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Offline biggles

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This documentary sealed it for me.
« on: July 17, 2012, 07:27:37 PM »
That nasa did not go to the moon.

I saw this last night on cable in full, I have only put one part here:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5MVVtFYTSo&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL47909FBC80364272[/youtube]

I'm hoping this youtube embedding works; but the jury is out now for me.

I mean how does a ship from 1969 get through the van allen? belts anyway.

Ofcourse I know I am idiot tech wise, but from what I know about these belts I just couldnt imagine a rocket from that era getting through them.
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Re: This documentary sealed it for me.
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2012, 09:17:17 PM »
biggles, these have been around a while, but I haven't watched them before, and maybe others haven't.

So, I will take the liberty to post the other two parts of this presentation for you, so some of us can see them too!

Part 2

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lRoE5vKoig&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLC5ABB9D6E73A31FD   [/youtube]

Part 3

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNuPenlmHiw&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLC5ABB9D6E73A31FD   [/youtube]

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Re: This documentary sealed it for me.
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2012, 09:19:16 PM »
Thanks hon, it was really interesting viewing.
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Re: This documentary sealed it for me.
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2012, 12:56:23 AM »
There is a better way of doing this. Find the flight logs and program the flight path and see what happened in real life. Fox has an agenda of its own. Before you make up your mind you need to do a lot of homework. To start with, where was the Earth the day they launched? Where was Florida?Where were the belts, where were the magnetic poles. IMHO the only way to make a good decision is to do it yourself and see what you come up with.
 
What ever you do, please do not use the 2D pictures in books as reference, you need to go 3D to see it.
 
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Re: This documentary sealed it for me.
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2012, 01:46:11 AM »
There is a better way of doing this.

Yes grab a saucer and lets go have a look :D With all the Aliens around surely we could ask for a lift or hijack one :P

We'd give it back... well maybe... after a few stops :D

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Re: This documentary sealed it for me.
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2012, 01:53:06 AM »
I mean how does a ship from 1969 get through the van allen? belts anyway.
Ofcourse I know I am idiot tech wise, but from what I know about these belts I just couldnt imagine a rocket from that era getting through them.

I can imagine it :D So can Gene Roddenberry..

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Wait till you hear about the space station out there :D

No NOT the ISS

But yeah Apollo was a hoax :P

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Re: This documentary sealed it for me.
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2012, 05:01:27 AM »
Yes grab a saucer and lets go have a look :D With all the Aliens around surely we could ask for a lift or hijack one :P

We'd give it back... well maybe... after a few stops :D

You wouldnt be able to fly it - no way.  :o
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Re: This documentary sealed it for me.
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2013, 08:42:03 PM »
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Ya ok...... So what, I have something to add.

I know the Apollo thing is beaten to death but its so much fun.

They now say there are three van allen belts for astronutz to travel over, under, sideways, down to the moon in.

I came across another oddity to ponder and its been noted before many times but this just came about and has rather sleek logic behind the reason. A guy asked, if the space suits on the moon kept the Apollo boys safe and warm from radiation, maybe they can use those suits at fukushima and be shielded from that radiation. Answer, NOPE.

So the suits did just that on the moon, but it won't back on earth at fukushima.
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Re: This documentary sealed it for me.
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2013, 04:47:18 AM »
There is a better way of doing this. Find the flight logs and program the flight path and see what happened in real life. Fox has an agenda of its own. Before you make up your mind you need to do a lot of homework. To start with, where was the Earth the day they launched? Where was Florida?Where were the belts, where were the magnetic poles. IMHO the only way to make a good decision is to do it yourself and see what you come up with.
 
What ever you do, please do not use the 2D pictures in books as reference, you need to go 3D to see it.
 
Deuem

Your post got the village idiot thinking. Did they ever take a compass into space? If they did, how did it behave?

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Re: This documentary sealed it for me.
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2013, 08:01:06 AM »
As far as I know, a standard hand held compass should prove worthless. If you could get it to spin it should point at the nearest or greates magnetic field. Speakers or earphones if they have magnets.
 
See this artical about how they do it with stelar compasses.
 
http://www.cfas.org/article.php?story=2009090717350934
 
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Re: This documentary sealed it for me.
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2013, 12:02:56 PM »
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That is a robot message :P  I know you hate people but you can't start talking to autobots :P


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I know the Apollo thing is beaten to death but its so much fun.

Well one thing is for sure...

NASA is NOT going back in our lifetimes... John and I told ya so back at Alpha Tango :P  So NASA got that Obama Puppet to cut their funding  "No Moon Mission and no man on Mars for 25 years... but you can have 105 million to catch an asteroid!"

I guess NASA can stop reverse engineering that old rusty Saturn V to see how they did it the first time.

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Re: This documentary sealed it for me.
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2013, 12:45:37 PM »
Well, the only thing I hate more than people is intrusive little tsa bots stepping in the way. The other thing I hate is people bots banning me on forums (not this one cause I know Zorgon wouldn't do that. You wouldn't, right! hahaha, ah, ya).

We went to the moon in the dream factory based reality which creates false reality but can't back it up when questioned. Unless of course it creates a paper trail to say, look, here it is, all of it, so stop askin.

The dream factory has a damage control mechanism when inquiries go beyond reason and begin to piece the truth together and slap the fakery around. Some people will never see it as some, who know the truth, will.

The one glaring single fact it never happened is, we never went back, and as you so pointedly stated, won't, for another 25 years.
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Re: This documentary sealed it for me.
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2013, 08:36:32 PM »
Yes grab a saucer and lets go have a look :D With all the Aliens around surely we could ask for a lift or hijack one :P

We'd give it back... well maybe... after a few stops :D

What, give it back????
I've already spray-painted Pegasus on the side  ;D ;D
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Re: This documentary sealed it for me.
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2013, 03:00:08 AM »
I DID say 'MAYBE' :P

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« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2013, 04:27:30 PM »
Call me old fashioned .. but I still say Apollo went to the moon.

The Van Allen belts do not have a fixed field strength/density ... actually they are variable ... in some places quite weak .. certainly weak enough to pass through.

The key is the position of the moon relative to the Sun and the Earth .. get the timing right .. at the right angles .. you will discover the areas of minimum field strength/density.

As for the spacesuits ability to shield the Astronauts from radiation .. that is not an issue, the suits were designed for operation in vacuum with high thermal variation, they have limited ability to deflect low strength rays but not particles or high energy rays .. NASA calculated the duration and the type of radiation most likely and prayed the Sun behaved .. same with the LM .. an oversize inflated tin foil dirigible strapped to a small rocket.

Sometimes to get places you have to throw the dice and take a risk .. NASA got lucky .. the exposures were minimal and well below the lifetime exposure of workers at a Nuclear Power plant.

You must remember the Apollo program was purely military despite any claims of it being a civilian adventure ... any claims of it being a hoax are simply falling into the trap of Military smoke and mirrors .. there are easier and cheaper ways of hoaxing than going through the development of Mercury/Gemini/Apollo spacecraft .. a project bigger in scope and cost than the Manhattan project.

People can call the Moonlandings a hoax all day .. I for my part will simply laugh and fart in your general direction.

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