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Artifacts and Ooparts Pointing to Ancient Civilizations
« on: December 22, 2011, 04:58:30 AM »
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Do you know anything else about the infamous "Dropa Stones"? I have tried to find more information on these rather enigmatic stones, but eh trail gets cold after the rediscovery of them in an Austrian museum.

All I have on the Dropa Stones is here;

The Dropas

There is quite a bit to look through so better take a minute to read over it. :D There are two sides to the story, one claiming its real and one claiming it was all made up. That page was created in 2008 and I haven't updated it since... mostly because I have found nothing new.




A drawing made by Chinese archeologists


A different version of the same picture can be found here and there on the web, the difference is that the background has been removed


The same disk as black and white picture, source unknown.
The missing fragments match exactly the drawing above, the section does not clearly match



Another picture of the disk, unfortunately I have no information about this image, which is not bulletproof.

Earliest Verified Report





The Dropa - The Chinese Pyramids

The lecture is by Hartwig Hausdorf, German author of UFO & Ancient Astronaut Theory, it was given on August 9, 1997 at Lucy & Orlando Plá house in San Juan, Puerto Rico.



The Dropa - The Chinese Pyramids


The original map for this lecture was not available, but this photo of the area shows over 70 pyramids with the largest, Mount Li (circa 210 B.C.), being 15 stories tall (1,500 feet!)

I found this group of pyramids on Google Earth years ago and will cover that in a thread about the Chinese Pyramids


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Re: Artifacts and Ooparts Pointing to Ancient Civilizations
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2011, 04:59:12 AM »
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The Lolladoff Plate - Real?




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The Lolladoff Plate - Real?

It seems that Egypt is not the only place that has been visited by Aliens in ancient times. This plate called 'The Lolladoff plate' is a 12,000 year old stone dish found in Nepal. It clearly shows a disk shaped UFO (top of pic, hard to see from the angle of the plate however). There is also a figure on the disc looking remarkably similar to a Grey. Notice the spiral galaxy shape as well, with the alien inside it and the ufo at the begging of it. Galaxies come in spiral shape and through out India, Egypt and Peru and other ancient sites the spiral shape is very often seen. This galaxy spiral is probably there to tell us that they flew here from another galaxy, or the spiral shape could signify energy or eternity, other meanings attributed to the spiral by Egyptians and other ancient cultures with inexplicable advanced methods in astronomy and spirituality.

SOURCE: Mondovista

The Lolladoff Plate


The order of images on the spiral is significant if indeed this is a genuine artifact...
First a reptile, then sea creatures, then a Gray, then a spacecraft and finally a mammal... No work yet found on the runes or characters on the disk.


The Lolladoff Plate



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The Dropas:
THE LOLLADOFF PLATE:

In the David Gamon's book which tells the story invented by him of an expedition of Dr. Karyl Robin-Evans in Tibet in the land of the Dropas, a plate of Professor Lolladoff is mentioned.

According to the invented story, little time after the end of World War II, Polish professor Lolladoff showed one of the Dropa discs to an English scientist, Dr. Karyl Robin-Evans. Lolladoff claimed to have bought the disc in Mussorie in Northern India, and that the disc came from strange people called Dzopas which use such discs at the time of religious ceremonies. It is this plate that motivates Robin-Evans' Tibet expedition.

Here is the image of the infamous plate: (see above)

I was told by David Gamon the details on this matter. On my question, he informed me that he probably made a rough sketch of the plate for one of his friends who had a forgery talent and who made a black and white painting of the plate and photographed it just enoought out of focus so that it appears real. David is not very sure anymore to have made the rough sketch, it was almost 30 years ago, but he remembers well the friend who made the painting of the plate.

As for the name "Lolladoff", David Gamon sought an anagram for "loads of ball" for the name of this invented character, but that did not function. "Lolladoff" is the name which then came to him at the head.

SOURCE: Ufologie.net

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Re: Artifacts and Ooparts Pointing to Ancient Civilizations
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2011, 05:00:26 AM »
Chinese Neolithic Jade Bi Discs
The Real 'Dropa' Stones ?



