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Re: Crater Chains
« Reply #150 on: September 15, 2016, 03:22:00 PM »
Pi, some of the detail is found in the link below. The primary factors are Xenon-129 and Krypton, and these have been found in the atmosphere of Mars. Apparently these have a resulting relationship with an atmospheric nuclear blast.

https://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=2453&category=Science

or we really are the golgafrinchans :D

http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Golgafrinchan_(race)

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Re: Crater Chains
« Reply #151 on: September 15, 2016, 04:14:42 PM »
the conference livestreaming

http://livestream.com/AIAAvideo/SPACE2016

looks like its just started :D

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Re: Crater Chains
« Reply #152 on: September 15, 2016, 06:14:44 PM »
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They have changed some links out, , , as usual, , , just to hide the truth, , , as usual, ,  ::)
This is the image that Toltec was commenting about Ceres.

I just saw some last photos of Ceres, it is a picture cratercheins, but do not look good, I've seen in PS cs6 and curiously reversing the photo looks in depth and as it should be, the other is the negative .
I wonder: is it normal to have such big mistakes by NASA?
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Re: Crater Chains
« Reply #153 on: September 16, 2016, 03:58:53 AM »
Your highest level of ingnorancia is when you reject something you know nothing about ...

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Re: Crater Chains
« Reply #154 on: September 16, 2016, 04:07:34 AM »
Your highest level of ingnorancia is when you reject something you know nothing about ...

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Re: Crater Chains
« Reply #155 on: September 16, 2016, 09:51:50 AM »
Curious this Ceres….

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA20193

On this Ceres photo and others...........yes Toltec, a reverse screen is necessary to see the true look of the cratered/chained surface. I did try to screenshot the reverse screen, but apparently my screenshot feature doesn't pickup on the reverse change. Anyway, a lot of surface depression lines/chains in this Ceres photo.

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Re: Crater Chains
« Reply #156 on: September 16, 2016, 01:37:04 PM »
More and very long in Mars..
http://aleksey-galan.blogspot.com.es/2010/11/mars-artifacts-crater-chain-lines.html
Those supposed crater chains do not appear on the photos, only on the background map, and even then only with the "shaded relief" version, so it makes me think that's some kind of imaging (if that relief map was made from images) artefact.

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Re: Crater Chains
« Reply #158 on: September 16, 2016, 03:13:24 PM »
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gKnjohkyfrU/TNrkzwz1t2I/AAAAAAAACGY/mz8CnhdFRUY/s1600/0017m.png
By choosing a different ("MO year 3" instead of "daily images") we can see that there is at least one photo of that line across the crater.



But, as we can see below, photo V18574017 doesn't show that line.



That's why I think those lines are an artefact of whatever process was used to create the "shaded relief"

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Re: Crater Chains
« Reply #159 on: September 16, 2016, 05:42:26 PM »
I agree with ArMaP.  I wonder how many more of these chains are not there.

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Re: Crater Chains
« Reply #160 on: September 16, 2016, 06:17:43 PM »
I agree with ArMaP.  I wonder how many more of these chains are not there.

Not there? or just not visible under certain lighting conditions?

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Re: Crater Chains
« Reply #161 on: September 16, 2016, 06:18:34 PM »
If everything we see is merely an 'image artifact'  then what is the purpose of taking photographs and analysing them?

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Re: Crater Chains
« Reply #162 on: September 17, 2016, 04:35:13 AM »
Everything isn't an artefact LOL. ::)

That line doesn't appear on the other picture at all though.  A third picture, preferably not from a composite of many would seal it.  I suspect the line wouldn't be there.

I don't think there is no such thing as crater chains just because some of those are probably artefacts by the way.  I do think many are caused by objects breaking up before impact though.  Some might not be but I'm not convinced by other theories so far but I'm open to something new or I wouldn't bother reading the thread.  8)

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Re: Crater Chains
« Reply #163 on: September 17, 2016, 06:31:36 AM »
If everything we see is merely an 'image artifact'  then what is the purpose of taking photographs and analysing them?
It's not "everything", it's only the things that look like image artefacts.

In this case we have one image (shaded relief) that shows those "crater chains" that do not really look like crater chains, as I don't see any clear craters in a line, only what looks like a line carved on the ground, not one of the photos available show any signs of those features.

Considering that the shaded relief images are not even photos, things get even more against the presence of those supposed "crater chains".

Now, looking at what that blogger says, we can start by seeing that he/she is wrong, as those images are not from Mars Odyssey, the Mars Odyssey images are marked by the blue rectangles that the blogger ignores, basing his/her theory on the background image.

That background image has 4 options, albedo, shaded relief, mola and mola 2, resulting in the following images:

Albedo


Shaded relief


Mola


Mola 2


You can see that only the albedo image appears to use real photos, while the other 3 images are an attempt to show the relief.

As I said before, the blue rectangles represent the photos taken, in this case, by Themis, and as you can see, there aren't any photos that show the area of the supposed "crater chain". On the page where the blogger got this images they have, to the left of the map, a list of the releases, and the release selected in the images above was the "daily images". If we choose a different release or the "all releases" option then we can see other photos. Here's how it looks like when we choose the "all releases" option:



As you can see we have dozens of photos, both in visible light (the blue rectangles) and in infrared (the red rectangles)

So, if I choose a specific spot on the "crater chain" (the + marks the spot), lets see how many photos show it.


By changing to the "all releases" option and clicking on that spot I got this list of images:
V39001006
V47426014
I08765006
I18574016
I20733005
I27085030
I36655023
I45928046
I53682012
I55530015

I'm not going to post them all, but if you look for them you will see that the "crater chain" doesn't appear in any one of those.

The photos above were taken during the day, but Themis also took photos during the night, with its infrared camera, so if we change to "nightime" we get these 10 photos:
V07292017
I06050007
I06799010
I07292016
I07654019
I08016016
I27578028
I35426009
I35950029
I55992044

It's interesting to see the difference between the day and night photos, but the "crater chain" is still missing.

Now, one thing that makes that site my favourite when looking for satellite photos of Mars is that it has photos from several missions, so we can choose a different mission and look for photos of the same area.

Using the Viking Orbiter mission I got a list of 22 photos, but as most had a very low resolution I chose only photos with resolutions better than 300 metres per pixel, and got this list:
258S08
258S27
670B26
670B49
704B42
704B43
825A01

No signs of crater chains in those either.

Now, Mars Orbiter Camera has a list of 87 photos that show that area, only wide angle photos, but the ones with good definition doesn't show any crater chains either.

The MRO's Context Camera has 5 photos, no crater chains in those either.

HiRISE doesn't have any photos of that exact are.

HRSC has 4 photos, no crater chains in the only with enough resolution to show that area either.

My conclusion: only appears in one image, it's an image artefact.


Now I will try to find out how the shaded relief image was create. :)

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Re: Crater Chains
« Reply #164 on: September 17, 2016, 07:06:47 AM »
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, , , , , There are many places on Mars that show no CSCCs (Concise Systematic Crater Chains) then there are the places that do show MANY!

, , , , just sayin, , ,  :P



How about these?



In the above photo you can clearly see many of the CS (Concise Systematic) type crater chains with the characteristics we think show obvious intelligence as to cause. Of note are the three and possibly four time frames of occurrence. The predominant CS chain near the center running lower left to upper right appears to be the cleanest and so is probably the newest. Notice the CS chains just above and left of the dominant one. Now they appear to have been covered by dust debris, or possibly silt flow, and that gives us three time frames. Chains, material deposit, then another chain.
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