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Re: IMMACULATE DECEPTION - John Lear
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2017, 06:12:21 PM »
Interesting story.

Following your link now, Pimander. Thank you. :)
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Re: IMMACULATE DECEPTION - John Lear
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2017, 06:41:08 PM »
I found the episode, (waited forever), very strange indeed. Very little about John I found and most of it, Damien with all the guns was curiously weird. Hopefully the next episode will have more about John and his story. And maybe we won't have to wait two years for episode two like we did for episode one. We'll see. I really hope it's a success. For John's sake.
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Re: IMMACULATE DECEPTION - John Lear
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2017, 09:04:04 PM »
Sleeper's material is interesting, but I confess I'm skeptical. It has some elements that, in my experience, cannot be denied. In other ways it reads like bad fiction.

That being said, I'm not here to offend other members with my take on it. It seems like sort of a soft porn fantasy with just enough real content to set the hook.

I know I'll be blown out of the water now as one of the rookies here so, as Kent said in "Real Genius", "Let me have it!"

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Re: IMMACULATE DECEPTION - John Lear
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2017, 09:07:45 PM »
Okay, I searched over at Spookz and got hits. Is there any place else to access this person's material?

I have the entire 300+ page of sleepers thread art ATS in PDF  Somewhere :P I haven't accessed it in some time

SLEEPER is Lou Baldin

He has his own website here
http://www.ufolou.com/

And is on facebook here
https://www.facebook.com/lou.baldin

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Re: IMMACULATE DECEPTION - John Lear
« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2017, 09:16:02 PM »
Sleeper's material is interesting, but I confess I'm skeptical. It has some elements that, in my experience, cannot be denied. In other ways it reads like bad fiction.

THIS is the problem I am having with ALL the people involved in the UFO Alien field  A certain portion absolute truth, some on the fence maybe, and some utter BS   

I was told this is to keep away the spooks  You can always claim you are crazy  and it is up to us to sort it

Problem is when I 'sort it' and pronounce an item to be fake or debunk a UFO as a balloon I become the bad guy.

before at ATS I used to just create my post (or web page) with all the data I could find on an item, let the viewer decide


But then I started deeper research and found a lot of it to be fake so what do I do? It's a quandry... because if I do the former I lose people and interest and get called a debunker.  They don't want their belief shattered with reality. And if I do the latter, am i selling my soul?

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Re: IMMACULATE DECEPTION - John Lear
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2017, 09:24:14 PM »
Hey, that was almost painless.  :P

I think you've followed the right strategy, the Fox News strategy - "We report. You decide."

That's really all you can do, offer the data received along with your arguments and opinions.

I'm a stubborn cuss because I've been dealing with this since I was a child. I confess Sleeper's somewhat "slangy" vernacular diminished his account, but I'm always open to changing my opinion if convinced by a solid argument.

Incidentally, the only way I know I've been taken is when, usually in the wee hours, I am, literally, slammed down in my bed. The room shakes. It's a violent way to wake up. One time a picture actually fell off the wall.

I just get up and make coffee. No matter what time it is, I'm not getting back to sleep.
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Re: IMMACULATE DECEPTION - John Lear
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2017, 11:07:31 PM »


We can agree, disagree, believe, not believe what ever, no one has a gun to their head. For a 3rd party to be held responsible for what some- else said or wrote is just plain silly. But, it seems the way of the World.  :o

Eventually on a personal note I just don't put my  "experiences" out there any more, don't need the hassle  or attention and also have developed Relationships with people just like me that are safe to "blab" my brains out, so I can understand what has happened to me, since I'm the one ,that has the need to know and it is not so lonely.

If ,on occasion if I get carried away, just saying, I'm a" UFO nut" works strangely well. My point is always be true to yourself. It works best. :)

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Re: IMMACULATE DECEPTION - John Lear
« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2017, 02:22:58 AM »
I'd say he is a bit of both. ;)

When i first came to ATS on that Stargate chase... I thought John was an absolute fruit cake :P... but I did something few people do... I listened and checked on some things he was saying that sounded at least interesting...  and I found those things led me to many doors...

When I finally met him, I learned that John has a factual mode and a story  teller mode.  When you see him in person it becomes very easy to know which mode he is in...

A NAVY guy at ATS once told me that they are allowed to discuss secret stuff going on as long as 1) They are not 'read in' to that specific project (but have inside knowledge from others and 2) they talk about it only in a fictitional sense.

