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Re: they know what you are doing
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2013, 12:22:50 PM »
The NSA can record whatever they want, for all the good it will do them.  Unless they have literally human level artificial intelligence, they are never going to have even a quarter of the manpower necessary to audit or process all of it.  Yes, to a certain extent they can already do keyword searching, but that still doesn't make them anywhere near as omniscient as articles like this try and claim.

In a speech Naomi Wolf gave a few years back, she mentioned that under the German Stasi, 10% of the population actually had a Stasi file; for the reason of simple logistics.  Tyrants are always a tiny minority of the population; which in turn means that there are always going to be vastly more people to be spied on, than there are people doing the actual spying.

The reason why I bring up the Naomi Wolf speech, is to emphasise the point that the only way surveillance really works, or can work, is by making people think that the government is omniscient, and sees everything.  It never really does; but what they want to do, more than anything else, is to make people afraid of that idea.  It's the same way they've largely destroyed peer to peer file sharing; they were never able to sue or shut down more than 1% of the people doing it, tops, but the way they managed it was by making you feel that you never knew whether or not you were going to be part of that 1%.

If you really want to help people, don't circulate articles like this.  It's baseless fearporn; and by spreading it around and raising fear and paranoia with it, you're actually playing right into the government's hands.  The main thing they want to do is keep people afraid and feeling powerless; and making the public think that they can know everything we do, before we do it, is one of the most effective ways they can do that.

Wanting to keep people informed is admirable; but before you circulate something which you hope is going to do that, it's worth asking whether or not something is really going to have a constructive effect on someone and help them, or whether it's just going to keep them feeling powerless, depressed, and afraid.  That is ultimately all this sort of information is going to do.

The only reason why the Europeans have been able to throw out Monsanto, and Americans haven't, is not because Americans have less power than people living in Europe; it's rather that they think they have less.

Contemporary America is one of the most politically cowardly populations on the planet, in my observation; and what is even worse, is that more than most other people, Americans also literally worship the instruments of their own political repression.  The President, and the military etc.  The government is not going to stop being a problem, until you literally stop thinking it is one.

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Re: they know what you are doing
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2013, 12:40:00 PM »
Petrus4, your analogy circles itself by telling us they did it in europe but in America we can't. So if they failed to talk about it, report news on it, how did they know to fight it.

That is how in America, the masses must be informed to whats happening, make decisions to stop it. We have to know about it, read news stories on it, hear first hand accounts of it in action to understand what's going on and the outside looking in collective minds now need to formulate a strategy to stop it from intruding further into the American life style of historical liberty.

This has to do with the global picture and one by one its happening. Its here now and we have to do something rather than stand by and letting it go on consuming the planet.

Americans, by worldly standards,  have it easy and people work for what they got. Not because we simply reach out and take it, we earn it by becoming responsible and raising families that takes money and consumer products to sustain that life style as life gets better by mankinds determination to keep the system propped up and running.

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Re: they know what you are doing
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2013, 01:03:14 PM »
Rise like Lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number,
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you -
Ye are many - they are few.

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« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2013, 01:38:29 PM »


i do agree that spreading gloom and doom is playing into the wrong hands

obviously i don't feel posting these articles falls into that category

first off they are not trying to intimidate with knowledge of watching you..
they were keeping it secret so as to contol you.
.big difference
and if you think it is only happening here..well look closer

helping people is getting the info to them that there is a program we need to
step on
and shout NO to..in many ways...talking is usually the start

knowledge is power
and
without knowing what the gubs are doing why would you even think about it.
.let alone talk about it and then move on it...

i have read your disdain for this country and it's humans...that saddens me cause you have
never experienced americans and what really happens when they are shaken awake
and yes until the bottom fell out of the cushy middleclass  - apathy was king

but there is nothing like financial shake up to make folks look at why..and see what needs to be done to make a change

i laugh at them equating the social cesspool as a guage ...there are many of us not on f b and bird talk
but on important sites like conspiracy stuff ( ;)..dang wierd sense of humor - sigh  ;D)



if you look at history you will witness that until they had nothing to lose most folks don't do anything...folks here are losing what they worked hard for and believe me they are looking to make a change

i just hope it won't be too much longer that it is the majority looking to make that change



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« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2013, 01:47:26 PM »

back to the story

..this guy needs to be praised
and i am sending as much protective energy as possible to him




'I will be made to suffer for my actions': Self-identified source for NSA leaks comes forward
The Guardian



Edward Snowden is the self-identified source of documents and information pertaining to government data collection programs.


