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Foundations of Economics
« on: December 09, 2013, 08:57:30 AM »
Let Me take You down to the foundations of why We exchange to survive (economics). When We first began acquiring and creating things with Our meaningful energy expended, the product of that expenditure was valued (and represented that energy, with the meaning setting the value) because We did not have the time/energy to acquire and/or create all We might want. We bartered and traded and work exchanged to fill all the gaps.

Eventually, these modes of exchange became cumbersome, and We began to agree on tokens to represent Our meaningful energy expended. Shells, beads, sticks notched and split. These also included coins of precious metals, and then bills when hauling metals around in large quantities became cumbersome too. Then the debt system, creating tokens through loans, eventually emerging and enhanced by a shift from paper entries to electronic bits.

The foundation of all of it still rests on the effectively scarce amounts of energy to be meaningfully expended.

The question becomes, do We really NEED to exchange to survive? What if We added free energy (and I personally know We have such deep in black projects)? What if We added robots in necessary work no One WANTS to do? We Humans will do things We WANT to do for merely the social currency We receive – thanks, appreciation, love, respect, reputation, lauds, name recognition, fame, Self satisfaction – IF We are not concerned about how We will meet the basics in life.

So Let’s look at adding free energy. Suppose We spent taxes to build and retrofit everything with free energy. The costs of energy would be removed – all down the line. Products become cheaper and cheaper – initially in any markets with high amounts of competition, but eventually in all aspects as pressure comes to bear.

So now, We can spend taxes on filling positions We NEED with Those who love the work, and robots to take up slack. At this point, the need to exchange is extinguished because, since 100% of the cost of EVERYTHING is energy, and We have removed the cost of both external and Human energy, everything becomes free.  The amount We spend is irrelevant, for with the removal of money, all financial debt becomes moot.

Many of the industries We see today will vanish, being unnecessary: banking, insurance, Wall Street, advertising, accounting, sales, and cashiering (and what percentage of These that hold such jobs LOVE what They do and would not prefer to be doing something else?).

Along with these We will see also no more poverty, oppression, wage/debt and outright slavery, and biggest: profiteering. War profiteering (no war: “If You want peace, take the PROFIT out of war.”), prison profiteering, pharma profiteering (and thus the suppressed cures will emerge), medical profiteering, chemical profiteering, food profiteering, water profiteering, air profiteering.

It also pulls the money rug out from under the psychopaths that have matriculated to the top of the money/power heap (ALL money systems promote the most ruthless and psychopathic; They are the Ones who are willing to do ANYTHING to get, and keep, money/power over Others). They become equals with all the rest of Us, accountable as Individuals, as are the rest of Us.

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Also, I offer a 10 minute nutshell here, wherein to focus on the ideas, I remain anonymous:



For Us to choose to eliminate the need to exchange to survive, the ideas need to hit the tipping point – about 10% – and then it will seem everyOne is talking about it and 90+% will know about it. And THEN…

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« Last Edit: December 09, 2013, 09:00:37 AM by Amaterasu »
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Re: Foundations of Economics
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2013, 03:23:31 PM »
We're still a long way from free energy and universal 3-D printers.

It seems to me that a certain truth needs to be firmly grasped: "socialism" is inevitable. We need to understand that and formulate a society around it, that still respects personal liberty.

I have always loved libertarian ideas and despised state control of anything. However, robots and automation will eventually wipe out most paid employment.  God help us if they design an AI program that can sell burgers and fries - our economy would collapse.

We are going to have to manage the fact that most of us will one day depend on welfare, food stamps, or unemployment to sustain us.  At the same time, we will have to struggle with the paradox of personal liberty amidst state support.  There's no way around it.

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Re: Foundations of Economics
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2013, 05:04:52 PM »
We're still a long way from free energy and universal 3-D printers.

It seems to me that a certain truth needs to be firmly grasped: "socialism" is inevitable. We need to understand that and formulate a society around it, that still respects personal liberty.

