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The End of Entropy
« on: February 02, 2012, 09:19:25 PM »
The End of Entropy:

A Look at Our Entropic World and the Evidence Supporting How We Could Change This


 by Amaterasu, 2010


Entropy…  That measure of disorder that increases as energy is dissipated into unusable forms effects many aspects of our present human condition.  It is easy to grasp the principle as it pertains directly to heat.  We see the energy of a fire heat our food, but we also can see a great deal of heat going out unused and unusable.  This extra heat can be seen as increasing the disorder, as the molecules affected move more rapidly and more disorderedly.  A more difficult aspect to see is the entropy inherent in our social structure.

In Jeremy Rifkin’s seminal work Entropy, published in 1980, he does an excellent job of demonstrating that, because energy is at the base of life, itself, entropy can ripple through society, creating disorder even as we try to clamp down and control the order of things.  In fact, he paints a very grim picture of what we can expect as we consume more and more energy, explaining that fascist tendencies are most likely to crop up in the efforts to overcome entropy in our society.  Today we see more and more signs of encroaching fascism.

The reason why energy and its entropy are tied in to our social structures is made clear by Rifkin in his work (p. 89):

…  Every time we add our labor to a product or perform a service we expend energy and increase the overall entropy of the environment.  Every time we exchange money for a product or a service, the legal tender we use represents payment for previous energy that we expend.  Money, after all, is nothing more than stored energy credits.

If money is merely the accounting of the available energy, it becomes clear that should an energy source come along that has the properties of being effectively infinite, available from anywhere, and negentropic (from “negative entropy”), the need for money dissipates.  “Infinite money” has no social application.

In fact, because of our limited available energy and the money system developed to account for it, it is clear why we have a “power” elite, as well as poverty and exploitation.  Rifkin explains (p. 57):

Energy is the basis of human culture, just as it is the basis of life.  Therefore, power in every society ultimately belongs to whoever controls the exosomatic [external] instruments that are used to transform, exchange, and discard energy.  Class divisions, exploitations, privilege, and poverty are all determined by how a society’s energy flow line is set up.  Those who control the exosomatic instruments control the energy flow line.  They determine how the work in society will be divided up and how the economic rewards will be allocated among various groups and constituencies.

Given this, it becomes clear that if such an infinite, available, negentropic source of energy were to be introduced, power over others would give way to individual autonomous power over self but no others.  This can be seen as a major shift in Consciousness on this planet.

This all sounds hypothetical, a waste of time to contemplate even, to the average individual who has been told that we are stuck with the many entropic sources of energy we presently use (which also are sources we have to pay for).  “Where is this miracle source?” they might ask.

And here is where I bring up the “Dark” Energy that is now heralded all over science shows about physics and cosmology.  This energy, which has been called “radiant energy” and “cosmic rays” (Tesla), “orgone” (Wilhelm Reich), “Zero Point Energy,” and many others, is pervading space.  It is within you and within me, around all of us, and is present anywhere we go.  Interestingly, though we are told of this energy (usually as “Dark” Energy), no mainstream media (MSM) outlet has asked the most logical question:  Can we extract this energy in usable form?

In fact, back in the 1950’s, the science of electrogravitics was being discussed openly in the aerospace literature, an industry that was studying electrogravitics at all the major players:  Lockheed, Convair, Lear, and many others.  The discussion vanished, it just wasn’t discussed anymore, despite the fact that so many companies had been drawn into the electrogravitics arena.  Reports were that, “They want it secret for now.”  Electrogravitics could draw on this energy and create overunity – free energy, in other words.  So why was this a threat?

The reasons for these occurrences – that the media never ask if we can draw on the Dark Energy, that electrogravitics became highly classified – become clear when we look at the fact that those presently in power would have to give up their power over others (having already power over themselves).  From the perspective of those few, they would “lose.”

Such an energy source would represent, at least, a virtually infinite source that is available to all.  Any attribution of a negentropic aspect comes from reports from a number of sources suggesting that cold, not heat, is the defining characteristic of drawing on this source.  These reports and the surrounding research and data have surely been suppressed – at least to the extent of not reporting on it and never, ever asking whether we can get something usable from “Dark” Energy.  It would be a naïve position at best to expect the present power elite to ignore and NOT suppress and disparage any efforts to develop this source in usable form.

And so, it would appear that we have had methods of extracting usable forms of energy from the “Dark” Energy pool, called the plenum (opposite of “vacuum,” from a root which means “empty” – “plenum” means “full”) for at least 100 years (Tesla seems to have developed such methods).  And we might conclude that the power elite wish to remain in their place of power over others, else they would have released the means to extract usable energy to the public.  (There is strong evidence of suppression of many “free” energy devices, from hydrogen-from-water devices through magnetic devices, as well as the Plenum Energy methods.)

The question now becomes, what would happen if we had this energy available to all of us?  The answer depends on how we, as a planetary society, approach the matter.

