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Stargates are Real - The Discussion Thread
« on: February 08, 2012, 08:20:54 PM »
At ATS the Stargates are Real thread originally started by Beth (Undo) is now over 310 pages long. During the run of that thread, started in 2006, there have been many changes in servers, both mine and at ATS, ATS changes in formats (particularly image tags), which means a LOT of old data is now missing.

Also information over time has been updated and opinion changed. Add to that the general chit chat and other 'noise' there is a lot of posts that just distract.  In one case we had a troll that caused a 'war that lasted three pages. With ATS policy instead of removing the offending posts, the replace them with a huge violation banner. The end result is three pages of those banners, that stand out like beacons and are even more distracting that the posts were...

and as Beth puts it..

  Undo11

Nicely done, Z!
only thing is, you didn't actually link to the stargates are real thread, just some page that shows most starred/flagged posts.   should probably stick the actual link to the first page of the thread in your post, unless you find it irritating, which i can understand.  it's long, disjointed, spread out, broken links,  arguments, temper tantrums, pitty potting, and various other not so glamorous undo moments.


Well I also reminded her that many people on this forum have been either banned by ATS, quit ATS, or never wanted to have anything to do with ATS in the first place. But it was also because I hadn't started this discussion thread yet either :P

So for those who want to plod through the old thread (as two people recently did) here is the linky. And if you do have a look. don't forget to give it a flag and keep it in the top forums of ATS :D

Stargates are Real - The ATS Thread
Posted on 6-3-2006 @ 12:00 AM

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Re: Stargates are Real - The Discussion Thread
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2012, 08:22:40 PM »
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Okay the name of one of the egyptologists who wrote the original screenplay was omar zudhi, and lookie what i found, a reference to a paper on the biblical exodus written by mr. zudhi.  this means we may be able to track down his other writings and get ahold of him personally!

http://ggreenberg.tripod.com/writings/w-exodus-dating.htm

i found a scribd document that references on his writings called MANETHO

Edit by Zorgon: Removed huge google search link, added original file link. Google links are served from https and not http so don't post properly if you add them directly

KMT: A Modern Journal of Ancient Egypt

oh crap and info on the south wing of seti I's temple at abydos!

info on ramses and the battle at kadesh

when were the mythological papyri composed

megiddo the capture of a thousand towns

a tale of two ahmoses or how began an empire

pharaohs

imperial twilight, end of the egyptian new kingdom

dating the exodus: a study in ancient egyptian chronology

a homeric perspective on merenptah's libyan war

oh boy oh boy :D
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Re: Stargates are Real - The Discussion Thread
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2012, 08:45:44 PM »
Nice... we never did follow up on that Archaeologist after the University said it was settled and they couldn't discuss it. Seems we have a whole bunch of new leads here :D

Manetho

Manetho (or Manethon, Greek) was an Egyptian historian and priest from Sebennytos (ancient Egyptian: Tjebnutjer) who lived during the Ptolemaic era, approximately during the 3rd century BC. Manetho wrote the Aegyptiaca (History of Egypt). His work is of great interest to Egyptologists, and is often used as evidence for the chronology of the reigns of pharaohs.

Manetho

Manetho

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Despite Manetho's importance for the study of the history of Ancient Egypt, nothing much is really known about the man himself. Even the exact meaning of his name has been a point of discussion among Egyptologists and although it is now generally agreed upon that the name "Manetho" comes from the Ancient Egyptian mniw-htr, which means "keeper of the horses", the existence of such a name is not attested by Ancient Egyptian sources.

Manetho lived in Sebennytos, the capital of Egypt during the 30th Dynasty, and was a priest during the reigns of Ptolemy I and Ptolemy II. He is said to have been involved in the creation of the cult of Serapis - a god added to the Egyptian pantheon with both Hellenistic and Egyptian traits during the reign of Ptolemy I -, but this can not be confirmed.

Manetho owes his importance to the fact that he wrote the Aegyptiaca, a collection of three books about the history of Ancient Egypt, commissioned by Ptolemy II in his effort to bring together the Egyptian and Hellenistic cultures.

In order to do so, Manetho had access to the archives of the temple where he served as a priest. Such archives contained a vast number of different kinds of writings, ranging in contents from mythological texts to official records, from magical formulas to scientific treaties. He thus had all the sources he needed to write down the history of his country. With such sources, however, we may not be surprised to find myths and folk-tale mixed with the facts of the Egyptian history.

Manetho

We still need to transfer the gist of the Sumerian Stargate stuff over here... perhaps we can do that in separate threads in Beth's Stargate section... kinda break it up in groups  like one thread with the Sumerian connection and others with additional material so its easier to follow

Thoughts?