By Andrew Rafferty, Staff Writer, NBC News
A 29-year-old former technical assistant for the CIA revealed in England's the Guardian newspaper Sunday that he is the source who leaked information about secret National Security Administration programs that revealed the widespread surveillance of U.S. citizens.

Edward Snowden, who currently works for defense contractor Booz Allen Hamilton, told the Guardian that he knows there will punishment for exposing the classified information, but said, “I'm willing to sacrifice all of that because I can't in good conscience allow the US government to destroy privacy, internet freedom and basic liberties for people around the world with this massive surveillance machine they're secretly building."

Advertise | AdChoicesNBC News has not independently confirmed that Snowden leaked the information.

Last week, the Guardian published a report revealing that the Obama administration had been monitoring Verizon customers phone records in the U.S. Shortly after, the Washington Post reported on a massive NSA program called PRISM, a surveillance program that gathered vast amounts of information from the world's largest web services.

The Post also identified Snowden as the source of the information on Sunday.

Snowden told the Guardian, "I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions," but "I will be satisfied if the federation of secret law, unequal pardon and irresistible executive powers that rule the world that I love are revealed even for an instant."

The self-identified source of documents and information pertaining to government data collection program said he has been hiding in a hotel room in Hong Kong since divulging the government secrets. For the past three weeks he has only left his room three times and fears he is being spied on, he told the newspaper.

Snowden said he has been pleased so far with the fallout from making the information public, and has no regrets.

"You can't wait around for someone else to act," he said. "I had been looking for leaders, but I realized that leadership is about being the first to act


http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/09/18865637-i-will-be-made-to-suffer-for-my-actions-self-identified-source-for-nsa-leaks-comes-forward?lite

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Re: they know what you are doing
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2013, 01:51:08 PM »
Not saying he did anything nefarious but I did see soapy suds around a fitting but how did the gas guy and company know there was a leak way out here in the country.

Probably by noticing a constant consumption of a small (I suppose it was a small leak) amount of gas.

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Re: they know what you are doing
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2013, 02:02:34 PM »
The NSA can record whatever they want, for all the good it will do them.  Unless they have literally human level artificial intelligence, they are never going to have even a quarter of the manpower necessary to audit or process all of it.

Okay look.... first you need to ask WHY are they collecting all this data? What possible use could it be to know your aunt Gertrude's chicken soup recipe or what your girl friend said to you?

You say "Unless they have literally human level artificial intelligence" Well think about it for a second.. What would you need to create a true AI?  Any computer can do calculations at the speed of light and out do the human mind... BUT what they cannot do is reason. Human minds are scrambled yet we reason (well most do :P ) but at the same time we are always going off on tangents and irrelevant banter.

So if you want a true AI to emulate a human mind... you have to collect endless databases filled with trivial babble. THAT is how you can create an AI that can operate like a human mind. It has to first collect all our idiosyncrasies. Having only logical data would give you a Spock... you need all the trivial day to day activity of the modern human to create a true AI

As to having enough manpower? PUPPY POOP!  They don't need it. They just built a huge computer center in Georgia that houses supercomputers that do all the work. You have no concept of the POWER of these machines.

On Youtube there is a video of an older now obsolete and declassified computer. Have a look at this one and spot how many people are running it...

[youtube]A5RwZz9UPUs[/youtube]

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Re: they know what you are doing
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2013, 02:21:50 PM »
Here is the video link to the video with-in the article I'm posting below of the interview which is in text format following it.

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NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden: 'I don't want to live in a society that does these sort of things' – video


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2013/jun/09/nsa-whistleblower-edward-snowden-interview-video   (Watch this Very good)


The individual responsible for one of the most significant leaks in US political history is Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former technical assistant for the CIA and current employee of the defence contractor Booz Allen Hamilton. Snowden has been working at the National Security Agency for the last four years as an employee of various outside contractors, including Booz Allen and Dell.

The Guardian, after several days of interviews, is revealing his identity at his request. From the moment he decided to disclose numerous top-secret documents to the public, he was determined not to opt for the protection of anonymity. "I have no intention of hiding who I am because I know I have done nothing wrong," he said.

