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Offline zorgon

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Re: VINDICATION!!!
« Reply #60 on: February 11, 2012, 04:36:17 AM »
So based on that, the original article from LROC and the reply we got... we should make a presentation to that department of SETI and see where it leads us.

Anyone up to putting it together?

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Re: VINDICATION!!!
« Reply #61 on: February 11, 2012, 04:42:28 AM »
Some examples from their documents

Khorezmian Fortress Koy-Krylgan-Kala

This was a dig site on Earth... before and after. It was thought to be a crater, but was in fact an old fortress


Fig. 1 The ancient Khorezmian fortress Koy-Krylgan-kala appeared as an impact crater on the air photo (left); its artificiality is obvious after the excavations in 1956 (right) [6].


The air view of the Ancient Assyrian ruins of Assur resemble the lunar lattice in Fig. 6.


Fig. 5 The example of a wafer find (image LHD5472Q.287)


Fig. 2 Simulation of probable HIRES view of ancient settlement on the Moon (left). The erosion wipes off the surface tracks of construction (center), but the SAAM processing could reveal the rectangular anomaly (right).

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Alexey V. Arkhipov is a researcher at the Institute of Radio Astronomy, National Academy of Sciences of the Ukraine, and an Assistant professor at National Kharkov University. He has a Ph.D. in astrophysics and radio astronomy (Main Astronomical Observatory at the National Academy of Sciences of the Ukraine, Kyiv, 1998). The title of his dissertation was "New approaches to the problem of search for extra-terrestrial intelligence." Dr. Arkhipov's research involves the study of decametric radio emissions of Jupiter and non-classical approaches to SETI (e.g. archaeological reconnaissance of the Moon). He is the author of Selenites (http://www.setileague.org/articles/selenite.htm) and more than 100 technical and scientific articles. Dr. Arkhipov is the SETI League's Volunteer Coordinator for the Ukraine. He is a member of the SETI Center (Moscow), the Society for Planetary SETI Research (SPSR), and the SETI section of the Council on Astronomy of the Russian Academy ofSciences. His curriculum vitae can be found at http://www.setileague.org/admin/alexey.htm

So we have all the contact info we need to get this underway. And I have seen much better examples of lattice work in some of those pictures that John posted over the years.

Its time to step this up to the next level.

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Re: VINDICATION!!!
« Reply #62 on: February 11, 2012, 04:53:31 AM »
This next example is on Mars, but I figured it was really important to add to this thread. NASA labeled this area Inca City... for a very good reason

Mars Global Surveyor
"INCA CITY"
MOC wide-angle image E09-00186



Images Credit: NASA/JPL/Malin Space Science Systems

Malin Space Systems: E09-00186.gif

In this image you can see that the 'Inca City' appears to be buried in sand. From this view you can make out the circular pattern. The 'circular wall' in the upper left continues across gullies and rises. It would be interesting to dig at this location.

"Inca City" is Part of a Circular Feature
MGS MOC Release No. MOC2-319, 8 August 2002



Images Credit: NASA/JPL/Malin Space Science Systems

Malin Space Systems

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"Inca City" is the informal name given by Mariner 9 scientists in 1972 to a set of intersecting, rectilinear ridges that are located among the layered materials of the south polar region of Mars. Their origin has never been understood; most investigators thought they might be sand dunes, either modern dunes or, more likely, dunes that were buried, hardened, then exhumed. Others considered them to be dikes formed by injection of molten rock (magma) or soft sediment into subsurface cracks that subsequently hardened and then were exposed at the surface by wind erosion.


Images Credit: NASA/JPL/Malin Space Science Systems

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The Mars Global Surveyor (MGS) Mars Orbiter Camera (MOC) has provided new information about the "Inca City" ridges, though the camera's images still do not solve the mystery. The new information comes in the form of a MOC red wide angle context frame taken in mid-southern spring, shown above left and above right. The original Mariner 9 view of the ridges is seen at the center. The MOC image shows that the "Inca City" ridges, located at 82?S, 67?W, are part of a larger circular structure that is about 86 km (53 mi) across. It is possible that this pattern reflects an origin related to an ancient, eroded meteor impact crater that was filled-in, buried, then partially exhumed. In this case, the ridges might be the remains of filled-in fractures in the bedrock into which the crater formed, or filled-in cracks within the material that filled the crater. Or both explanations could be wrong. While the new MOC image shows that "Inca City" has a larger context as part of a circular form, it does not reveal the exact origin of these striking and unusual martian landforms.