Since we’re examining society, it helps to understand that it moves and emerges in fractal expressions from a relatively small seed set of parameters. Up until now, the fractal seeds of all societies in history have included scarcity of energy (which is reflected in the scarcity of goods and money), and thus we see emerging greed, conspiracy, poverty, power elite, wage slavery and many other ills.  If we look for a seed that gives an overarching structure for a society’s development in the advent of having such a source of energy available, and take advantage of what media we can to raise awareness to the tipping point of the goals and precepts we define, the society that fractalizes out of that seed will be strong, healthy, and unrestrictive – provided the seed is geared to that end.

The key things that must be addressed are:

1. A code of conduct
2. Our approach to the Earth and how we bring forth the abundance she has to give
3. How open we will be on code and programs for our machines
4. How necessary work gets done
5. How we communicate and identify the primary issues
6. What focus in life should be stressed

If we seed our society with a code of conduct, calling to the fore the three Laws – which are:

1. Do not willfully harm or kill another Being
2. Do not willfully take or damage another Being’s property
3. Do not willfully defraud another Being

this sets one parameter of the seed to ethics.

If we insist that all farming be organic – in its true sense, and not some trumped up legal definition – our food will grow ever better.  If we insist that mining is done with a conscious awareness for retaining beauty and structure, our impact will be small and repairable.  If we insist that manufacturing be done such that it is free of pollutants, our planet will remain healthy and abundant.  If we are using the Plenum Energy, the energy we use will be clean (and fracture drilling, oil pumping, coal mining, rain forest clearing and other nasty behaviors and consequences associated with petrofuels will be eliminated).  If we set this parameter of the seed with the drive to be thoughtful of our planet, our planet will thrive.

If we demand open-source in all technology, we remove fears of machines “taking over.”  Code can be looked at, published on the web – and better code will be worked out by those whose bliss it is to program things.  A distrust of proprietary code (or any other hidden thing) should be promoted.  Such a setting in this parameter of the seed will bring forth the best we can create.

By creating robots to do all the necessary work no one (or not enough people) wants to, we release ourselves to do what we enjoy – we are released from slavery, having cast it off onto our machines.  This seed parameter is one only now available to humanity.  Never before in our history have we had the option to create mechanical slaves for every “dirty job.”  Therefore, it, along with the addition of a negentropic energy source, will provide a frame for unique emergence, a new societal framework, a new consciousness.

With a central website, in forum style, to address major issues – divided into local sections, regional sections and global sections, with “votes” at a certain level elevating the problems and solutions to the next level to be voted on by a greater number – we can collectively and stigmergically coordinate to solve the issues of this planet.  Social responsibility will be seen as spending 15 minutes a day (or more) reviewing the issues on this site.  This seed parameter will see an emergence of human unity as a race and as a planet.  (For a definition of stigmergy, please see http://journal.media-culture.org.au/0605/03-elliott.php )

Setting a focus of fulfilling one’s own bliss, exchanging the “work ethic” for a Betterment Ethic, will see very much happier people, and far better results of efforts made – a job is done far better by someone who loves to do it than by one who feels compelled against their main desire.  No job will be required to live well, but any job one wants to do is open to be done.  I quote again from Rifkin’s Entropy (p. 210) to illustrate the differences between the scarcity paradigm and the new abundance paradigm, as it relates to work:

… [T]he authoritarian structure of the workplace robs the individual worker of a chance to join in a community with his fellows to make decisions and develop his talents.  Unable to join with others to explore his potential and creativity, the individual is forced to retreat into a shell in which he has neither meaningful rights nor responsibilities at his work.  All he is left with is a job, a place to make money, and a degrading environment to which he must submit, eight hours of every day.

Thus we can see how a seed parameter of encouraging one to follow one’s bliss – since in this new paradigm one can – uplifts each one of us and increases the value of consciousness in society.

Having described the seed, how might it be expected to manifest?  One of the first products that is likely to be seen are “power boxes,” which will be sold, initially.  These would be units that had a mechanism to draw on the Plenum Energy and outlets to plug in our air conditioners, stoves, heaters, refrigerators, freezers, and so forth.  This would allow us to move anywhere and bring our comfort items with us.  We could “go camping” and still have our amenities, and many will.  Eventually these items will each have their own units within.

As the cost of energy is removed from the production line at every stage, things will become less and less expensive, and at some point, will be given freely.

