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Russia - Should We Be Alarmed Yet? :)
« on: September 09, 2015, 03:55:37 PM »
Russian military build-up in Syria ‘unprecedented,’ officials say

Doesn't it seem that about every time we "turn around", there is a new News report about anther "strong-arming" move be Russia. Does anyone here think that Russia's such moves are a direct result of the U. S. President and his administration being so lackadaisical with our military, and so much so, that they have depleted much of the high ranking personnel who had any real military leadership experience?

So, now Russia is going to be supporting in Syria/Assad, while Obama and his minions are supporting the fighters fighting to overthrow Assad?? ?? Now isn't that just a brilliant situation
we find ourselves in, under this President...........again!!

Published September 09, 2015FoxNews.com

U.S. officials are expressing growing concern about Russia's military build-up in Assad-controlled Syria, calling it "unprecedented" -- with one telling Fox News it compares in scope to Vladimir Putin's incursion into Crimea.

"It's beginning to look like Crimyria," the official told Fox News.

Two U.S. officials who have reviewed the latest intelligence told Fox News that satellite imagery reveals more flights of massive Russian An-124 "condor" military cargo planes landing in Syria. They are offloading troops, including just under 50 Russian marines, and armored vehicles.

U.S. officials said the Russian activity in Syria is unlike any they've seen since the start of the Syrian civil war four years ago.

"This is definitely a build-up straight out of Russia's military doctrine," said one official.

The Russian government is not denying the build-up.

Russia's Foreign Ministry disclosed early Wednesday that Russian military experts indeed are assisting forces loyal to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in that country's long-running civil war.



More: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/09/russian-military-build-up-in-syria-unprecedented-officials-say/?intcmp=hplnws

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Re: Russia - Should We Be Alarmed Yet? :)
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2015, 04:23:31 PM »
Doesn't it seem that about every time we "turn around", there is a new News report about anther "strong-arming" move be Russia.
Not really. :)

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So, now Russia is going to be supporting in Syria/Assad, while Obama and his minions are supporting the fighters fighting to overthrow Assad?? ?? Now isn't that just a brilliant situation
we find ourselves in, under this President...........again!!
Well, at least Russia supports their allies, while with the US we never know if they are supporting their allies or their enemies.  :P

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"It's beginning to look like Crimyria," the official told Fox News.
"Crimyria"? ???

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« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2015, 05:31:06 PM »
Good!  Maybe Russia can clean up Syria so all those Refuges flooding into Europe can go back home :P

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« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2015, 06:18:21 PM »
Will this arrogance of US foreign policy ever stop?  They wasted billions and countless lives in Vietnam for nothing and lost. Same with Iraq. Same (soon) with Afghanistan.   They ruined Libya for no good reason - and now Europe is getting stuck with the refugees.  If ever there was a world power that Should Not Be Allowed to intervene in anything, it's the US.  They f**k up everything they get entangled with - and thank heavens many Americans are waking up to this mess. The British (see J. Corbyn) seem to be waking up too.

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« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2015, 07:17:12 PM »
Sounds like a win situation for the U.S.

Pay AlqISIS to overthrow Assad AND start working away at Russian forces without having to get dirt on their hands.  :P

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« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2015, 09:42:01 PM »
Would initially Russia be their to try to protect Assad from being over thrown by Alq/Isis..

Not sure how big Alq/ Issis are in Syria... or how big the two combined Forces of Syria and Russia would be to oppose them.

But yes, it may well be that it ties Russia up in a conflict...to benefit the USA  if that is something that they planned or may have some benefits from other than just their past despise for each other.

or were the USA initially planning sending their forces over there and if so who in favor off if they did ?

was it to support the opposing side of Assad ???
and are were have they sent or prepared any forces
to go over..

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while Obama and his minions are supporting the fighters fighting to overthrow Assad



I am not really sure about the full details of what its all about in regards to Syria if the situation is classed as a Civil war . or who sides who for sure or if there is some deceipt going on by who ever or maybe all  in some way !...

 I assume its a religious thing with Muslems and other religions within Syria along with the Islamic state?  Russia will side on...What ever side Assad is on I suspect.




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Russia says the Syrian government must be incorporated into a shared global fight against Islamic State, the Islamist group that has taken over large parts of Syria and Iraq. The United States and Assad's regional foes see him as part of the problem.

"We would welcome constructive Russian contributions to the counter-ISIL effort, but we've been clear that it would be unconscionable for any party, including the Russians, to provide any support to the Assad regime," White House spokesman Eric Schultz said, using an acronym for Islamic State.


Assad's forces have faced big setbacks on the battlefield in a four-year-old multi-sided civil war that has killed 250,000 people and driven half of Syria's 23 million people from their homes.

http://news.yahoo.com/syrian-official-says-russian-experts-expand-presence-124536285.html

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Sounds like a win situation for the U.S.

Pay AlqISIS to overthrow Assad AND start working away at Russian forces without having to get dirt on their hands.
« Last Edit: September 09, 2015, 10:06:37 PM by astr0144 »

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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2015, 05:17:29 AM »
Observe the insanity.  Remember the Al-Queda guys who hate and threaten the US? And supposedly did 9/11?  Well, the US Elite want to support them against Assad - whose nation has never attacked or threatened us (or even could).

We observe Iran fighting ISIS but, no, somehow that's wrong (????!!!)  The Elite have a bizarre obsession with attacking Syria - a mostly useless patch of desert.  Where is the obsession with the emerging fact that, for the first time in my life, the US is failing to 'hand over' the economy to the next generation?  Debt-laden college kids living in mom's basement with crappy jobs amidst fading infrastructure. 

