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Re: We Are One - Million Mask Movement
« Reply #45 on: September 11, 2014, 12:23:07 PM »
Our mission is to make a positive difference in our communities.
How, I don't see any reference to any thing being done or prepared that will make a positive difference, can you be more specific?

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Re: We Are One - Million Mask Movement
« Reply #46 on: September 11, 2014, 12:41:12 PM »
How, I don't see any reference to any thing being done or prepared that will make a positive difference, can you be more specific?

It's out of character for you be unfairly biased and pessimistic.
As Amy has stated previously, you cannot just 'generalise' the Anonymous movement. Collectively they reprresent discontentment with the status quo, and a revolutionary change in thought. Individuals behind the Anon mask often stand for various causes, have various methods, various goals, and various effects.

Anon varys from specialist hackers, to the common activist, and even plain old trolls. Some Anons do charitable work, others stage street demonstrations, others target institutions, others spread information and awareness.

Some of these variations have been successful in their ambitions, others not. Some endeavors have been percieved as postive, others negative...

But the fact remains, the concepts of Anonymous have sparked wee revolution globally..  The Anon idea has often planted the seed of new thought..
« Last Edit: September 11, 2014, 12:43:41 PM by Sinny »
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Re: We Are One - Million Mask Movement
« Reply #47 on: September 11, 2014, 12:57:20 PM »
It's out of character for you be unfairly biased and pessimistic.
I was only asking a question about something that appeared to be about something specific.

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Re: We Are One - Million Mask Movement
« Reply #48 on: September 11, 2014, 01:19:16 PM »
I was only asking a question about something that appeared to be about something specific.

You post seems to suggest you cannot think of anything *positive* that has come from Anon ideaology.

As your an intelligent and usually no-biased person, I thought you would be able to name some of the positives...
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Re: We Are One - Million Mask Movement
« Reply #49 on: September 11, 2014, 01:22:32 PM »
You post seems to suggest you cannot think of anything *positive* that has come from Anon ideaology.
That's true, I can't think about any thing positive that has come from what you call "Anon ideology", one of the reasons is that I don't know what you mean by "Anon ideology".

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As your an intelligent and usually no-biased person, I thought you would be able to name some of the positives...
I'm not, as I don't remember any.

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Re: We Are One - Million Mask Movement
« Reply #50 on: September 11, 2014, 01:39:23 PM »
That's true, I can't think about any thing positive that has come from what you call "Anon ideology", one of the reasons is that I don't know what you mean by "Anon ideology".
I'm not, as I don't remember any.

Well, as you state you do not understand Anon Ideaology, I will gracefully bow out, for two reassons: Firstly, If you don't understand Anon ideology by now, given your exposure to the subject, then nothing I present will probably sway that, its a feeling, an idea, a determination and a solidarity that many of us share - however, its appears some others don't...

Secondly, I'm extremely tired, posting from crapberry, and if I was going to attempt to give the subjcet justice, I'd need to write an essay.

I may return at some point to further expand on my choice of the word 'solidarity'.

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Re: We Are One - Million Mask Movement
« Reply #51 on: September 11, 2014, 01:39:48 PM »
It's out of character for you be unfairly biased and pessimistic.

ArMaP asked a question... I have the same question...

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As Amy has stated previously, you cannot just 'generalize' the Anonymous movement.

Why not? Since they themselves say they don't have an organization as such?

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Anon varys from specialist hackers, to the common activist, and even plain old trolls. Some Anons do charitable work, others stage street demonstrations, others target institutions, others spread information and awareness.

Looks like you just 'generalized'  ::)

Collectively they reprresent discontentment with the status quo, and a revolutionary change in thought. Individuals behind the Anon mask often stand for various causes, have various methods, various goals, and various effects.

'Various causes" "various methods", "various goals", "various effects"

In other words chaos

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Some endeavors have been perceived as positive, others negative...

Well so far the only contact I have had with Anon has been negative. Had my account hacked at ATS (a site that actually SUPPORTED Anon at the beginning) and had my personal info plastered on a main Anon site.  Anon hackers have attacked my Amazon account and my bank  Anon has attacked yahoo emails and several other sites like linked in and posted those passwords etc on Anon sites

If I were to see an Anon mask I am most likely going to be inclined to swing my (real) sword and off with their heads

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But the fact remains, the concepts of Anonymous have sparked wee revolution globally..  The Anon idea has often planted the seed of new thought..

Revolution always leads to war FIRST before things get better  Are you ready to lose everything in another war?  Not me  too old for that sh!t,

In case your not certain, I am NOT Anon friendly  :P

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Re: We Are One - Million Mask Movement
« Reply #52 on: September 11, 2014, 01:47:10 PM »
its a feeling, an idea, a determination and a solidarity that many of us share - however, its appears some others don't...

That has been the way of the world since Cromagnon discovered fire... not everyone shares the same views or ideology

 ::)

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I may return at some point to further expand on my choice of the word 'solidarity'.