Other observables will include:

  • Money falling into disuse
  • Motivation from the heart as opposed to profit
  • “Greed” becomes meaningless
  • Peace
  • Abundance for everyone
  • Elimination of corruption
  • Power over others supplanted by power over self
  • Elimination of GMO’s
  • Great reduction in violence
  • Creative pursuits increased greatly
  • A healed planet
  • Reduced or eliminated hoarding
  • Value placed on human-created art, textiles and products
  • Focus on cures, not patentable chemicals that sicken for profit motive
  • Human interaction with only those whose company is enjoyable (reduced social friction)
  • Robotic stewardship of the planet
  • Increased love and compassion
  • Greatly reduced stress
  • Wondrous works
  • “Live and let live” behavior
  • Most “laws” become unnecessary
  • Corporate power eliminated
  • Products made to last – no “planned obsolescence”
  • Waste reduced to virtually nil
  • Food nutrition increased for all
  • One’s reputation becomes the “coin” one uses
  • Personal responsibility for one’s own behavior
  • Spiritual growth
  • Slavery (outright or wage-slavery) abolished
  • Human dignity encouraged
  • Increase in charitable behavior
  • Self autonomy
  • Things are done because someone cares – from raising children to caring for others


From this list, it is clear that many issues we now face will be solved.  Wealth will be measured in richness of character, rather than in deposits to a bank account.  And we will spend our time doing what we like to do, being with the people we like and share interests with.  Inventions, rather than being suppressed, will burgeon, and the “Star Trek universe” may be within our grasp, with things like transporters and replicators emerging.

And spiritual growth and communication will be encouraged as we find a greater amount of our time available to pursue the exploration of our inner dimension.

And though this is not a solution to every issue arising from human interaction – we will always have our personal disagreements – the overall health of society will skyrocket.  Yes, we may still argue with others over the smaller issues in our lives, and some may choose to behave violently, but the numbers of occurrences will drop to a level we would consider statistically insignificant.  Definitely a vast improvement over what we see today.

When you consider what I present here, ask yourself these questions:

Does this threaten a pet vision – passing laws, say, to solve a problem you see, or a view of striking it rich – that you have of your future?  Does this scare you?  Do you look for reasons that it won’t work?  (All you envision as barrier issues – are scarcity paradigm views…)

Then ask yourself why working towards what I present here won’t solve the issue you want to solve, why you wouldn’t be rich in what I show to you, why it wouldn’t fulfill your idea of heaven, why you are afraid, and/or why you look for reasons it won’t work – rather than apply the proactive will to make this happen.

If we each choose to create this, since we have all it would take, consciously co-creating towards this goal, what I present would happen.  It would take enough of us reaching a tipping point before it would all be downhill, and you may choose your future behavior.  Speak for abundance, or reduce the chances that this will ever happen by keeping silent.

In closing, I recommend any who work for someone else and also are privy to information (such as methods of extracting usable energy from the plenum) give strong consideration to coming forth with what is known.  In the end, you and all of us will be better off – and even today’s power elite will retain their life style, if not their power over us.

 

Further reading:

The Abundance Paradigm, by Amaterasu
http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/aad67f70b7b43ddc.pdf

Another Letter from the Future, by Amaterasu
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread491053/pg1

Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion, by Dr. Paul A. LaViolette
http://www.scribd.com/doc/47447158/secrets-of-antigravity-propulsion-pdf-november-11-2010-11-21-pm-28-7-meg
 

To sign a petition for the release of electrogravitics technology:
http://www.change.org/petitions/us-military-release-the-technology-of-electrogravitics
« Last Edit: July 23, 2012, 01:15:42 PM by Amaterasu »
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Re: The End of Entropy
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2012, 10:38:38 PM »
Amaterasu,

Your post is masterful and enormous and kind of like the Elephant in the room.... its easy to know its there.... but since I don't know very much about the other elements of your Elephant I am going to address the parts that I DO know.... You said here

"In fact, back in the 1950’s, the science of electrogravitics was being discussed openly in the aerospace literature, an industry that was studying electrogravitics at all the major players:  Lockheed, Convair, Lear, and many others.  The discussion vanished, it just wasn’t discussed anymore, despite the fact that so many companies had been drawn into the electrogravitics arena.  Reports were that, “They want it secret for now.”  Electrogravitics could draw on this energy and create overunity – free energy, in other words.  So why was this a threat?

Thats an excellent question. WHY? Most answers were that there were greedy people out there who wanted the developments for themselves..... but what if that was far from the truth?

The report was....THEY want it secret for now. For a later discussion it might be interesting to figure out who " THEY" was.

Why was it a threat? Because devices can be made from this technology that would make earlier atomic devices pale by comparison. You I know will immediately ask me how I know this and how I can back it up. Well I can....

Are you familiar with the word " Electrohydrodynamics" Its the sort of " kissing cousin " to Electrogravitics.... many of my Dads devices in the " white world" were based on " Electrohydrodynamics"  Take, for example, the fan that some of you have come to know as the " Ionic Breeze" if you search the "prior art" patents for that device you will find my Dads name. In fact he "handed the fan off" to Jim Lee, the man who licensed it finally to " Sharper Image" ( which of course bragged that it was revolutionary technology developed in their lab which was a common marketing falsehood. Perfectly good.... a boon to those with alergiesm totally silent.

But to go on. There was something else that was developed. If you all will bother to Google Electrohydrodynamics and "Pineapple B#mb" you will find some interesting material. That was something Dad never wanted to see the light of day but of course it has been used. I don't agree with all of the stories but enough of them are probably true. The CIA had a very good time with that particular " device".

I know personally some who were instrumental in developing the " art" around that particular thing. And they wanted it covered too......unfortunately there were others who took it forward. A very dangerous device.

