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Re: Poland looking into report of Nazi treasure train found
« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2015, 05:38:59 AM »
Does anyone recognize the symbol on the train?



That may be a clue. :)

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Re: Poland looking into report of Nazi treasure train found
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2015, 01:17:00 PM »


ArMaP 
 that small pic is too dark but I am thinking it is the triangle under the line and setting sun symbol on the side of the train  which looks way too pristine to have been there long

and I agree with the list from SerpUKhovian


and I can't see what is written in the triangle




but the germans were into astrology so here's my two cents

this is the symbol for libra




this is the elemental symbol for air  (which rules libra)



Duration (tropical, western) 23 September – 23 October (2015, UTC)
Sign ruler?: ?Venus

does it mean anything at all...maybe  a symbol of the guy doing the photoshop..or a group who are out to mess with your brain
or nothing at all


I vote for someone/s just messing around  :( 


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Re: Poland looking into report of Nazi treasure train found
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2015, 02:14:26 PM »
Another strange thing is the focus on the first photo, as it looks like the ceiling is out of focus but the whole train is in focus.


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Re: Poland looking into report of Nazi treasure train found
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2015, 05:10:00 PM »


can anyone make out the dates (?) in the bottom corner ?

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Re: Poland looking into report of Nazi treasure train found
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2015, 05:25:12 PM »

can anyone make out the dates (?) in the bottom corner ?
On the image on my previous post it looks like 05.09.2015.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2015, 05:27:25 PM by ArMaP »

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Re: Poland looking into report of Nazi treasure train found
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2015, 07:29:01 AM »
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nazi-gold-train-investigators-start-excavating-site-in-poland/ar-CC6h1t?li=AAa0dzB

The Guardian

Alex Duval Smith in Lower Silesia
1 hr ago

'Nazi gold train' investigators start excavating site in Poland




© Provided by Guardian News The underground galleries of Nazi Germany‘s ‘Project Riese’ construction project under the Ksiaz castle in Walbrzych, Poland.

Excavators are set to start examining a railway embankment in south-western Poland to establish how to dig out a legendary “gold train” that is thought to have been buried there in the dying days of the Third Reich.

The existence of a Nazi gold train, its whereabouts and its cargo – possibly stolen valuables and artworks – remain one of the great unsolved mysteries of the second world war.

“In the past 70 years, three cold war secret services – the United States, the Russian, then the Polish – carried out searches,’’ said Piotr Koper, a 44-year-old builder who claims to have found the suspected armoured train with a fellow treasure hunter. “We succeeded because we are local people.’’

Some historians believe up to three trains laden with arms, art, gold and archives vanished in a 18 sq mile (30 sq km) radius near the present Czech border as the Red Army advanced in 1945. The strategic area includes Hitler’s command post at the grandiose Ksiaz castle (formerly known as Fürstenstein) and Project Riese, a suspected secret weapons programme.

Project Riese was a network of underground tunnels and chambers dug out beneath the Owl Mountains by an estimated 30,000 prisoners of war and concentration camp prisoners. The earth embankment that will be surveyed this week by teams including one from Krakow’s mining academy rises up alongside the existing Wroclaw-Walbrzych railway line.
The underground galleries of Nazi Germany‘s ‘Project Riese’ construction project under the Ksiaz castle in Walbrzych, Poland. Photograph: Janek Skarzynski/AFP/Getty Images
It will be checked with magnetic field detectors, thermal imaging cameras and radars. The site, on the outskirts of Walbrzych, has been under police guard since August when Koper and his friend, German-born Andreas Richter, showed the authorities images they had taken with a £7,000 ground-penetrating radar kit.

“Four years ago, we were given information by a witness who was in Walbrzych at the time the train disappeared in April 1945. Radar technology has become affordable so we were able to check the information,’’ said Koper, who would not reveal if he knew anything about the hiding places of the other two supposed trains.

“The Nazis dug out the embankment, created a junction and laid track to divert the train off to the side. Then they parked the train, which is 90 metres long, removed the rails and put back the soil,’’ said Koper.

Since August, the Polish military has cleared vegetation from an area the size of a football pitch. Soldiers have swept for mines and analysed the ground for the presence of poison gas. During the holocaust, Zyklon B – for use in gas chambers – is believed to have been transported on the line.

The treasure hunters’ images show only the outline of what appears to be a train. “We do not know what is inside, only that it is armoured, which suggests a precious cargo,’’ says Koper. ‘’There could be gold but that is not what interests us. In fact, we were looking for a tunnel when we found the train.’’