China, Gansu Province, Xia Peoples. large Jade stone "Bi" Disc, Xia Dynasty (2100-1600BC), 11.5" d x .375" thick, beautiful blue jade stone with cream colored encrustation, rare heavenly ritual object

Ancient Chinese Jade "Bi Discs" were flat round pieces in the shape of a disc with a central  hole. They were used as ritual implements in sacrificial ceremonies. In the earliest dynasties (Liangzhu to Xia), it was originally used as a ritual vessel to offer sacrifices to the god(s) of the heavens, but gradually lost it's ritual function in later dynasties.  It became more decorative with finely incised designs on the disk in the Han and later periods.

SOURCE: www.artscraftsgal.com/

Bi Disc China, Liangzhu period, 3rd Millenium BC


Museum für Angewandte Kunst, Frankfurt (Germany)
Photographer:user:Dr. Meierhofer
Date: 15.08.2006


Bi Disc over 3,000 Years Old


A jade bi disc over 3,000 years old. The function and meaning of these mysterious discs are unknown. Jade was believed to confer immortality, and they are often found laid on or next to bodies in ancient Chinese burials. This one has an inscription by an 18th-century emperor, wrongly identifying it as a cup holder
Photograph: ©The Trustees of the British Museum


SOURCE: www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/gallery

Liangzhu Jade Bi Disc


The earliest jade Bi discs appeared in the Hongshan Culture in west Liaoning province. In the Taihu Lake area, however, it was excavated in a Songze tomb at the Fuquanshan Site, Shanghai. Due to close connections between Shanghai and areas of north China in ancient times, a Dawenkou painted pottery flask was also found in a major Liangzhu tomb at the Fuquanshan Site. Would it be possible that jade Bi was originally a imported object since Fuquanshan was a port at that time?

SOURCE: The Shanghaiese of 4000 Years Ago-the Liangzhu Culture

Chinese Neolithic Jade Bi Discs


Circular bi discs found in neolithic burial sites in China, circa 3000 B.C.E. The jade objects represent Heaven and in ritual were laid along limbs of the deceased. Set of four in shades of cream brown, gray, and ochre. Disk sizes: 7 1/2", 9 3/4", 11", 11 1/2". All in excellent condition.

SOURCE: www.griffingallery.net/




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Re: Artifacts and Ooparts Pointing to Ancient Civilizations
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2011, 05:19:23 AM »
Baigong Pipes


The strange landscape near Mt. Baigong

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We're all familiar with the concept of modern technology having ancient Chinese analogues. But a 2002 discovery in remote Qinghai province is anachronistic enough to constitute an OOPart. Out-of-place-artifacts are so unusual, or found in such improbable contexts, that mainstream science has no plausible explanation for them.

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Locals, residing forty kilometers southeast of Qinghai's Delingha city, have known of the pipes for centuries. They credit aliens for their construction, and even have legends of extraterrestrial visitors to Mt. Baigong. Although the stories are met with predictable skepticism, they become harder to laugh off when one takes in the sixty-meter pyramid near the mountain's summit. Superficially, the pyramid could be shrugged off as having been shaped by natural forces. For some reason, however, the structure has not been conclusively studied, at least officially.

Near the foot of Mt. Baigong lie three caves, the largest and most accessible some eight meters high by six meters deep. Inside, spanning from the roof to the back end of the cave, runs a pipe 40 cm in diameter. Another one roughly the same size runs into the earth from the floor, with just the top protruding.


A piece of Baigong pipe

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The pipes, according to tests carried out at a local smeltery, are made chiefly of iron, but with an unusual thirty percent silicon dioxide in their matrix. They are also centuries old, if Xinhua and its source, Liu Shaolin, the engineer who carried out preliminary tests, are to be believed. Strange, but easily written off as a bizarre metallurgical operation by some nomads with too much time on their hands, assuming geological origins of the eerily symmetrical pyramid.

However, dozens of pipe openings have been discovered in the mountains far above the caves. Now these nomads must be credited with some advanced system of drilling since forgotten, as there is no modern industry in the area nor record of such. Not far from the foot of Baigong sits Toson Lake, on whose beach run many more iron pipes in unlikely patterns and in a variety of diameters, toothpick-sized at the thinnest. More pipes are in the lake, some protruding above the water surface, others buried beneath the lake's bed.

