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Offline robomont

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how they listen to us.
« on: January 11, 2014, 06:30:43 PM »
https://leaksource.wordpress.com/2014/01/10/fbi-ultrasonic-listening-device/ this is how the feds snooped in our lives all these years using land lines.now we know.ultrasonic

if any of yall understand this tech a little more.please speak up.
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Re: how they listen to us.
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2014, 09:08:45 PM »
Nope, just pure bullpoop. This tech didn't exist back when they had red green yellow black wires running into peoples homes. But, , , , , , ,,


They were able to listen into any phone, anywhere, by the flip of a switch. The yellow wire carried an open signal at all times and was connected to the earpiece which was a better microphone than the mouthpiece was , , by far. Back then the ones we call hackers were called "phone freaks".  8)
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Re: how they listen to us.
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2014, 09:31:30 PM »
Thankyou norval.i never knew exactly how phones worked.what you say makes more since.gold for you.
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Re: how they listen to us.
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2014, 11:32:12 PM »
Ah yes...the fun times phreaking by the 7-11 and the captain crunch whistle!!!!

This and later PC hacking is what got me interested in electronics.
Sorry Robomont for jumping in here without any constructive comment but Norval brought back some memories and my love for 2600 mob.

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Re: how they listen to us.
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2014, 05:49:12 AM »
Nope, just pure bullpoop. This tech didn't exist back when they had red green yellow black wires running into peoples homes.
Funny you say that, as I remember those 4 wires coming into my home but the phones only had two. :)

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Re: how they listen to us.
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2014, 06:51:41 AM »
I knew they called them twisted pairs.
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Re: how they listen to us.
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2014, 07:16:49 AM »
OH my god phreaking!!! I'm UK but even I was big into phone fun,dialing out with short presses of the callbox receiver hang button for free calls. I had a tone dialer and everything!
even today i can still make free calls from a BT payphone ;)

blue boxing, trunk boxing, the captain crunch whistle!!! ANARCHIST COOKBOOK ANYONE ;)

who could forget joe Enressia and his legion of blind pals sending at&t into despair.

quote wikihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phreaking
The tone was discovered in approximately 1957,[3] by Joe Engressia, a blind seven-year old boy. Engressia was gifted with perfect pitch, and discovered that whistling the fourth E above middle C (a frequency of 2600 Hz) would stop a dialed phone recording. Unaware of what he had done, Engressia called the phone company and asked why the recordings had stopped. This was the beginning of his love of exploring the telephone system
« Last Edit: January 12, 2014, 07:27:10 AM by stealthyaroura »
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Re: how they listen to us.
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2014, 07:20:44 AM »
I knew they called them twisted pairs.
As far as I know that's because the wires are twisted in pairs, like in Ethernet cables, in which we have 8 wires twisted in 4 pairs. That makes them less likely to be affected by interference.

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Re: how they listen to us.
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2014, 07:28:17 AM »
As far as I know that's because the wires are twisted in pairs, like in Ethernet cables, in which we have 8 wires twisted in 4 pairs. That makes them less likely to be affected by interference.
as i'm sure PWM will agree 100% correct  ;)
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Re: how they listen to us.
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2014, 08:03:27 AM »
Funny you say that, as I remember those 4 wires coming into my home but the phones only had two. :)

Correct you are, here in WA state it was the green and yellow wires that were used. The black and red were just bent back in a bundle. Anyone remember the old "party lines"? Now they piggy  back a thousand calls over one copper wire, , ,
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Re: how they listen to us.
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2014, 10:56:08 AM »
so Norval your an old phreaker eh? ;)
reading about the phreaking phenomena in the USA was great fun not so big in
the UK but it did exist.
ever do "stacking calls" or asking the operator for long distance conference and see
who could connect as many states to one another till the call ended up looping back
on itself all around the USA?
something like that anyhow. i feel like dusting off my old "anarchist cookbook" for a read.
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Re: how they listen to us.
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2014, 11:16:44 AM »
as i'm sure PWM will agree 100% correct  ;)
Yes, Armap is nearly always correct :P

I remember those tricks, i remember dialling random numbers on BBS & getting all kinds of wierd files to look at.
Try dialling (your country code)+123456789

Didn't know they still used pulses ::)

Anyway, the old system had 3 wires, one actually carried power for the bell & the phone circuitry. Nowadays it's (mostly) a digital signal over a twisted pair, the twisting reduces 'cross-talk' among the bundled pairs.

Many of us now have glassfibre, not so easy to tap into, but even though i have the GF right here at my door, i won't use it because the line rental is too expensive :P
Heck, my old modem is fast enough, i can stream films all day and chat to you peeps at the same time 8)

That ultrasonic thing, even if it ever worked, was soon passe'. I dont think anybody physically taps into anything these days, unless it's Norad or the white house ;)
Now they just log in with their back door to the phone company, sit back with a Cappucino & a doughnut, & listen to all your calls, read your mails etc.

They even have auto transcript for voice calls, persona tracking via writing style etc etc.....
The best way to beat them is encryption, i guess 8)

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Re: how they listen to us.
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2014, 12:38:59 PM »
Ah yes...the fun times phreaking by the 7-11 and the captain crunch whistle!!!!

This and later PC hacking is what got me interested in electronics.
Sorry Robomont for jumping in here without any constructive comment but Norval brought back some memories and my love for 2600 mob.

El es one.
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Re: how they listen to us.
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2014, 02:18:37 PM »
THOR you know THE captain crunch!! wow.

phreaking epic! anarchist cookbook legend.  8)
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Re: how they listen to us.
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2014, 10:53:07 AM »
O wow the 6800, still have my notebooks on it 8)

Now i really feel old :P

 


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