I have always loved libertarian ideas and despised state control of anything. However, robots and automation will eventually wipe out most paid employment.  God help us if they design an AI program that can sell burgers and fries - our economy would collapse.

We are going to have to manage the fact that most of us will one day depend on welfare, food stamps, or unemployment to sustain us.  At the same time, we will have to struggle with the paradox of personal liberty amidst state support.  There's no way around it.

The 3D printers are not required...  And Humans have free energy on this planet NOW - and have for well over 50 years.

"Socialism" is a scarcity paradigm solution.  This is abundancism - where One can own as much or as little as One wants - and "more" does NOT equal "higher status."  It merely means You are willing to worry about and care for more stuff.

Robots don't "wipe out" anything in abundancism except the need for money, filling in in necessary positions no One (or not enough People) wants to do, freeing Those who DON'T want to do those things to do what They WANT to do.

In abundancism there are no "jobs."  Only work One CHOOSES to do because One cares.

So YES, there IS a way around it.  We don't have to depend on welfare, food stamps, or unemployment to sustain Us.  There won't be such things, as We all can go to the web and order whatever is available - food, clothing, housing, tools, supplies, services for FREE.

And with a solutocracy and the three Laws, there is no controlMIND (governMENT) to restrict Us outside of the three Laws.  Life, freedom and pursuit of happiness are ultimately available.
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Re: Foundations of Economics
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2013, 10:57:12 PM »
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And Humans have free energy on this planet NOW

Sorry, I don''t believe that statement at all, please, someone prove it and hear say is no proof. If no one can prove it then it is just talk. There is a big "NOW" up there, like we all have the answer. I don't believe it at all. It goes against everthing in the Universe. There is no such thing as free energy except from the sun and what ever space can give us. So if you are a plant you are getting free energy. And even the sun is paying for its energy by dieing a little each day.
 
I say until the day someone can really prove what the NOW is, the rest of the idea should be shelved. Everything I see writen is based on it. Imagine I wrote a story and my lead in was Humans can fly and It is in black somewhere and the rest of my idea was based on us flying.
 
Humans can now fly. The Elites are holding this back, we need to put presure on the gubermint to release this tech. Its name is the "feather project". Once it is relesed it will free our check books from many outlays. We will no longer need any means of transportation, Jets, train, ships and cars will be a thing of the past. We just zip to where we want to go. Add a space suit and were off to the moon.  Since all means of transportation will stop, all the polution and energy needs from them will stop also. Our world will be a cleaner place and have more energy to use for daily life. Thank you.   
 
See how that sounds?
 
The burden of proving this idea is now on me.
 
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Re: Foundations of Economics
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2013, 11:41:13 PM »
Carry on in Your disbelief, Deuem.  I have MY experiences with My father, and His keen excitement about His work, and what it meant the world I would grow up in would look like because of it.

If it had not gone black, I would have a flying car, a floating house, and We all would have free energy.  Just like He said.

So whether You choose to believe Me (and LaViolette, Naudin, Valone, and Others) or not, electrogravitics offers both gravity control and extracts energy from the ["dark," zero point, "vacuum," radiant, orgone, plenum] energy pool We swim in.

And yes, if We were doing it 50+ years ago, I'm pretty certain We are doing it NOW.
« Last Edit: December 09, 2013, 11:49:37 PM by Amaterasu »
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Re: Foundations of Economics
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2013, 11:42:43 PM »
i was just gonna say, solar and wind power are free energy, once you buy them. hehe

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Re: Foundations of Economics
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2013, 11:48:48 PM »
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And yes, if We were doing it 50+ years ago, I'm pretty certain We are doing in NOW.

amen to that.  after hubby told me about the craft he saw some 20+ years ago, as part of a war games event on hill afb, i knew something was up.  and it wasn't a stealth fighter either. sounded more like the thing people described in the phoenix lights sighting..  huge, gun metal black, totally silent, no engines, no insignias, moving slowly over his head in broad daylight on the flight line, then it crossed down the flight line and took off in these leaping movements nearly straight up

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Re: Foundations of Economics
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2013, 01:02:52 AM »
Carry on in Your disbelief, Deuem.  I have MY experiences with My father, and His keen excitement about His work, and what it meant the world I would grow up in would look like because of it.

