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Re: VINDICATION!!!
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2011, 09:52:38 PM »
List of websites already covering this... (some links and leads provided by Sky Otter earlier) This should make the skeptics squirm :P

ASU Researchers Propose Looking for Ancient Alien Artifacts on the Moon
Universe Today

ASU cosmologist suggests studying moon for alien artifacts - [PDF][Archived]
Physorg.com

ASU Researchers Propose Looking for Ancient Alien Artifacts on the Moon
Space City

Are Aliens On The Moon? Scientists Want YOU To Join The Search
Huffington Post

THE SEARCH FOR EXTRATERRESTRIAL ARTIFACTS (SETA) ROBERT A. FREITAS JR. - [PDF][Archived]
Xenology Research Institute, 8256 Scottsdale Drive, Sacramento, California 95828, USA.


Look for alien artifacts on moon, says renowned scientist
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LRO image of Apollo 17 site. Image credit: NASA/GSFC/ASU


This LRO image shows Surveyor 6 (that landed on the moon on November 10, 1967) casting an 18 meter-long shadow with the Sun just 8° above the horizon. Image credit: NASA/GSFC/Arizona State University.


LRO image of the Apollo 17 Lunar Module Challenger descent stage. Image credit: NASA/GSFC/Arizona State University.


The Marius Hills pit, shown in this LRO image, is thought to be a possible skylight in a lava tube, in an ancient volcanic region. Image credit: NASA/GSFC/Arizona State University.

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Re: VINDICATION!!!
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2011, 10:50:42 PM »
This is strange.
I'd like to get a copy of the paper.


Searching for alien artifacts on the moon
P.C.W. Daviesa, R.V. Wagner
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0094576511003249

Price is $41.00  I have written the authors to see if I can get a free copy

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Re: VINDICATION!!!
« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2011, 10:31:30 AM »
Got a link to that Russian guy? Might be important.

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Only a handful of people would believe the Russian Guy's I talk of which would consist of anyone who believes in the stargate program, and as ya know the Russian work is well beyond the COS method    :P 

Hope you had a nice holiday mate!   :D


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Re: VINDICATION!!!
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2011, 11:45:39 AM »
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0094576511003249
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Vitae

 Paul Davies is Director of the Beyond Center for Fundamental Concepts in Science at Arizona State University. His research spans cosmology, astrobiology and theoretical physics. He has made important contributions to quantum field theory in curved spacetime, with applications to inflationary cosmology and black holes. He was among the first to champion the possibility that microbial life could be transferred between Mars and Earth in impact ejecta. He also runs a major cancer research program funded by the National Cancer Institute. He is the author of 28 books, including most recently The Eerie Silence: Renewing Our Search for Alien Intelligence.
also bio here...http://cosmos.asu.edu/about/bio.htm
contact info here     http://cosmos.asu.edu/contact.htm
 
  Robert Wagner is an undergraduate student at Arizona State University majoring in Earth and Space Exploration. He works as a Research Technician in the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Science Operations Center, where he is responsible for image evaluation and assessment. He has broad expertise in earth sciences and computing.
 contact info here http://sese.asu.edu/people/robert-wagner


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http://www.itwire.com/science-news/space/51983-aliens-on-moon-will-the-search-begin

If aliens left evidence of their prior visitations on the moon, NASA would already know about it... in fact, they would…Aliens on Moon: Will the search begin?
William Atkins
Saturday, 31 December 2011 06:27

Science - Space

Page 1 of 2Human explorers have ventured onto the Moon, but have aliens also made similar footsteps on the lunar surface? If the recommendation of two scientists is carried out, astronomers may make a search of the Moon for past evidence that aliens have visited our only natural satellite.