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Re: Stargates are Real - The Discussion Thread
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2012, 09:39:56 PM »
we can just direct people to my goofy thread if they want to read my stuff on it.   i like the way this is going and would prefer to just let it be its own thing over there in the place its been for... how many years?  i think most of the people here have read it anyway or at least, as much as they could stand.
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Re: Stargates are Real - The Discussion Thread
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2012, 10:34:26 PM »
we can just direct people to my goofy thread if they want to read my stuff on it.   i like the way this is going and would prefer to just let it be its own thing over there in the place its been for... how many years?  i think most of the people here have read it anyway or at least, as much as they could stand.

LOL! Don't sell yourself short, Undo!
I spent more time on that thread than I did sleeping  ;D

There must have been something that kept me coming back  ;)
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Re: Stargates are Real - The Discussion Thread
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2012, 02:52:26 PM »
as i mentioned earlier, maybe omar is our daniel jackson!
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Re: Stargates are Real - The Discussion Thread
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2012, 03:55:31 PM »
mwahaha!
The court document, Omar vs. Devlin!
http://www.legalmetric.com/cases/copyright/okwd/okwd_595cv00090.html

*big cheese eatin' grin*

no evidence there that they settled out of court, unless i'm misreading it, but can't think of any reason he would dismiss his own case and each side willingly paid their own legal fees unless they had reached a mutual out of court settlement, otherwise, wouldn't they ask the court to have him pay their legal fees for falsely accusing them in the first place?

yepper-roosies, we got it! 

this is a repost from the other stargate the modern evidence, thread.

yehaa. :D

can anybody see the name of the elder egyptologist from john hopkins?  it's supposed to be someone famous in egyptology AT THE TIME of the case.  or is omar the elder, and our real daniel jackson is some undisclosed egyptology person who had omar act in his stead? we need to know!   there's contact info for omar but it looks like his legal email so probably his legal phone too. probably end up with a lawyer who would have to look up the case and tell ya he isn't allowed to say what happened.

hm, lists a bill zuhdi as contact info. that must be omar's lawyer?  well, another lead!  off to search bill zuhdi.

well i found him!  he's a big wig. 
http://www.billzuhdi.com/attorneybio.html
good news is, it gives updated info on his contact email and phone. the one listed in the court documents for omar, is probably too old. 

darn nothing else. there was apparently a facebook on omar and bill at one point, but it's been erased.  says something about them being totally stoked about some lavish gifts or what not, then it cuts off cause it's just the archived intro to the facebook page, and when you click the button to view the cache, it's gone.  they save the little blurbs that show up on google search longer than they do the page itself in the internet caches apparently

got this info on omar off of ats
"Omar Zuhdi has had a passion for ancient Egypt since he was a teenager. He completed a Masters Degree in Egyptology at Johns Hopkins University, where he taught Beginning Egyptian. He is presently teaching Latin and Ancient History at Shawnee High School, Shawnee, Oklahoma."

weird change of venue.  from a masters in egyptology and professor at john hopkins, to a latin teacher in a high school in oklahoma? 

story gets weirder by the second

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread729646/pg8

well i found he has a slide show for ancient civilizations from the shawnee high school . let's dig!
http://www.slideshare.net/drewspen/zuhdi-omar-ancient-civilizations-1982-1983-color-maps-kent-spencer
hrm looks like some guy's notes on the presentation. doh.

omar is mentioned in a book by zahi hawass, found on page 43
http://tinyurl.com/76rbzrc
oh it's just a reference from a book written by omar, that i can't seem to find in the file.

and in something called bibliografie moise
http://www.scribd.com/doc/79125998/bibliografie-Moise

this guy is 60 years old already. 
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Re: Stargates are Real - The Discussion Thread
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2012, 09:20:59 AM »
LOL! Don't sell yourself short, Undo!
I spent more time on that thread than I did sleeping  ;D

There must have been something that kept me coming back  ;)
Yeah, Starwarp, I feel the same way, yet Ive never been on ATS. Undo11 has unleashed a mongoose of truth in my head!
Anyway, it's a real good connect to my Egyptian Historical Theories.
The fact that the movie was contributed to by so many folks like ourselves, is why it was so realistic, and believable. I am now immersing myself in the teachings of the Ancient Egyptians, and the Feather of Life doctrine they lived by.
Philip Coppens, (an online colleague of sorts) had invited me to a seminar in LA,(concious life expo) but I cant make it this year. I think his seminar will have a lot of parallels with this thread and the ideas it presents. If i can, I'll get a copy from him and post it on my blog. Philip is so far ahead of anyone I know on Egyptian history and culture, that I think he may be onto a lot of new stuff here in the near future.