And that was only ONE example of why some of these men decided to " sit on"  electrogravitation. We may also decide the same thing Amaterasu! You can't assume that a wonderful technology that would be a boon to so many of us wouldn't also be this worlds greatest nightmare. You need to see the whole package!

Why would it be kept secret? Perhaps some men and women along its development decided that was the most honorable thing to do.....and here we are talking about it again. I think that there are the same quality people here.

Before you open a brand new technology you need to know what it will mean in the distant future not just the immediate gratification of having our power worries taken away. Lets talk about this some more.

Those out there who happen to know more about the possibilities of weapons and such things as the EHD " Pineapple B#mb"  Of course you realize why I change that word..... we will probably get ENOUGH attention here by various intelligence agencies. Why spell it out for them!

Lets talk about the other side of all that good.  Linda Brown
« Last Edit: February 02, 2012, 10:46:28 PM by Linda Brown »

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Re: The End of Entropy
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2012, 11:20:50 PM »
I was not aware of this device.  Still...

If We are all freed from this crazy, power-over-Others, oppression-filled life to a one of abundance...  Why would anyOne create such a thing?  What would be Their motivation?

If free energy from the other sources - and I know there are other methods out there - were made available, where is the problem but that the present power elite will lose Their power over others.  And frankly, what I have read so far does not much rival TNT in large amounts. 

(I have a friend who worked for an inventor a number of years ago, helping Him set up demonstrations of a machine that drew power from the earth's magnetic field.  One day the FBI came in and took all the inventor's stuff and arrested the inventor for, get this, PATENT INFRINGEMENT!  I believe that inventor is still in jail!  So...  If there is a patent, where is this technology?)

Now, I was informed that someOne suggested some tech that could blow the solar system up, but the cute li'l device You led Me to does not seem to be that at all.  It seems to be nasty, yes.  But why keep Humanity enslaved, impoverished, starving, desperate over it.  I just don't get it.

I guess I don't expect there will be no issues with such things, but I do believe We'll get past that stage.  I do believe Humans who are free, fed healthy food, with option to live at any level of "richness" They choose, will have no motive to do dastardly things.  All They will accomplish is to become pariah amongst those remaining.

Locked comfortably up.  Able to live richly with no One to do anything bad to.

It makes no sense whatsoever to Me.
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Re: The End of Entropy
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2012, 12:01:52 AM »
Hi Ameterasu

you said
"Now, I was informed that someOne suggested some tech that could blow the solar system up, but the cute li'l device You led Me to does not seem to be that at all.  It seems to be nasty, yes.  But why keep Humanity enslaved, impoverished, starving, desperate over it.  I just don't get it.



Generally I do not see EVERYONE enslaved, impoverished starving and desperate. Too many are, indeed ..... but my impression is that most people on earth live, love, raise their families, endure hardships and go about the business of living their lives under whatever leadership and influences they happen to be born into.

Would you change that ....... in exchange for mass extinction? Or warfare that would go WAY beyond that poor military phrase " acceptable civilian collateral?" What I am pointing to is no simple little nasty thing. What you saw there was just a tactical device for urban warfare......

I know that you have been talking about all of the good that the " technology" can do but you have no concept, I believe, of the horrors of the other side of it.

 I understand that. You did not need to know such things. I believe that your Dad told you what he did because he wanted you to have a banner which would become important to you. in the future.  If your Dad did know about the devices.... would he have told you? I don't believe so. You were just a child and no one wants to saddle a child with those kinds of visions.

So maybe were not looking at the same thing. "And frankly, what I have read so far does not much rival TNT in large amounts.'  maybe we were seeing things differently...... I hope some that someone more familiar with that EHD technology can join us here maybe...and explain things better.

Possibly Zorgon can give us a different thread so that you can continue your discussions here. I feel that I am being a wet blanket here and I am sorry about that.

Linda Brown

 


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Re: The End of Entropy
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2012, 12:42:10 AM »
Amaterasu and Linda!

Both of you might like to read this book:

Secrets of Cold War Technology: Project Haarp and Beyond (Gerry Vassilatos)
http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Cold-War-Technology-Project/dp/0932813801

Or maybe:

http://www.avaxhome.ws/ebooks/0932813801.html ;)

There you will find out that Atomic Weapons are obsolete and have been replaced by Gamma Ray Beam Weapons (I won't go into their construction: read the book).

In the book there is an interesting history of the WHO you asked about before: It seems that a Hidden Elite originally controlled all the Advanced Weaponry up until the Atomic Age. During this era the control of Atomic Weapons was wrested away from them by the Military/Industrial Sector and they have controlled it ever since. The Elite have been plotting to wrest the control back and it is now Them  who control this new weaponry.

Have a read and it may answer some of your deepest questions in regards to your father's work.  :)
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2012, 06:06:53 AM »
This message is in reply to a PM that I got with a link back to a discussion about a book by Gerry Vassilatos with the suggestion that I read it and maybe that would answer some of my questions! Thanks Starwarp but BOY! I wish that was true!!!! My life would be a WHOLE LOT simpler... but thanks for the attempt to help me out anyway!!!!!


