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Offline zorgon

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Re: Fukushima, Pandora's Box and the Nuclear Demon
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2012, 12:47:28 PM »
1. to burn spent fuel into harmless stuff would be great, but how long time will be taking to develop workable & safe solution ain't known even w/ HEIS aboard.

We already had that... Paul Brown's Nuclear Battery that absorbed all the radiation..

But they Killed him

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2. to bury this material safely been possible, but too expensive.

No more expensive than building a fleet of rockets to send it to the sun. Nuclear waste is HEAVY and there is a lot of it. Do the math n the required number of rockets to accomplish this  and then you STILL have to ship it to the launch site... so what is the difference shipping it to an already existing storage facility?

Shipping to launch site would cost the same as shipping it to Yucca Mountain.... but you have the added expense of the rockets, fuel and support system

If a truck carrying the sealed waste crashes... the radioactive material will still be secure in the cylinders  or at worse case contaminate a small area and be an easy clean up

but if a rocket crashes... the stuff will spread over a wide area

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Re: Fukushima, Pandora's Box and the Nuclear Demon
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2012, 12:57:22 PM »
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but if a rocket crashes... the stuff will spread over a wide area

Indeed!

Holy moley can you imagine the badness in the air?

And yes, the weight would be almost impossible to hoist into space...let alone the shielding required while the rocket was on the launch pad...

Sounds like the Brown Battery would be the number one if it wasnt shut down.

And Yucca mountain..thats just our waste..do the other nations have the wherewithal to store theirs?

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Re: Fukushima, Pandora's Box and the Nuclear Demon
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2012, 01:16:05 PM »
We already had that... Paul Brown's Nuclear Battery that absorbed all the radiation..

But they Killed him
Amicus, who are They, exactly? :P $-clans? :)

No more expensive than building a fleet of rockets to send it to the sun. Nuclear waste is HEAVY and there is a lot of it. Do the math n the required number of rockets to accomplish this  and then you STILL have to ship it to the launch site... so what is the difference shipping it to an already existing storage facility?

Shipping to launch site would cost the same as shipping it to Yucca Mountain.... but you have the added expense of the rockets, fuel and support system

If a truck carrying the sealed waste crashes... the radioactive material will still be secure in the cylinders  or at worse case contaminate a small area and be an easy clean up

but if a rocket crashes... the stuff will spread over a wide area
rockets are B$, we can use mp-ramjets  :)
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Re: Fukushima, Pandora's Box and the Nuclear Demon
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2012, 02:08:43 PM »
Mega thread, thanks :)

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You brought up an idea, what about if we just put all of the reactors underground inside hardened concrete vaults and if they have a problem just seal the entrances.

Pressure. If a container blows, or water boils, the pressure would be so great it would rupture any container or door, even a mile down.
Let's make it 2 miles, with absorbtion chambers every 100 feet or so.. :)

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Along with who ever built them.
:D  Bury the slaves who built the pyramid?? :D

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...it is because of the greed for money and cutting corners where ever they could. They wanted all the money they could make.  A true reactor built to true safety standards can operate for 50 years with no problems.

Yes, it's about money as always :(

Sarkoy is right, we could throw them at the sun using cheap steam powered space jets, maybe with a flame jet generator in there too.

In any case, you are all right, we must stop this nuclear madness.
There are plenty of alternative sources...

They could also replace He3 on the moon, ton for ton, with radioactive waste, so our mining won't affect the orbit...

A good point Zorgon, what we really need is a portable device that can be taken to the waste & 'deactivate' it in some way.
Until then, we could fill up a few D.U.M.B.'s (they don't use them anyway)
« Last Edit: September 09, 2012, 02:19:42 PM by PLAYSWITHMACHINES »

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Re: Fukushima, Pandora's Box and the Nuclear Demon
« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2012, 07:05:44 PM »
Sarkoy is right, we could throw them at the sun using cheap steam powered space jets, maybe with a flame jet generator in there too.
a little remark about mp-ramjet :)
They could also replace He3 on the moon, ton for ton, with radioactive waste, so our mining won't affect the orbit...
He3 has no real value, it'd be generated. prime issue of HF (hot fusion) is oscillation of magnetic field because artificial sun produces non-constant output, thereby, at higher power, it fires wires, electronics + dreadful mechanical vibrations goes on as well.