Snowden will go down in history as one of America's most consequential whistleblowers, alongside Daniel Ellsberg and Bradley Manning. He is responsible for handing over material from one of the world's most secretive organisations – the NSA.

In a note accompanying the first set of documents he provided, he wrote: "I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions," but "I will be satisfied if the federation of secret law, unequal pardon and irresistible executive powers that rule the world that I love are revealed even for an instant."

Despite his determination to be publicly unveiled, he repeatedly insisted that he wants to avoid the media spotlight. "I don't want public attention because I don't want the story to be about me. I want it to be about what the US government is doing."

He does not fear the consequences of going public, he said, only that doing so will distract attention from the issues raised by his disclosures. "I know the media likes to personalise political debates, and I know the government will demonise me."

Despite these fears, he remained hopeful his outing will not divert attention from the substance of his disclosures. "I really want the focus to be on these documents and the debate which I hope this will trigger among citizens around the globe about what kind of world we want to live in." He added: "My sole motive is to inform the public as to that which is done in their name and that which is done against them."

He has had "a very comfortable life" that included a salary of roughly $200,000, a girlfriend with whom he shared a home in Hawaii, a stable career, and a family he loves. "I'm willing to sacrifice all of that because I can't in good conscience allow the US government to destroy privacy, internet freedom and basic liberties for people around the world with this massive surveillance machine they're secretly building."
'I am not afraid, because this is the choice I've made'

Three weeks ago, Snowden made final preparations that resulted in last week's series of blockbuster news stories. At the NSA office in Hawaii where he was working, he copied the last set of documents he intended to disclose.

He then advised his NSA supervisor that he needed to be away from work for "a couple of weeks" in order to receive treatment for epilepsy, a condition he learned he suffers from after a series of seizures last year.

As he packed his bags, he told his girlfriend that he had to be away for a few weeks, though he said he was vague about the reason. "That is not an uncommon occurrence for someone who has spent the last decade working in the intelligence world."

On May 20, he boarded a flight to Hong Kong, where he has remained ever since. He chose the city because "they have a spirited commitment to free speech and the right of political dissent", and because he believed that it was one of the few places in the world that both could and would resist the dictates of the US government.

In the three weeks since he arrived, he has been ensconced in a hotel room. "I've left the room maybe a total of three times during my entire stay," he said. It is a plush hotel and, what with eating meals in his room too, he has run up big bills.

He is deeply worried about being spied on. He lines the door of his hotel room with pillows to prevent eavesdropping. He puts a large red hood over his head and laptop when entering his passwords to prevent any hidden cameras from detecting them.

Though that may sound like paranoia to some, Snowden has good reason for such fears. He worked in the US intelligence world for almost a decade. He knows that the biggest and most secretive surveillance organisation in America, the NSA, along with the most powerful government on the planet, is looking for him.

Since the disclosures began to emerge, he has watched television and monitored the internet, hearing all the threats and vows of prosecution emanating from Washington.

And he knows only too well the sophisticated technology available to them and how easy it will be for them to find him. The NSA police and other law enforcement officers have twice visited his home in Hawaii and already contacted his girlfriend, though he believes that may have been prompted by his absence from work, and not because of suspicions of any connection to the leaks.

"All my options are bad," he said. The US could begin extradition proceedings against him, a potentially problematic, lengthy and unpredictable course for Washington. Or the Chinese government might whisk him away for questioning, viewing him as a useful source of information. Or he might end up being grabbed and bundled into a plane bound for US territory.

"Yes, I could be rendered by the CIA. I could have people come after me. Or any of the third-party partners. They work closely with a number of other nations. Or they could pay off the Triads. Any of their agents or assets," he said.

"We have got a CIA station just up the road – the consulate here in Hong Kong – and I am sure they are going to be busy for the next week. And that is a concern I will live with for the rest of my life, however long that happens to be."

Having watched the Obama administration prosecute whistleblowers at a historically unprecedented rate, he fully expects the US government to attempt to use all its weight to punish him. "I am not afraid," he said calmly, "because this is the choice I've made."

He predicts the government will launch an investigation and "say I have broken the Espionage Act and helped our enemies, but that can be used against anyone who points out how massive and invasive the system has become".

