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Re: How to Withdraw Consent
« Reply #30 on: April 23, 2015, 02:55:19 PM »
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What would We replace the psychopath’s ladder on controlmind with?  Perhaps We should look to how societies in nature govern themselves…  In nature, societies all have autonomous Individuals that, based on seed parameters, react and respond to information Each encounters.  This is called stigmergy.  Rather than constrict Our natural stigmergy with a top-down system of psychopaths pushing Us around, We should solve problems within the three Laws of Ethics, bottom up.  The development of the interweb has given Us an avenue to that approach on a planetary scale.

We already have an alternative to the system..it is called "The Animal kingdom" and they too have rules and leaders as well as psychopaths. To develop a new society once again bound by laws makes it no different than current society. Someone MUST ENFORCE which typically will lead to some sort of psychopath getting a position of power once again. You can withdraw your consent to be governed but you can not withdraw your consent to live on someone else's land as there would be no place on earth you could go to live that is not claimed.

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Re: How to Withdraw Consent
« Reply #31 on: April 23, 2015, 03:11:38 PM »
as there would be no place on earth you could go to live that is not claimed.

Note quite true :P  Back when I was a kid Canada gave away land for FREE so long as you built something on it and homesteaded it.  We still own that cottage (self built 4 bedroom house really with an addition mine property we claimed by my sister building on it :P

Today Canad is opening the Yukon  Free Crown Land

Canada’s last homesteaders: How determined pioneers turn the Yukon’s wild Crown land into successful farms

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadas-last-homesteaders-how-determined-pioneers-turn-the-yukons-wild-crown-land-into-successful-farms
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Re: How to Withdraw Consent
« Reply #32 on: April 23, 2015, 03:20:59 PM »
This one is smaller than ours but the same land deal  Nice miles of empty forests withe deer and free fish



We do pay some taxes because we opted in to have a road and power lines put in  :D A dirt road is a little easier than going three miles over the lake from the highway access marina


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Re: How to Withdraw Consent
« Reply #33 on: April 23, 2015, 03:47:10 PM »
Note quite true :P  Back when I was a kid Canada gave away land for FREE so long as you built something on it and homesteaded it.  We still own that cottage (self built 4 bedroom house really with an addition mine property we claimed by my sister building on it :P

Today Canad is opening the Yukon  Free Crown Land

Canada’s last homesteaders: How determined pioneers turn the Yukon’s wild Crown land into successful farms

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadas-last-homesteaders-how-determined-pioneers-turn-the-yukons-wild-crown-land-into-successful-farms

Heh...that's to suck you in once your there...your screwed.

Quoted from the article you posted:
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It is a years-long process, he emphasized, heartily denying you are getting “free land.”

“There’s nothing free about it at all. If you’ve got to pay $100,000 for $100,000 of assessed land, that’s not free,” he said.

He also warned off any enthusiastic rookies heading up to the Yukon with designs on a 21st-century homestead. “Your chances of doing it as Joe Blow off the street are really slim,” he said.

A lot of that land is still up in arms over land claim disputes between various first nations groups and the crown as well.

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Re: How to Withdraw Consent
« Reply #34 on: April 24, 2015, 10:50:14 AM »
LOL well nothing is FREE :P There is always a cost in some form

We lucked out on that cottage deal...  but we had to but the materials then rent old wooden boats and haul all that material across three miles of lake.  I have a picture somewhere in an old album of one trip when the boats sank :P  We had three wooden rowboats tied together as a raft for the big timbers The filled with water but since the were wood the whole thing still floated and that old 7.5 Scott outboard got us there :D

Yeah homesteading the Yukon would be real tough for you average city slicker :P  It was though enough for us on that lake.

But seriously Canada still has a lot of vacant land  They could easily do the Homesteading again  You only have about 40 millionish peeps LOL




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Re: How to Withdraw Consent
« Reply #35 on: April 25, 2015, 10:25:44 AM »
LOL well nothing is FREE :P There is always a cost in some form

We lucked out on that cottage deal...  but we had to but the materials then rent old wooden boats and haul all that material across three miles of lake.  I have a picture somewhere in an old album of one trip when the boats sank :P  We had three wooden rowboats tied together as a raft for the big timbers The filled with water but since the were wood the whole thing still floated and that old 7.5 Scott outboard got us there :D

Yeah homesteading the Yukon would be real tough for you average city slicker :P  It was though enough for us on that lake.

But seriously Canada still has a lot of vacant land  They could easily do the Homesteading again  You only have about 40 millionish peeps LOL

Nothing is free in a system that accounts for Human energy added into the system of accounting for Human energy added.  But We don't have to account for this energy.  Why account for energy when effectively infinite energy is available from the aether?
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Re: How to Withdraw Consent
« Reply #36 on: April 25, 2015, 02:09:46 PM »
Why account for energy when effectively infinite energy is available from the aether?

So you keep saying...

...but WHERE is this  "available infinite energy"?