Although nine Chinese scientists were reportedly dispatched to make a detailed analysis of the pipes in 2002, there has been no further information. This hasn't prevented local government from promoting the site as a tourist attraction. A CCTV crew went to Mt. Baigong soon after, accompanied by researchers from the Beijing UFO Research Association, but no record or footage of the expedition has come to our attention. If this is because such documentation would be widely laughed off, then they would at the expense of Yang Ji, a research fellow of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences who told Xinhua that the extraterrestrial theory was "understandable and worth looking into".

Then again, plain old terrestrial science has many mysteries left to be fully explained. Similar pipe-like structures have been found in the Jurassic sandstone of the Southwestern United States, as well as in Citronelle formations in Louisiana. No pyramids have been found close on, and researchers have concluded that they were formed through natural processes. But similar conclusions from scientists studying the Baigong pipes have yet to be announced, six years later.

SOURCE: China Expat

Chinese Scientists to Head for Suspected ET Relics



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DELINGHA (QINGHAI), June 19 (Xinhuanet) -- A group of nine Chinese scientists will go to west China's Qinghai Province this month to closely examine the relics thought by some to have been left by extraterrestrial beings (ET).

It will be the first time scientists seriously study the mysterious site near Delingha City in the depths of the Qaidam Basin, according to government sources with the Haixi Mongolian and Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture, where Delingha is located.

The site, known by local people as "the ET relics", is on MountBaigong about 40 kilometers to the southwest of Delingha City.

SOURCE: Xinhuanet

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Re: Artifacts and Ooparts Pointing to Ancient Civilizations
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2012, 05:00:31 PM »
This is Good Stuff!


I recently received a whole bunch of 'Books' about Atlantis and Lemuria via a research society group I joined last August.
It is very detailed on many things regarding this subject that I never knew anything about....
They are of course in PDF format now.
Some of these books are from the early part of the 20th century.
Some are newer...
Some are re-written and some are just Flat Bed Scanner scanned...
I like reading the 'Old Stuff' before there was so much dis-info put out.
Not that there wasn't any back then but, I assume a lot less...


I just do not know how to share them here.  They are quite large files and too large to even email to anyone.
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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2013, 01:21:11 PM »
No problem. You can send them via a free file sharing link and I can store them on the server.  We can also burn them onto a DVD if they are older and past copyright.


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Re: Artifacts and Ooparts Pointing to Ancient Civilizations
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2013, 01:36:53 PM »
The Instanbul rocket ship ,currently located in the Istanbul Archaeology Museum in Turkey

This is one I just ran into today...



Now one of the comments on that artifact says;

Baykar Sepoyan
It's been chemically tested and proven to be a fake. It was produced in a mold 25 years ago, and is made of plaster and ground marble.


I asked him for a link to that proof but no reply so far.  Its like you said Dood, the old stuff before all the hoaxing and fakery is better, though they did do some of that in Ancient times too ;)

Anyway this one was reposted by Robert S Thomas

A few days ago on FB Robert posted an offer for a free copy of his new book and I happened to be at the right place at the right time :D  So I am going to do a thread on his work. Seems his research is right up our alley as it were.

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Re: Artifacts and Ooparts Pointing to Ancient Civilizations
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2013, 07:03:02 PM »
New Dates for the Lion Man

Okay this is a new one for me. Never heard of the Lion man before. This article is from an Archaeological publication   :o



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ULM, GERMANY—New radiocarbon dates for bones found in the same strata as the "lion man" indicate that the Ice Age figurative sculpture is 40,000 years old, or 8,000 years older than previously thought. Carved from mammoth ivory, the first fragments of the lion man were discovered in 1939 in Germany’s Stadel Cave, just a few days before the outbreak of World War II. Archaeologists hastily filled in their trenches to protect the site and stored the sculpture in the City Museum of Ulm, where it was first reassembled in the 1970s. Recent excavations by Claus-Joachim Kind have recovered another 1,000 bits of mammoth bone that are now being added to the sculpture using computer-imaging techniques. The Ulm Museum plans to unveil the refurbished lion man in November.  See ARCHAEOLOGY’s “New Life for the Lion Man” for an in-depth look at the process of reconstructing the Ice Age masterpiece.