The only time he became emotional during the many hours of interviews was when he pondered the impact his choices would have on his family, many of whom work for the US government. "The only thing I fear is the harmful effects on my family, who I won't be able to help any more. That's what keeps me up at night," he said, his eyes welling up with tears.
'You can't wait around for someone else to act'

Snowden did not always believe the US government posed a threat to his political values. He was brought up originally in Elizabeth City, North Carolina. His family moved later to Maryland, near the NSA headquarters in Fort Meade.

By his own admission, he was not a stellar student. In order to get the credits necessary to obtain a high school diploma, he attended a community college in Maryland, studying computing, but never completed the coursework. (He later obtained his GED.)

In 2003, he enlisted in the US army and began a training program to join the Special Forces. Invoking the same principles that he now cites to justify his leaks, he said: "I wanted to fight in the Iraq war because I felt like I had an obligation as a human being to help free people from oppression".

He recounted how his beliefs about the war's purpose were quickly dispelled. "Most of the people training us seemed pumped up about killing Arabs, not helping anyone," he said. After he broke both his legs in a training accident, he was discharged.

After that, he got his first job in an NSA facility, working as a security guard for one of the agency's covert facilities at the University of Maryland. From there, he went to the CIA, where he worked on IT security. His understanding of the internet and his talent for computer programming enabled him to rise fairly quickly for someone who lacked even a high school diploma.

By 2007, the CIA stationed him with diplomatic cover in Geneva, Switzerland. His responsibility for maintaining computer network security meant he had clearance to access a wide array of classified documents.

That access, along with the almost three years he spent around CIA officers, led him to begin seriously questioning the rightness of what he saw.

He described as formative an incident in which he claimed CIA operatives were attempting to recruit a Swiss banker to obtain secret banking information. Snowden said they achieved this by purposely getting the banker drunk and encouraging him to drive home in his car. When the banker was arrested for drunk driving, the undercover agent seeking to befriend him offered to help, and a bond was formed that led to successful recruitment.

"Much of what I saw in Geneva really disillusioned me about how my government functions and what its impact is in the world," he says. "I realised that I was part of something that was doing far more harm than good."

He said it was during his CIA stint in Geneva that he thought for the first time about exposing government secrets. But, at the time, he chose not to for two reasons.

First, he said: "Most of the secrets the CIA has are about people, not machines and systems, so I didn't feel comfortable with disclosures that I thought could endanger anyone". Secondly, the election of Barack Obama in 2008 gave him hope that there would be real reforms, rendering disclosures unnecessary.

He left the CIA in 2009 in order to take his first job working for a private contractor that assigned him to a functioning NSA facility, stationed on a military base in Japan. It was then, he said, that he "watched as Obama advanced the very policies that I thought would be reined in", and as a result, "I got hardened."

The primary lesson from this experience was that "you can't wait around for someone else to act. I had been looking for leaders, but I realised that leadership is about being the first to act."

Over the next three years, he learned just how all-consuming the NSA's surveillance activities were, claiming "they are intent on making every conversation and every form of behaviour in the world known to them".

He described how he once viewed the internet as "the most important invention in all of human history". As an adolescent, he spent days at a time "speaking to people with all sorts of views that I would never have encountered on my own".

But he believed that the value of the internet, along with basic privacy, is being rapidly destroyed by ubiquitous surveillance. "I don't see myself as a hero," he said, "because what I'm doing is self-interested: I don't want to live in a world where there's no privacy and therefore no room for intellectual exploration and creativity."

Once he reached the conclusion that the NSA's surveillance net would soon be irrevocable, he said it was just a matter of time before he chose to act. "What they're doing" poses "an existential threat to democracy", he said.
A matter of principle

As strong as those beliefs are, there still remains the question: why did he do it? Giving up his freedom and a privileged lifestyle? "There are more important things than money. If I were motivated by money, I could have sold these documents to any number of countries and gotten very rich."

For him, it is a matter of principle. "The government has granted itself power it is not entitled to. There is no public oversight. The result is people like myself have the latitude to go further than they are allowed to," he said.

His allegiance to internet freedom is reflected in the stickers on his laptop: "I support Online Rights: Electronic Frontier Foundation," reads one. Another hails the online organisation offering anonymity, the Tor Project.

Asked by reporters to establish his authenticity to ensure he is not some fantasist, he laid bare, without hesitation, his personal details, from his social security number to his CIA ID and his expired diplomatic passport. There is no shiftiness. Ask him about anything in his personal life and he will answer.