Mariner 9
"INCA CITY"



Images Credit: NASA/JPL/Malin Space Science Systems

NASA Frame Number 4212-15

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Mariner 9 image of the "Inca City". During the Mariner 9 mission, scientists found an unusual rectilinear structure associated with the south polar pitted terrain which they dubbed the "Inca City". Located near -80 degrees latitude and 64 degrees longitude, it is likely the result of wind deflation of deposits from underlying rough terrain. The "cells" in the image are about 4-5 kilometers in width.

Viking 2
"INCA CITY"



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NASA Frame number F225B69

Viking 2 image of the region around the "Inca City". Viking 2 also imaged the region, but no evidence of the feature was visible in this image from orbit 225. It has been enhanced to bring out the details (noise reduced and contrast enhanced). The resolution of the original image is 0.544 km/pixel and is centered at -81.56 degrees latitude and 69.82 degrees longitude. Reproduced from volume 55 of the Mission to Mars: Viking Orbiter Images of Mars CD-ROM set.

Viking 2
"INCA CITY"



Images Credit: NASA/JPL/Malin Space Science Systems

NASA Frame number F421B64

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Viking 2 image of the region around the "Inca City". On a later orbit (421), Viking 2 again imaged the region. This time, the Inca City is clearly visible. This image was taken through the red filter. It has been enhanced to bring out the details (noise reduced and contrast enhanced). The resolution of this image is 0.146 km/pixel and is centered at -81.82 degrees latitude and 59.59 degrees longitude. Reproduced from volume 59 of the Mission to Mars: Viking Orbiter Images of Mars CD-ROM set.

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Re: VINDICATION!!!
« Reply #63 on: February 11, 2012, 05:06:43 AM »
Archaeological sites on Earth from above

Here is a photo of Ur in Iraq for comparrison  Some areas are still not uncovered


Aerial photograph taken March 12, 1930, showing the excavations of the Royal Cemetery. The finger-like projections are dumps of excavated soil.

Finding the Cemetery


Aerial view of the Nanna complex at Ur (Tell al Mugayyar). Image Source

Here you can see UR from google Earth... clearly shows the dug areas and the still covered lattices







Ziggurat of UR - Pegasus Page

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Re: VINDICATION!!!
« Reply #64 on: February 11, 2012, 05:11:41 AM »
Mars Orbiter Camera (MOC) High Resolution Images:
Rectilinear Ridges In South Polar Layered Terrain ("Inca City")
March 13, 1998



Image Credit: Malin Space Systems/NASA

Mars Orbiter Camera (MOC) High Resolution Images:
Rectilinear Ridges In South Polar Layered Terrain ("Inca City")


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(A) Portion of Viking Orbiter 2 image 421B64, reproduced here (click on icon) at full resolution of about 179 meters (585 feet) per picture element. The outlines of (B) is shown. North is up, sun illumination is from the top.


Image Credit: Malin Space Systems/NASA

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(B) Highest-resolution pre-Mars Global Surveyor view. Image is a portion of Mariner 9 DAS #8044333. Click on the small view above to see the image at full spatial resolution of approximately 100 meters (327 feet) per pixel. White box indicates location of MOC image (C). North is approximately "up", sun illumination is from top/upper right.


Image Credit: Malin Space Systems/NASA

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(C) Subframe of MOC image 7908 reproduced at full resolution, about 23 meters/pixel (75 feet/pixel). Picture shows an area approximately 20 x 14 km (12.4 x 8.7 miles) in size. Sun illumination is from upper left.

This set of rectilinear, intersecting ridges was first seen in images taken by Mariner 9 in 1972 (see context frame B). The superficial resemblance to ancient ruins led to their informal name, "Inca City". As 1997 turned to 1998, MOC obtained this stunning high-resolution view during the 79th orbit of Mars Global Surveyor. The subframe depicted here is centered on 81.54?S latitude, 64.28?W longitude.

Except for the small dark dots, everything in this image is covered by a moderately thin (probably less than a meter) layer of seasonal, CO2 frost.

CREDIT: Malin Space Systems/NASA Paper

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Re: VINDICATION!!!
« Reply #65 on: May 28, 2012, 12:01:15 PM »
So based on that, the original article from LROC and the reply we got... we should make a presentation to that department of SETI and see where it leads us.

Anyone up to putting it together?

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Re: VINDICATION!!!
« Reply #66 on: May 29, 2012, 01:44:09 AM »
How may we be of assistance?

Since the LRO scientists told us that they decided to let SETI do it instead of us 'amateurs' , the next step would be finding out which group at SETI got that 'job'  Then we can contact them and see if we can get in on it.

I was planning to do that earlier but got sidetracked. I can ask the LRO team for a contact name and number or I can try to find a professor who has already done work like this (He is posted in the work above if I recall)

That would be the next step   8)

If they blow us off like the LRO guys did, then we know that the idea was not a serious request

 


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