Thank you for your reply to my questions. I am familiar with Mr. Vassilatos....... but unfortunately.... his books just propose an outline and in no way explain my Dads work. I am sorry to disappoint you because I see that you have great faith in the mans words.

"In the book there is an interesting history of the WHO you asked about before: It seems that a Hidden Elite originally controlled all the Advanced Weaponry up until the Atomic Age. During this era the control of Atomic Weapons was wrested away from them by the Military/Industrial Sector and they have controlled it ever since. The Elite have been plotting to wrest the control back and it is now Them  who control this new weaponry.

I do not dispute your "Hidden Elite". And it may be that my dispute with Mr. Vassilatos may come because he was asked to put various misinformation about my Dad out there. That sometimes happens..... but in the book " Lost Science" published in 1999 Gerry quotes this simple statement which entirely blew his credibility for me...." Dr. Thomas Townsend Brown loved warm and sunny climates ( SO TRUE) spending the remainder of his life in Umatillo Florida.  (NOT TRUE.)  How can you take a biographers account seriously when he does not even choose to write properly where his subject died.

But then maybe that was just a marker on the trail he knew we would someday pick up.

You are right. There are some hauntingly accurate accounts of my Dads thoughts in that account. I asked myself over and over.... who would have leaked this information to this man ( you will note that Mr. Vassilastos is exceptionally difficult to reach in person) I came to my own personal conviction that he got much of his " insider" information from a man named " Beau" Kitselman.... A. L. Kitselman.... my Dads very best friend and long time associate. Why would Beau sponsor a plan of disinformation like this? Because it was part of a very elegantly drawn up and multiyear plan.

Beau was the source of the information that my Dad left the Navy because of " mental strain" ...." after a "failed experiment in Philadelphia in the fall of 1943. " Going home to rest and having his detachment from the Navy soon following"... those were the words that Beau himself chose to print in 1962: Beau was responsible for that little bit of mis information.* A little yellow book,  named "Hello Stupid" where he supplies the information that later William Moore took almost word for word.

 Actually just weeks after he resigned from the Navy in the fall of 1942..... ( note the date because it does not jibe with what William Moore claimed in The Philadelphia Experiment" yet I can prove this beyond a shadow.) Dad was on the road to report to a highly secret project at Vega Aircraft in Burbank California.  And who was there waiting to work with him.... in a totally black project? " Beau"

What I am trying to point out here is that your excitement about the words that you have taken to heart needs to be brought with you on a new quest. Because the words that you took so seriously were not entirely true. They served a purpose to delay REAL knowledge from being released. Its my opinion that the time for that is fast approaching.

Of course....there is room for error on my part. I can only go from the solid path that I can prove.... the rest of it falls into the deepest darkest rabbit hole ever known.

   Thanks for trying to point me in the right direction but.... you see.... I have already been there and back again!   Linda Brown
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Re: The End of Entropy
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2012, 11:48:44 AM »
Given that most of Us live in poverty (statistically ALL of Us), with few choices, and many dying of disease and starvation...  Given that cures are suppressed as intensely as electrogravitics for profit, leaving Us sick and dying unnecessarily...  Given that Our food supply is being taken over and degraded, made toxic, even, for profit...  Given that none of Us (statistically) may follow Our bliss but must work to enrich the few...  Given that We hunt, prosecute and imprison millions because a natural plant is "illegal" so it will not threaten profits...  Given that Our water tables are being poisoned for the purpose of extracting natural gas (fracking) for profit...  Given that Our water is is also poisoned for a two-fold purpose: to make Us placid and compliant, and to sell the poison to municipal water suppliers for profit...

Given the extreme role of profit in the illness, death and misery We endure, releasing the ability to extract free energy and eliminating the need for money on this planet is a solution to virtually ALL Our problems.

Humanity as a whole is a loving, giving species of Being, enslaved and caught in the ill-fitting yoke of a money system necessary only in an energy-scarce society.  We are enslaved by it.  We are left to suffer and die because of it.  Money promotes the LOVE of money/power, which is the root of all evil.

Most go through this life accepting Their struggle, not seeing it is unnecessary.  That's all They know because, for money/power, They are allowed to see nothing else.

And so...  Overunity is suppressed, ridiculed, hidden.  The battle then is to spread awareness.  It is a war of information, and the casualties are those who die of starvation, who are "cured" (or are sold a "cure") by things that are expensive and don't actually cure, who are dying from deadly "food," who work Themselves to death, who are marginalized for using an herb and left unemployable, who have no clean water to drink and use.

If enough of Us become aware that the solution IS available, We will demand it, and the only casualty will be power over others.