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http://news.discovery.com/space/seti-to-scour-the-moon-for-alien-tech-111227.html

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Re: VINDICATION!!!
« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2011, 12:08:31 PM »
Everyone is excited about this announcement of looking for alien artifacts on the moon. What about the human artifacts? And I'm not talking about APOLLO!
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Re: VINDICATION!!!
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2012, 12:19:58 PM »
     spacemaverick

From

Alejandro RojasUFO and paranormal researcher and journalist

Scientists Suggest Moon Photos May Reveal Extraterrestrial Visitation

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alejandro-rojas/scientists-suggest-moon-p_b_1173124.html

Scientists from Arizona State University are proposing that closely examining high resolution photographs of the moon, retrieved by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO), may reveal "incontrovertible signatures of non-human technology." They argue that such a project is worthwhile and could be accomplished with a small budget.

More at above link. I wonder if the government would allow a launch of a private space vehicle for this purpose? Pegasus Forum is already doing a study but it would be interesting to get some pictures currently that could be trusted.  I remember John saying in another forum that pictures during a certain time period were the only ones you could trust.

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Re: VINDICATION!!!
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2012, 12:22:40 PM »
     spacemaverick

Got to thinking of alternative mentioned by someone else.  Just being able to link to the data here on earth would suffice instead of trying to launch your own vehicle.  Need to by-pass NASA though.

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Re: VINDICATION!!!
« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2012, 12:24:04 PM »
ASU is not NASA though they work with NASA. 

I am putting together a package for the team at LROC and will send it out soon. I figured to wait till after the holidays

If they are serious about this we should have a good chance as they already leaked us stuff in 2006 and did fulfill our request to look at Tsiolkovsky Crater area, where we found a lot of rocks disturbed.

I am gathering a few of our best images and will see what happens. They have access to all the full high res tiffs of all the images from LO, Apollo and LRO. They also have the huge .cub files but that requires a Linux system and a special viewing program and as the files are 1 to 2 gigabytes in size, viewing the original images will be hard on a normal PC

Hopefully if they are serious, they will look at the areas of interest from our point of view

The thread at ATS quickly turned into a derailment by the usual skeptics, even Phage, attacking the scientists to draw attention away from the concept.

I wrote a few people supporting it to stop and let it fade, and to come here and we will do this right

The mere fact that ASU even made a statement that we need to look for Alien Artifacts on the Moon images is a MAJOR victory for our side, no matter the results. It gives us credibility.

The trick now is to gather our resources and make sure they are not swamped with all the crazies out there :D

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Re: VINDICATION!!!
« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2012, 12:27:25 PM »
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0094576511003249
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Thanks Sky Otter  ;D

I will get a letter out tonight and post a copy in this thread

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Re: VINDICATION!!!
« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2012, 12:33:50 PM »
Everyone is excited about this announcement of looking for alien artifacts on the moon. What about the human artifacts? And I'm not talking about APOLLO!

Alien Artefacts, our Military Outposts, Ancient Ruins and even Apollo props :P...

Its all good for now. At least they are officially LOOKING

Now I doubt that they will be allowed to actually find anything, but they are letting amateurs do the hunting :D

I want them to look at Aristarchus, Kings' Valley, Tsiolkovsky and in particular...Daedalus Crater


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Re: VINDICATION!!!
« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2012, 05:50:55 PM »
By all means, stimulate them to examine Daedalus; lo0ks almost like Art Bell's compound out at Pahrumph  :D

Considering the amount of feces they have shoveled over the years trying to discredit and divert attention from anything of lunar origin, it does make one wonder if the PTB are quietly encouraging and/ or permitting this new push for examination as an opening to let some revelations long hidden by them to surface...

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Re: VINDICATION!!!
« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2012, 07:33:00 PM »

They also have the huge .cub files but that requires a Linux system and a special viewing program and as the files are 1 to 2 gigabytes in size, viewing the original images will be hard on a normal PC

I looked into those files Zorgs. (.cub)
You can also use a Solaris machine (Unix) to view those files. Since I have a laptop with Solaris 10 installed i have been experimenting with ways to convert those pics to PC type files (.jpg/.bmp).
[Yes! I downloaded one of those humungous 1.2 GB files  :o]
(.cub) is actually a 3D format, that is used in this instance, with a gray scale height field map. Will get back to you when I make a breakthrough on that!
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The thread at ATS quickly turned into a derailment by the usual skeptics, even Phage, attacking the scientists to draw attention away from the concept.

