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Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
« on: December 14, 2015, 03:46:18 PM »
Hello everyone ... and Seasons Greetings to All :)

A long time ago in a galaxy (not) far away, I happened to find a NASA image mystery that was presented in an old UFO documentary and was never able to find an explanation on my own so I thought I'd post this and share it with anyone that might be interested.

The imagery in question is from the Apollo 12 mission and during the Transearth-Phase (the return trip), allegedly the crew took a picture(s?) showing the Moons reflection on the Earth .... and apparently some people thought it might be a UFO.

I had never heard about this until I saw the video documentary called  "The Case of the UFOs"

For anyone that hasn't seen it and wants to watch the entire video, here's a search link - https://www.google.com/search?q=The+Case+of+the+UFOs+1982


To save time, I have the relevant clip here which has the story and shows the image ...

Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly

Link -

[youtube]-N-Szrh81Bs[/youtube]


And here is a screen-capture of the image shown in the video ...




I thought this image was really interesting and wanted to see a better copy of it so I started looking for it on all the NASA imagery websites but I was never able to find it.

Not seeing a match here ...
Link - http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/catalog/70mm/magazine/?53

Or here in this video ...
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So my reason for posting this topic is because I was hoping maybe somebody else can help identify the image and tell us all where to see the original on the NASA websites.

Also since Jim Oberg is a member here on this forum and he is the one in the video presenting the information, I thought maybe he would like an opportunity to explain and tell us more about it and give us the image number so it can be identified.



Thanks for reading,

Cheers


« Last Edit: December 14, 2015, 03:59:12 PM by easynow »

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Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2015, 06:19:58 PM »
I'll see what I can find

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Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2015, 07:31:35 PM »
I'll see what I can find

Hey thanks Zorgon,

Any help identifying this image will be much appreciated.



For reference purposes here's a quote from the transcripts ...

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241:33:04 Conrad: Also, also, right in the center of the Earth now, we have some real bright light shining, staying on - that - that Dick's looking at with the monocular. It's really bright.

241:33:20 Weitz: Roger. Understand. Does it appear to be coming from your nadir point, which should be just off the Eastern coast of India now?

241:33:28 Conrad: Yes. Looks like it's coming just about out of the center of what we're looking at. I would say south of Burma and east of India.

241:33:39 Weitz: Roger. That's just about your nadir. [Long pause.]

241:34:11 Conrad: I can't imagine what that is.

241:34:21 Weitz: We can't either. We're checking for possibilities.

241:34:27 Conrad: It's a steady light, and it appears in size to be as big as any of the thunderstorms flashing.

241:34:39 Bean: Yes. It's as big as Venus at least. [Long pause.]

241:34:XX Weitz: Roger. Understand.

241:34:XX Bean: It's hard to tell if it is exactly in the center of the Earth or not, it's pretty close to being right in the center. Maybe just a little bit to our right, whatever that means. Just a little bit to the side that the Sun did not go behind the Earth on.

241:35:21 Weitz: Roger. I think we understand that.


Link - http://history.nasa.gov/ap12fj/20day10_sf3th.htm


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Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2015, 01:29:43 PM »
Try here

https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/albums/72157656754109323

Thanks but I've looked there already and everwhere else too.

I'm almost certain the image in question is not displayed anywhere on the web for public viewing.


To search on the main image site ->  http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/SearchPhotos/

I would need to find the image number - https://www.google.com/search?q=apollo+12+film+catalogue



Very possible since it's a UFO related subject matter it can not be accessed online.

I found the same thing happened with the SkyLab 3 UFO images.

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Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2015, 02:55:48 PM »
I suppose it should be one from AS12-53-7891 to AS12-53-7947, but I don't see any with the Moon being reflect by Earth.

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Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2015, 06:28:59 PM »
I suppose it should be one from AS12-53-7891 to AS12-53-7947, but I don't see any with the Moon being reflect by Earth.

Yes seems likely to be from that series of images but it's just a guess.

I checked here -> http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/SearchPhotos/ ... for that magazine but it's not listed ...




Maybe you can find it on there ?




I'm starting to think there may be only two choices to consider ...


In the video did Oberg present an image that was hoaxed?

Or

Did NASA withhold the image from public viewing because it concerns The Great Taboo?

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Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2015, 07:12:43 PM »
Sorry, I forgot to say that the only place I found those photos was on the LPI, here.

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Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2015, 12:43:18 PM »
Hey ArMaP thanks for responding  :)


Sorry, I forgot to say that the only place I found those photos was on the LPI, here.

After more consideration, I'm thinking it may not be from the B&W images ...