He is quiet, smart, easy-going and self-effacing. A master on computers, he seemed happiest when talking about the technical side of surveillance, at a level of detail comprehensible probably only to fellow communication specialists. But he showed intense passion when talking about the value of privacy and how he felt it was being steadily eroded by the behaviour of the intelligence services.

His manner was calm and relaxed but he has been understandably twitchy since he went into hiding, waiting for the knock on the hotel door. A fire alarm goes off. "That has not happened before," he said, betraying anxiety wondering if was real, a test or a CIA ploy to get him out onto the street.

Strewn about the side of his bed are his suitcase, a plate with the remains of room-service breakfast, and a copy of Angler, the biography of former vice-president Dick Cheney.

Ever since last week's news stories began to appear in the Guardian, Snowden has vigilantly watched TV and read the internet to see the effects of his choices. He seemed satisfied that the debate he longed to provoke was finally taking place.

He lay, propped up against pillows, watching CNN's Wolf Blitzer ask a discussion panel about government intrusion if they had any idea who the leaker was. From 8,000 miles away, the leaker looked on impassively, not even indulging in a wry smile.

Snowden said that he admires both Ellsberg and Manning, but argues that there is one important distinction between himself and the army private, whose trial coincidentally began the week Snowden's leaks began to make news.

"I carefully evaluated every single document I disclosed to ensure that each was legitimately in the public interest," he said. "There are all sorts of documents that would have made a big impact that I didn't turn over, because harming people isn't my goal. Transparency is."

He purposely chose, he said, to give the documents to journalists whose judgment he trusted about what should be public and what should remain concealed.

As for his future, he is vague. He hoped the publicity the leaks have generated will offer him some protection, making it "harder for them to get dirty".

He views his best hope as the possibility of asylum, with Iceland – with its reputation of a champion of internet freedom – at the top of his list. He knows that may prove a wish unfulfilled.

But after the intense political controversy he has already created with just the first week's haul of stories, "I feel satisfied that this was all worth it. I have no regrets."



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance


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Re: they know what you are doing
« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2013, 03:54:36 PM »
Perhaps Intelligence Organisations may be Good rather than Not.

Yes mistakes are made but that is to be human...   :)


Intelligence:

Any "Processing System" (Including the Human Brain) which is able to evaluate anything
within the boundaries of the Rules applied or in such a "Processing System", is based on.


Reason:

Computers do have "Reason" but do NOT have LIFE i.e. AWARENESS (Consciousness).

http://www.howstuffworks.com/boolean.htm

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Have you ever wondered how a computer can do something like balance a check book, or play chess,
or spell-check a document? These are things that, just a  few decades ago, only humans could do.

Now computers do them with apparent ease. How can a "chip" made up of silicon and wires do something
that seems  like it requires human thought?

­If you want to understand the answer to this question down at the very core, the first thing you need
to understand is something called Boolean logic.

Boolean logic, originally developed by George Boole in the mid 1800s, allows quite a few unexpected things
to be mapped into bits and bytes. The great thing about  Boolean logic is that, once you get the hang of things,
Boolean logic (or at least the parts you need in order to understand the operations of computers) is outrageously
simple.

In this article, we will first discuss simple logic "gates," and then see how to combine them into something useful.
Which can be expressed as in the form of "Boolean Algebra"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boolean_algebra


The human Brain however is based on a "Double Logic" System.

This is why the System beaks down and eventually Stops working ! (In human terms, Dies !)


What is being looked for Through the "Human Species" is NOT really "AI" at all, but rather
"Awareness" or LIFE !

There is NO such thing as Artificial "Intelligence", contrary to human belief.

It is either.....

a.     "Intelligent".
or
b.     It is NOT "Intelligent".

However WHAT is NOT Present in today’s Human Based Computer Systems, or other Logic Systems
is AWARENESS, i.e. (Consciousness) or LIFE !

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« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2013, 04:07:38 PM »
Perhaps Intelligence Organisations may be Good rather than Not.

Yes mistakes are made but that is to be human...   :)

The thing that I have to remember about all of these sorts of groups; the CIA, the NSA, the Eye, and the shenanigans that they get up to...it's all the same thing.

