Water, atmosphere and life on the Moon

[easynow]

this photo needed to be flipped horizontally, now it is in the original perspective

It's from Apollo 13 ...


AS13-60-8659

http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/lores/AS13-60-8659.jpg

Link - http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/caption.jsp?photoId=AS13-60-8659

[vril-ya]

no it isn't. also, the two are not the same photo at all.

It's from Apollo 13 ...


AS13-60-8659

http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/lores/AS13-60-8659.jpg

Link - http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/caption.jsp?photoId=AS13-60-8659

[vril-ya]

another one by apollo 8, just look at that

[ArMaP]

another one by apollo 8, just look at that

Isn't that photo "mirrored"?

PS: posting the photos' IDs would be a good idea.

[vril-ya]

not flipped, taken from this page http://dateiwao.fc2web.com/moongate.htm

Isn't that photo "mirrored"?

PS: posting the photos' IDs would be a good idea.

[ArMaP]

not flipped, taken from this page

Well, one of these was flipped, it can be both ways.

[vril-ya]

no, just no. they were taken from different perspective.

Well, one of these was flipped, it can be both ways.

[vril-ya]

but don't worry, seti and nasa are "seeking" for you

[ArMaP]

no, just no. they were taken from different perspective.

If that's the case you can make them look the same by rotating them, and that's not possible.

[vril-ya]

no you can not, these are completely different photos taken from different position and probably from different missions too, no relation whatsoever.

If that's the case you can make them look the same by rotating them, and that's not possible.

[ArMaP]

no you can not, these are completely different photos taken from different position and probably from different missions too, no relation whatsoever.

They may be from different missions, but one is mirrored when compared with the other, I find it strange that you don't see that.

According to all the maps I have seen, the central mound of Tsiolkosky crater is close to the northern edge of the crater, with the larger feature on the east side of the mound and the smaller one on the west side.


The last photo you posted, from Apollo 8, has the features in the same positions, as do all the videos and most of the photos.


The photos that are really mirrored are the one you said needed to be flipped (it didn't)...


... and the one from Apollo 13.

[vril-ya]

you drew the directions correctly but if you look at the source image in vladimirs lecture, you'll see it needed to be flipped to match the original perspective.

https://youtu.be/tEe-QGohonU?t=6h38m32s

it is simply that photos were taken from different perspectives with different camera angle, first one taken from NE and the other from NW direction.

but even if we flip the first photo, you can clearly tell camera angle is different, not to mention all other differences showing beyond doubt these are different photos.

They may be from different missions, but one is mirrored when compared with the other, I find it strange that you don't see that.

According to all the maps I have seen, the central mound of Tsiolkosky crater is close to the northern edge of the crater, with the larger feature on the east side of the mound and the smaller one on the west side.


The last photo you posted, from Apollo 8, has the features in the same positions, as do all the videos and most of the photos.


The photos that are really mirrored are the one you said needed to be flipped (it didn't)...


... and the one from Apollo 13.

[ArMaP]

you drew the directions correctly but if you look at the source image in vladimirs lecture, you'll see it needed to be flipped to match the original perspective.

https://youtu.be/tEe-QGohonU?t=6h38m32s

That's right, I was only comparing to the image you posted from the video without looking at the video itself, the photo in the video looks like this:


But, in your post on page 4, when you said "this photo needed to be flipped horizontally, now it is in the original perspective" and posted this image:

you posted the image like it appears in the video, mirrored, that's what confused me.
The image in your opening post is the correct one.

But that means that the image easynow posted, from a NASA site, is the one that was mirrored. Another error in an image posted on an official site to add to the collection.

it is simply that photos were taken from different perspectives with different camera angle, first one taken from NE and the other from NW direction.

No, different camera angles do not make the image look like that, it had to be mirrored.

but even if we flip the first photo, you can clearly tell camera angle is different, not to mention all other differences showing beyond doubt these are different photos.

Yes, the shadows look different, it's not the same photo.

[vril-ya]

"you posted the image like it appears in the video, mirrored" < why do you assume the photo in the video is "mirrored"? it is in original perspective.

for the other photo, it seems to be the same apollo 13 photo, only flipped and "processed",  contrast and color removed in a well known nasa manner, an "error" as you put it.

That's right, I was only comparing to the image you posted from the video without looking at the video itself, the photo in the video looks like this:


But, in your post on page 4, when you said "this photo needed to be flipped horizontally, now it is in the original perspective" and posted this image:

you posted the image like it appears in the video, mirrored, that's what confused me.
The image in your opening post is the correct one.

But that means that the image easynow posted, from a NASA site, is the one that was mirrored. Another error in an image posted on an official site to add to the collection.
No, different camera angles do not make the image look like that, it had to be mirrored.
Yes, the shadows look different, it's not the same photo.

[ArMaP]

"you posted the image like it appears in the video, mirrored" < why do you assume the photo in the video is "mirrored"? it is in original perspective.

Because it is.

I used all the photos posted in this thread, resized, rotated and adjusted the perspective, and then overlaid them on a map.

1 - This is the photo from the opening post:


2 - The image taken from the Lunar Orbiter video from your second post:


3 - The image from Clementine I posted:


4 - The image you posted on the second page:


5 - The Apollo 15 image posted by easynow on page 4:


6 - The image from your post on page 4, the one where you said that the "photo needed to be flipped horizontally":


7 - The Apollo 13 image easynow posted on page 5, AS13-60-8659:


8 - The image you posted on page 5, from Apollo 8:


9 - The image I took from the video:


You can see that images 6,7 and 9 and the ones that were mirrored.