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"Geoengineering" - A Conclusive Photo?
« on: August 17, 2013, 09:55:16 AM »


Looks pretty conclusive to Me.
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Re: "Geoengineering" - A Conclusive Photo?
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2013, 10:51:17 AM »
Not to me. :)



I have seen that happen in many races.

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Re: "Geoengineering" - A Conclusive Photo?
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2013, 02:11:37 PM »
Huh?  I'm not getting Your point.  Long trails of "cloud-like" stuff hanging in the air for hours and spreading out coming off some place of the vehicles that has no exhaust?

Really, ArMaP...  I'm lost.
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Re: "Geoengineering" - A Conclusive Photo?
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2013, 02:31:50 PM »
Huh?  I'm not getting Your point.  Long trails of "cloud-like" stuff hanging in the air for hours and spreading out coming off some place of the vehicles that has no exhaust?
In the Formula 1 car in the photo we can also see trails of "cloud-like" stuff (it's condensation of the water in the air) that are coming of some place that has no exhaust.

It's an aerodynamic effect, the air is pushed from several places into some specific places to reduce the creation of vortices and the resulting loss of efficiency. When the air has a high level of humidity it makes that effect that, at high altitudes and lower pressures is more likely to remain for a long time.

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Re: "Geoengineering" - A Conclusive Photo?
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2013, 02:54:36 PM »
Hon, You can't get Me to believe that We're talking of the same thing here.  The ENGINES are not creating a contrail even, and THAT much stuff (which can't be chalked up to changes in jet fuel, like Phage uses as to why NOW We see persistent "contrails") cannot be explained, especially when it persists, in the manner You are offering.

Really, ArMaP.
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Re: "Geoengineering" - A Conclusive Photo?
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2013, 03:45:44 PM »
Hon, You can't get Me to believe that We're talking of the same thing here.
That's OK, I'm a fan of people learning by themselves, I just like to speed up the process when I can. :)

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The ENGINES are not creating a contrail even, and THAT much stuff (which can't be chalked up to changes in jet fuel, like Phage uses as to why NOW We see persistent "contrails") cannot be explained, especially when it persists, in the manner You are offering.
There's no need for jet engines, as you can see (but do not believe) with the Formula 1 car, although the most common contrails are a result of the humid and hot air coming out of the engines.

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Really, ArMaP.
Yes, really, I really said that. :)

Maybe this page will help, although you will probably ignore the information presented in it because you don't believe it. :)

Aerodynamic and Rainbow Contrails

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Re: "Geoengineering" - A Conclusive Photo?
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2013, 03:56:22 PM »
Not to me. :)



I have seen that happen in many races.

What ArMap was showing is in fact quite common and has nothing to do with Engines,
but as he said, it is to do with aerodynamics and atmospheric conditions involving Humidity
and Temperature.

The Rear Air foil on the F1 car is what generates this Phenomena.

Similar to these features in aircraft.





This design of wingtip may increase water vapour or decrease the affect, but I am no expert.
J. Lear would be able to enlighten us on this.
 


Often on take off we see this phenomena too from wing tips.

But the condensed water vapour soon disperses, because it has taken place in higher temperatures
than what is present at high altitudes. As you know Icing is a common phenomena in high altitude aircraft,
so they heat the leading edges of the aircraft to de ice.

Often Chemical Spray is invisible.

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Re: "Geoengineering" - A Conclusive Photo?
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2013, 05:21:42 PM »
I didn't say the phenomenon did not exist.  I'm saying that is NOT what We are seeing in the OP photo.  Look at the thickness, ropiness, and, for what We can see, persistence.

The water vapor theory would have shown some degree of dissipation from the point of the plane and the edge of the photo, and would NOT have that ropiness going that far from the plane.
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Re: "Geoengineering" - A Conclusive Photo?
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2013, 05:38:17 PM »
The water vapor theory would have shown some degree of dissipation from the point of the plane and the edge of the photo, and would NOT have that ropiness going that far from the plane.
Why?   ???

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Re: "Geoengineering" - A Conclusive Photo?
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2013, 05:40:49 PM »
Why?   ???

I have watched the behavior of water vapor for over 50 years and can tell that is NOT the way it behaves?

Whatever, dear ArMaP.  You're right.
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Re: "Geoengineering" - A Conclusive Photo?
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2013, 06:30:42 PM »
Looks pretty conclusive to Me.

Conclusive of WHAT? 

It appears you are not familiar with wing tip Vortex effects :D




Any pilot of a small airplane like a Cesna that has ever crossed the path of one of those can explain it to ya  providing he survives having hos wings torn off :P





Not EVERYTHING is a CHEMTRAIL...

It is this misconception that makes it hard for Chemtrailers to be taken seriously ;)


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Re: "Geoengineering" - A Conclusive Photo?
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2013, 06:33:07 PM »
Whatever, dear ArMaP.  You're right.

He is right this time :P

Here is a dramatic effect created by all the wing surfaces  (the sun is behind the plane hence the rainbow effect)



These are true condensation trails not chemtarils as they are not created by the exhaust of the engines but disturbances of the air by the surfaces of the wing and tail

LOL I actually got called a troll and blocked when I pointed this out to someone on FB :P
« Last Edit: August 17, 2013, 06:35:42 PM by zorgon »

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Re: "Geoengineering" - A Conclusive Photo?
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2013, 06:34:49 PM »
I'm sorry, z, but the pics YOU show, look like water vapor to Me, and You can see the dissipation in the pics, too - in MUCH shorter distances.

But Y'all are right.
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Re: "Geoengineering" - A Conclusive Photo?
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2013, 06:39:44 PM »
Well there is no doubt that geoengineering exists :P  but a lot of what people call chemtrails is really a result of overall changes in the climate...

Doesn't really matter because those that believe everything is a chemtrail and every chemtrails is bad for you and relateted to HAARP earthquake machines won't believe ya anyway. ;)

But we do try to look more closely at the difference here ;)

This one is pretty :D


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Re: "Geoengineering" - A Conclusive Photo?
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2013, 06:41:35 PM »
Now on the other side of the coin we have Exhibit NASA #A1

Lets see what ArMaP says about this one :D



 


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