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The notion of the military ever voluntarily releasing top secret information has always puzzled me.

As we know that is not in their nature, it does not fit their M.O.

So who would make the colossal blunder of releasing this information to the press?

A naive Col. Blanchard? What, he thought the public had a right to know and didn't bother to check with his bosses first?  ::)

Not-very-likely.


The man who actually issued this press release to the public was 1st Lt. Walter Haut -

who in the end, gave us the answer as to whose bright idea it was to issue the press release stating that the Army had 'captured' a Flying Saucer.

Before his death in 2005, he signed a sealed deathbed confession to be opened only after his passing.

Before that time, all he had ever said publicly is the Col. Blanchard called him up one day and dictated the press release to him that he wanted given to all press media.

Which is indeed true, but not the whole truth as we were later to find out.

"On Tuesday morning, July 8, I would attend the regularly scheduled staff meeting at 7:30 a.m.

Besides

Blanchard,
Marcel;
CIC Capt. Sheridan Cavitt;
Col. James I. Hopkins, the operations officer;
Major Patrick Saunders, the base adjutant;
Major Isadore Brown, the personnel officer;
Lt. Col. Ulysses S. Nero, the supply officer;
and from Carswell AAF in Fort Worth, Texas, Blanchard’s boss, Brig. Gen. Roger Ramey
and his chief of staff, Col. Thomas J. DuBose were also in attendance.

...One of the main concerns discussed at the meeting was whether we should go public or not with the discovery.




Gen.Ramey proposed a plan, which I believe originated with his bosses at the Pentagon.

Attention needed to be diverted from the more important site north of town by acknowledging the other location.

Too many civilians were already involved and the press already was informed
.

I was not completely informed how this would be accomplished."


So the origin of this idea was actually the Pentagon.

 
And the primary motivation was -

"Attention needed to be diverted from the more important site north of town by acknowledging the other location.

Too many civilians were already involved and the press already was informed."


Now add to the equation some information that the military had, that not even the President knew -

Not only had we broken the German and Jap secret codes, but the Soviets as well.


The Venona project began in 1943, and through this project the military were well aware of how many Russian spies had infiltrated even the Manhattan project.

The very existence of this program was not revealed until a leak in 1995. 


"The decrypted messages gave important insights into Soviet behavior in the period during which duplicate one-time pads were used.

With the first break into the code, Venona revealed the existence of Soviet espionage at Los Alamos National Laboratories.

Identities soon emerged of American, Canadian, Australian, and British spies in service to the Soviet government, including Klaus Fuchs, Alan Nunn May, and Donald Maclean.

Others worked in Washington in the State Department, the Treasury, Office of Strategic Services,and even the White House.


For much of its history, knowledge of Venona was restricted even from the highest levels of government.

Senior army officers, in consultation with the FBI and CIA, made the decision to restrict knowledge of Venona within the government (even the CIA was not made an active partner until 1952).

Army Chief of Staff Omar Bradley, concerned about the White House's history of leaking sensitive information, decided to deny President Truman direct knowledge of the project.

The president received the substance of the material only through FBI, Justice Department, and CIA reports on counterintelligence and intelligence matters.

He was not told the material came from decoded Soviet ciphers."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project


The Pentagon was also well aware that New Mexico was lousy with civilian Russian spies interested in Los Alamos, White Sands and of course the 509th Atomic Air wing. 

Those were undoubtedly the civilians the Pentagon was primarily concerned with 'diverting their attention' as stated by Walter Haut.

So it was the old 'bait and switch ruse' used since the debris field was the only site known to the public at that point, and the military wanted to keep it that way while they recovered and cleaned up the crash site.

And the debris field was already cordoned off.

Once that was accomplished, the weather balloon story was... 'released'.


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Walter Haut, who released this headline to the media, was also allowed to see the recovered Disc and alien bodies by his commander and old friend from WWII - Col Blanchard.

They were both Bomber pilots in the same squadron who flew missions over Japanese targets during WWII.

Rumors were flying among the townsfolk who got to handle the debris.

Everyone in the US was aware of flying saucers due to the previous two weeks of daily headlines in newspapers all across the US regarding sightings of flying saucers.

The press release states -

"The many rumors regarding the flying discs became a reality yesterday when the intelligence office of the 509th (atomic) Bomb Group of the 8th Air Force, Roswell Army Air Field, was fortunate enough to gain possession of a disc through the cooperation of one of the ranchers and the sheriff's office of Chaves county."





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It does make one ponder exactly what they were trying to draw attention away from by making an announcement such as this shortly after the end of WW2; and considering the public reaction to Orson Well's war of the worlds broadcast just a few years previous to the war, who was pulling who's chain, and why?

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It does make one ponder exactly what they were trying to draw attention away from by making an announcement such as this shortly after the end of WW2; and considering the public reaction to Orson Well's war of the worlds broadcast just a few years previous to the war, who was pulling who's chain, and why?

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Well fortunately we have Walter's word as to who was pulling our chain in regards to the OP headline and subsequent weather balloon headline.

