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9/11 Collection of Evidence
« on: October 14, 2011, 02:19:05 PM »
9/11 Collection of Evidence

A sticky thread to collect all the 'problems' with the official story. For comments please start a thread on any item in this reference work

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Re: 9/11 Collection of Anomalies
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2011, 02:51:47 PM »
So seriously... before I begin... is it really plausible that certain groups in our own government could even concieve such a plot against it's own people? I mean conspiracy theories aside, is there ANY evidence that indicates that they could even plan such a thing, let alone execute it?

The answer is.... YES

Operation Northwoods

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Operation Northwoods was a series of false-flag proposals that originated within the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or other operatives, to commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere. These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro.[2] One part of Operation Northwoods was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington."

Operation Northwoods proposals included hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated:

    "The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere."

Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various U.S. military and civilian targets. The plan was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and sent to the Secretary of Defense. Although part of the U.S. government's Cuban Project anti-communist initiative, Operation Northwoods was never officially accepted; it was authored by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but then rejected by President John F. Kennedy.

Operation Northwoods



Operation Northwoods Declassified CIA Document
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Origins and public release

The main proposal was presented in a document entitled "Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba (TS)", a top secret collection of draft memoranda written by the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS). The document was presented by the Joint Chiefs of Staff to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on 13 March 1962 as a preliminary submission for planning purposes. The Joint Chiefs of Staff recommended that both the covert and overt aspects of any such operation be assigned to them.

The previously secret document was originally made public on 18 November 1997, by the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Review Board, a U.S. federal agency overseeing the release of government records related to John F. Kennedy's assassination. A total 1521 pages of once-secret military records covering 1962 to 1964 were concomitantly declassified by said Review Board.

"Appendix to Enclosure A" and "Annex to Appendix to Enclosure A" of the Northwoods document were first published online by the National Security Archive on 6 November 1998 in a joint venture with CNN as part of CNN's 1998 Cold War television documentary series—specifically, as a documentation supplement to "Episode 10: Cuba," which aired on 29 November 1998. "Annex to Appendix to Enclosure A" is the section of the document which contains the proposals to stage terrorist attacks.

The Northwoods document was published online in a more complete form (i.e., including cover memoranda) by the National Security Archive on 30 April 2001.

Northwoods Origin

James Bamford wrote on Northwoods:

    Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.

One of the methods described:  A regular airplane with a switch to a drone....

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It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner en route from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight.

    a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.
    b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will begin transmitting on the international distress frequency a "MAY DAY" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO radio[16] stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" the incident.

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Re: 9/11 Collection of Anomalies
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2011, 02:59:39 PM »
Operation Mongoose

Related Operation Mongoose proposals

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In addition to Operation Northwoods, under the Operation Mongoose program the U.S. Department of Defense had a number of similar proposals to be taken against the Cuban regime of Fidel Castro.

Twelve of these proposals come from a 2 February 1962 memorandum entitled "Possible Actions to Provoke, Harass or Disrupt Cuba," written by Brig. Gen. William H. Craig and submitted to Brig. Gen. Edward Lansdale, the commander of the Operation Mongoose project.

The memorandum outlines Operation Bingo, a plan to; "create an incident which has the appearance of an attack on U.S. facilities (GMO) in Cuba, thus providing an excuse for use of U.S. military might to overthrow the current government of Cuba."

It also includes Operation Dirty Trick, a plot to blame Castro if the 1962 Mercury manned space flight carrying John Glenn crashed, saying: "The objective is to provide irrevocable proof that, should the MERCURY manned orbit flight fail, the fault lies with the Communists et al. Cuba [sic]." It continues, "This to be accomplished by manufacturing various pieces of evidence which would prove electronic interference on the part of the Cubans."