New Dates for the Lion Man

yet one more piece pushing the date of civilization further back... but this one 40,000 years?  DANG

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Re: Artifacts and Ooparts Pointing to Ancient Civilizations
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2013, 07:09:58 PM »
Ice Age Lion Man is world’s earliest figurative sculpture


40,000 years old: Lion Man sculpture. Photo: Thomas Stephan, © Ulmer Museum

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Work carved from mammoth ivory has been redated and 1,000 new fragments discovered—but it won’t make it to British Museum show

By Martin Bailey. Web only
Published online: 31 January 2013


The star exhibit initially promised for the British Museum’s “Ice Age Art” show will not be coming—but for a good reason. New pieces of Ulm’s Lion Man sculpture have been discovered and it has been found to be much older than originally thought, at around 40,000 years. This makes it the world’s earliest figurative sculpture. At the London exhibition, which opens on 7 February, a replica from the Ulm Museum will instead go on display.

The story of the discovery of the Lion Man goes back to August 1939, when fragments of mammoth ivory were excavated at the back of the Stadel Cave in the Swabian Alps, south-west Germany. This was a few days before the outbreak of the Second World War. When it was eventually reassembled in 1970, it was regarded as a standing bear or big cat, but with human characteristics

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This revised dating pushes the Lion Man right back to the oldest sculptures, which have been found in two other caves in the Swabian Alps. These rare finds are dated at 35,000 to 40,000 years, but the Lion Man is by far the largest and most complex piece. A few carved items have been found in other regions which are slightly older, but these have simple patterns, not figuration.

What was striking about the sculptor of the Lion Man sculptor is that he or she had a mind capable of imagination rather than simply representing real forms.

Ice Age Lion Man is world’s earliest figurative sculpture

This comment... "What was striking about the sculptor of the Lion Man sculptor is that he or she had a mind capable of imagination rather than simply representing real forms"

Either that or during that time there really were animal headed humans running around. After all we see these representations in all cultures The Vedics, Egyptian, Annunaki, Mayans etc. all show us 'gods' that had animal heads on very healthy loking human bodies.

Perhaps they were head pieces like they show us on Stargate SG1 :D but the fact remains its a common theme

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Re: Artifacts and Ooparts Pointing to Ancient Civilizations
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2013, 04:15:46 PM »
DISCO COLGANTE



Translation from Russian by Google;

Probably, this museum exhibit is a copy of the alien devaysa "flying saucer", the basis of which the engine is supermagnetron designed for vibrational mode with the symmetry axis of the third order. On three odd conductors filled cells of "vafilnogo filter", the electromagnetic wave-borne delay with respect to the even (smooth) spiral conductors. Real alien device development must be constructed magnetron technology, ie High steper symmetry and with the skin layer made of a good conductor, such as silver.

http://picotechnology.ru/disco-colgante/

Nothing further on this one yet

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Re: Artifacts and Ooparts Pointing to Ancient Civilizations
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2013, 02:21:34 AM »
Cave Art : Bison Of Tuc D'Audoubert



Bradshaw Foundation visit to view the c. 14,000 year old Bull and Cow Bison found in the Le Tuc d'Audoubert cave, Ariege, France.
by John Robinson


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The 15000 years that separated me from the child disappeared as though the time between us had been wiped away. These people were our ancestors, every bit as clever as we like to think we are, but able to survive in an environment that would kill most of us all off today. Without doubt their artistic skill was absolutely brilliant, and I believe, was more in touch with the purpose that Art should play in society than it does today.

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We followed on, turning this way and that, always sticking to the pathway. A narrow squeeze, a larger tunnel, and skirting around sections of the cave floor that had collapsed into the lower levels made by the river. No-where was there any art, the walls of the tunnel were pristine.

Time and space were so completely mixed together by now that I had no idea of either as separate identities. The Count turned to me and pointed off to the left down into a large hollow space. “Sit and Rest”, he said in French. I settled down and waited. “Look behind you”. I turned and there were the Bison, three feet away from my eyes. “Oh my God”, I exclaimed. What a moment. What an impact. I could not believe my eyes. The Bison are incredibly beautiful, incredibly powerful, and immensely full of Religious Purpose. The Cow is ready and the Bull is scenting the air. The act of conception is about to be fulfilled, and a new Life is about to be created.

The two Bison lean against a central rock that supports them, adding a scale to the scene. Because of the darkness of the cavern that surrounds the sculptures, one feels as though you are looking down from afar onto a moment of real life.