The reason for this is because it is impossible to not say something to someone at some point... so they have been allowed a sort of 'escape clause' to vent in the form of a fictitional story... and that is easier to do than maintain absolute silence

So you will get stories that sound good but cannot be proven or vetted  and usually the story teller will say something like... "You are an intelligent person, you can read between the lines"  At that point you KNOW you have just been made privy to some secret... and its on you to figure out the gaps

I have heard many such stories since I met John and have found many contacts that appeared out of the blue dropping hints without actually telling me anything. Sometimes a simple word, or a point in the right direction is all it takes

My very first letter from Dr Joe Resnick included this snippet:

And yes, I've worked on/with HAARP.  If you want to learn more about that see US Patent #xxxxx  If you read the patent you'll understand the relevance to HAARP and the Stealth Bombers, etc. You're an intelligent man and I'm certain that you'll be able to make the connection.  If you read US Patent xxxxx, you'll understand (a little better) my connection to/with and collaboration with these men.

LOL...suffice it to say that the 'Predator' (as in the movie) is alive/living at Los Alamos!


Note on context:  He did not mean that the Alien was there... just the technolgy that the Predator had

So since then I pay very little heed to debunkers. It is easy to nay say and debunk, but if you don't have the facts in hand are you a debunker or a fool that has no clue?

Considering the sheer number of such contacts and the level that some of these people are in the government and military, I have to choose to believe they are the real deal, especially when those tips and leads DO lead me to REAL dot mil sites with real documents

In the old days of UFOlogy the government didn't try to portray whistle blowers as UFO nuts :P They simply arranges a fatal 'accident'

They found it simpler to just make them seem crazy than kill them... but there are still some 'mysterios' deaths in the field

 ::)

There is also one saying in the Black World... 

"Those that KNOW do not talk, those that TALK do not know"




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Re: IMMACULATE DECEPTION - John Lear
« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2017, 11:12:26 AM »

We can agree, disagree, believe, not believe what ever, no one has a gun to their head. For a 3rd party to be held responsible for what some- else said or wrote is just plain silly. But, it seems the way of the World.  :o

Eventually on a personal note I just don't put my  "experiences" out there any more, don't need the hassle  or attention and also have developed Relationships with people just like me that are safe to "blab" my brains out, so I can understand what has happened to me, since I'm the one ,that has the need to know and it is not so lonely.

If ,on occasion if I get carried away, just saying, I'm a" UFO nut" works strangely well. My point is always be true to yourself. It works best. :)

Hey, Phedre,

I'm way past caring if people think I'm a kook. I know damn well what happens to me. Do I understand it? To some extent, yes.

What frustrates me is that they never show themselves even though I know they are all around us. I think they get off on that because the frustration feeds their habit, like a heroin junkie.

At Spookz I could feel the negativity in response to posting my experiences. Sometimes the blind refuse to see. It's hard to understand if you haven't been forced to take the red pill, but still they attack from a position of ignorance.

This is what makes Pegasus different. I haven't been judged, I've been allowed to disagree, and I haven't been attacked for doing either.

With respect to all members here,

Irene :)
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Re: IMMACULATE DECEPTION - John Lear
« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2017, 12:20:04 PM »
I'm way past caring if people think I'm a kook.

Same here LOL I wear a crown and run around playing with swords  Get over it...   While those people are calling me crazy, others are playing along and having fun... and you would be amazed at what sorts of people do that :D  So who is the crazy one?

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What frustrates me is that they never show themselves even though I know they are all around us. I think they get off on that because the frustration feeds their habit, like a heroin junkie.

I have been for years working on the Djinn angle  One day soon now I will put it together  In fact I have been thinking of writing a book on it and how it connects to the gates.  It is my opinion that the DJinn are not what most think they are and they cannot appear openly at this time.

IF I am right it will be a theory of everything :D and that needs an orderly flow of thought to get the point across... Maybe I need a Ghost Writer :D

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At Spookz I could feel the negativity in response to posting my experiences. Sometimes the blind refuse to see. It's hard to understand if you haven't been forced to take the red pill, but still they attack from a position of ignorance.

There is one factor  Those 'blind' may be so because they have not been allowed to see. We had one mod at ATS that was a sceptic... until one day he SAW one artifact in a picture on the moon...  He got it  because his mind had finally allowed him to accept the SCALE  and once that happened he saw the rest  I think it scared time, because he vanished soon after.

It is my firm belief (and experience) that most people are not yet ready to 'see' and their time will come.  All we can do is lay on the table what we have and let those who CAN see pick it up.

Trying to force the "Sheep to awaken" is a BAD idea  because all you will accomplish is create a herd of lost sheep

One example with the moon images... In San Jose we had a huge poster og Johns copernicus crater.  A LLNL physicist came over and was wowing at all the artifacts he could clearly see...  Another scientist came up and said "I don't see it, I see only blurry rocks"  An argument started  the Physicist yelling 'It's as clear as the nose on ypourt face!!"  It got heated  but the other guy saw only blurry rocks

Don't work about the sceptics and the blind. It is not there time to see... It goes back to that horse and the water   All you can do is point them to the water... you cannot force them to see

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Re: IMMACULATE DECEPTION - John Lear
« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2017, 02:48:27 PM »
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the DJinn are not what most think they are and they cannot appear openly at this time.