Manetho had access to the hall of Records, and if we could get in there(hear me Zawi Hawass?, let us DIG!)we would not be having this discussion, due to the facts we would find there would have us all in the workshop for years to come!
Great thread, and Im for it!
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Re: Stargates are Real - The Discussion Thread
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2012, 12:28:21 PM »
Littleenki, something You said caught My eye...

"...the Feather of Life doctrine..."

I don't know if You have read The Terra Papers, but in there it is contended (like the Sumerian Enki tablets) that Humans were genetically created as a slave race for the Anunnaki, and that in creating Us, a birdlike race contributed a bit of DNA which endowed passion to Us.

This was called "The Gift of the Feather..."  I wonder if there was a connection.
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Re: Stargates are Real - The Discussion Thread
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2012, 07:16:35 AM »
Littleenki, something You said caught My eye...

"...the Feather of Life doctrine..."

I don't know if You have read The Terra Papers, but in there it is contended (like the Sumerian Enki tablets) that Humans were genetically created as a slave race for the Anunnaki, and that in creating Us, a birdlike race contributed a bit of DNA which endowed passion to Us.

This was called "The Gift of the Feather..."  I wonder if there was a connection.
Hey, Amaterasu, the Feather of Life is a program to map and plan your place here on Earth for the rest of your days. It's Philip, and his wife Kathleen's, way of continuing the Egyptian practice of life mapping.
http://www.philipcoppens.com/featheroflife.html
I think the Gift of the Feather you are referring to has similarities based in definition, but it is a different story altogether. The bird does show an affinity for passion, and is likely the provider of at least some of our DNA. The Gift of the Feather was maybe the beginning of us realizing how important birds were, and how Enki may have tried to create a flying hybrid human, in their honor.

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Re: Stargates are Real - The Discussion Thread
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2012, 02:16:01 AM »
we can just direct people to my goofy thread if they want to read my stuff on it.   i like the way this is going and would prefer to just let it be its own thing over there in the place its been for... how many years?  i think most of the people here have read it anyway or at least, as much as they could stand.

Well that's fine. I too have decided it is better if I just pick the good data out of that thread rather tan copy it all. I just wanted to separate the Sumerian line from the technical line so the two are a little easier to follow. I have a bunch of stuff specifically titles "Gateway to the Gods" so will split that off a bit too.

At least here I can sticky the important stuff so it doesn't get buried or forgotten :D

Omar Zuhdi  I think I will open a thread on him so we can see what he has for us. With a name we should be able to find a contact. We don't have to ask him anything specifically dealing with the law suit :D 

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Re: Stargates are Real - The Discussion Thread
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2012, 08:19:25 PM »
I was just watching around the first half hour of Stargate while eating lunch, including the initial gate activation and travel scenes.  Although it's always been a film with a lot of emotional significance for me, I became tearful this time around, over the idea that what I was watching, though a dramatic fictionalisation of course, may in fact be a somewhat approximate recreation of something that has actually happened.  As depicted in the film and SG-1, the gates are a beautiful technology.

I think of all forms of science fiction, anything involving either teleportation or gate travel, has been the subgenre that I've gravitated to most strongly.  I play the computer game Minecraft, and when last year, that game's developer added the ability for players to create their own gate networks within that game, I spent a very solid two weeks learning about the addressing system.  As far as I know, I was the second person among the game's playerbase to learn to reliably use the gates.  It probably isn't hugely relevant I admit, but a copy of the writeup I sent to the game's forum is here, if anyone is interested.

I do have a question for undo11, as well.  I apologise if this is redundant, but although I know very little about the subject of real or non-fictionally occurring Stargates, from what I'd read, I had gained the impression that the real gates were usually supposed to be naturally occurring, in some way, rather than being mechanically induced.  I remember some articles last year on the Internet, which implied the idea of a gate having somehow formed over the ocean, somewhere in the Middle East, if memory serves.  The articles claimed that a lot of different nations had sent ships to the area, as a response to it.

Is this incorrect, and is what we are shown in SG-1 a virtually identical approximation of the real gates, from what you have been able to discover?  That is extremely exciting, if so.
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Re: Stargates are Real - The Discussion Thread
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2012, 10:37:00 PM »
Ignore the previous post; I've started actually paying attention to what zorgon has been putting up in the other thread, LOL.  Sorry.  I'm going to go and put a dunce cap on now, and sit in the corner. ;)
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Re: Stargates are Real - The Discussion Thread
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2012, 11:05:57 PM »
Z, you constantly amaze!  Golden!
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Re: Stargates are Real - The Discussion Thread
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2012, 12:13:07 AM »
Z, you constantly amaze!  Golden!

uh. hm. checks name.  nope i'm not called z.  i'm either having yet another episode of glass ceiling-itis, or somebody didn't read the thread :D
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