The men have hired a lawyer and applied to the Polish treasury for a reward of 10% of the eventual value of the train and its contents. “We have worked four for years to get to the bottom of legends that have flown around our city for 70 years. It has become a fascination,’’ says Koper who adds that he and Richter are well out of pocket for having self-funded all their research.

But others in Walbrzych, a depressed coal mining town with smog-stained blocks of flats and 20% unemployment, are already cashing in. Initial reports of the discovery, in August, brought a stream of tourists bearing metal detectors.

Walbrzych now has a Gold Train Car Wash, a Gold Train Skoda dealership, a ‘Gold’ bar and a line in souvenirs including fridge magnets, stickers, bags and gold ingot paperweights. At the city’s museum, there is a waiting list for Gold Train mugs.

“I’m no Indiana Jones,’’ said the district governor, Jacek Cichura, “but my colleagues in the rest of Poland now call me the Gold Governor. We are in a special economic zone. Life is tough. The young people are leaving to work abroad. But the gold train has brought a tourism boom.’’

The influx of visitors is being felt across the district - from the towering Ksiaz Castle to the mist-clad Owl Mountains 10 miles (15km) to the south. According to local legend, the Führer’s castle lair is linked by at least one secret tunnel to Walbrzych and onwards to Project Riese’s underground network. Riese means giant in German and this was where Hitler’s ‘’Wunderwaffe’’ (magic weapons) were supposedly under development.

It is unclear to what extent the underground mega city and arms factory actually functioned and how much of what we know is simply surviving propaganda. But for the past 12 years, carpenter Krzysztof Szpakowski, 56, has dowsed his way to uncovering thousands of metres of passages dynamited into the pine-clad Owl Mountains. Some tunnels are flooded but in others he has found German machine guns and prisoner-of-war graffiti.

An eclectic mix of visitors – from militaria maniacs to bat fanciers – signs up for his guided tours. But Szpakowski himself has the exploration bug. He broke his arm last week when he slipped in one of the Riese’s dank, eerie tunnels.

“This was a closed military area – first Russian, then Polish – until 1991. The soldiers were looking for something. When I was a teenager we knew something had gone on here. But there was no one to ask because all the (German) residents were shipped out of the area and replaced by Poles after the Potsdam Agreement.’’

Szpakowski, Koper and Richter collaborate in their treasure-hunting by lending each other equipment. But they have different views of what is on board the “gold train’’. Szpakowski believes it contains top secret strategic equipment.

He said: ‘’The Nazis wanted to develop an atomic bomb. They were working on anti-gravity propulsion. There is something on that train that was intended for Riese. We only know 5% of what went on in this part of the world,’’ he said.




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and for those curious about history



https://history.state.gov/milestones/1937-1945/potsdam-conf

Milestones: 1937–1945


The Potsdam Conference, 1945

The Big Three—Soviet leader Joseph Stalin, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill (replaced on July 26 by Prime Minister Clement Attlee), and U.S. President Harry Truman—met in Potsdam, Germany, from July 17 to August 2, 1945, to negotiate terms for the end of World War II. After the Yalta Conference of February 1945, Stalin, Churchill, and U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt had agreed to meet following the surrender of Germany to determine the postwar borders in Europe. Germany surrendered on May 8, 1945, and the Allied leaders agreed to meet over the summer at Potsdam to continue the discussions that had begun at Yalta. Although the Allies remained committed to fighting a joint war in the Pacific, the lack of a common enemy in Europe led to difficulties reaching consensus concerning postwar reconstruction on the European continent.

Soviet Leader Joseph Stalin and President Harry Truma



The major issue at Potsdam was the question of how to handle Germany. At Yalta, the

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Re: Poland looking into report of Nazi treasure train found
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2015, 07:39:40 AM »
Lets see what theyh find, and if they publish it.

btw, the images are faked. Cant find the site that fast. But its a nice HOAX.