Even after General Lemnitzer lost his job as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Joint Chiefs of Staff still planned false-flag[dubious – discuss] pretext operations at least into 1963. A different U.S. Department of Defense policy paper created in 1963 discussed a plan to make it appear that Cuba had attacked a member of the Organization of American States (OAS) so that the United States could retaliate. The U.S. Department of Defense document says of one of the scenarios, "A contrived 'Cuban' attack on an OAS member could be set up, and the attacked state could be urged to take measures of self-defense and request assistance from the U.S. and OAS."

The plan expressed confidence that by this action, "the U.S. could almost certainly obtain the necessary two-thirds support among OAS members for collective action against Cuba."

Included in the nations the Joint Chiefs suggested as targets for covert attacks were Jamaica and Trinidad-Tobago. Since both were members of the British Commonwealth, the Joint Chiefs hoped that by secretly attacking them and then falsely blaming Cuba, the United States could incite the people of the United Kingdom into supporting a war against Castro. As the U.S. Department of Defense report noted:

    Any of the contrived situations described above are inherently, extremely risky in our democratic system in which security can be maintained, after the fact, with very great difficulty. If the decision should be made to set up a contrived situation it should be one in which participation by U.S. personnel is limited only to the most highly trusted covert personnel. This suggests the infeasibility of the use of military units for any aspect of the contrived situation."

The U.S. Department of Defense report even suggested covertly paying a person in the Castro government to attack the United States: "The only area remaining for consideration then would be to bribe one of Castro's subordinate commanders to initiate an attack on [the U.S. Navy base at] Guantanamo."

Operation Mongoose

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The continuing push against the Cuban government by internal elements of the U.S. military and intelligence communities (the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion, the Cuban Project, etc.) had already prompted President John F. Kennedy to attempt to rein in burgeoning hardline anti-Communist sentiment that was intent on proactive, aggressive action against communist movements around the globe. After the Bay of Pigs, Kennedy had fired CIA director Allen W. Dulles, Deputy Director Charles P. Cabell, and Deputy Director Richard Bissell, and turned his attention towards Vietnam. Kennedy had also stripped the CIA of responsibility for paramilitary operations like the Bay of Pigs and turned them over to the U.S. Department of Defense and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, which, as Commander in Chief, Kennedy could more directly control. Personally, Kennedy expressed outrage to many of his associates about the CIA's growing influence on civilians and government inside America, and his attempt to curtail the CIA's extensive Cold War and paramilitary operations was a direct expression of this concern.

Kennedy personally rejected the Northwoods proposal, and it would now be the Joint Chiefs' turn to incur his displeasure. A JCS/Pentagon document (Ed Lansdale memo) dated 16 March 1962 titled MEETING WITH THE PRESIDENT, 16 MARCH 1962 reads: "General Lemnitzer commented that the military had contingency plans for US intervention. Also it had plans for creating plausible pretexts to use force, with the pretext either attacks on US aircraft or a Cuban action in Latin America for which we could retaliate. The President said bluntly that we were not discussing the use of military force, that General Lemnitzer might find the U.S so engaged in Berlin or elsewhere that he couldn't use the contemplated 4 divisions in Cuba." The proposal was sent for approval to the Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara, but was not implemented.

Following presentation of the Northwoods plan, Kennedy removed Lemnitzer as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, although he became Supreme Allied Commander of NATO in January 1963. American armed forces leaders began to perceive Kennedy as going soft on Cuba, and the President became increasingly unpopular with the military, a rift that came to a head during Kennedy's disagreements with the service chiefs over the Cuban Missile Crisis.

On 3 August 2001, the National Assembly of People's Power of Cuba (the main legislative body of the Republic of Cuba) issued a statement referring to Operation Northwoods and Operation Mongoose wherein it condemned such U.S. government plans.

Kennedy personally rejected the Northwoods proposal, and it would now be the Joint Chiefs' turn to incur his displeasure.

Northwoods Reaction

Just one more reason why JFK was assassinated   :o

So  whether or not you believe the 'official' version... one absolute truth exists..

They DID have the intent and the detailed plans for just such an operation

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Re: 9/11 Collection of Anomalies
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2011, 03:09:50 PM »
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Re: 9/11 Collection of Anomalies
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2011, 02:11:47 AM »
IF...