If it had not gone black, I would have a flying car, a floating house, and We all would have free energy.  Just like He said.

So whether You choose to believe Me (and LaViolette, Naudin, Valone, and Others) or not, electrogravitics offers both gravity control and extracts energy from the ["dark," zero point, "vacuum," radiant, orgone, plenum] energy pool We swim in.

And yes, if We were doing it 50+ years ago, I'm pretty certain We are doing it NOW.

This is not any easy answer/question to do with out making it a personal one which I am going to try my best to do Third party if I can.
 
 
When someone tells me that their parents told them something I can believe it or not. I don't know if the child made up the story or the parents made up a bed time story for the kids. Parents make things up all the time. things like floating cities and cars that run on nothing.
 
I think I can say that I believe you believe it. But in the real world a belief mounted on a childhood story is what? A story or the truth. We the readers have no way of validating it.
 
Electrogravitics does not mean free energy. It means using energy to balance the fields of gravity. I don't think it is possible to use energy to make EG and then produce more enery than is put in. It might cause a chain reaction unable to stop.
 
It might extract energy from the ["dark," zero point, "vacuum," radiant, orgone, plenum] energy pool but that is fiction right now. Another story not proved. Yes there is EG and Yes it could fly saucers but rather it produces more energy than it starts off with is a myth for now.
 
So even if the story is true, we don't have it yet and until that day the rest of the work is built on a myth. I believe this is a major reason I am having a problem with the rest of the work, it is based on something I can't see, feel or hear.  It's a conclusion based on "X"  No X, the story is fiction.
 
If there was anyway to rewrite the story without the myth, maybe it would fly better. I don't see why we have to go free energy to get away from money. There has to be another way. There is always another way. We just have to get away from the problems it causes.
 
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Re: Foundations of Economics
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2013, 09:32:50 AM »
Deuem, I understand the lack of willingness to just "believe" someOne's "story."  But I also suggest that

1.  I have been consistent
2.  My memories meshed well with Linda's story
3.  I had never had contact with Linda until after My memories had cleared up (most were vague bits and flashes before I read the word "electrogravitics" a few years back; at that time the memories cleared substantially)
4.  I have shown how EG can be used in extracting usable energy from the plenum in My Electrogravitics thread
5.  The story told in Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion meshes exactly with My memories and says that FE is extractable.

So.  Again, You choose, but I can assure You that I would NOT be this driven to offer a solution based on mere "stories."

No, it is NOT available to all Humans, specifically because of its energy extraction capabilities, as I show with the OP the threat free energy creates for TPTB.  THEY keep it will hidden and under control lest We become free.
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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2013, 10:01:40 AM »
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4.  I have shown how EG can be used in extracting usable energy from the plenum in My Electrogravitics thread

I'm sorry, I didnt update my self on that thread. Did you show how it works or how it could work or how you think it might work. Please give a link to the exact place and I'll go read it again.
 
How I remember those times as a kid was everyone was talking about free power. Even at the Worlds Fair they had exibits of flying cars and floating homes running off of unlimmited free power.  That power was neclear power. They said that every home would have it and the electric bill would run nothing.  Even showed Saucers for the family.
 
If you take into consideration that neclear power is 1 million times more powerful than oil, they all must have thought this was it.  They found free electricity.  In a manner of speaking it is so cheap you cant record it. It is all the suport that costs the money. I also would not doubt that there are some isotopes that might even produce a better rate than above.
 
So I think if one went back in time this is exactly what they ae talking about and it was released to Joe Public.  I don't think they hid anything. If you only look at the power producing side of Neclear power it is so fantastic it is un-believable. Now we all know the price we have to pay is not what they claimed but they did it. I think this and other forms of neclear power is what they all worked on and kept it black and released to power plants to the people who had the money and ifastructure to build them.
 
