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Re: Where exactly did you witness the Flying Disc UFO with Bob Lazar ?
« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2012, 03:04:35 PM »
I note your further update on the images.

I like the picture of the UFO....very cool !  :-)

I can see some info where it says Landing site....and hanger with an arrow
pointing from Papoose lake indicating 450' Dia...

The UFO is indicated at 350' Dia...so im assuming that the hanger /s
are 450' Dia to fit in a 350' Dia Disc.

I also see the model image for the hanger base..I had seen that before on Bobs site..

What I cannot quite read is the writing on the  update where you show the small image showing the Hole separate from  the initial DEM shot  .

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Re: Where exactly did you witness the Flying Disc UFO with Bob Lazar ?
« Reply #31 on: March 03, 2012, 03:24:16 PM »
I can read the small image ok now.. Thanks for amending it.

That is interesting !  what you said...below
I have noticed when I look at google maps how when you zoom in how parts  of the map seem to join and show a varied colour..so I could believe what you say.


"No. They airbrush all possible traces of a facility including roads and car parks."

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Re: Where exactly did you witness the Flying Disc UFO with Bob Lazar ?
« Reply #32 on: March 03, 2012, 03:31:55 PM »
John,

I believe that you only witnessed the discs on one occasion with Bob,But  he did visit several times with other friends before he was caught.

Do you know if he witnessed the Saucers in the same place or did he view them in other ares as well, such as towards Papoose lake itself or even heading towards the 375 highway, maybe towards the mailbox.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2012, 03:37:54 PM by astr0144 »

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Re: Where exactly did you witness the Flying Disc UFO with Bob Lazar ?
« Reply #33 on: March 03, 2012, 03:59:05 PM »
John,

I believe that you only witnessed the discs on one occasion with Bob,But  he did visit several times with other friends before he was caught.

Do you know if he witnessed the Saucers in the same place or did he view them in other ares as well, such as towards Papoose lake itself or even heading towards the 375 highway, maybe towards the mailbox.


Bob and his wife had been to the same identical spot several months before he even heard that UFO's were up there. He saw the lights of the saucer but he didn't know what they were.

I went with Bob and Gene Huff on March 22, 1989. On March 29th Bob went with Gene and Jim and they saw what we saw on the 22nd. A week later I went with Bob, Gene, Bobs wife and her sister and we  didn't see anything because that is the nite we got caught.

Bob saw the saucer fly once outside the hangar at S-4. He told me that he would go out on the ramp occasionally to listen for Aurora because it was extremely loud and the noise would echo down the valley.

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Re: Where exactly did you witness the Flying Disc UFO with Bob Lazar ?
« Reply #34 on: March 03, 2012, 04:05:05 PM »
I note your further update on the images.

I like the picture of the UFO....very cool !  :-)

I can see some info where it says Landing site....and hanger with an arrow
pointing from Papoose lake indicating 450' Dia...

The UFO is indicated at 350' Dia...so im assuming that the hanger /s
are 450' Dia to fit in a 350' Dia Disc.

I also see the model image for the hanger base..I had seen that before on Bobs site..

What I cannot quite read is the writing on the  update where you show the small image showing the Hole separate from  the initial DEM shot  .


Bob never saw a disc that big (350ft.). Each of the 9 bays were about 60 ft. wide as the saucers were no larger than 45 or 50 feet. I don't know where they parked the big saucer  unless it was in that hole I found on the DEM.

When I get set up to run the DEM's again I will show you a clear view of what is in the bottom of that hole. It is the outline of a jet like the F-117A but not exactly. I had lots and lots more pictures of the hole but I lost them somewhere along the line in changing nd updating computers.

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Re: Where exactly did you witness the Flying Disc UFO with Bob Lazar ?
« Reply #35 on: March 03, 2012, 04:20:54 PM »
Astro144.

I just need to ask you why it is that the location of the experience means so much to you? It might seem a simple question but maybe your answer will show that its really not?