It won't take materially from these power elite.  It will only give materially to all the rest of Us.  The fears of someOne "blowing the planet up" are overrated and, I suspect, given to ensure a continuance of Their power over Us.
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Re: The End of Entropy
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2012, 12:21:03 PM »
I respect your passion for what you are saying but your long list of " givens" are not something that I can accept. Seems to paint you into a very strident frame of mind that might not be necessary.
You say
Given that most of Us live in poverty (statistically ALL of Us), I am not sure where your figures are coming from and I am not sure at what mark you place " poverty".

Given that cures are suppressed as intensely as electrogravitics for profit, .... again I know that where there is a drive for profit we have all seen that kind of action but thats not EVERYTHING.... is it , to you?
Given that Our food supply is being taken over and degraded, made toxic, even, for profit....

 when you say that in such a blanket statement you ignor all of the advances that our agriculture has made and the enormous production levels that have been attained....yes there are problems.... but again thats too much of a blanket all inclusive statement for me...

I think that you can see my point here.... I am basically saying.....I don't have the same point of view at all...
Most go through this life accepting Their struggle, not seeing it is unnecessary.  That's all They know because, for money/power, They are allowed to see nothing else.I see what you are trying to say but again I think much is up to the individual to become wise enough to know for themselves that this is happening.  The chains that you mention are self made and self accepted. I am sure that you see it differently.

Animals have a guideline for existance that could seem terribly cruel... more cruel even than our societies.... in the sense that you mention above. They HAVE to hunt or GRAZE or whatever they do to survive.... thats their responsibility to themselves and their young.

 We have far more freedom than most wild animals. I am not sure that we are entitled to less responsibily than even the sparrow has to deal with.

It would be nice if we were deserving of less stress in our lives but I am not sure that we are!

If you did not have to deal with finances and were fortunate enough to live out in the woods by yourself or with your family. No money no bartering with neighbors..... no economic system to blame. What would your life be like then? Its a serious question Amaterus and I wonder if you would mind taking a moment to consider it.

Meanwhile I am still back on my particular kick of the negative sides to these EG and EHD techologies.... I don't want to go there here because it would pull focus from your discussion and what you have to say is important....

So Zorgon would it be alright to have a separate topic?

Thanks both,   Linda


 

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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2012, 01:18:26 PM »
Linda,

I don't mean to suggest that there are no efforts to fight the status quo.  Surely there are.  But they are not funded well, and Monsanto, Pfizer, BP, Haliburton, et al have plenty to spend, getting approvals for what They're doing and winning cases (like suing farmers over patents Whose fields were contaminated with pollen blown by the wind).

As for poverty, I count any who live paycheck to paycheck with virtually nothing for entertainment or leisure, I count all of Humanity such as vast numbers dying in third world countries, I count all those who cannot afford organic food, I count the homeless, the jobless, the Ones on food stamps.

Cancer has a number of cures - from cannabis to 714X to Rifeian approaches.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm

A long read but well worth the time spent.

More on free energy:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/journey.htm
http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm
http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm
http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm

Lots of good information.

About fluoridation:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/fluoride.htm

It's all a racket, and We are the victims.

It's really difficult for the starving child to "become wise enough to know for themselves that this is happening."  It is difficult for Those who have no time for researching to become aware.  They are too busy trying to make ends meet, working two and three jobs, perhaps, or caring for Their families...  All They know is what's fed to Them by interests that are not interested in Them but in profit and control.  We, who HAVE had time or been gifted with knowledge, cannot throw responsibility onto Them.  It is Our responsibility to aid Them in any way We can.

As for living in the woods...  Would this include unlimited access to energy or not?  I would be quite happy if it did.  I would be struggling and energy-deficient if not.

And I still contend that the "negative sides to these EG and EHD techologies" are used to play on fears so that We DON'T step up and push for Human freedom from the money/power/energy interests.  THAT would match Their MO perfectly.
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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2012, 01:39:01 PM »
Personally I agree with both of you. With Foresight and Wisdom, we can solve these problems. Balance must always be maintained, and right now the balance is skewed.

I've lived the Rich life, Poor life and inbetween, so I see the fence and both sides of the fence. It will take careful delicate planning and small changes to specific things. If we solve the small problems, the bigger problems will be fixed. Too much change all at once, positive or negative will not bring balance, but instead the opposite.

Once balance is restored, even the sparrows will have a better existence - as things are now, the sparrows may not exist at all within a relatively short time period because of humankinds refusal to admit their own wrong doing's. We are our own worst enemy at times.

Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and idea's, because silence is not going to fix our problems. All the words of humankind together create the best possible solution.

Let your voice be heard not as a whisper in fear, but as a being created into existence by Creation itself.

Fearing to speak will be the end of us all, just as speaking aloud will be our salvation.
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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2012, 01:46:30 PM »
Amaterasu,
 You make excellent points. I suppose that while being faced nearly my entire life with things that you say are " given" I have always seen another side to all of that. Some have called me a diehard optimist and perhaps they are absolutely right. Perhaps in the end that optimism for the future will not be proved correct. Its just a frame of mind I find difficult to abandon in exchange for a point of view which may actually be much more rational.

We are all windchimes reacting with different music perhaps to the same breeze!