There is no majic pill hiding in a deep dark lab they they will give us...Until then it is a myth!

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Re: Foundations of Economics
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2013, 12:15:50 PM »

I'm sorry, I didnt update my self on that thread. Did you show how it works or how it could work or how you think it might work. Please give a link to the exact place and I'll go read it again.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum1/index.php?topic=1308.0
 
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How I remember those times as a kid was everyone was talking about free power. Even at the Worlds Fair they had exibits of flying cars and floating homes running off of unlimmited free power.  That power was neclear power. They said that every home would have it and the electric bill would run nothing.  Even showed Saucers for the family.

Well, yes.  They propagandized nuke energy when EG went black (to cover for the info going around about EG and the "rumors")  But truth is, The Jetsons was concocted with EG in mind, but not the understanding that free energy = no need for money.  But to be sure, nuclear energy does NOT offer the gravitics element, and would be very inefficient for maintaining loft.

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If you take into consideration that neclear power is 1 million times more powerful than oil, they all must have thought this was it.  They found free electricity.  In a manner of speaking it is so cheap you cant record it. It is all the suport that costs the money. I also would not doubt that there are some isotopes that might even produce a better rate than above.

Actually, They knew EXACTLY what They had.  Being the psychopaths They are, They used propaganda.  I remember a school presentation where They hyped nuke energy with assurances it was clean and essentially free.

Propaganda to put in place deadly nuke facilities just waiting for 9+ quakes and other disasters, and meltdown.
 
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So I think if one went back in time this is exactly what they ae talking about and it was released to Joe Public.  I don't think they hid anything. If you only look at the power producing side of Neclear power it is so fantastic it is un-believable. Now we all know the price we have to pay is not what they claimed but they did it. I think this and other forms of neclear power is what they all worked on and kept it black and released to power plants to the people who had the money and ifastructure to build them.

Um, no...  I am very well aware of the differences, and I do recommend reading Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion.

Also check out these links if You can there in the great east lands:

PDF's Electrogravitics:

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA227121
http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0211/0211001.pdf
http://www.ssrsi.org/Onsite/PDFbin/Biefeld-Brown%20Effect.pdf
http://www.rqm.ch/Central%20Oscillator%20and%20SpaceQuantaMedium.pdf
http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/files/ElectrograviticsElectrokineticsValone.pdf
http://www.integrityresearchinstitute.org/Loder.PDF
http://users.teilar.gr/~a.a.nass/files/C6.pdf
http://www.checktheevidence.com/pdf/The%20Case%20for%20AntiGravity-booklet.pdf
http://www.ostfalia.de/export/sites/default/de/pws/turtur/NeuesVerzeichnis/Film_englisch.pdf

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YouTube Electrogravitics:






And a demonstration of discs encased in resin to eliminate the "ion wind" effect:




"ELECTROGRAVITICS SYSTEMS"
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http://www.padrak.com/ine/INE24.html
 
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There is no majic pill hiding in a deep dark lab they they will give us...Until then it is a myth!

No.  Until then They maintain control of something that could benefit Humanity.  But with what I show, it cannot be a "myth."  (Or, it's as much a "myth" as stealth was before They admitted that.)
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Re: Foundations of Economics
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2013, 02:52:28 PM »
amen to that.  after hubby told me about the craft he saw some 20+ years ago, as part of a war games event on hill afb, i knew something was up.  and it wasn't a stealth fighter either. sounded more like the thing people described in the phoenix lights sighting..  huge, gun metal black, totally silent, no engines, no insignias, moving slowly over his head in broad daylight on the flight line, then it crossed down the flight line and took off in these leaping movements nearly straight up

Thank You, Beth.  Yes, MANY have seen things that EG could explain, and that is the reason I think most UFO's are Ours.
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Re: Foundations of Economics
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2013, 06:22:24 PM »
I could spend the next 6 months chasing my tail on all of the leads with in leads you have posted.
I still found nothing concrete on a first pass. Mostly a lot of ifs, whats and theories. I never said that EM or EMG was not a real force. I only said I see no proof yet that this can and does generate Over unity. It may develope huge amounts of power like the neclear industry does. But for actually creating from scratch new power is still a myth.
 
