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Offline A51Watcher

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Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2012, 08:40:18 PM »




More on the foreground vs background -



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Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2012, 08:50:38 PM »



I thought I should also mention that the footage in the OP has been artificially stabilized.

Instead of the image bouncing around as it was originally photographed, someone has chosen a fixed point and centered the footage on that instead.


That is why you see the framing around the edge of the video jumping all around and not the image itself.


It appears the bottom of the helmet was chosen for the center point of the X - Y axis would be my guess.





 
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Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2012, 09:04:24 PM »
Green Screen (later filled with Hills and black sky)



Puppet on a String



Odd looking "sun" behind the Astronot yet they are lit up on front



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Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2012, 01:44:46 AM »

That's more an argument for why one should seek out a government contract despite one's own incompetence than it is an argument against the USA being able to fake a LEM.

And ultimately what you are saying is that because one man failed to do a thing, that the thing couldn't be done.  That is just bogus. You are effectively saying that the nation which landed men on the moon couldn't convince the only people that matter that we landed men on the moon. The soviets don't matter. The chinese don't matter. If some Russian or Chicom got on TV and said we didn't land on the moon, they'd be laughed at.

No not really, What I am saying is that why in the world would anyone with billions of dollars use a scale model when they have the full size rigs. Anytime I have processed a model, it shows. Think about it, why would they do something that silly if they had the real toys? Please look at details and not the bla bla. See how every single screw and stich is correct and then it matches to the real ones.
 
Even the best movie makes in the world always go full scale when ever they can. They only scale it down or go RC when they have no money.
 
When those guys are in the suits and at pressure, the arms and legs are hard to bend. They sort of stay where ever you put them. They also have seat belts on. So to remain attached in one place can be done.  So far I see nothing that is a smoking gun. Just typical film maker doing his best to get free ad time. There is not one ounce of scientific proof to go along wit it. Sorry but show that to me, not just the hoop-la.
 
So, even the best of models, the ones that take years to build, never stand up to the real thing at real scale. If this was a fake video, please think full scale and no RC as this film guy is saying. Simple, just ask why?   deuem

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Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2012, 01:46:24 AM »


I thought I should also mention that the footage in the OP has been artificially stabilized.

Instead of the image bouncing around as it was originally photographed, someone has chosen a fixed point and centered the footage on that instead.


That is why you see the framing around the edge of the video jumping all around and not the image itself.


It appears the bottom of the helmet was chosen for the center point of the X - Y axis would be my guess.

Well, that will keep him pinned to his seat for sure. Nice catch A51. I missed that one.  Deuem

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Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2012, 03:28:27 AM »

So, even the best of models, the ones that take years to build, never stand up to the real thing at real scale. If this was a fake video, please think full scale and no RC as this film guy is saying. Simple, just ask why?   deuem

I'm not saying that they used models, but if it was being faked in a studio, then it isn't a real LEM, it is a prop/full-scale model made of a LEM or made therefrom.

But I agree with you, they probably would have used the real ones to fake it.

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Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2012, 07:27:46 AM »
My two cents...
As an experienced rc model guy for decads now, I can say of all the cars Ive built and ran, that video doesnt show a model, but a full sized vehicle.
Now, if its rc, thats to be guessed, but the suspension travel and dirt flung up from the tires is nothing like a model at speed..even if they changed the film speed.

A model is way more bouncy and reactive to big suspension movements, and would have flipped on a few of those bumps.

The guy on the video doesnt look to real, but as dueum poses, those suits are very stiff.

What got me was the shakiness of the second camera in the video, and how the camera filming the other didnt shake as much....the one on the drivers lap shakes like crazy!

And the set looks so fake its pathetic...poor setup and mockup of the supposed moon surface.

I have to surmise, this video was staged with full size parts, to hide the real video which was taken on the moon...theres probably something there they just couldnt blot out, as there wouldnt have been any image left after said blotting.

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Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2012, 02:06:10 PM »
I recall we were going to look at those once upon a time :D
So do I, but I was younger then. ;D

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Something is not right... I think the backgrounds were added in later :P  Just like THIS one :D


Those hills looks terribly fake.

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Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2012, 02:17:11 PM »
From what I could see the images came from this movie.

I suggest (for those that can) the download of the MPEG1 version. :)

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Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2012, 02:55:40 PM »
Peter Jackson could do a much better job down here in NZ.   :D

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Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2012, 03:06:47 PM »
Peter Jackson LOL :D

There are still a few places on earth that i want to visit.
Belgrado, the Tesla museum.
The shao-lin temples.
Giza.
Those beautiful hills & forests in NZ where they filmed 'lord of the rings'.
I wanted to go there before that film was even made.
Say hello to the Mauri for me, like this... :P

Back on topic, is this an RC model or not?

I don't really think so, but there's something fake about it anyway.
For the above reasons i think they faked it, the how is not as important as the why, IMO....

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Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2012, 03:19:48 PM »
Peter Jackson LOL :D

There are still a few places on earth that i want to visit.
Belgrado, the Tesla museum.
The shao-lin temples.
Giza.
Those beautiful hills & forests in NZ where they filmed 'lord of the rings'.
I wanted to go there before that film was even made.
Say hello to the Mauri for me, like this... :P

Back on topic, is this an RC model or not?

I don't really think so, but there's something fake about it anyway.
For the above reasons i think they faked it, the how is not as important as the why, IMO....

I don't think it was RC either but the Film industry Technology was not very good in those days.

The Cracks are starting to show as Tech. progresses.

But this does NOT mean NO Human has walked on the Moon !

From the Little I know, John Lear seems to be well informed.

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Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2012, 03:27:34 PM »
He is, and i believe him (even though we have a difference of opinion about element 115) i greatly admire the work he has done.

The clincher for me was not the Apollo missions, but the film from sts48, i know exactly what i saw there...

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Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2012, 08:36:01 PM »

Well, that will keep him pinned to his seat for sure...



Indeed.


Also, if you watch the ground instead of him and the vehicle, I see a few points where the ground is warping in and out in a very odd manner.


Definately some processing techniques at work here.




I am all for stabilization of shaky footage, just keep that fact in mind while examining footage for odd behaviours.




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Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2012, 03:04:59 AM »
The clincher for me was not the Apollo missions, but the film from sts48, i know exactly what i saw there...
Interesting clip mate.... Exactly what did you see here then?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKJg8LeFqfI[/youtube]

 


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