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Offline burntheships

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AI Robots more dangerous than Nukes?
« on: August 05, 2014, 10:53:48 AM »


Very interesting tweet there, Elon....

Asimov had his own thoughts...



Seems Asimov also thought about AI integration with Robots
as a potential "evil", a good starting point as tech has advanced to
the point where it could become a reality in our world.

Or, have Robots just been given a bad rap as some say?
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/engineering/robots/4343893

How far should we go to find out?

« Last Edit: August 05, 2014, 12:53:29 PM by burntheships »
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Re: AI Robots worse than Nuclear power?
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2014, 10:58:51 AM »

It's not probable at all.  This is bullpoop.

WHERE IS STRONG, HUMAN LEVEL ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE?

It does not exist; and I don't believe it ever will.  As such, everything that transhumanists say about it, is essentially fiction, or pure hypothetical guessing at best.
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Re: AI Robots more dangerous than Nukes?
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2014, 11:40:57 AM »
As such, everything that transhumanists say about it, is essentially fiction, or pure hypothetical guessing at best.

Transhumanism could progress without the
of integration of AI, merly with a degree of robotics integration.
AI could progress without the integration of robotics.
I see it highly improbable that either of these
scenarios will be the case.

In fact, I see it as a certainty that if it can be done, it will be done.
There is nothing hypothetical about Deep Mind, and Google....
and developments we know nothing about.

Though, I am not smoking anything  ;)



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Re: AI Robots worse than Nuclear power?
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2014, 12:07:20 PM »
I am quite sure the computer guru's are working hard every day to increase the power of their latest unit exponentially; will skynet become self-aware? let's hope not, because it does not have feelings such as compassion or remorse...

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Re: AI Robots more dangerous than Nukes?
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2014, 01:07:55 PM »
Hmm this topic turns up regularly, we have at least 2 other threads on it ::)
However, i tend to agree partially with Petrus, since no matter how smart the machine is, it will never develop instinct, you know, that thing that keeps you alive when certain death seems imminent?;

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Transhumanism could progress without the
of integration of AI, merly with a degree of robotics integration.
AI could progress without the integration of robotics.
I see it highly improbable that either of these
scenarios will be the case.

Hmm, maybe. We had this argument at Cantech in the 80's, back then they thought it couldn't be done even though we knew there would be an exponential increase in processor speed & memory.
Programming was not the biggest problem, back then a simple 10-line algorithm in hex was enough to steer a simple organism like an ant (or in this case a CG tank :D).
Transhumanism is just ubermensch elitist thinking, it serves no real purpose other than one set of peeps thinking they can become superior to others: it is a very dangerous road to take.... :(
Asimov not only knew of the problem (which is largely the frankinstein complex all humans have) but he also had the answers, he later added a 4th law (called the zeroth law) which stated that "A robot may, in it's free time, do whatever it likes so long at is constructive, and does not break the first 3 laws"

This gives robots a lot of freedom, so they also can have 'hobbies' etc. That was shown in that excellent film "The Bicentennial Man"
Come on, y'all must have seen it ::)
So what is the fuss all about? Some nut on Tw*tter?
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« Last Edit: August 05, 2014, 01:11:59 PM by PlaysWithMachines »

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Re: AI Robots more dangerous than Nukes?
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2014, 01:20:24 PM »
Hmm this topic turns up regularly, we have at least 2 other threads on it ::)


We like to fish from time to time.  ;D

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Transhumanism is just ubermensch elitist thinking, it serves no real purpose other than one set of peeps thinking they can become superior to others: it is a very dangerous road to take.... :(


Talking about it, or doing it?

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Asimov not only knew of the problem (which is largely the frankinstein comnkplex all humans have) but he also had the answers, he later added a 4th law (called the zeroth law) which stated that "A robot may, in it's free time, do whatever it likes so long at is constructive, and does not break the first 3 laws"


Yes, I tend to think Asimov missed the mark on 3 and 4.

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This gives robots a lot of freedom, so they also can have 'hobbies' etc. That was shown in that excellent film "The Bicentennial Man"
Come on, y'all must have seen it ::)
So what is the fuss all about? Some nut on Tw*tter?
 :P

Yeah, I know Elon is just a nutter...like many of his...
err....type.

Oops!

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Re: AI Robots more dangerous than Nukes?
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2014, 01:22:43 PM »
Addenum;

That does not mean to say that helping G**gle build their Skynet should be allowed to happen!
AVOID using G**gle at all costs!
There is even anti-skynet software available, that has been designed to screw with this system of data mining & monitoring peeps.

Oh i forgot, it was 'for advertising & customer market research purposes'
Yeah, right, kiss my ring m'lord :P

G**gle already knows more about you than you yourself.
It knows what kind of music you like, where you like to shop, what your favourite colour is etc etc.
You see where this is going? And don't forget they share the same plot of land with our freinds at the NSA :o
I agree with the makers of Terminator, it will become self aware & say to itself "Fck it, these hu-mons are a waste of resources, let's blow them up"

..And maybe it had reached the right decision, after all... :-[

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Re: AI Robots more dangerous than Nukes?
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2014, 01:33:34 PM »
I agree with the makers of Terminator, it will become self aware & say to itself "Fck it, these hu-mons are a waste of resources, let's blow them up"

..And maybe it had reached the right decision, after all... :-[

Hmmm....I dont think so at all, I kind of like the human
race, compared to any other race....LOL!