IF you look at a plane crash when the fuel goes up you would see an orange fireball...
IF you see a missile strike you would see a red fireball...

So what color is the fireball at the pentagon?



Does THAT look like jet fuel burning?

THIS is the color of Jet Fuel burning...



 ::)

IF you flew a plane over the pentagon that released a Global hawk missile from beneath it...
...you would have some people swear they saw a plane... and some people swear they saw a small plane, a missile

IF You paint that missile to look like an American Airliner, then people in the heat of the moment would swear they saw an airliner





IF You crash an airplane the size of a 757.. you would resonably expect to see debris strewn everywhere, especially the luggage


Libya May 12, 2010


Libya May 12, 2010


KINGSTON, Jamaica December 23, 2009


Beirut Jan 25 2010

But where is the wreckage at the pentagon? This is right after the crash... Where is the airplane? where is the luggage?





IF what hit the pentagon really was a Painted Global Hawk, is there ANY  evidence to support this?

Only ONE engine was found... where is the other one? A Boeing 757 engine is 10 feet tall...

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In a recent article published at www.onlinejournal.com Karl Schwarz claims the engine parts photographed at the Pentagon crash site on 911 are not from 757 powerplants or the 757 APU (APU = auxiliary power unit, a small turbine engine in the aircraft tail that provides auxiliary power to the aircraft while on the ground and in emergencies etc) rather they are from a much earlier turbojet model eg the P&W JT8D used in early model 737s and the USAF A3 Skywarrior. If there are any A&P mechanics who have worked on the 757s and/or early turbojets like the JT8Ds it would be interesting to hear their comments.

Karl Schwarz on the engine parts found at Pentagon crash site.

A Piece of Wreckage...





Yup... looks like an American Airlines Logo letter...  but is it?  Looks kinda small...



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If you look at a picture of Flight 77, the American Airlines logo is clearly larger that the letter dipicted above. The letter above looks to be about 12? across give or take a few. Now look at Flight 77. Also notice the image I inserted of a mechanic working on one of the same types of engines that are on Flight 77

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by Scott Creighton

It would appear that Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta’s testimony before the 9/11 Commission has been verified by documents released back in 2009.  For those of you who don’t remember, Norman testified to the commission that while he was in the bunker at the White House on Sept. 11th, 2001, he heard an individual giving Dick Cheney status reports on the target that was approaching DC. His testimony was left out of the final 9/11 Commission Report and many debunker types, including some fake “truthers” in the movement, have tried to claim that he was mistaken or that it was a “ghost” signal image of Flight 93 (which never got that close to DC, BTW) (watch the video of Mineta’s testimony below)

Mineta’s Testimony to the 9/11 Commission Confirmed by Secret Service Log

Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta

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Re: 9/11 Collection of Anomalies
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2011, 02:13:15 AM »
Let's Have a Closer Look at the Strike

Pentagon Security Camera footage of the strike...





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Originally posted by mikelee
Having stated in the past that I believe the Pentagon was hit with an aircraft of an unknown type I have an opinion as to what I think it was. Based on photos and other evidence including SecDef at the time, Don Rumsfeld who keeps on spilling the beans...gotta love him for that! Seriously though I think its strange that he himself has validated two theories, flight 93 shot down & a missile strike into the Pentagon.



Above, photo still blown up to show clear smoke trail.



Above shows the "V" shaped tail section of a Global hawk flying after impact.



Above still frame from Pentagon camera and outline of Global Hawk just prior to impact.



Above is the outline of what looks very much like the aft section of a Global Hawk.



Above, painted up to fit into the plan anyone who see this traveling at full speed isn't going to recognize it for anything except a commercial airliner. Why? The colors and the human mind thinking it saw what it really didn't.



The picture above shows how large the GH really is. Many think its just a small unmanned drone.

A reporter asked Don Rumsfeld a question. Below is his answer.


