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[The Seeker]

People, you need to learn to read and comprehend; and I will re-phrase my comments here...

I DID NOT say anything about Petrus's remarks being untrue, I said he was way off the mark,

meaning it is not in good taste or appropriate in this context of this thread, for there is nothing in the OP concerning Fascism or the perils/warning signs of it...

it is about the struggle of Mr Back and many thousands of others with health issues, mental and physical disabilities, and their treatment by the rest of society...

but apparently you lot can't see that, so I will refrain from engaging after this and send my thoughts and support for Back directly to him...

seeker

[Sinny]

Well, I can't see the video, so I'll excuse myself, I will note however that disregard for the well bein of Vet's  is an early warning sign of Fascim.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Once again some here feel the need, the absolute right to..... Ah.. Never mind. It's no use.... Thanks for remembering vets & their struggles.

[Back]

I still cant watch that without crying like a baby.

I want to thank all of you that looked at it. Even Petrus.

Yes it is a struggle every day but I am lucky. I came BACK and still function. So many are not able to.

Half of my work crew are young men that have come back from Iran or Iraq. My boss guestions me about why I keep these "misfits" around. These young men need a chance and time to heal.

The attitude of my boss makes me sick. Because the general population sees it the same way.

Again thanks for looking.

Bless
Back

[Pimander]

Yes it is a struggle every day but I am lucky. I came BACK and still function. So many are not able to.

Half of my work crew are young men that have come back from Iran or Iraq. My boss guestions me about why I keep these "misfits" around. These young men need a chance and time to heal.

The attitude of my boss makes me sick. Because the general population sees it the same way.

The saddest thing for me is that people often join up out of Patriotism but then their country drops them like a stone when they have served their purpose.

It sounds like you need a new boss, Back.  I wouldn't want to make him/her wealthy with my sweat.

Sinny, I can see the video and I'm in the UK.  I'd try again mate if you want to see it.

[ArMaP]

The attitude of my boss makes me sick. Because the general population sees it the same way.

That's what I don't understand in this whole case, don't people see that their brothers/sons/nephews/friends/neighbours/whatever could end up in the same situation? Don't those people think they need armed forces to protect their country? Even a small, poor, peaceful country like Portugal needs them. From where are they expecting those to come from, the rich or the common population?

I really don't understand that "we against them" attitude of those people. 

PS: having lived in a fascist regime, I didn't see any special glorification of the armed forces, they were presented as people that were doing their patriotic duty, like the other people that followed the rules.

[Amaterasu]

People, you need to learn to read and comprehend; and I will re-phrase my comments here...

I DID NOT say anything about Petrus's remarks being untrue, I said he was way off the mark,

meaning it is not in good taste or appropriate in this context of this thread, for there is nothing in the OP concerning Fascism or the perils/warning signs of it...

it is about the struggle of Mr Back and many thousands of others with health issues, mental and physical disabilities, and their treatment by the rest of society...

but apparently you lot can't see that, so I will refrain from engaging after this and send my thoughts and support for Back directly to him...

seeker

I would say it is less about "the rest of society" and more about what the psychopaths in control are choosing to allow to happen.  I have yet to meet anyOne personally that does not think this is deplorable that ANYONE should be homeless.  Whether They served the role of pawn or not is irrelevant.  Humans should not have to live like that.

But all These I meet have no say alone, and seemingly little influence united.  They don't know what else there is to do.

[Pimander]

PS: having lived in a fascist regime, I didn't see any special glorification of the armed forces, they were presented as people that were doing their patriotic duty, like the other people that followed the rules.

I was thinking of the Romans (Caesar), Spanish (Franco), Italian (Mussolini) and German III Reich (Hitler).  The dictators of those fascist regimes were always presented as military heroes and in Rome practically deified.  I'd say that presenting the profession of your supreme leader as a military man to be precisely that.  It is certainly glorifying the military in my view.

[ArMaP]

I'd say that presenting the profession of your supreme leader as a military man to be precisely that.  It is certainly glorifying the military in my view.

I don't want to derail the thread (more than I already did, I should have thought of that when I added that PS ), but Portugal was different, as the president didn't have (and still doesn't have) any real powers (although he is the chief of the armed forces) and the dictator was the prime minister, a law graduate specialized in finance and economy.

[petrus4]

I know I said I was finished here, but in light of subsequent comments, I wish to offer some additional clarification.

a}  I do not approve of the manner in which I have observed the governments of several countries (without specifically naming names) treating their veterans.  If governments expect veterans to go through experiences which will leave them incapable of fending for themselves when they return, then said governments have a duty of care to said veterans.  At the very least, that means a liveable pension for the rest of their lives, but it should also mean whatever pharmacological or other therapeutic measures said veterans require, as well.

b}  I do not consider any major conflict since at least WW2 to have been sufficiently justifiable that I feel that anyone within the military is owed my gratitude for their participation.  I do not believe that the War on Terror has a legitimate foreign component.  I believe that it has been created almost exclusively by the American intelligence community, who have used Islamic individuals as proxies.  If you do not believe me on this, do your own research.  There is more than adequate documentation of it available.

c}  In addition to the War on Terror having been a farce, as far as I know, there has been no conscription or involuntary drafting for it.  As a result, any veterans who are now maimed due to participation in it, made an entirely voluntary choice, and are now living with the consequences of that choice.  This is a second reason why you do not deserve my thanks, and you will not be getting it.  If you had been conscripted, and if the GWOT had been in any way justifiable, then I might feel differently; but neither of those conditions are true, so I do not.

d}  I consider the level of sycophancy that is typically shown by the American population, in contemporary terms, towards veterans and the military in general, to be both sociologically dangerous and genuinely disgusting.  The degree of outrage that I feel regarding this, is doubled by the fact that I typically become the target of anger from online veterans with entitlement complexes, who have come to believe that they deserve constant fawning from civilians.  Again, you will not be receiving that from me.

If anyone wants to consider my own contributions to this thread to have been in poor taste, then I will reply by stating that in my own mind, a thread being started for the specific purpose of veterans deliberately drawing attention to themselves, is in equally poor taste itself; if not moreso.

Finally, I will also point out that in this response, I am attempting to be rational.  From what I have observed, the majority of responses to this thread, and the underlying motivation behind them, have been purely emotional.  The level of deference that is shown towards veterans, comes from a sense of moral obligation to do so; which again, is virtually never subjected to genuine critical analysis.  I believe it should be.

[spacemaverick]

Petrus, just wondering what that has to do with the topic "Broken."   

[petrus4]

Petrus, just wondering what that has to do with the topic "Broken."   

It has to do with my initial assertion; that reverence shown towards active or former military, is conducive to both the creation and maintenance of a fascist state, which is the purpose for which this thread was created.

[spacemaverick]

It has to do with my initial assertion; that reverence shown towards active or former military, is conducive to both the creation and maintenance of a fascist state, which is the purpose for which this thread was created.

You are entitled to your view/opinion.

[petrus4]

You are entitled to your view/opinion.

Thank you.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Petrus, just wondering what that has to do with the topic "Broken."   

just gave you GOLD!...
thanks brother

Rock