A white ribbon encircles the Bison. No one is allowed to stand, in case they accidentally fall on the Art that has been there for 15000 years. Slowly I crawled around the circle so I could see all the angles of perspective, shining my light this way and that to get the shadow effects. The great humps of the Bison were exactly like the Bison Damon and I had seen the week before in Montana. There, wild Bison still roam the valleys, as they must have done here 15000 years ago, providing meat to the Magdalenian people then, just as they had the Hunter Gatherer Indians of America.

The sculptures are a unique wonder of the Art world. Two foot long, eighteen inches high, three to four inches thick, modelled in clay, the surface given a wet finish to make them smooth. The finger strokes of the artist can be seen running down the length of the animals. The mane and beard are etched with a tool, but the marking along the jawbones are done by the artist’s fingernail. The horns are rougher and not water treated. The clay has cracks running across the bodies, indicating that the sculptures have dried out, although the clay we were sitting on is still quite pliable.

Bison Of Tuc D'Audoubert
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Re: Artifacts and Ooparts Pointing to Ancient Civilizations
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2013, 03:19:36 AM »
Mayan Rocket Ship






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The Mayan king known as “Pakal The Great” ruled from the age of 12 in 615 A.D. til his death at age 80. Pakal’s sarcophagus lid strangely appears to depict a man flying a rocket ship. The man seems  bent over with his hands on some kind of “gear-shifter” type controls. At the bottom see what appear to be flames shooting  out of a rocket. Around the edges are glyphs that depict the Sun, Moon, Venus and various star constellations. Is it possible that the Mayans could have learned Astronomy from Aliens?




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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2013, 05:48:31 PM »
Dogon Ancient Tayos Cave Collection

The Dogon artifacts warrant there own thread when I have time, but this one came by way of a fellow who claims to have seen them. He has some photos that require enhancement but he posted this one today to illustrate what he was seeing.  Doing a little searching I find that this one is for sale...



Dogon Ancient Tayos Cave Collection

Only $400.00 US  :o

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Re: Artifacts and Ooparts Pointing to Ancient Civilizations
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2013, 03:05:53 AM »
The Enigmas of Writing: The Phaistos Disk
by Jacques B.­M. Guy and Dennis J. Stallings



Face A  image Source


Face B  image Source

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One fine day in 1908, Luigi Pernier found, in an annex on the northeast periphery of the palace of Minos in Crete, in a wretched doorless shed of 140 square feet, entered through a trap door, amidst fragments of a tablet in Linear A, clay potsherds, ashes, charcoal residue, in short, amidst a bunch of trash, a circular terra cotta tablet, covered with limestone. When cleaned, it was seen to bear on its two sides some 240 hieroglyphs in an unknown script. And the writing's direction is even more remarkable than that of the Easter Island tablets: spiral! You will find a photographic reproduction on p. 44 of Writing: Man's Memory by Georges Jean in the Découverts Gallimard series. But to learn more you will have to unearth Vol. 12 of Glottometrika , published by the University of Bochum in Germany, in which Michael Trauth will explain to you very seriously and clearly all that is known about the mysterious tablet in an article entitled "The Phaistos Disk and the Devil's Advocate".

The Phaïstos Disk is in terra cotta, very fine, a little irregular. Its diameter varies from 6.2 in. /15.8 cm. to 6.5 in. /16.5 cm., its thickness from 16 to 21 mm. / 5/8 to 13/16 in. On each face a spiral line acts as a guide, like the lines in a school notebook, like the engraved grooves of the Easter Island tablets. It is generally agreed to date from the 17th century B.C., although some prefer to date it only to the 12th century B.C.; still others back to the 19th century B.C. On one face are 122 hieroglyphs in 31 groups separated by a vertical stroke. On the other are 199 in 30 groups separated likewise. I've saved the best for the last: these hieroglyphs were, not carved, but stamped! Yes, 3000­4000 years ago printing was invented. On clay, certainly, and not paper, but printing nonetheless. What do these hieroglyphs resemble? All mixed up, one sees a bald head, another like a Mohican, a St. James shell (or a baseball mitt), a donkey's jaw (or a Venetian gondola), a round shield (or a revolver barrel), a square, a dove with an olive branch, a chrysanthemum ( or a daisy), a wine press (or a beehive), in all, forty­five different signs. Proposed translations range from a hymn to Poseidon to the story of Atlantis' disappearance. And why not? To experts in cryptology, it is a well­known fact that, given an enciphered text sufficiently short, one may propose practically any decipherment without being able to decide which one is correct. Now, not only is the text of the Phaïstos disk short, 241 hieroglyphs, but the language is unknown. Even the direction of the writing is undecided: from the center to the periphery, or the opposite. There is no way of knowing, because Shannon and Weaver proved, nearly 50 years ago, that the fundamental mathematical property of texts, entropy, is the same no matter which direction one reads them in.