It's all just an invitation to engage in fear, hatred, despair, hopelessness, and powerlessness.  It's all just them wanting me to accept their program, and for me to think that there is absolutely no possible alternative to their cage; when in reality, the alternative never ceases to exist, except in our heads.

The Eye wants to literally try to destroy people's connection with God; that is ultimately its' motivation, more than anything else.  It wants everyone else to be just as lost and hungry and alone as it is.  It has no ability whatsoever to truly obtain its' objective; the only way that it can, is to make us think that it can.

I'm going to ignore things like the OP, and the reason why, is because I refuse to give power to them, or more importantly, I refuse to believe that the people who want that level of brutal, totally involuntary control over everyone else, are capable of having it.  They are not capable of it.  The only way that they are capable of it, is with your consent; and publicising themselves doing things like what the OP describes, can be viewed as them literally begging and pleading for our fear, and hence our consent.  I am not going to give mine to them.

David Icke speaks in contradictions.  He tries to tell people that we are capable of having whatever we want, and that reality is completely subjective on the one hand, and yet he constantly beats the drum of fear on the other.  Which is it?  Which is the reality?

The one thing that I've been seeing on this forum recently, over and over, is an appeal to fear.  It's dressed up as increasing our awareness, but all it really does is perpetuate an apocalyptic mindset.
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« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2013, 04:26:15 PM »
The reason why I bring up the Naomi Wolf speech, is to emphasise the point that the only way surveillance really works, or can work, is by making people think that the government is omniscient, and sees everything.  It never really does; but what they want to do, more than anything else, is to make people afraid of that idea.
That's true, and to help them keep 90% of the population thinking that, they just need to use some 0.5% of the population as snitches. That way, people will be kept under the ideas that:
a) the government has "ears" everywhere
b) because of that, the government knows everything

That was the method used in Portugal until 1974.

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« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2013, 04:33:27 PM »
Power is knowledge and what you don't know will kill you.
Knowledge is power, one of the methods used in Portugal was to keep people almost illiterates, I think it was the Lisbon archbishop that use to say that the common person only needed to write their name and read the titles on the newspapers.

That's also why there is censorship, to stop the knowledge from spreading.

So, spreading the whole situation (they can know a lot of things, but not everything, and depend on people like us to do their job) is the best way to fight it. :)

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« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2013, 04:36:38 PM »
That's true, and to help them keep 90% of the population thinking that, they just need to use some 0.5% of the population as snitches. That way, people will be kept under the ideas that:
a) the government has "ears" everywhere
b) because of that, the government knows everything

That was the method used in Portugal until 1974.

Yep; and that's the other part of this that makes me angry.  People justify fearmongering on the basis that by immersing ourselves in it, we are keeping ourselves informed; when the sad reality is that most of it is BS anyway.

I'm reminded of that video series that Amaterasu linked to on YouTube, which has predictably been deleted; but it was excellent, because it demonstrated that a very large number of the media stories that are designed to keep people afraid, actually involve a group of actors, who seem to be the same people pretty much every time.

What we consider to be the news, is completely subjective.  We can remain pre-occupied with the idea of the American government literally establishing the Fourth Reich, or we can instead choose to focus on something which is not going to have the end result of causing us to want to commit suicide.  I know which of those two alternatives I prefer.
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« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2013, 04:43:04 PM »

Same principle as radar. Now, because your first deficient response was of incredulity, affirming your position, you doubt it, look it up for your own self aware fulfillment. Google search, its out there.
So, do you mean that wi fi equipment acts like a radar system? ???

If that's the case then it would be the wi fi equipment that would be able to detect objects, not other equipments that would be able to detect the wi fi.

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« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2013, 04:52:11 PM »
People justify fearmongering on the basis that by immersing ourselves in it, we are keeping ourselves informed; when the sad reality is that most of it is BS anyway.
That's because that type of information is not "the whole truth".

Spreading half-truths is sometimes more effective than spreading a lie. A good example of that is the type of stories that come from Socha Faal; he/she/it/they take two or three real stories and make up a new story, with lots of imagined details and implications that, obviously, are not real, but if people look for confirmation they will find the information about the stories used as the base for the "creative writing".

What must be spread is the whole information, regardless of being too harsh, scary or whatever, if it's the truth then that's what people should know, not "half truths" or "white lies" or "rose tinted" versions of bad news.

I suppose that's why people say I'm cruel. :)

 


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