We also have Gen. Dubose's testimony about where the weather balloon debris displayed in Ramey's office came from -

"We didn’t know what the hell it was. Nobody knew.

But I can tell you this — it damn sure wasn’t a weather balloon. ...(Gen) McMullen said, Look, why don't you come up with something, anything you can use to get the press off our back? 

So we came up with this weather balloon story,  which I thought was a hell of a good idea.   

Somebody got one and we ran it up a couple of hundred feet and dropped it to make it look like it crashed, and that's what we used... 


Now I imagine, privately, some people felt bad about doing things that way. But it worked. The story stuck."

...

Yeah meaning they felt bad about using Maj. Marcel as the fall guy without telling him.

He comes out of the map room with Ramey and "Surprise!"

The debris he had recovered was gone and had been replaced with the wrecked weather balloon.


The Pentagon was playing hardball. They knew just from the performance reports they had something big.

The non- human dead crew reports probably increased their level of concern greatly.



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It is fairly common knowledge that Gen. Dubose (seen next to Ramey examining the weather balloon wreckage) was his chief of staff.

But who was this  Gen. McMullen that we see him refer to as asking for 'something, anything to get the press off our backs"?


His biography shows that by 1947 -

"In the fast-moving, event filled postwar period, many changes were taking place rapidly and in short succession in the Air Force.

In November 1946, General McMullen, for a short period of time, took command of the Eighth Air Force when it was reactivated at Fort Worth Army Airfield, Texas.

Two months later, in January 1947, he relinquished his command of the Eighth Air Force to Brigadier General Roger M. Ramey. General Kenney had other plans for his good friend General McMullen.

...Major General McMullen was in the position of Deputy Commander/Chief of Staff of the Strategic Air Command from January 1947 to October 1948.

While in this position the Air Corps was separated from the US Army in September 1947 and became the Department of the United States Air Force. General McMullen was officially transferred from the Army Air Corps to the United States Air Force and retained the rank of Major General in the post war/Cold War period of the United States."


 

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i think the ufo was a 2 part system. with the hull being what is shown to all. the propulsion and aliens travelling further down range before crashing.
i also suspect skinny bob was commander and the dead were clones, but im really stretching there. as skinny bob doesnt look like other crash victims but seems to be from same era when looking at photos. the gland heads seem to be from the 1938 crash near or in germany,  as photos of russian and hitler show an alien with a gladular type head. then what looks like alien bodies in a cold storage all seem to be burned gland heads.
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also want to add, there was a interview with mickey roonies wife and she said the red head sargent was her dad. this ties hollywood with aliens. very thinly ties.
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Re: So whose bright idea was the 'Army Captures Flying Saucer' headline?
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2016, 09:08:03 AM »
*a card starts to roll unnervingly from it's point in the not to distant future*

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Re: So whose bright idea was the 'Army Captures Flying Saucer' headline?
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2016, 09:46:37 AM »

I read the whole Remote Viewing forum last night, and there is nothing in there which Alex Constantine hasn't already covered, and covered better.

I find it strange that a forum such as this would omit such researchers and omit such exercises in critical thinking...

Just curious - Are you saying that IN YOUR OPINION, "remote viewing" equates to critical thinking/critical research?? If so, what part of the physical world of science and research accepts such as even fairy-land believable? If such be so, then call in the witches and the voodoo spirits to get to the real truth of the "outta this world stuff"!  ;D

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Re: So whose bright idea was the 'Army Captures Flying Saucer' headline?
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2016, 10:30:58 AM »
reminds me of the tribe that built a plane in homage to those u.s forces that landed there .. strange that , clearly though the u.s plane that landed there was a delusion brought on by generations of interbreeding :D

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edit because of: wolves dressed in sheep skin ballerina outfits

Kind of like the movie 'The Gods Must Be Crazy' yeah?


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Re: So whose bright idea was the 'Army Captures Flying Saucer' headline?
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2016, 11:21:42 AM »
*the tentacle crashes down , under the squelchy mess, is left a card *



*the usual distant m.f.b snickering can be heard one chuckles slightly louder than the other momentarily*

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Re: So whose bright idea was the 'Army Captures Flying Saucer' headline?
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2016, 11:49:24 AM »
Kind of like the movie 'The Gods Must Be Crazy' yeah?

not seen that movie , but yeah , duality resides everywhere, from top to downside to the extravagantly interwoven , there's no escaping the positive and negative :D

permeated in all  I believe

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Re: So whose bright idea was the 'Army Captures Flying Saucer' headline?
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2016, 11:51:05 AM »

C'mon boxy quit holding out on us, where's the Karla Kniption card?

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Re: So whose bright idea was the 'Army Captures Flying Saucer' headline?
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2016, 11:53:41 AM »
C'mon boxy quit holding out on us, where's the Karla Conniption card?

Karla conniption is not in my mind , what is this of which you speak ?

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Re: So whose bright idea was the 'Army Captures Flying Saucer' headline?
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2016, 12:20:44 PM »
Karla conniption is not in my mind , what is this of which you speak ?

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aka John Hutchison







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