A good point Zorgon, what we really need is a portable device that can be taken to the waste & 'deactivate' it in some way.
Until then, we could fill up a few D.U.M.B.'s (they don't use them anyway)
possible, but no so fast :)

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Re: Fukushima, Pandora's Box and the Nuclear Demon
« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2012, 09:25:08 PM »
Why are we not using LFTR Reactors?  Thorium Reactors would work for us.  Check out the video.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU3cUssuz-U&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
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Re: Fukushima, Pandora's Box and the Nuclear Demon
« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2012, 09:46:43 PM »
Can we take the Nuclear Genie and possibly put it back in the box and reduce the effect:  Kirk Sorenson a Nuclear Technologist tells us about what we could do with nuclear waste.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv-mFSoZOkE&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

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Re: Fukushima, Pandora's Box and the Nuclear Demon
« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2012, 09:55:07 PM »
This will explain Energy from Thorium.  Why haven't we used it?  Could we use this to get away from the Nuclear Demon?

http://energyfromthorium.com/lftradsrisks.html

Other countries have the jump on us.  Maybe I'm dense but this concept makes sense to me.  Well, maybe the people who make the money off the nuclear plants would be losong money and that's the reason it's not happening with Thorium.  Comments?
« Last Edit: September 09, 2012, 09:58:26 PM by spacemaverick »
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Re: Fukushima, Pandora's Box and the Nuclear Demon
« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2012, 10:14:23 PM »
Although the process still creates fuel...(the article image states it creates NEW fuel)..it seems more viable than a typical LW reactor.

And the runaway resistance is a great feature.

Still a nuclear reactor, but it does show us there are more stable and safe ways to use nukes.

For my two cents, the money should be invested and the process checked out closer by the NRC, and then we could start using the waste for fuel instead of waffling on what to do with it.

Salt is also a very stable material at high heat, and can store heat well..resulting in excellent surge supply.

Cool idea!

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Re: Fukushima, Pandora's Box and the Nuclear Demon
« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2012, 06:46:12 AM »
Why are we not using LFTR Reactors?  Thorium Reactors would work for us.  Check out the video.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU3cUssuz-U&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
because cheap Uranium has become a crappy curse of Nuclear Industry ;) anyway lovely MSR pets been the best choice to power mp-ramjets :)
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Re: Fukushima, Pandora's Box and the Nuclear Demon
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2012, 12:16:06 PM »
Looks our Friend got too busy to provide any answer, so, Littleenki, my reply to ye.
we have four possible options to deal w/ this question:
  • to burn spent fuel into harmless stuff would be great, but how long time will be taking to develop workable & safe solution ain't known even w/ HEIS aboard.
  • to bury this material safely been possible, but too expensive.
  • cost-effective graveyards can be run & no guarantees it will stay stable 4 long enough span.
  • if we have no the least idea to pollute future of children, to get Earth rid of  that stuff deeply into outer Space is the Best option. To spend some efforts makes possible to down price on LEO to economically reasonable level.

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Looks our Friend got too busy to provide any answer

Y'all might want to watch where you step... as it is getting quite deep around here... patience, patience.

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deeply into outer Space is the Best option.

The rocket solution is STILL brought up TIME AND AGAIN by otherwise-sane "rocket scientists" and their promoters. 

But it's a lousy idea because rockets fail WAY too often, including because of prior rocket failure's high-speed, microscopic, deadly SPACE DEBRIS in Near Earth Orbit, which the waste would have to successfully pass through. 

Also, there is WAY too much nuclear waste to expect much of it to get "up there" safely before a truly catastrophic accident occurs, not "vaporizing" (as in "rendering harmless through the process of incineration") but "particle-izing" the waste ("going particulate" is the actual technical expression).

Why does such a lousy idea keep coming up then? 

Because rationally, all OTHER choices have ALSO failed to pass scientific muster.

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Re: Fukushima, Pandora's Box and the Nuclear Demon
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2012, 12:17:49 PM »
Without a 100% success rate, rockets are out!

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Re: Fukushima, Pandora's Box and the Nuclear Demon
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2012, 12:41:42 PM »
Without a 100% success rate, rockets are out!

Le

Greetings:

Males in the northern hemisphere are said to piss out about a million atoms of plutonium every DAY of their LIVES, mostly Pu-238 (with a half-life of about 87.75 years), just from that one 1963 NASA space probe accident (let alone all the other poisons we must ingest).

The chance of getting bladder cancer is about one in 30 for American men (it's about one in 90 for American women). 

Some portion of that is undoubtedly due to radioactive poisons.





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Re: Fukushima, Pandora's Box and the Nuclear Demon
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2012, 03:28:53 PM »
The rocket solution is STILL brought up TIME AND AGAIN by otherwise-sane "rocket scientists" and their promoters.

But it's a lousy idea because rockets fail WAY too often, including because of prior rocket failure's high-speed, microscopic, deadly SPACE DEBRIS in Near Earth Orbit, which the waste would have to successfully pass through.

i just can repeat: rocket always been non-efficient crap, we need mp-ramjets ;)
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Re: Fukushima, Pandora's Box and the Nuclear Demon
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2012, 03:52:39 PM »
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