Who was it who said that an " idea" was what could change the world, in fact it was the only thing that could. I suggest that the world can in fact be changed for the better. And money isn't the only power in the world. In fact ( here I go again) I think it actually is a false power at the end of things.... but thats me.

I know that money can not buy happiness but at least it buys most of us the freedom to do the things that we would prefer doing. But within that framework we all have choices. We don't HAXE tio slave at a job we hate. We don't have to be saddled with new car payments and mortgages on McMansions. We choose to look to those material things and become enslaved by them.

I agree with your comment on children. They deserve protection and they don't always have any choices at all....

 Children also have alot more fun sometimes with the box that an expensive gift came in rather than the gift itself. What do they call that " childlike symplicity?"

We dont have to be slaves to the materialistic world around us.... but you are right.... many of us are brainwashed into that. Small changes could make enormous differences. All is not lost.  But thats just me :)

Your answer here puzzles me....."As for living in the woods...  Would this include unlimited access to energy or not?  I would be quite happy if it did.  I would be struggling and energy-deficient if not.

I mean no "unlimited access to power or other niceties. I need to tell you that you would work every moment of the daylight hours to provide for yourself. If you were not hunting or fishing or tending your garden and your animals you would be cutting wood for the winter that comes too quickly... so who is " freer" that woman in the log cabin.... or the lady who works eight hours, stops at the market, buys food, comes home, flips on the lights and the new tv and settles down for an evening at home?  Its worth thinking a little bit about.

And Dave is absolutely right....
Fearing to speak will be the end of us all, just as speaking aloud will be our salvation.

Me.... I would take the cabin..... and probably go silent.... but the time for that is not now...  Linda

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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2012, 02:26:13 PM »
Thank You, Dave, for Your comments and "bipartisan" support.  [smile]

Linda, I contend that removing the need for money will, in the end, remove Us from materialistic concerns.  Because of the profit motive, We are sold the idea that We "need" the status symbol of a car or a house or whatever.  Without profit as a motive, honest information will flow, We will see no efforts to sell anything, and We will not be so focused (or pushed to focus) on the material.

I am quite the optimist, but I also acknowledge the evidence of Those in this world who would control Humanity to Their own evil ends.  The fact that there was no hew and cry in the media (MSM) of the NDAA being unconstitutional - as clearly unconstitutional as any legislation I have ever seen - is but one small clue of the power They wield.  And shows too clearly the path They are trying to drag the rest of Us on.

They "boil the frog."  Step by step, They try to add more and more control to Their power.  SOPA failed only because They overestimated the degree of power They presently hold.  Of course, They will take it more slowly now and in the end - if We are not successful in wresting power from Them through the spread of information about overunity - They will control the Interweb, and conversations like this will be gone.

I asked the question about living in the woods with/without abundant energy because it wasn't clear whether such energy was an option.  In Your answer, You propose the primitive scenario.  I agree that if I was thrust back to such primitive an existence, I would spend My Human energy on survival.

If I could have the energy and the appliances and all those comforts We now have, I would be deliriously happy.  I could survive and still have Human energy left over to read, write, create art, create games, play and so forth.

You are right in saying One does not have to work at a job One hates...  But when there are no jobs available doing what One loves, the choice becomes not doing the job One hates and choosing homelessness, hunger and abject poverty.  And perhaps I should include jobs that, if not hated, are merely means to the end of putting food on the table, spending One's Human energy/time on this planet not in bliss, but cranking out product to enrich the few.  So many dreams die in this process.  I would give All the chance to do what truly makes Them happy.  It has high value to Consciousness.

I would point out that, though children will have more fun with a box something came in than with the item itself, for all those many children who live each day with hunger and disease, receiving something in a box would be a miracle, and in starving and sickness little fun is had at all.

Though money is not the only power in the world, it far outstrips others - except the power of information.  That is why Jay Rockefeller said that the most dangerous thing to Their plans is the Interweb.  And to be sure, money is being spent to clamp control onto any information sharing available.

Remove money and information will flow freely.
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« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2012, 12:46:58 PM »
Amy... I had to take a moment to read over your material here.... and I notice that your vision of the 'Electrogravitic" technology is a little black box that could be " plugged in"  Available to everyone.... just plug in....households? Campers even.... just plug in your little black box.  Its my dream to have a pumping station for fresh water that could be just " plugged in" and walked away from... never having to worry about breakdowns or maintenance.

I have a very simple question for you which needs answering.  Who is going to build the first one?

You assume here that when " electro-gravitics" went black that it took the possibility of " the black box with it"..... Do you think that .... despite all of your heartfelt petitions... do you think that there is a possibility that they would release their own particular version of " black boxes?"  First of all.... you assume that the Government has this technology. What makes you think that? Just because something disappears from view it does not automatically mean that Governments are at the heart or control of that move.

Just think what it would mean..... we could IMMEADIATELY tell alot of the oil producing countries.... thank you very much...we are not interested any more in your product or in messing with your soverignty.... our men do not need to be there........ since its no skin off our nose.... here are a few thousand " little black boxes" for your countrymen.