So?

Well, unless someone discovers somewhere hundreds of tablets covered with the same writing, or a tablet with its translation in a known language, we will never be able to decipher the Phaïstos Disk. We don't even know where it came from. Found among the contents of the trashcans of the palace of Minos, one could imagine anything. No one knows what sort of writing it is, either. Alphabetic? Some say, "No, 45 signs is too much for an alphabetic script." Come on! That's just about the number of letters in the Sanskrit alphabet. And doesn't Arabic have as many as four forms for a letter depending on the position it occupies in a word? And we ourselves, don't we have upper­ and lower­case letters which scarcely resemble each other, and therefore not 26 but 52 letters? Others have said, "There are too few signs for an ideographic system like Chinese, so it is a syllabary." Nothing is less certain. The immense majority of ancient tablets, Babylonian, Sumerian, or others are only apothecaries' accounts, taxes received, disbursements, receipts. The Phaïstos Disk could very well be a bill of lading with so much of this, so much of that. Whether it were slaves, honeycombs, zebra skins, shields, or St. James' shells, a ship's cargo is unlikely to exceed a dozen different types of articles, and therefore, few different ideograms. Some have also said, "This cannot be an ideographic system, for there would have had to have been a different stamp for each ideogram." Ah, an excellent argument! Did the Chinese deprive themselves of the invention of printing under the pretext that their writing consisted of thousands of characters?

No, truly, there is no way of knowing, it remains a complete mystery.

Needless to say,  that hasn't stopped some people from trying. As Voynichomanes, we both know that "to experts in cryptology, it is a well­known fact that, given an enciphered text sufficiently short, one may propose practically any decipherment without being able to decide which one is correct."  Many otherwise intelligent people do not know this, and think themselves geniuses for discovering new interpretations of the Phaïstos Disk. The Phaistos Disk Decipherment Update is too good to miss.

The latest breaking news: Paul Bahn, the noted archaeologist, describes the Phaistos Disk as a "large, carved stone disc" (New Scientist, No. 2121, p.44, 14 Feb. 1998). Large, carved, stone... all he got right was "disc". Probably a typo for "dish"!

The Enigmas of Writing: The Phaistos Disk

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Re: Artifacts and Ooparts Pointing to Ancient Civilizations
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2013, 03:21:24 AM »
Phaistos Disc


The Phaistos Disc (side A) location    Heraklion Archaeological Museum, Crete, Greece

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The Phaistos Disc (also spelled Phaistos Disk, Phaestos Disc) is a disk of fired clay from the Minoan palace of Phaistos on the Greek island of Crete, possibly dating to the middle or late Minoan Bronze Age (2nd millennium BC). It is about 15 cm (5.9 in) in diameter and covered on both sides with a spiral of stamped symbols. Its purpose and meaning, and even its original geographical place of manufacture, remain disputed, making it one of the most famous mysteries of archaeology. This unique object is now on display at the archaeological museum of Heraklion.

The disc was discovered in 1908 by the Italian archaeologist Luigi Pernier in the Minoan palace-site of Phaistos, and features 241 tokens, comprising 45 unique signs, which were apparently made by pressing hieroglyphic "seals" into a disc of soft clay, in a clockwise sequence spiraling toward the disc's center.

The Phaistos Disc captured the imagination of amateur and professional archeologists, and many attempts have been made to decipher the code behind the disc's signs. While it is not clear that it is a script, most attempted decipherments assume that it is; most additionally assume a syllabary, others an alphabet or logography. Attempts at decipherment are generally thought to be unlikely to succeed unless more examples of the signs are found, as it is generally agreed that there is not enough context available for a meaningful analysis.

Although the Phaistos Disc is generally accepted as authentic by archaeologists, a few scholars believe that the disc is a forgery or a hoax.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaistos_Disc

 


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