Linda

Now that you have heard from John ( and it was nice to see his post!) can you return to consider my question above. You said perhaps that you would be able to do that after you had gotten a response from John.

I am not well versed on this situation but it just seems to me that a " car park" would be sort of silly when the easiest way to " drop folks off" would be to stop the bus in the middle of the dirt road.... over a specially designed cover. The bus bottom would drop down into that... " elevator" and the entire bus could be off loaded within seconds without anyone ever suspecting anything other than it has just hesitated on the road. Not something that noticeable. Pick up could be handled the same way and if the stories about all of the underground transit systems are true in that area there might be all kinds of " Bus Drops" on those dusty desert roads. I don't know about such things but it seems more rational than a " car park".

Anyway... hope you can answer my question one of these days.   Linda

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Re: Where exactly did you witness the Flying Disc UFO with Bob Lazar ?
« Reply #36 on: March 03, 2012, 04:40:30 PM »
Hi Linda,

As John has only just started to comment and I hope that he continues.
It is a bit early for me to comment to why it is important to me to ask where John had viewed the saucers from in connection to some other facts that I am trying to learn about... I am also Hoping that A51watcher can reply to some of my questions that are related to what I am trying to assess.

Hope that I can find out what I am trying to research in full before I comment on the next questions in relation to it.

Hope you can be patient. :-)

As for the importance of the car park.. I only mentioned that as for some reason I seemed to recall reading somewhere about it not being visible
on google after Bob had commented on it .

It is interesting to read Johns comment on it and I believe what he says is a possibility.

You do make a good suggestion that I would not disagree with about a special drop off cover etc... if they did want to keep everything as secret as possible. 

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Re: Where exactly did you witness the Flying Disc UFO with Bob Lazar ?
« Reply #37 on: March 03, 2012, 04:50:11 PM »
Thank you for the explanation of  the visits to witness the saucers.

That is interesting that you refer to two different sized Saucers.
Something that I had not realised before.

I hope that you managed to run your DEMs again ok...

I will also try and find one of the photos that you posted on "open minds" looking from Mount Charleston area towards Papoose.
It showed great detail of the Nellis area..it was very impressive !
or at least I thought so. It may take me a bit of time to find it. so it may be in the next day or so if I cannot find it today.




Bob never saw a disc that big (350ft.). Each of the 9 bays were about 60 ft. wide as the saucers were no larger than 45 or 50 feet. I don't know where they parked the big saucer  unless it was in that hole I found on the DEM.

When I get set up to run the DEM's again I will show you a clear view of what is in the bottom of that hole. It is the outline of a jet like the F-117A but not exactly. I had lots and lots more pictures of the hole but I lost them somewhere along the line in changing nd updating computers.

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Re: Where exactly did you witness the Flying Disc UFO with Bob Lazar ?
« Reply #38 on: March 03, 2012, 06:04:24 PM »
I will also try and find one of the photos that you posted on "open minds" looking from Mount Charleston area towards Papoose.
It showed great detail of the Nellis area..it was very impressive !
or at least I thought so. It may take me a bit of time to find it. so it may be in the next day or so if I cannot find it today.


This one?




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Re: Where exactly did you witness the Flying Disc UFO with Bob Lazar ?
« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2012, 06:27:00 PM »
Hi John,

Thanks for posting that image, it is one that I have not seen before.

I was trying to find an image similar to the one I have in mind online.

there is a similar but not as good as yours on dreamland resort forum from Tom Mahood that shows yucca and frenchman flats.

http://www.dreamlandresort.com/trip_reports/circumnavigation/index.html

this is another..again the clarity was lacking compared to the one you posted on "open Minds".

http://www.dreamlandresort.com/trip_reports/interceptors/papsmall.jpg


this is an article written about the View from Mt Sterling.
I assume that most will already have seen it if they are into
Papoose Lake..