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Re: Poland looking into report of Nazi treasure train found
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2015, 07:44:19 AM »


Lunica
I don't think that is a faked photo.. so much as just a tunnel aready known under the castle..
which is how it is labeled

and with as much publicity as they have already I think we will hear more..maybe we will even hear the truth..but who knows  ::)

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Re: Poland looking into report of Nazi treasure train found
« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2015, 07:51:13 AM »

Lunica
I don't think that is a faked photo.. so much as just a tunnel aready known under the castle..
which is how it is labeled

and with as much publicity as they have already I think we will hear more..maybe we will even hear the truth..but who knows  ::)

Sorry, I ment the photos I posted earlier of the so called train with the silver bars.  8)

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Re: Poland looking into report of Nazi treasure train found
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2015, 03:32:16 PM »

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/no-evidence-of-nazi-gold-train/ar-BBnA2dP?li=BBnbfcL
BBC News
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'No evidence' of Nazi gold train

There is no evidence that a Nazi train rumoured to be carrying gems and gold has been found in Poland, experts say.

Researchers presenting findings about the alleged discovery in the Polish town of Walbrzych said there might be a tunnel but no train.

However, one of those who claimed to have found the train said he still believed it was there.

It was claimed that the train was hidden underground near Wroclaw as Soviet forces approached in 1945.

The Nazis had many miles of tunnels constructed near Walbrzych during World War Two.

In August, Deputy Culture Minister Piotr Zuchowski said that ground-penetrating radar images had left him "99% convinced" that a German military train was buried near Walbrzych.

He said images appeared to show a train equipped with gun turrets.

But on Tuesday, Professor Janusz Madej from Krakow's Academy of Mining said its geological survey of the site had found no evidence of a train.

"There may be a tunnel. There is no train," he told a press conference in Walbrzych.

Local folklore said an armoured train had been carrying gold from what is now the Polish city of Wroclaw as the Soviet army closed in at the end of World War Two.

It was said to have gone missing near Ksiaz castle, 3km (two miles) from Walbrzych.

Earlier this year, Piotr Koper, from Poland, and Andreas Richter, from Germany, told authorities that they knew the location of the train.

Through lawyers, they said that they wanted 10% of the value of anything that was found.

At the news conference on Tuesday, Mr Koper questioned the survey methodology and said he still believed the train was there.


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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35104117

Nazi gold train: 'No evidence' of discovery in Poland


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Geologists examined the site where the train was rumoured to be buried

There is no evidence that a Nazi train rumoured to be carrying gems and gold has been found in Poland, experts say.

Researchers presenting findings about the alleged discovery in the Polish town of Walbrzych said there might be a tunnel but no train.

However, one of those who claimed to have discovered the train said he still believed it was there.

It was claimed that the train was hidden underground near Wroclaw as Soviet forces approached in 1945.

The Nazis had many miles of tunnels constructed near Walbrzych during World War Two.




In August, Deputy Culture Minister Piotr Zuchowski said that ground-penetrating radar images had left him "99% convinced" that a German military train was buried near Walbrzych.

He said images appeared to show a train equipped with gun turrets.

But on Tuesday, Professor Janusz Madej from Krakow's Academy of Mining said its geological survey of the site had found no evidence of a train.

"There may be a tunnel. There is no train," he told a press conference in Walbrzych.



AFP

Many tunnels dating from World War Two have been found near Walbrzych

Local folklore said an armoured train had been carrying gold from what is now the Polish city of Wroclaw as the Soviet army closed in at the end of World War Two.

It was said to have gone missing near Ksiaz castle, 3km (two miles) from Walbrzych.

Earlier this year, Piotr Koper, from Poland, and Andreas Richter, from Germany, told authorities that they knew the location of the train.

Through lawyers, they said that they wanted 10% of the value of anything that was found.

At the news conference on Tuesday, Mr Koper questioned the survey methodology and said he still believed the train was there.

Information about the train's location was reported to have come in a deathbed confession from a person who claimed they had helped to conceal it.

Between 1943 and 1945, the Nazis forced prisoners of war to dig more than 9km of tunnels near Walbrzych that were apparently to be used as factories. Some are now tourist attractions.




More on this story
 Poland's 'Nazi gold train' find: Myth and reality 
20 August 2015



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Re: Poland looking into report of Nazi treasure train found
« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2016, 08:29:51 PM »


good episode of Josh Gates tonight about this..and no they didn't find it but very interesting  trip into the mountian from the other side
the condition of the tunnels is awesome and knowing it was done with slave labor blows you away at the horror of it all






here's the info if you can catch it i think it was worth the hour


http://www.travelchannel.com/shows/expedition-unknown

http://www.travelchannel.com/shows/expedition-unknown/episodes

http://www.travelchannel.com/shows/expedition-unknown/episodes/nazi-gold-part-1

Josh Gates travels to Europe to expose the last, and darkest, secrets of the Nazi empire.

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