Come back in a decade or so and note the careers that never were, the families never started, the marriages avoided and debts piled up.  But we sure policed the world, didn't we?

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Re: Russia - Should We Be Alarmed Yet? :)
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2015, 04:49:39 AM »


alarmed ?  ?   hell yes





Russian Military Uses Syria as Proving Ground, and West Takes Notice



The New York Times
By STEVEN LEE MYERS and ERIC SCHMITT
10 hrs ago

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-military-uses-syria-as-proving-ground-and-west-takes-notice/ar-AAfsDjh?li=AAa0dzB&OCID=msnHomepage#image=1

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Re: Russia - Should We Be Alarmed Yet? :)
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2015, 06:06:10 AM »

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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2015, 02:51:23 PM »
Another funny thing about this...if the masses were paying attention they would realize that Al Qaeda with the help of the US was originally against the Assad regime. THEN the "Moderate Rebels" tried to fight Al Qaeda and take back their way of life which didn't work out so well. Now they claim they are arming the "Moderate Rebels" to help overthrow Assad. So I guess the term "Moderate Rebels" can mean what ever they want. ISIS, Al Qaeda, Al Nusra, Kurdish Rebels, or other un affiliated mercenaries. Would the REAL moderate rebels please raise your hand? (I suspect they ALL just raised their hand.)


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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2015, 02:56:31 PM »
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The Russian Foreign Ministry has questioned the effectiveness of the US-led year-long air campaign in Syria, saying it’s unclear “why the results of so many combat sorties are so insignificant.” Failing to curb ISIS, the US has now “adjusted” its program.


“We have very few specifics which could explain what the US is exactly doing in Syria and why the results of so many combat sorties are so insignificant,” Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov told Russian channel NTV. “With, as far as I know, 25,000 sorties they [US-led air campaign] could have smashed the entire [country of] Syria into smithereens,” the minister noted.

Lavrov questioned the Western coalition’s objectives in their air campaign, stressing that Washington must decide whether its aim is to eliminate the jihadists or to use extremist forces to pursue its own political agenda.

“Maybe their stated goal is not entirely sincere? Maybe it is regime change?” Lavrov said, as he expressed doubts that weapons and munitions supplied by the US to the so-called “moderate Syrian opposition” will end up in terrorists’ hands.

“I want to be honest, we barely have any doubt that at least a considerable part of these weapons will fall into the terrorists’ hands,” Lavrov said.

http://www.walzar.com/lavrov-unclear-what-exactly-us-is-doing-in-syria-why-results-so-insignificant/

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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2015, 03:01:34 PM »
Hmmm...considerable amount like this?

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The U.S. Government Supplied ISIS’ Iconic Pickup Trucks

Posted on October 12, 2015 by WashingtonsBlog   
 

U.S. counter-terror officials have launched an investigation into how ISIS got so many of those identical Toyota pickup trucks which they use in their convoys.

They don’t have to look very far …

The Spectator reported last year:


The [Toyota] Hilux [pics] is light, fast, manoeuvrable and all but indestructible (‘bomb-proof’ might not, in this instance, be a happy usage).  The weapons experts Jane’s claimed for the Hilux a similar significance to the longbows of Agincourt or the Huey choppers of Nam. A US Army Ranger said the Toyota sure ‘kicks the hell out of a Humvee’ (referring to the clumsy and over-sized High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle made by AM General).

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The fact is the Toyotas were supplied by the US government to the Al Nusra Front as ‘non-lethal aid’ then ‘acquired’ by ISIS.

Al Nusra Front is literally Al Qaeda.

Public Radio International – an American public radio outlet – also documented a specific shipment of Toyotas by the U.S. State Department in 2014:


Recently, when the US State Department resumed sending non-lethal aid to Syrian rebels, the delivery list included 43 Toyota trucks.

Hiluxes were on the Free Syrian Army’s wish list. Oubai Shahbander, a Washington-based advisor to the Syrian National Coalition, is a fan of the truck.

“Specific equipment like the Toyota Hiluxes are what we refer to as force enablers for the moderate opposition forces on the ground,” he adds. Shahbander says the US-supplied pickups will be delivering troops and supplies into battle. Some of the fleet will even become battlefield weapons.

That’s exactly what happened …

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/10/the-u-s-government-supplied-isis-iconic-pickup-trucks.html

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« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2015, 07:35:23 PM »
Uh oh :o

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Putin to Muslim Turkish Ambassador: “Tell your dictator President he can go to hell along with…”

Putin has personally sent a message to the Turkish ambassador to Moscow, Mr Ümit Yardim, and warned him that Russia will stop any relationships unless the Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdo?an stops supporting ISIS terrorists in Syria.
   
According to The leaked information obtained by The Moscow Times, the meeting between the Mr.Purin and Turkish ambassador was imbued with intense mutual resentment where Mr. Yardim has repudiated all Russian accusations, laying blame on Russia for Syria’s bitter and protracted civil war.

“..then tell your dictator president he can go to hell along with his ISIS terrorist and I shall make Syria to nothing but a ‘Big Stalingrad’ , for Erdo?an and his Saudi allies are no vicious than Adolf Hitler,”

replied Vladimir Putin in the 2-hour closed door meeting with Turkish emissary.

http://conservativepost.com/putin-to-muslim-turkish-ambassador-tell-your-dictator-president-he-can-go-to-hell-along-with/



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« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2015, 08:32:55 AM »
Well, I would say that was a very clear message....no double speak there!
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« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2015, 12:26:12 PM »
Can we get Putin for President in 2016? :P


 


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