Phage still at it? LOL I shut him up once by accusing him of being MI6  ;D
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Re: VINDICATION!!!
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2012, 11:37:51 PM »
I looked into those files Zorgs. (.cub)

There is also ISIS (Appropriate name what? :D )

ISIS Integrated Software for Imagers and Spectrometers

This is the home page for Isis, an image processing software package. The focus of the software is to manipulate imagery collected by current and past NASA planetary missions sent to Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, and other solar system bodies.
http://isis.astrogeology.usgs.gov/


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I am looking to convert .cub files to a format such as jpg so that I can view them in windows.
Or, a windows viewer that will handle .cub files.
https://isis.astrogeology.usgs.gov/IsisSupport/index.php?topic=2304.0

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Re: VINDICATION!!!
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2012, 12:19:09 AM »
Letter to ASU

Greetings Dr Davies.

I am contacting you on behalf of our group in regards to this article;
We should scour the moon for ancient traces of aliens, say scientists

Looking for anomalies on the Moon and on Mars is something our group has been doing for many years. When we saw the announcement that you are seriously considering having amateurs look for such items to see if there might be any Alien artifacts on the Moon... well all I can say is we were stunned. For decades those of us that have looked seriously have been ridiculed and called nut cases. Despite that we have continued to look, mostly because it is interesting and fun.

There are images that one can clearly put down to pareidolia, some are most likely odd rock formations, but some are just too odd and interesting to brush off.  If you are indeed serious about this we would love the opportunity to participate, as we are already doing it anyway. And we have already had interaction with ASU, indirectly. The first time was when Mark Robinson moved from North Western University to ASU. Someone linked us to the Color Clementine images before they were moved and a few weeks before USGS released their 'Map-a-Planet' site. At the time we were posting on ATS and created a popular thread on those images
 
Revealed for the First Time Color Images of the Moon from Clementine Satellite

Patricia Garcia of USGS even wrote a thank you to me for making the opening day such a success by the number of hits we generated.

The second time was when one of my team put in a request for LRO to look at the Tsiolkovsky Crater region.. particularly the lobate land mass that appeared to be recent movement.  Yes we were seeking signs of activity, as in perhaps mining operations, but we put the request in for 'geological reasons'... looking for disturbed and/or moving rocks. The LRO did shoot that area about a week later and we found many moving rocks in the area...  ;D

It is our belief that there are things going on on the Moon, whether secret operations, alien artifacts or something else. Since all we have to work with is NASA images, and most of our systems being window based, it does limit us in the search.

I imagine also that an announcement like this will likely swamp you with people sending stuff they think is important. But we are serious and very interested. Our forum is located at http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum1/index.php. We have areas set up to be more private to avoid the trolls. If you could stop by and say hi, it would be greatly appreciated. We really would like to know more about what triggered this request. Understand that after years of ridicule, we find this idea coming from ASU a little bit of a shock, though a most welcome one.

No matter what we may or may not find, the search is important to us.

I would like to start off with one picture in particular, one that has even some hard core skeptics baffled and is easy to spot in the original without enhancements

The original image from Apollo
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-41-6156HR.jpg

The object
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/AS11_41_6156/Structure01B.png

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/AS11_41_6156/Structure01A.png

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/AS11_41_6156/Structure02a.png

The Location
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/AS11_41_6156/AS11-41-6156_Circled-Area.JPG

We would love to have a look at that crater with LRO

We have others but I will start with that one to see how we fare with this project. We naturally hope you are serious, and in reality you have little to lose except a bit of time looking over our finds. We will do the best we can to screen our best case finds. There were a lot in the old Lunar Orbiter series, despite the fact that those photos also had a lot of processing errors, and we have found some odd things in a few LRO images as well

We look forward to working with you on this project

Sincerely

Ron Schmidt

Pegasus Research Consortium
Las Vegas Nevada
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Re: VINDICATION!!!
« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2012, 03:11:40 AM »
Right, we just need a bit of media coverage of this now....  Can you imagine the headlines?

Lunatics in League with NASA in Search for Alien Moon Base

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