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Offline zorgon

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A Plane crashed into the Pentagon?
« on: February 04, 2015, 08:03:18 PM »
A Plane crashed into the Pentagon?

The recent plane crash in Taiwan illustrates an interesting perspective...



This is the plane

ATR 72-202
Length: 27.17 m (89 ft 2 in)
Wingspan: 27.05 m (88 ft 9 in)



Boeing 757-223
155 ft 3 in (47.32 m)
124 ft 10 in (38.05 m)



The comparison above shows the sheer size we are talking an that one is half the size.  It is hitting the highway taking out street lamps like was claimed at the Pentagon
« Last Edit: February 04, 2015, 08:05:10 PM by zorgon »

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Re: A Plane crashed into the Pentagon?
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2015, 08:15:14 PM »
A lot of the 9/11 official story smells a funny colour.  Why a false funny coloured flag - if that is what it was - had to be so evil is hard to contemplate.  The fact that British, French and US intelligence are so strongly linked to ISIS/ISIL's emergence also makes me wince.  It is a nasty business!

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Re: A Plane crashed into the Pentagon?
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2015, 09:02:58 PM »
I really don't understand how eye witness testimony of a plane hitting the Pentagon is so easily discarded! Hundreds of people actually saw the plane! I'm sorry but holograms and dimensional shifts and evil men in black suits just giesnt cut it for me. Everything is not a conspiracy! IMHO Q clearance and all! ;)
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Re: A Plane crashed into the Pentagon?
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2015, 09:16:05 PM »
It was the stuff involving building 7 that I found suspicious, or I would never have questioned a thing.

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7 Facts about Building 7

1) If fire caused Building 7 to collapse, it would be the first ever fire-induced collapse of a steel-frame high-rise.

2) Building 7’s collapse was not mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report.

3) According to a Zogby poll in 2006, 43% of Americans did not know about Building 7.

4) It took the federal government seven years to conduct an investigation and issue a report for Building 7.

5) 1,700+ architects and engineers have signed a petition calling for a new investigation into the destruction of Building 7, specifying that it should include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives.

6) Numerous witnesses say the possibility of demolishing Building 7 was widely discussed by emergency personnel at the scene and advocated by the building’s owner.

7) Building 7 housed several intelligence and law enforcement agencies, and the NYC Office of Emergency Management’s Emergency Operations Center, more commonly known as “Giuliani’s Bunker”.
http://rememberbuilding7.org/7-facts-about-building-7/

I have also heard witnesses say they heard explosions in building 7 while being evacuated.  Smells a funny colour to me.


ETA:  I agree that not everything is a conspiracy.  On the other hand there are many conspiracies and it does not have to be one that links them all - which many "conspiracy theorists" try to do with frequently hilarious results. ;)
« Last Edit: February 04, 2015, 09:19:29 PM by Pimander »

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Re: A Plane crashed into the Pentagon?
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2015, 04:26:35 AM »
The comparison above shows the sheer size we are talking an that one is half the size.  It is hitting the highway taking out street lamps like was claimed at the Pentagon
I don't think it's a good comparison, because of several things; the aeroplane in Taiwan was closer to the camera, the quality of the camera is higher in this new video (as expected) and today there are much more cameras than 13 1/2 years ago.

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Re: A Plane crashed into the Pentagon?
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2015, 04:27:56 AM »
I really don't understand how eye witness testimony of a plane hitting the Pentagon is so easily discarded! Hundreds of people actually saw the plane!
The funny thing is that some of the people that ignore the witnesses in that case accept witnesses testimony in other cases.  :P

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Re: A Plane crashed into the Pentagon?
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2015, 05:44:26 AM »
When is a plane not a plane?

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Re: A Plane crashed into the Pentagon?
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2015, 06:00:17 AM »
I really don't understand how eye witness testimony of a plane hitting the Pentagon is so easily discarded! Hundreds of people actually saw the plane! I'm sorry but holograms and dimensional shifts and evil men in black suits just giesnt cut it for me. Everything is not a conspiracy! IMHO Q clearance and all! ;)

Cherry picking.  When you're predisposed to believing "something else" happened, you ignore the proof positive and you cling to tiny fragments that might support your alternate theory, as far flung as it might be.
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Re: A Plane crashed into the Pentagon?
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2015, 06:01:52 AM »
When is a plane not a plane?


When it's Photoshopped? ;)

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Re: A Plane crashed into the Pentagon?
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2015, 06:31:16 AM »





« Last Edit: February 05, 2015, 06:39:54 AM by micjer »
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Re: A Plane crashed into the Pentagon?
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2015, 06:38:47 AM »






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Re: A Plane crashed into the Pentagon?
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2015, 08:05:15 AM »
The funny thing is that some of the people that ignore the witnesses in that case accept witnesses testimony in other cases.  :P
That's why corroborating evidence is vital.  Witnesses can be mistaken.  Memory is effected by what you are told after an event too.

It is easy to see something, then see on TV a report that it was a plane (or UFO).  The report then influences the memory of the witness.  The influence tends to be greater when there is mass hysteria about something (like 9/11 or a UFO wave).

I am not speculating about witness testimony, this has all been proven in scientific research.  SO even though witness testimony is useful, it is also limited.

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Re: A Plane crashed into the Pentagon?
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2015, 09:34:05 AM »
You know its funny when you talk about what people remember on 9/11. About half of my friends and acquaintances say they saw a plane hit the first tower live on TV. Now TV stations didn't start to show live footage of the towers until after the first plane hit. I personally believe that a lot people have false memories of 9/11.
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Re: A Plane crashed into the Pentagon?
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2015, 10:01:51 AM »
Precisely.  What they actually saw was mobile phone footage of the first plane hitting later on in the day after the event.  Initially they saw smoke coming out of the first tower.

I don't know, but is it entirely implausible that people think they saw a plane hit the pentagon because of the hysteria about the planes hitting the twin towers?

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Re: A Plane crashed into the Pentagon?
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2015, 01:01:39 PM »
In the recreation of any scene, it is imperative to take into account
all evidence to determine what really happened.

Eyewittness testimony surrounding 9/11 and The Pentagon is important,
thing is much of it does not support the theory that a plane hit the
building, rather the opposite.

What about building 7, no plane there either....and I think some of the strangest
aspects of all of it was how the Saudi pilots were trained, and those who
were in association with them before 9/11.

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