That it exists is not in question... but that we can and have harnessed it is :P

Until we have that it is all a moot point. I don't believe the Cabal have it hidden because IF they had it it they would exploit it

Simple as that  That is what they do with everything else. is it not?  You really think that if the Greedy Psychopaths had unlimited free energy they would quietly sit on it?  How likely is THAT

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Re: How to Withdraw Consent
« Reply #37 on: April 26, 2015, 08:53:05 AM »
So you keep saying...

...but WHERE is this  "available infinite energy"?

That it exists is not in question... but that we can and have harnessed it is :P

Until we have that it is all a moot point. I don't believe the Cabal have it hidden because IF they had it it they would exploit it

Simple as that  That is what they do with everything else. is it not?  You really think that if the Greedy Psychopaths had unlimited free energy they would quietly sit on it?  How likely is THAT

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And You know that They are NOT exploiting it how?  Maybe They build plants that look like they are conventional but have access to the aether energy, selling it to Us while getting it freely...

Just saying, such is a possibility.
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Re: How to Withdraw Consent
« Reply #38 on: April 26, 2015, 11:45:01 AM »
And You know that They are NOT exploiting it how?  Maybe They build plants that look like they are conventional but have access to the aether energy, selling it to Us while getting it freely...

Because such a scheme as you are suggesting would require hundreds of people involved at all levels. You can not hide such activity because umpteen dozens of engineers would be needed to do the building, and conversion.  You are getting desperate now :P

And you forget one thing...  Hydro Electric power from a dam IS FREE ENERGY...  so they are already getting it free and selling it to us

A Hydro electric dam works by GRAVITY as water flows downhill and spins a magnet in some copper wires, pulling electrons out of the aether.  You couls make 10 dams in a row on a river that has one dam.  Using the same free water 10 times and creating 10 times the power.

Its all FREE  but someone has to build the dam, someone has to build the transformers and someone has to build the grid that sends it to your house  THAT is what they are selling you

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Just saying, such is a possibility.

Possible perhaps on a small scale where it can be kept secret but you forget that the Military Industrial machine is the biggest consumer of energy...

If they had such devices as you claim WHY are bases like NELLIS and KIRTLAND building huge solar arrays and using that for power? Even then it only provides a portion of what they need? 

Why go to the expense? To keep up appearances? Well no because the general public doesn't even know they have these solar arrays. And they cost a fortune to build and maintain.  So no they do not have any large scale functional free energy device.

Sorry but that is just basic logic... and secrets rarely last more than 30 years anyway because something new comes along.

A good example is the NASA tether experiment that cause so much fuss by attracting CRITTERS  So much fuss in fact that people didn't even notice the tether and what it meant,  and they didn't notice that the NAVY had a second tether up there that was successful for two years at the same time and they were firing lasers at it in studies to beam power via lasers.  We even showed you the SELENE laser that has the power to beam energy to the moon enough to support a colony

EG is a mere footnote in Military circles. Hal Puthoff says it is a dead end  TT Brown told Hal Puthoff not to watse his time because it is a dead end.  All the main research today is focused on Plasma and Fusion (mainly HE3 fusion which is safe and efficient.

Even the Shiva Nova monster laser at LLNL is focusing all that energy on Fusion, trying to create a small controllable star. Sandi Labs has the Z Machine (the one that glows like Aristarchus Crater :P ) it too is a Fusion device

They would not waste BILLIONS of dollars seeking energy by making jet fuel from seawater, fusion reactors, high powered lasers that transmit power, alternative synthetic oil, massive solar arrays etc etc IF they had a working Free Energy device...


The Military Mind has ALWAYS exploited what it finds long before its properly tested  And even the Atom Bomb was only secret for a relatively short time. It is hard to hide energy of that immensity :P

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Re: How to Withdraw Consent
« Reply #39 on: April 27, 2015, 10:18:19 PM »
Because such a scheme as you are suggesting would require hundreds of people involved at all levels. You can not hide such activity because umpteen dozens of engineers would be needed to do the building, and conversion.  You are getting desperate now :P

Like They didn't hide the Manhattan project...  Or the depth of research into electrogravitics... Or umpteen gillion other black projects We know nothing about.  Gotcha!

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And you forget one thing...  Hydro Electric power from a dam IS FREE ENERGY...  so they are already getting it free and selling it to us

BIG difference between a community project dam and a machine You can plug into anywhere and have Your free enregy flowing.

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If they had such devices as you claim WHY are bases like NELLIS and KIRTLAND building huge solar arrays and using that for power? Even then it only provides a portion of what they need? 

To hide a black project?  Possible.

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Why go to the expense? To keep up appearances? Well no because the general public doesn't even know they have these solar arrays. And they cost a fortune to build and maintain.  So no they do not have any large scale functional free energy device.

So say You.  [smile]  I'm not saying They DO.  I'm saying there is some probability that They do.  Because I know it's possible, and with money, anything possible can be done.  And why?  Because it's VERY, EXTREMELY important that We do not get free energy because that means the end of power over Us.

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Sorry but that is just basic logic... and secrets rarely last more than 30 years anyway because something new comes along.

Not really...