I know what solidarity means  but Anon by your own admission, is all over the map on ideas, methods and effects so it is the exact opposite of solidarity.  A loose knit "brotherhood' perhaps but solidarity means one purpose, one goal

SOLIDARITY: Unanimity,  unity or agreement of feeling or action, especially among individuals with a common interest; mutual support within a group

You do not have unanimity in anon...  only a general concept of revolution

And since WE don't see any positive actions instigated by Anon, perhaps you could share a list with us?

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Re: We Are One - Million Mask Movement
« Reply #53 on: September 11, 2014, 02:11:35 PM »
Well there's knowing the dictionary definition of a word, and then there's understanding the context and alternative definitions of a word. Thoughts aren't always easily translated into words...

Exactly -  'a general idea of a revolution', and that's where I define the solidarity in Anon, a solidarity that some sort of revolution needs to take place. And the 'some sort' accounts for all the variations we observe.

That's the best textual translation I can offer for my thoughts, so it'll have to make do.

Sure - the Anon on the 'ground' in the UK have raised huge awareness to the Privatisation of our public services, and has attracted the youth with the *local* Anon rules of 'do not break the law, protest peacefully and have fun' approach.
(Which differs from some other Anon appraoches, obviously)

There's my first hand knowledge of the 'on the ground' Anon movement in the UK, besides that, I'd highlight that the Hackers globally have brought the spot light to a lot of issues the mainstream media would have us brush under the carpet.

As Anon is ever reaching and ever alternative, there must be more individual stories of postive effects to spawm from the Anon movement.

I have previosly stated there have been negative effects also.

My point is, it has not all been negative.

And unless you are actively seeking local, and national Anon activities you won't be aware of much more other than what the news and youtube feed you.   
« Last Edit: September 11, 2014, 02:19:04 PM by Sinny »
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Re: We Are One - Million Mask Movement
« Reply #54 on: September 11, 2014, 03:49:21 PM »
Well, as you state you do not understand Anon Ideaology,
I didn't say that, I said that I don't know what you call "Anon Ideology".

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I will gracefully bow out, for two reassons: Firstly, If you don't understand Anon ideology by now, given your exposure to the subject,
How do you know how much exposure to the subject I have?

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Re: We Are One - Million Mask Movement
« Reply #55 on: September 11, 2014, 06:42:26 PM »
How do you know how much exposure to the subject I have?

It's painfully obvious.   :P

In perhaps its biggest coup to date, Anonymous directly caused the resignation of the chief executive of a U.S. security firm that was helping the government track down cyberactivists.

Aaron Barr, who headed HBGary Federal, had boasted to the Financial Times that he would reveal the names of some of Anonymous's leaders.


Since We don't have 'leaders', that would be next to an impossibility.   :P

Anonymous (We are You) responded by hacking into HBGary's computer system through its public website, accessing 71,000 private emails, and indexing them in a searchable format for anyone to read.

Surprise, surprise!

The emails revealed an institution that was comfortable employing dirty tricks to preserve its image.

Tit for tat.   lol

Last week, congressional Democrats demanded an investigation into HBGary.

On Feb. 28, Barr was forced to resign.
   :P



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Re: We Are One - Million Mask Movement
« Reply #56 on: September 12, 2014, 04:47:31 AM »
I wonder how many people realise that some of the "work" allegedly done by "anonymous" is actually covert three letter agencies creating an excuse to implement new laws and justify increased funding for internet related so called intelligence work?

Three letter agencies see the net as an area to expand their work.  It would not be the first time they create a problem in order to offer a solution that results in more money and powers for themselves.  ;)

David Icke (yes I know he lost the plot a bit LOL) wrote about this in his earlier books.

Modus operandi:-

1.  Decide what you wish to do.  {get new powers and money for agencies}
2.  Design a problem which will create the political will to do something about it.  {web activism gone rogue}
3.  Politicians create laws and offer agencies cash as a solution.  {cash and new powers for internet intelligence work}
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Re: We Are One - Million Mask Movement
« Reply #57 on: September 12, 2014, 05:14:18 AM »
I wonder how many people realise that some of the "work" allegedly done by "anonymous" is actually covert three letter agencies creating an excuse to implement new laws and justify increased funding for internet related so called intelligence work?

Three letter agencies see the net as an area to expand their work.  It would not be the first time they create a problem in order to offer a solution that results in more money and powers for themselves.  ;)

David Icke (yes I know he lost the plot a bit LOL) wrote about this in his earlier books.

Modus operandi:-

1.  Decide what you wish to do.  {get new powers and money for agencies}
2.  Design a problem which will create the political will to do something about it.  {web activism gone rogue}
3.  Politicians create laws and offer agencies cash as a solution.  {cash and new powers for internet intelligence work}

I think many of us realise this Pi, but we cant allow that to deter us..
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Re: We Are One - Million Mask Movement
« Reply #58 on: September 14, 2014, 08:36:45 AM »



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Re: We Are One - Million Mask Movement
« Reply #59 on: September 14, 2014, 10:12:40 AM »
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