Even Lazars UFO runs on a chip, pull the chip, it stops. If it were over unity, all you would need to do is place the chip one time and pull it out and it would run forever. No overunity here. Lots of power, YES.  Is it Cheap? ask Lazar.
 
I see it as if a lot of these people are trying to release power from another source. Hence your dark energy. But still that is not over unity, it is just burning another coal. And who knows how dangerous that will be.  Even the big bang was a release of power and not a creation of one.
 
Since you are now dedicating your entire life to this project I will go and sit on the fence, when you find the hidden goodies let me know.  If you think one can get enough power out of EG to run the world then it is your job to go after that. I don't have the time you do. Becareful you don't self destruct with this fetish.
 
 
Until then, I will wait for the movie. I will buy the popcorn.
 
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Re: Foundations of Economics
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2013, 09:49:39 PM »
I could spend the next 6 months chasing my tail on all of the leads with in leads you have posted.
I still found nothing concrete on a first pass. Mostly a lot of ifs, whats and theories. I never said that EM or EMG was not a real force. I only said I see no proof yet that this can and does generate Over unity. It may develope huge amounts of power like the neclear industry does. But for actually creating from scratch new power is still a myth.
 
Even Lazars UFO runs on a chip, pull the chip, it stops. If it were over unity, all you would need to do is place the chip one time and pull it out and it would run forever. No overunity here. Lots of power, YES.  Is it Cheap? ask Lazar.
 
I see it as if a lot of these people are trying to release power from another source. Hence your dark energy. But still that is not over unity, it is just burning another coal. And who knows how dangerous that will be.  Even the big bang was a release of power and not a creation of one.
 
Since you are now dedicating your entire life to this project I will go and sit on the fence, when you find the hidden goodies let me know.  If you think one can get enough power out of EG to run the world then it is your job to go after that. I don't have the time you do. Becareful you don't self destruct with this fetish.
 
 
Until then, I will wait for the movie. I will buy the popcorn.
 
Deuem

I never said (recently except in quotes once I saw the difference between "overunity" and "free energy") "overunity."  I said free energy. 

Once the setup I show is turned on One can loop some of the output from the generator back to the input to maintain the fields.  Then, though not perpetual, as the machine will eventually wear, the energy output is free.

And at this point You are not going to find much, as things in black ops stay in black ops if They can help it.

And the point is that free energy, even without gravity control, WILL remove the need for money.
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Re: Foundations of Economics
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2013, 10:28:05 PM »
I am on the fence.
 
Will shout out from there. "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS OVERUNITY"  ok, you are allowed to toss apples at the hecklers.
 
There is however the possibility of reusing power and also getting as close to 100% as one can. We are infants in using the power we have. A car only needs a tail pipe because of this waste. All pollution is caused by the inability of consuming every ounce of power they started with. If you could invent a car that had no tail pipe and it used every ounce of gas you put in it, I could travel around for months on a tank of gas. If any of these guys/gals you talk about invented 100% utilization of any power source then it would go black. Think of all the weight it would save on a fighter jet if it could launch armed with tons of bombs more because it only needed a liter of gas to fly around the world. Parts of this are in Myth, other parts are being worked on. We need 100% or at least 99.99999% will do.
 
On the recycle of power. It looks like that might be able to be done also. If could actually reuse the electricity that gets wasted say 5 times, then my bill would drop from 100 to 20 and I would love someone. Not free but more economic. Still in myth at the moment.
 
I think you will eventually find these types and more hidden in the black world because they would disrupt our world. No different than saying the moon has an alien race living there now. Our world would stop. Yah know, just maybe, these people you seem to not like are doing us all a big favor. Maybe they are really on our side and you can't see it yet.
 
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