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The Military Mind has ALWAYS exploited what it finds long before its properly tested  And even the Atom Bomb was only secret for a relatively short time. It is hard to hide energy of that immensity :P

What's that got to do with it...?
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Re: How to Withdraw Consent
« Reply #40 on: April 28, 2015, 06:53:30 AM »
....with money, anything possible can be done.  And why?  Because it's VERY, EXTREMELY important that We do not get free energy because that means the end of power over Us.
It is certainly true that the hold of the wealthy over the few would be weakened if we had access to "free energy" but there is something else even more important regarding the secrecy.

If the technology of "free energy" gives access to unlimited energy/power what other consequences would there be?

{Clue: What if ISIL had access to unlimited energy/power?}

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Re: How to Withdraw Consent
« Reply #41 on: April 28, 2015, 05:38:25 PM »
Like They didn't hide the Manhattan project...

Only a small handful of people knew what that was about...

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Or the depth of research into electrogravitics...

All the old material on that has been available for decades in public domain, yet even Linda's crew can't make it work :P Everyone looks at the Philadelphia Experiment and says AH HA!!!  but they have no idea what really happened :D

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What's that got to do with it...?

Everything... it is the key point... IF they had it THEY would use it without hesitation

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Re: How to Withdraw Consent
« Reply #42 on: April 28, 2015, 06:02:18 PM »
If the technology of "free energy" gives access to unlimited energy/power what other consequences would there be?
{Clue: What if ISIL had access to unlimited energy/power?}

That is a good point

If EVERYONE had access to unlimited FREE ENERGY what is to stop those that have the control today from using that energy to do evil deeds? After all they have a head start.

And free (or dirt cheap) energy will not change everything, certainly not over night. It will merely shift control to something else


But there is more  and I would support THIS reason to control 'free energy' in th eform of Tesla Towers...


It is all well and good to say "Hey Tesla had the answer free wireless towers!!!  But they are suppressing it!!!

Oldly enough those same people are dead set against microwave towers and cell towers that are polluting the airwaves and frying our brains.

Now Tesla's Towers were generators that would convert electricity to RADIO WAVES... these radio waves would have to be in the form of MICROWAVES just like our high definition signals of today for TV Radio and cell phones are.

Now despite the fact that New Agers and Free Energy nuts are trying hard to ignore real science :P the fact is that to transmit the amount of power that we would need today for an average household, never mind industrial use. would be measured in Gigawatts or higher.

Just imagine all the towers needed beaming deadly microwaves all over the world so you can tap that power for free

Nevermind the cost of building the towers and generators, never mind the cost of building the receivers and converters INITIALLY... even IF these were all free or in place... you still have the issue of gigawatts of microwaves beaming around the cities,.

And yawl thought the radiation from a smart meter was bad  LMAO

This is why Tesla Towers are never going to be built  Simple as that. You cannot magically erase the effects of transmission.

Just take a fluorescent tube near a radio or microwave tower and hold it up.  Or take it near some high voltage transmission lines

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You can actually make a device that taps the electricity from power lnes LOL But that is stealling :P

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So while beaming free energy around the planet using Tesla Tech  you will actually fry people in a not so slow cooker.

Funny how no one looks at the consequences :D

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Re: How to Withdraw Consent
« Reply #43 on: April 29, 2015, 04:23:07 AM »
Amy, I would genuinely like an answer to this question.  If you can't address this then I suggest you revise your position, pronto.

It is certainly true that the hold of the wealthy over the few would be weakened if we had access to "free energy" but there is something else even more important regarding the secrecy.

If the technology of "free energy" gives access to unlimited energy/power what other consequences would there be?

{Clue: What if ISIL had access to unlimited energy/power?}


And if the answer is that ISIL could build and use apocalyptic weapons and destroy all infidels (anyone who is not a Sunni Muslim) then do you still want free energy available to these people?  If not what is your solution?

No easy answer to that one in my opinion.  I say "they" do not have one either.  Explains why PRC are so closely watched and why we need to be secretive ourselves if we are getting close to the holy grail.

Reality check!


ETA:  PWM is not close. :P
« Last Edit: April 29, 2015, 04:26:34 AM by Pimander »

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Re: How to Withdraw Consent
« Reply #44 on: April 29, 2015, 05:44:37 AM »
I've said it before and I'll say it again..
Humanity is already on the road for Nuclear War or WORSE.
We've already destroyed our eco systems beyond repair for the next few thousand years. 
This talk about secrecy to protect us from the bad guys is BS IMO.
Worlds already in the hands of the evil people.

And don't forget, we're talking scientific and technological advancement - not just any idiot can create and implement this tech.

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Reality check!

IF ISIS were handed the blue prints for free energy right this very moment, they wouldn't get very far with them.

They'd be too busy shooting at each other for possession of the documents rather than implementing the documents   ::)

It's hypocritical to even presume we have any idea who's hands this technology belongs in..
Look what happened when the Americans got the A bomb. Was it really in the right hands then?

Mind you, I think we've had this debate before and some of you turned out to be mass murders at heart  :o

Z wants top obliterate the Middle East, I don't know if his fellow RC brothers share the same sentiment..
But I don't think I'd trust them lot with free energy devices either..

So who decides who gets what?
« Last Edit: April 29, 2015, 05:52:55 AM by Sinny »
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