I think they're all one and the same. They just have different names according to cultural connections.

I should amend my statement that they don't show themselves. They do, but not as a unique physical form. They are what I usually call, stealing an excellent description from "Twin Peaks", inhabiting spirits.

Those who know, recognize them. Those who don't think the people they inhabit are possessed.

They used to speak to me through my mother. It was eerie and unnerving. The first time this happened I knew they were evil and sadistic.

They were tangentially discussed in the movie "Fallen". They don't have the power to manifest a physical form having been denied it by whomever, which is why they hijack us for their uses.

The non-sec types believe they're fallen angels. I think they're just interdimensionals.
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Re: IMMACULATE DECEPTION - John Lear
« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2017, 05:06:52 PM »
They don't have the power to manifest a physical form having been denied it by whomever, which is why they hijack us for their uses.

THAT POINT  is what I have been trying to figure out my whole life (well since i started this research when von Danekin appeared anyway)

The old stories of the DJinn in the Qu'ran say they were locked away behind a double gate but it does NOT say by whom. It was NOT God, even in the Qu'ran the scholars never attribute it to God (Allah) they just tend to ignore that point

In the movies we hear about the ANCIENTS as a guardian race of old sould from long before man came along. The ANCIENTS are always mentioned but no one can put a face on them  babylob 5, Star trek, Stargate... all have tried but they are always there.

Seems the DJinn were an all powerful old race that had mastered the secrets of the Universe and became decadent and spoiled. These 'Ancients" decided it was time to give mankind a cahnce and the DJinn were locked away ( most likely a dimensional barrier)  This barrier has leaks ( and possibly humans can crack it open just a little to let them through in an ethereal way..

THIS all fits with observed facts.  I believe ghosts, elementals, spirits and maybe even aliens are all just various names that are in fact just the DJinn getting through


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The non-sec types believe they're fallen angels. I think they're just interdimensionals.

Fallen Angels is an old school religious terms on tyhe Christian front, DJinn is the Islamic name... Aliens?  The modern "Demons" (Greys) and "Angels"(Nordics, Pleaidians)


What's in a NAME?

Flaming Chariot - UFO - Flying Shield - Flying Saucer....  different names in different times describing the SAME thing

Abydos - Abzu - Abyss - Star gate ....  different names in different times

Demon - DJinn - Gray Alien...  Angel - Guardian - Pleaidian Alien....  different names in different times

get the drift?

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Re: IMMACULATE DECEPTION - John Lear
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2017, 05:15:04 PM »
THAT POINT  is what I have been trying to figure out my whole life (well since i started this research when von Danekin appeared anyway)

The old stories of the DJinn in the Qu'ran say they were locked away behind a double gate but it does NOT say by whom. It was NOT God, even in the Qu'ran the scholars never attribute it to God (Allah) they just tend to ignore that point

In the movies we hear about the ANCIENTS as a guardian race of old sould from long before man came along. The ANCIENTS are always mentioned but no one can put a face on them  babylob 5, Star trek, Stargate... all have tried but they are always there.

Seems the DJinn were an all powerful old race that had mastered the secrets of the Universe and became decadent and spoiled. These 'Ancients" decided it was time to give mankind a cahnce and the DJinn were locked away ( most likely a dimensional barrier)  This barrier has leaks ( and possibly humans can crack it open just a little to let them through in an ethereal way..

THIS all fits with observed facts.  I believe ghosts, elementals, spirits and maybe even aliens are all just various names that are in fact just the DJinn getting through


Fallen Angels is an old school religious terms on tyhe Christian front, DJinn is the Islamic name... Aliens?  The modern "Demons" (Greys) and "Angels"(Nordics, Pleaidians)


What's in a NAME?

Flaming Chariot - UFO - Flying Shield - Flying Saucer....  different names in different times describing the SAME thing

Abydos - Abzu - Abyss - Star gate ....  different names in different times

Demon - DJinn - Gray Alien...  Angel - Guardian - Pleaidian Alien....  different names in different times

get the drift?

 ::)

Absolutely! I happen to be an etymology freak. I have a strong background in English, so I spend a lot of time dissecting the language and attempting to translate various things.

Regarding the Ancients, they were basically mentioned in "Contact" as well. No one knew who built the transport system.

I am definitely on-board.   8)
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Re: IMMACULATE DECEPTION - John Lear
« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2017, 05:19:02 PM »
I thought I started a thread on the Ancients LOL I can't find it

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Re: IMMACULATE DECEPTION - John Lear
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2017, 05:48:43 PM »
I thought I started a thread on the Ancients LOL I can't find it

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You did do a thread on the Ancients; and for some reason i can't find it either  :o
it had information about Solomon and his seals that blocked the Djiin...

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