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240:47:01 Bean: It's a heck of a time to be without any 70-millimeter color film, I'll tell you.

240:47:07 Weitz: ...[garble]...

240:47:08 Bean: But I know how to get it on a 16-millimeter camera.

Link - http://history.nasa.gov/ap12fj/20day10_sf3th.htm


It's possible it's not from that magazine because during the video, when they zoom in on the image, the Moon reflection or UFO appears to have some color to it...




Thats why I posted the transcripts and this video ....

[youtube]TRz56VbQRjM[/youtube]

But I don't see it there either so not sure where to look next?




Would you agree the object? in question has some color ?


Cheers  :D
« Last Edit: December 24, 2015, 01:10:33 PM by easynow »

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Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2015, 04:32:18 PM »
Thats why I posted the transcripts and this video ....
I missed that 16mm part, that was the video camera.

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Would you agree the object? in question has some color ?
Yes, it has some colour, but I don't know how much of that colour comes from the conversion of the video.

On the video we can see only a lens flare (like in the photos on the LPI), could it be that there aren't really any images of the event and they used an image with the lens flare?

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Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2015, 07:22:44 PM »
Thanks ArMaP for the reply,

Yes, it has some colour, but I don't know how much of that colour comes from the conversion of the video.

Hmmm... Not sure converting a video file can create colors ?



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On the video we can see only a lens flare (like in the photos on the LPI), could it be that there aren't really any images of the event and they used an image with the lens flare?

The problem with that theory is none of the imagery matches.

Link - https://www.google.com/search?q=Apollo+12+16mm+solar+eclipse


And to be honest, the lens flare doesn't look the same as the Moon-UFO anomaly.

Just my opinion of course, but either way, it seems some imagery is MIA or the image is somekind of hoax?

Idunno but I'll keep diggin and post when possible.



Anyways ........ Happy Holidays to Everyone ...

Cheers!  :D
« Last Edit: December 24, 2015, 07:25:16 PM by easynow »

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Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2015, 04:27:43 AM »
Hmmm... Not sure converting a video file can create colors ?
I don't think it can create colours, but I think it can change, specially with the aggressive compression used in most cases on the Internet.

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The problem with that theory is none of the imagery matches.

And to be honest, the lens flare doesn't look the same as the Moon-UFO anomaly.
I have to do a better comparison, I confess I haven't spend much time with this. :)

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Just my opinion of course, but either way, it seems some imagery is MIA or the image is somekind of hoax?
That's my opinion too.

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Anyways ........ Happy Holidays to Everyone ...
Happy Holidays. :)

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Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2016, 07:25:57 AM »
Thanks ArMaP,

I suppose video compression could cause some discoloring but that hypothesis would need to be tested and in this specific case that explanation (imo) really seems a bit extreme.

And yeah you would have to spend some time examining all the images and information to be of any help in solving this puzzle. I was afraid this might be too much work for most folks and almost didn't post for that reason but thought it was worth a try since some people are interested in the Apollo subjects.

Well at least you agree there seems to be some information missing.


As far as the video goes, this seems to be the closest it gets ...



Compared to the image in question




Image rotated:


B&W version:


As you can see the UFO-Moonreflection in the image in question is clearly in the center of the Earth and in the solar eclipse imagery the lens flare is outside the sphere.

So basically there is no match I see in the 16mm video imagery.

I'm back to thinking the imagery is from the 70mm B&W images but the image has been withheld from the public because it is related to the UFO subject.



Too bad the guy in the video won't post and clear up this mystery.

Maybe he hasn't posted because there is something to hide ?

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Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2016, 01:37:44 PM »
seems to be a familiar resemblance but light-years between technologies

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum2/index.php?topic=9177.msg122603;topicseen#new

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Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2016, 07:51:29 AM »
seems to be a familiar resemblance but light-years between technologies

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum2/index.php?topic=9177.msg122603;topicseen#new

funbox

Hey Thanks funbox for the interesting image.

Not sure there's a resemblance or not but are you saying it's "light-years between technologies" because you think the A12 anomaly is a UFO?

Just wondering why you said that.

Anyways .... I'm thinking the anomaly is really the Moons glowing reflection on the Earth even though it does in fact resemble a UFO.

Seems plausible when comparing imagery of the Moons shadow ...

Moon's Shadow on Earth During Solar Eclipse

Link - http://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/k-4/stories/moons-shadow/#.VthOJuYoG5d

Also captured on video:

Luna eclipse shadow over Earth 2005 - ISS Expedition 10
Link -

[youtube]hfSe7LzZj2w[/youtube]


Cheers  :D
« Last Edit: March 03, 2016, 08:12:23 AM by easynow »

 


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