UNFORTUNATELY you can not access it by a direct link..so go to..

http://www.dreamlandresort.com/

if you look at the left hand side..find Area51 info and photos..then look below that for "more info and photos"

you will see a title watching Area 51... look in the first listings for
"other view spots"...

scroll down to the bottom and you will see Mt Stirling.Click on it to read the article.


Then there are some photos taken from Mount Sterling on a website that I found..but they dont lable anything and do not show all the panoramic view.

if you scroll down you will see some that look towards the nellis area.

When I clicked on a image, I was not able to close it again and had to
enter the site again..so it may not be wise to click on the image to make it larger unless you reload again into the site.

http://flickeflu.com/set/72157624318724520
« Last Edit: March 03, 2012, 06:43:20 PM by astr0144 »

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Re: Where exactly did you witness the Flying Disc UFO with Bob Lazar ?
« Reply #40 on: March 03, 2012, 08:27:07 PM »


Fouche may be correct. A few years ago I was playing with some DEM (Digital Elevation Models) of Papoose Lake and found a hole south of S-4.

I have a DEM of Groom Lake but I have lost my Vista Pro 3.
As soon as I get another one I will run Groom and see what I come up with.
Fantastic DEM on this page, and boy does S-4 have a panoramic view of the takeoff and landing of the disc, too.
DEM editing is a bugger, isnt it? A cloudy day can make a DEM look like a piece of swiss cheese, but this looks like something else.
Incredible, John, and very possible that the hole is a small lake, or a false door.
Thanks, Littleenki





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Re: Where exactly did you witness the Flying Disc UFO with Bob Lazar ?
« Reply #41 on: March 03, 2012, 09:37:40 PM »



A small lake? A cubic lake next to a dry lake?

A false door 400 ft on a side? What do the hinges look like?

How do you open a door 400 ft. on a side? And what is a false door?

A door that is not there?


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Re: Where exactly did you witness the Flying Disc UFO with Bob Lazar ?
« Reply #42 on: March 03, 2012, 09:56:23 PM »
Hi John,

I was discussing S4 a few weeks ago with a respected researcher.. and he claimed that he had investigated the geology of the land where S4 is claimed to be . He said that he had been told by what I assume was some expert in that field that he did not think it would be possible to create a underground facility next to a dry lake ( Too soft ground) or on  sloping Mountain terrain for  what ever the type of Rock. I am not sure what the main rock base around  S4..

I believe the construction tunneling company EG&G had built several underground facilities between Mercury ( tunnels where they did the Nukes) and Groom lake.  So I would had thought that they would be able to have created a facility that goes into the ground or into the side of the sloping terrain.

Just wondered if you had questioned or researched into this in the past ?

I am going to have to sign off to later on in the next half of the day.

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Re: Where exactly did you witness the Flying Disc UFO with Bob Lazar ?
« Reply #43 on: March 03, 2012, 10:07:06 PM »
S-4 is built into the side of the mountain exactly where Bob said it was and where I put it on the map.

No need to research because a film studio had a computer program where Bob gave them the approximate speed and time to S-4 from Groom Lake. It all matched to where he said it was.

All this was done about 22 years ago.

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Re: Where exactly did you witness the Flying Disc UFO with Bob Lazar ?
« Reply #44 on: March 04, 2012, 04:48:50 AM »

A small lake? A cubic lake next to a dry lake?

A false door 400 ft on a side? What do the hinges look like?

How do you open a door 400 ft. on a side? And what is a false door?

A door that is not there?
Well, John, I wonder about that "lake", and it's cubic shape. That's what made me think of missing parts of the DEM because those parts are usually indicated by missing pixels, and when animated,  make a squarish sort of anomaly. Odd! Manmade? Yep! I think so.
Oh, and a false door, is more like saying, "a door that you shouldnt know about" ;)
True, a 400 foot actual "door" would be way a challenge for current engineering, or would it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboys_Stadium
I wonder if they have the giant TV, too?
Interesting, and I hope you have  nice weekend, John.
Cheers!
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