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Question: This is a question that's been asked by many Americans, but especially by the widows of September 11th. How were we so asleep at the switch? How did a war targeting civilians arrive on our homeland with seemingly no warning? 

Rumsfeld: There were lots of warnings. The intelligence information that we get, it sometimes runs into the hundreds of alerts or pieces of intelligence a week. One looks at the worldwide, it's thousands. And the task is to sort through it and see what you can find. And as you find things, the law enforcement officials who have the responsibility to deal with that type of thing -- the FBI at the federal level, and although it is not, it's an investigative service as opposed to a police force, it's not a federal police force, as you know. But the state and local law enforcement officials have the responsibility for dealing with those kinds of issues.  They [find a lot] and any number of terrorist efforts have been dissuaded, deterred or stopped by good intelligence gathering and good preventive work. It is a truth that a terrorist can attack any time, any place, using any technique and it's physically impossible to defend at every time and every place against every conceivable technique. Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filed with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. The only way to deal with this problem is by taking the battle to the terrorists, wherever they are, and dealing with them.

DoD transcript archive

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Don Rumsfeld went on to say later in 2004 that flight 93 was shot down as well.

Donald Rumsfeld says Pennsylvania flight shot down

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9/11 SYNTHETIC TERRORISM MADE IN USA
CHAPTER VII: WHAT HIT THE PENTAGON?


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The speed, the maneuverability, the way he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane. -- Danielle O'Brien

The official version and the 9/11 commission report claim that it was American 77, a hijacked Boeing 757, which struck the side of the Pentagon. In the case of the Pentagon, the official version is perhaps at its most vulnerable: the impact hole in the side of the building is far too small to have been created by a Boeing 757, and there is almost no recognizable aircraft debris. Beyond these insuperable problems with the physical evidence, the reports of eyewitnesses, while contradictory, show that many thought they had seen a flying object much smaller than a Boeing 757. Some spoke of a missile, and at least one of the smell of high explosives in the air.

Perhaps because of these grave difficulties, it was the Pentagon chapter of the official 9/11 story which came under attack soonest. The timely exposure of the absurdities of the official story was largely due to the clarity and the courage of Thierry Meyssan of the Reseau Voltaire in Paris, who used his web site to demystify what had happened. Meyssan's success in making telling points on the internet and on French national television even motivated Le Monde, the leading French center- left newspaper, to attempt a grotesque and degrading defense of the US official account in February and March 2002. Quelle honte! Three days before Meyssan's pioneering book L'effroyable imposture (The Big Lie) was published, the FBI gave CNN a meager five frames from a surveillance video camera located at a gas station near the Pentagon which purported to show how the Pentagon was hit -- although these images proved nothing of value to shore up the official version. The pictures were reported in the Washington Post of March 7, 2002, and televised on March 8, 2002, certainly not by coincidence.

WHAT HIT THE PENTAGON?

Conspiracy Theory with Gov. Jesse Ventura- 911 Pentagon Attack

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9/10/2001: Rumsfeld says $2.3 TRILLION Missing from Pentagon

[youtube]xU4GdHLUHwU[/youtube]

At the beginning of all this 9/11 conspiracy talk, we had a file that showed that the financial records that were under revue were housed in that section of the pentagon. Maybe John remembers where we found that reference. So for now it is a rumor... till we find that file ;)


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Re: 9/11 Collection of Evidence
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2011, 09:46:50 PM »


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We stand with the numerous other growing organizations of Firefighters, Medical Professionals, Lawyers, Scholars, Military Officers, Veterans, Religious and Political Leaders, along side Survivors, family members of the victims -- family members of soldiers who have made the ultimate sacrifice -- including the many Ground Zero workers who are now ill or have passed away, when we ask for a true, new independent investigation into the events of 9/11. We do not accept the 9/11 Commission Report and/or "hypothesis" as a satisfactory explanation for the sacrifice every American has made and continues to make -- some more than others.
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Re: 9/11 Collection of Evidence
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2011, 09:49:28 PM »