If the "government" ( ANY Government) had this ability I just have no idea why they would not have already started showing it.... or .... have they????

Consider that there is something else here that you haven't seen.... something worth protecting.... that you don't know about yet.... because if there WASN't it makes no sense that this technology would not have already blossomed.  We have since the 50s known about it, right?

 And saying that " greedy men" have kept a lid on this just will not wash through the first cycle. " Greedy men" will see all kinds of other ways to enrich themselves.....and just as many would push the technology as try to hide it.

I submit that there is something else going on here. Something BIG and so far undisclosed.  WHAT and Why?

Linda

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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2012, 02:03:55 PM »
Amy... I had to take a moment to read over your material here.... and I notice that your vision of the 'Electrogravitic" technology is a little black box that could be " plugged in"  Available to everyone.... just plug in....households? Campers even.... just plug in your little black box.  Its my dream to have a pumping station for fresh water that could be just " plugged in" and walked away from... never having to worry about breakdowns or maintenance.

I had visions of Dean Kamen's water purification device connected to free energy...  Clean water anywhere there is water at all.

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I have a very simple question for you which needs answering.  Who is going to build the first one?

I have no clue, but I can assure You that when free energy makes its debut in the world at large, SOME company(ies) will realize They can make rump-loads of money in the short term.  And We could even move to have government subsidy of such development...  The pivotal moment will be that revealing.

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You assume here that when " electro-gravitics" went black that it took the possibility of " the black box with it"..... Do you think that .... despite all of your heartfelt petitions... do you think that there is a possibility that they would release their own particular version of " black boxes?"  First of all.... you assume that the Government has this technology. What makes you think that? Just because something disappears from view it does not automatically mean that Governments are at the heart or control of that move.

I presume They have this tech because My father told Me They (He and Others) succeeded in obtaining overunity.  It would seem to Me that They would further that end of the tech so as to provide energy for black projects with no utility trail to Their doings.  And surely SOME part of the government is (or was) in control - elsewise, who would have the power to make it secret?  It is (or was) most likely the military.  And now may be DHS or some such.  Point is...  It's SOMEWHERE in the governmental labyrinth.

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Just think what it would mean..... we could IMMEADIATELY tell alot of the oil producing countries.... thank you very much...we are not interested any more in your product or in messing with your soverignty.... our men do not need to be there........ since its no skin off our nose.... here are a few thousand " little black boxes" for your countrymen.

Sure, We could.  And more or less that's what We're likely to do.  But I think it will be a little more gradual a thing, simply because We have cars that run on petro-fuel, and it will be a while to retrofit and/or build new cars.

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If the "government" ( ANY Government) had this ability I just have no idea why they would not have already started showing it.... or .... have they????

Because all the countries that have it are controlled by the Bankers (money changers) who are VERY keen to keep money control of Us.  They will NOT let it out in the public unless enough of Us are aware and demand it.

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Consider that there is something else here that you haven't seen.... something worth protecting.... that you don't know about yet.... because if there WASN't it makes no sense that this technology would not have already blossomed.  We have since the 50s known about it, right?

What most is worth protecting, I think, is the money system itself.  No.  I think the tech has been suppressed (and every other overunity tech) specifically to protect the money system.  They don't want to lose Their power over Us because it ends Their plans, Agenda 21 comes to mind, which have been in the works for decades, if not generations.  As the CFR itself has said that all money is is a representation of meaningful energy expended...THEY know what free energy will do to Their control They enjoy though the money system.

Sure, They may have evil advances, but that tech does not need to be revealed.  Just the overunity.

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And saying that " greedy men" have kept a lid on this just will not wash through the first cycle. " Greedy men" will see all kinds of other ways to enrich themselves.....and just as many would push the technology as try to hide it.

Except...  If One is greedy AND understands that intimate link between money and energy, One will NOT go for the short-term profit, only to lose any advantage One has when the need for money dissipates in the longer run.

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I submit that there is something else going on here. Something BIG and so far undisclosed.  WHAT and Why?

And I submit the BIGGEST threat to Their control over Us is free energy.  As I said, They may also hide devastating tech - stuff that would take out solar systems, even - but that is not why They hide free energy.  They hide it because it would end the plans for a New World Order, with most of Us dead and the rest enslaved and completely controlled.
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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2012, 02:20:29 PM »
Amatarasu,

There is no "ENERGY"
There is resistance.
With boundless respect.....
Think of what it is You desire???????
You have been indoctrinated to think in terms of energy.
NOBODY can find it.....thats because it doesn't exist.


This thinking locks You into a control box, which they have the key to.


Your "ENERGY" is explosive.
I suspect that which You desire is implosive.
It is therefore not "ENERGY"
The fault is in the difference between creation and anihilation.
Both operate by means of transmutation.
Present energy destroys creation, explodes past creation, it's the wrong way around.

That which You desire is implosion, and luckily it out numbers explosion.

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