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Offline zorgon

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ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
« on: September 02, 2014, 04:15:24 PM »
A very long time ago....

In A galaxy now merging with this one...



Before "Ancient Aliens" was a term anyone was familiar with, I watched a debate on TV show in Toronto. It was this show that started me on the path of research that led to where I am today.

The show was the Pierre Berton Show. It was a debate format


On the one side was a lady Archaeologist. She had all the degrees and was considered an expert in her field

On the other side was then unknown Eric von Danekin, author of "Chariots of the Gods"  a book that cause instant stir challenging religious and scientific beliefs at the time

Pierre Berton was often a  critiques of mainstream religion so this was right up his alley. Turns out Pierre is a family member on my wife's side



During the course of the debate Eric would present items and the archaeologist would rebut them

At the end of the debate Pierre said to Eric  "While I do not agree with your findings, I never the less declare you winner of this debate because of how you handled yourself"

Subject of the debate was Ancient Aliens and how Eric believed that certain artifacts and landmarks around the world are signs of past Alien visitations. At the time his book came out this was a relatively new concept

Now what made me interested was that every time Eric presented an item, he did so calmly, and ALWAYS maintained "This is how I interpret it, you will have to research and make up your own mind"

To this day he still uses that philosophy... merely presents his finds, offers his interpretation and leaves it to the reader to decide in the end

On the other side the "lady" expert, every time Pierre asked her for her version of what these items represents she had no answer. All she did was raise her voice, get agitated and finally resorted to name calling and character assassination. She called into question where Eric had received schooling while pontificating which degrees she had

All the while Eric smiled and stuck to his presentation. Never returned attack, just simply asked her to explain the items

Moral of the story...

It's not whether you are right or wrong that matters, its how you present the material that wins people over.

The minute you start attacking the opponent or resorting to name calling, you HAVE LOST the debate, no matter which side has the truth

Something to ponder when posting in a forum

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Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2014, 05:20:43 PM »
Aye, m'lord  8)

present the findings of your research calmly and with cool demeaner...

also state sources and qualifications, then quietly give your opinions as such...


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Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2014, 06:41:08 PM »
One of my favorite "stock answers," is "Hmm, I never thought about it that way.  Interesting."  My favorite "stock answer" for cranky patients is "You have the right to request a different caregiver if you feel that your needs are not being met." 

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Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2014, 08:19:59 PM »
"Chariots of the Gods"
Never to be forgotten, , ,

, , , and I can't think of a "name" I haven't been called at one time or another in these forum discussions.  ;)
It's the questions that drive us, , , the answers that guide us.
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Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2014, 08:30:20 PM »
"Chariots of the Gods"
Never to be forgotten, , ,

, , , and I can't think of a "name" I haven't been called at one time or another in these forum discussions.  ;)

Thank goodness Norval, that type of "name calling" is generally not allowed on this forum!! I assume you mostly mean "other" forums?  :)

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Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2014, 01:45:25 AM »
I'd like to hear more about how Z 'got into this', have you had your own close encounter?

And I vote Obfuscation...

One thing that just dawned on me, well yesterday, is that all the past civilisations who have supposedly had these encounters and interactions have all ended up detroyed ... 
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Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2014, 03:54:38 PM »
Are E.T.'s really physical beings or are they something else? I am inclined to believe that most are non-physical life-forms. Perhaps they were physical once like ourselves but they have evolved to become creatures of pure thought. Somehow from their disembodied state they are able to manipulate matter and energy.
This clip from the Communion movie might raise some questions.

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Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2014, 08:07:16 PM »
Are E.T.'s really physical beings or are they something else? I am inclined to believe that most are non-physical life-forms. Perhaps they were physical once like ourselves but they have evolved to become creatures of pure thought. Somehow from their disembodied state they are able to manipulate matter and energy.
This clip from the Communion movie might raise some questions.


Onetruekeeper (and others), If you want to see a "physical ET" - check out my recent OP in the Mars Anomalies forum - "A Real Extraterrestrial On Mars?" At least that is the way I see it - a physical sitting humanoid looking body, up to the head. :)


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum1/index.php?topic=7268.0

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Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2014, 09:31:22 AM »
Onetruekeeper (and others), If you want to see a "physical ET" - check out my recent OP in the Mars Anomalies forum - "A Real Extraterrestrial On Mars?" At least that is the way I see it - a physical sitting humanoid looking body, up to the head. :)


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum1/index.php?topic=7268.0
Mars seems like a planet that once had a advanced technological civilization but the life forms there misused their technology and most likely destroyed themselves with their own hubris. I believe we are also close to that crossroad. I think most technological civilizations "out there" have become extinct due to warfare and genocide or through some catastrophe caused by their misuse of technology. That is why I believe most of the E.T's that survived that are coming here are not physical. They have managed to pass through their dangerous technological phase of existence and are no longer dependent on them. Since physical bodies are too dependent on matter and energy for it's survival therefore forcing the use of technology, it most likely dawned on the advance races that it might be better to live in a non corporeal state using only the powers of the mind ( which is limitless ).

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Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2017, 11:24:24 PM »
Hi Gang,

I am fascinated by this subject and came across this document after watching the latest Camelot JL interview -

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce/chapter5.htm

Does anyone have any links or info on the Cherry Hinkle lady that John mentioned in his interview other than what is already on the web please?

TIA :-)

Cheers!
Fans'

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Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2017, 03:44:43 AM »
Hi Gang,

I am fascinated by this subject and came across this document after watching the latest Camelot JL interview -

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce/chapter5.htm

Does anyone have any links or info on the Cherry Hinkle lady that John mentioned in his interview other than what is already on the web please?

TIA :-)

Cheers!
Fans'
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1573.msg131401#msg131401
John Lear broke the story about Dulce long ago; as mentioned in the link above, the only source for anything Dulce is Cherry Hinkle; I was with Zorgon and John the night John gave Zorgon all his hand written notes  on Dulce...

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Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2017, 04:29:33 AM »
wowsers! -  :) as you can see I am playing catch-up and there is so much stuff on the web that is either disinfo, or plain wrong and I am pinging stuff out to see what is correct or incorrect, I have found this last 3 years that the more I scrap away at the surface the deeper and more twisted the rabbit hole becomes, as I have said before I am a very sceptical believer - and sifting fact from fiction is quite challenging, did you think the S4 informer 6 hour video was totally genuine ?.  I got the feeling it really was.

Just while I am on and have your attention for a short while I heard a Linda M-H radio interview with a ex-army intel officer about a area of Alaska that was off limits and had never been mapped, I forget the name of the exact area but the story sounded amazing, and I was wondering if there was any follow-up audio/video of this interview ?  The crux of the story was that there was allegedly a huge pyramid under a mountain out there.

Sorry for all the questions and thanks for all the answers.

Fans'  :)

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Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2017, 04:33:49 AM »
I am not aware of any part od Alaska that has not been mapped or is that highly restricted  8)

For LMH try www.earthfiles.com

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Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2017, 04:41:22 AM »
Hi Seeker, found the interview, it was on a Dreamland cast-
this is the link to the full interview -

Have a great weekend !

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Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2017, 04:46:10 AM »
Just found this as well http://www.think-aboutit.com/is-there-a-large-pyramid-underground-between-mt-mckinley-and-nome-alaska-2/

I am looking maps now.. I will post if I find something -

cheers!

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