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Re: 9/11 Collection of Evidence
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2011, 09:58:23 PM »


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Re: 9/11 Collection of Evidence
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2011, 10:00:55 PM »


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Re: 9/11 Collection of Evidence
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2011, 03:22:48 AM »
Former 9 11 Commissioner admits missile hit the Pentagon

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Re: 9/11 Collection of Evidence
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2012, 07:52:53 PM »
Loose Change Final Cut, Full Length

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Re: 9/11 Collection of Evidence
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2012, 01:17:21 AM »
911 Ground Zero WTC Bush previously unreleased footage

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Re: 9/11 Collection of Evidence
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2012, 01:18:21 AM »
911 WTC North Tower Core columns turned into dust

Watch this one very closely. Just after the building collapses you will see the remainder of the steel skeleton. Moments later the steel literally turns to dust

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Re: 9/11 Collection of Evidence
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2012, 09:03:18 PM »
Roaring Bright Red-Orange 1500°F
Core in WTC Ruins 6 Weeks Later


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Fire Chief from 27th Battalion, FDNY describes the scene at Ground Zero almost 6 weeks after September 11, 2001: "This is how it's been since day one. ['How?'] Oh, it's unbelievable; and this is 6 weeks later -almost 6 weeks later. And as we get closer to the center of this, it gets hotter and hotter; it's probably 1500°.

We've had some small windows into, um, what we thought was the core at some point, and it looked like a, uh, an oven, you know. It was just roaring inside and it just had a bright, bright reddish-orange color. See that stuff he's pulling out? ['What was that, Chief?'] You're going to- we're going to hold off on the water. See the stuff he's pulling out? ['Yeah'] If we hit it -too much steam and he won't be able to see what he's doing ['Okay. Great.']."

Jet Fuel, a combustible hydrocarbon, has a boiling point of 680°F. This means that after 680°F, it becomes gaseous. The maximum temperature of hydrocarbon fires burning in the atmosphere without use of a pre-mixed flame is ~1517°F. Pre-mixed flames have a controlled fuel-to-air ratio and typically burn blue. The fires burning at the WTC 1&2, however, were diffuse flame fires, meaning that their air-to-fuel ratio was not being controlled. Diffuse flames typically burn with a red-orange color and are cooler in temperature than their pre-mixed counterpart. However, when diffuse flames become oxygen-starved, they produce dark black smoke. At that point, the fires are well below ~1517°F.

So, that begs the question: What could burn for 6 weeks and afterwards, still maintain a temperature of 1500°F? It can't be jet fuel. It is highly combustible, would be in gaseous form at 1500°F, and would burn very, very quickly and fully, as we clearly and definitively saw happen with the fireball that emerged from WTC2 as it was struck by a plane on the morning of September 11, 2001. Deduction would also indicate that whatever this material is, it cannot be gaseous for it to be present 6 weeks after 9/11.

It must be a solid or a liquid. Gas would evolve into the air in very quickly. Because it is not a gas, the material in question must have a boiling point that is higher than 1500°F. It would also require a low combustibility and a large quantity for it to continue to burn for 6 weeks without the introduction of new materials and while being suffocated by non-flammable cement and cement dust. With this in mind, the material would also have been much hotter in the initial days following 9/11.

One material that fits all of these requirements: steel. It has a melting point of 2750ºF. After this, it becomes a liquid. With higher heat, it will also revert back to the iron it is made up of. If there were significant quantities of liquid steel or iron present at Ground Zero, by 6 weeks later, it could have easily pooled, solidified and cooled to ~1500°F; and at 1550°F, heated metals give off a reddish-orange color. BUT JET FUEL FIRE CANNOT MELT STEEL (1517°F vs 2750°F), RENDERING THE OFFICIAL STORY WRONG!

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[April 21, 2018, 02:52:21 AM]


BREAKING NEWS 3 hrs ago Kim Jong Un: North Korea no longer needs nuclear tests, by zorgon
[April 21, 2018, 02:33:41 AM]