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Offline Payton

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Re: Wasting Away - The Nukes in Your Backyard
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2017, 11:31:44 AM »
So how long before this seeps into the fresh water used on the west coast?

How long before millions of people in California are drinking and bathing in radioactive water on a daily basis? Maybe its going on now

Or how long before everyone in the world is ingesting this radioactive crap? Frightening stuff

Im interested in this topic as if will affect all of us but I dont have time to read the whole thread as its rather large, just skimmed through it

There should be a worldwide effort to fix this issue or to contain it

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Re: Wasting Away - The Nukes in Your Backyard
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2017, 04:14:57 PM »
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Posted by: Payton
« on: February 09, 2017, 11:31:44 AM »
So how long before this seeps into the fresh water used on the west coast?

How long before millions of people in California are drinking and bathing in radioactive water on a daily basis? Maybe its going on now

Or how long before everyone in the world is ingesting this radioactive crap? Frightening stuff

Im interested in this topic as if will affect all of us but I dont have time to read the whole thread as its rather large, just skimmed through it



Radiation: How Bad is the Pacific Ocean from Fukushima?

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Cesium, iodine and tritium in NW Pacific waters -- a comparison of the Fukushima impact with global fallout

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2~ Surface pathway of radioactive plume of TEPCO Fukushima NPP1 released 134Cs and 137Cs

3~ Determination of plutonium isotopes in marine sediments off the Fukushima coast following the Fukushima Dai-ichi Nuclear Power Plant accident

4~ Iodine-129 concentration in seawater near Fukushima before and after the accident at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant

5~ Short-term dispersal of Fukushima-derived radionuclides off Japan: modeling efforts and model-data inter-comparison

6~ Initial Spread of 137Cs over the shelf of Japan: a study using the high-resolution global-coastal nesting ocean model

7~ Direct observation of 134Cs and 137Cs in surface seawater in the western and central North Pacific after the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power plant accident

8~ 90Sr and 89Sr in seawater off Japan as a consequence of the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear accident?

9~ Fukushima-derived radiocesium in western North Pacific sediment traps

10~ Natural and Fukushima-derived radioactivity in macroalgae and mussels along the Japanese shoreline

11~ Export of 134Cs and 137Cs in the Fukushima river systems at heavy rains by Typhoon Roke in September 2011

12~ Continuing 137Cs release to the sea from the Fukushima Dai-ichi Nuclear Power Plant through 2012

13~ The impact of oceanic circulation and phase transfer on the dispersion of radionuclides released from the Fukushima Dai-ichi Nuclear Power Plant

14~ Does the Fukushima NPP disaster affect the caesium activity of North Atlantic Ocean fish?

15~ Spatiotemporal distributions of Fukushima-derived radionuclides in surface sediments in the waters off Miyagi, Fukushima, and Ibaraki Prefectures, Japan

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WSJ: Soaring radioactivity levels on coast of Fukushima plant — Nuclear material may have leeched from melted fuel cores and into environment:
http://tinyurl.com/n8vj52o

Wall Street Journal, July 8, 2013
Fukushima Watch: Tritium Levels Soar on Coast at Fukushima Plant
[...] More than two years after the devastating accident at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, operator [Tepco] is seeing levels soar of a radioactive element called tritium. The problem spot is on the coastal side of the plant's heavily damaged No. 2 reactor, one of the areas where Tepco regularly monitors groundwater to check for radioactive elements that may have leeched from the plant's partly melted fuel cores and into the environment. [...]
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Tokyo Electric Power Co. says 2,300 becquerels per liter of tritium was found in seawater sampled off its crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power station Wednesday, the highest level recorded since the March 2011 accident.

[...] It is feared that groundwater containing high levels of tritium may be leaking into the sea from the plant's No. 2 reactor building.
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Officials report "troubling discovery" at Fukushima nuclear plant:
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AFP: Toxic radioactive substances in groundwater at Japan's crippled Fukushima nuclear plan have rocketed over the past three days
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Re: Wasting Away - The Nukes in Your Backyard
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2017, 05:32:25 PM »
There should be a worldwide effort to fix this issue or to contain it

That is the problem..

THERE IS NO FIX to this with our current level of technology

Chernobyl was ONE meltdown away from the oceans so it was possible to build a concrete cover for it. But before they could build a cover 500,000 Red Army soldiers had to remove the hot stuff on the roof by hand wearing only lead plates and going in for brief spurts...

Concrete deteriorates with radiation faster than normal  so it was estimated the life span of that cover would be 25 years. It was up for 50 years before they started building a new one (currently)

The problem is Chernobyl will remain 'hot' for about 100,000 years  but at least it is contained

The new cover was built away from the plant then moved over it on rails to protect workers



However at Fukushima we have THREE full meltdowns  and they are sitting on fractures bedrock right on the ocean so despite what TEPCO is saying, the radiation has been leaking directly in to the ocean via ground water beneath the plants since the beginning  We showed that back at ATS when this started

At this point the Corium is getting deep



This is one of the old graphics  Will better show what I mean



Unlike Chernobyl a cover will not be possible nor help as it is already too late and draining steadily into the oceans  and will also stay hot for about 100,000 years

Until we figure out how to use the radiation DIRECTLY instead of heating water for a glorified STEAM ENGINE we need to stop using nuclear fuel 

Japan NEVER had containment. The first reactor was in meltdown EIGHT HOURS after the quake hit. The core was breached BEFORE the tsunami hit

And one look at the pipes scattered like match sticks is poroof that contaimnet was IMPOSSIBLE because TEPCO took a short cut... they eliminated the heat exchanger and fed the 'hot' water from the reactor straight to the turbines.  those scattered pipes WERE the system... Take those out and there is no way to restore cooling or anything

At least with a heat exchanger you only contaminate the reactor area  but take out that heat exchanger and you contaminate the entire plant and turbine room as well

So there is no solution currently   We just suck up those particles and hope we mutate to survive :P

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Re: Wasting Away - The Nukes in Your Backyard
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2017, 06:53:12 AM »
And in the meantime it looks like fish is off the menu.
I know that I know nothing - thanks Capricorn.

 


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