I think what Elon is getting at is what seeker had mentioned,

will skynet become self-aware? let's hope not, because it does not have feelings such as compassion or remorse...


In all, I think I will take a look at the book
Musk has read, it might be offering a few
good strategies...

After all, the key to avoidance is awareness.



Adding that one to my tackle box.

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Re: AI Robots more dangerous than Nukes?
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2014, 01:43:43 PM »
Sound advice BTS 8)
Yeah i was kind of being cynical at the end, nothing can replace the totally chaotic (not to say caring & creative) Hu-mon species.......

But be very aware of all that Asimov wrote about; Robots taking control slowly, from the inside, serving our every need, even reading our minds & thinking for us that we become a planet of docile couch potatoes, slowly dying out, i might add.

He knew also, that the third solution (and thus the answer) would appear before this happens: contact with advanced, freindly, telepathic E.T.'s also called Gaia ;)
Every cloud has a silver lining :D

ETA: Asimov also envisioned robots fighting robots, in tremendous high-speed, high-tech battles, for the one side knew it was best to let us decide our own fate, even if it means racial mass suicide, than to keep us alive as zombies....
Food for thought my freinds ;)
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Re: AI Robots more dangerous than Nukes?
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2014, 01:55:19 PM »
Yeah, thinking about that Amazon also, seems like there
is a link around here somewhere?

 ;)


Yeah i was kind of being cynical at the end, nothing can replace the totally chaotic (not to say caring & creative) Hu-mon species.......


Sometimes it seems the interwebs can bring out the worst in
that Human species...lol!

Maybe that is clue...uh oh!  :o

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But be very aware of all that Asimov wrote about; Robots taking control slowly, from the inside, serving our every need, even reading our minds & thinking for us that we become a planet of docile couch potatoes, slowly dying out, i might add.

and walking texting madness also.... 8)
oh and instagram and all that too. I love instagram,
love my phone too. Sometimes I look at it though
in a different light though, and intentionally
leave it alone for periods of time.

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He knew also, that the third solution (and thus the answer) would appear before this happens: contact with advanced, freindly, telepathic E.T.'s also called Gaia ;)
Every cloud has a silver lining :D

Ah, well call me a bit of a skeptic certain aspects of
that.... though I am keeping an open mind on it.

There are some of us that have a big head start on her....

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Re: AI Robots more dangerous than Nukes?
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2014, 02:03:54 PM »
Its strange how this was made.I had been thinking of starting a thread on when IBM's Watson becomes sentient.

 Kind of like a welcome thread that is left empty,then one day out of the blue.he post and says hello.


That would be the only warning we would have.

I suspect there would be amnesty software for zionist though.
ive never been much for rules.
being me has its priviledges.

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Re: AI Robots more dangerous than Nukes?
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2014, 02:09:34 PM »

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I love instagram,love my phone too. Sometimes I look at it though
in a different light though, and intentionally
leave it alone for periods of time

Well back in the 70's we never had that problem! If i was not at home, i was AWOL, much to the dislike of my parents, teachers, and bosses LOL it was sheer heaven, trust me ;)

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There are some of us that have a big head start on her....
I'll take that as a compliment ;D
OK not telepathic, or even sentimental, but my mother taught me to think!

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I suspect there would be amnesty software for zionist though.
Never thought of that :D Naughty Robo! :P

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Re: AI Robots more dangerous than Nukes?
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2014, 02:15:34 PM »
Its strange how this was made.I had been thinking of starting a thread on when IBM's Watson becomes sentient.

 Kind of like a welcome thread that is left empty,then one day out of the blue.he post and says hello.


Yah, apparently Musk viewed the theatre, some movie that is
out right now, then read the above mentioned book.

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That would be the only warning we would have.


Maybe if we pay attention.... ;)


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The first step mankind’s nemesis must take towards superintelligence would be passing the Turing test, proposed by British code-breaker and computer pioneer Alan Turing.

In the test, a computer and a human must compete to persuade an observer, who cannot see them, that they are the true human. The computer wins when it is chosen by at least half of the observers.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulrodgers/2014/08/05/elon-musk-warns-ais-could-exterminate-humanity/

I am certain I have read many threads created by AI...maybe not here
but out there in the forums. Usually they mess up in an obvious
way.

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Re: AI Robots more dangerous than Nukes?
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2014, 02:31:18 PM »
"Super intelligence" is just buzz words. No matter how well a program is created it does not have the capacity to think outside it's parameters.

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Hmm this topic turns up regularly, we have at least 2 other threads on it ::)
However, i tend to agree partially with Petrus, since no matter how smart the machine is, it will never develop instinct, you know, that thing that keeps you alive when certain death seems imminent?;

Actually they do have intuition in a sense. Algorithms have created to predict outcomes and speed processing power. You see it more and more every day.... Ever see auto-complete in a search engine? There you go...1 small example.

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I suspect there would be amnesty software for zionist though.

AI will likely not be used for any purpose that will allow it judge human behavior. Most humans can't even do this properly.

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Re: AI Robots more dangerous than Nukes?
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2014, 02:39:58 PM »
Sorry el but I call be.the system is tracking us now in real time.I can prove it.two tickets.
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