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marcus allen and the nasa pics
« on: June 25, 2012, 04:52:59 PM »

marcus allen of Nexus magazine and his views on the Apollo missions and the fact that the hasleblad cameras had no viewfinders yet the pictures bought back are perfectly in frame?
I think there is a reasonable argument to be had here.

I'm not saying that they never went to the moon but i do wonder IF IT WAS WHO THEY SAY IT WAS WHO WENT?


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Re: marcus allen and the nasa pics
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2012, 05:32:58 PM »
marcus allen of Nexus magazine and his views on the Apollo missions and the fact that the hasleblad cameras had no viewfinders yet the pictures bought back are perfectly in frame?
I think there is a reasonable argument to be had here.
Not really, as not all photos are perfectly in frame (the fact that we do not know what they wanted to frame helps getting that idea) and it's relatively easy to point a camera in the right direction even without a viewfinder.

Something like a cowboy drawing his gun and shooting without aiming it, it's a question of practice. :)

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Re: marcus allen and the nasa pics
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2012, 06:38:25 PM »
Hi Armap, i see what your saying but some of the examples are just too good to be true imo
and add to that the fiddly button and there was no way of telling if the film was wound on!

No there are a lot of holes in the official story.What about the radiation effects on the film?
and dont get me started on the light sources used LOL
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Re: marcus allen and the nasa pics
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2012, 01:53:31 PM »
Hi Armap, i see what your saying but some of the examples are just too good to be true imo
and add to that the fiddly button and there was no way of telling if the film was wound on!
Too good to be true? I haven't seen any.

What about the bad photos? Not all photos are good.

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What about the radiation effects on the film?
Does that mean that all photos of the Moon are fake? Because the Apollo missions were not the only ones photographing the Moon, there are hundreds of photos taken from orbit that do not suffer from the radiation, and those made (more or less) the same trip.

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and dont get me started on the light sources used LOL
OK, I won't. :)

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Re: marcus allen and the nasa pics
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2012, 06:39:01 AM »
In some of my research I found out that they were all given these cameras to take home and shot every thing they could. They practiced with them for months until they could do it in their sleep. The cameras used are of very good quality and it is hard to make a bad photo. It is also hard to figure out what they were really after in the frame unless the other astronaut was there.  There are many photos that are out of frame, on an angle over exposed, Burt by the sun and so on. A simple pass through the entire rolls of film can show this.
 
Back in the day when I was using my 35mm film camera every day, I could shot it and load the film blind folded. After awhile it gets like riding a bike. Rarely looked at the settings or through the lens. Didn't need to anymore. ( now I would have to )  So my guess is this can be a learned thing if you want to spend money on film for months.
 
As far as the light sources, I am the guy! Toss one up and lets take a look..All the research I ever did was on 17. But you may toss up what ever you wish to. As long as there is no bad feelings I will look at it and give you a feed back. Be sure to state which shot it is from and give the NASA link also. Just some photo from the web does not count because it might have been worked on. All of us will go out to NASA and get the original there. Pick the Hi-res photo and not the silly thumbnail ones. Rather the missions were real or not is up to you but we can look at a photo and see what is there and why. At least try!
 
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Re: marcus allen and the nasa pics
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2012, 07:19:42 AM »
I might point out that just because it's from NASA does not follow that the photo has not been "worked on..."  Plenty of evidence that many have been...
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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2012, 07:25:58 AM »
I might point out that just because it's from NASA does not follow that the photo has not been "worked on..."  Plenty of evidence that many have been...

I agree but then at least we are getting it from the same source. And after all unless someone else was up there on on set with them then they should be the ones in question. Not something with no ties. I bet you could add 2 light sources to any photo. You have enough talent in PS.
 
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Re: marcus allen and the nasa pics
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2012, 08:04:09 AM »
Ah, ye flatter Me.  [smile]  Fair enough, Deuem.  Single source is the best.
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Re: marcus allen and the nasa pics
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2012, 08:52:34 AM »
Ah, ye flatter Me.  [smile]  Fair enough, Deuem.  Single source is the best.
See your smile is contagious, Even my cat wants to get in on it.    He has my eyes, Cute little Deuem cat.
 
Several years ago a team of us went after one of the 3 light source photos and after several months we found out it was a photo that had around the internet world and was altered to made NASA look even worse than they are. So if I am going to waste any time checking NASA, I want to use their prints to see what they do. A lot of us are like that now. We are in a world of CGI and people that use it to get their kicks.  So those are simple ground rules for me. It has nothing to do with the OP.
 
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Re: marcus allen and the nasa pics
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2012, 09:50:42 AM »
I might point out that just because it's from NASA does not follow that the photo has not been "worked on..."  Plenty of evidence that many have been...
Well get posting some threads with the evidence then.  I love this stuff. :)

We can't discuss evidence if we haven't put any on the forum surely?

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Re: marcus allen and the nasa pics
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2012, 04:53:56 PM »
Great reply's, i fully agree! research the evidence for your self
rather than take some other guy on his word alone,I have seen quite a
bit of Marcus Allen's work on this subject and others.

I do find some of it plausible,we all know NASA worked on a lot of the
Apollo pics but it's a fair enough question to ask me to find some pics
I deem dodgy IE light source's,I don't have any saved but i shall look through
the NASA achieves and see if i can find a few that i think
need an expert's take  on them (Deaum) ;) when i find the time a to do
some legwork.Be patient. 
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Re: marcus allen and the nasa pics
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2012, 06:57:00 PM »
Anyone wanting to do research on the Apollo photos should really get a hold of the old LIFE magazine from that time.  I still remember the first time I saw them printed on glossy paper and believe me, a computer screen does NOT do them justice!   They were jaw droppingly good, so good that even at the time as a 15 year old, I wondered how it was possible. 

And yeah, there was never a star in the background that I can remember.  Just that astonishing pitch black, alone in the Universe look. 

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Re: marcus allen and the nasa pics
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2012, 07:49:39 PM »
Anyone wanting to do research on the Apollo photos should really get a hold of the old LIFE magazine from that time. 


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Re: marcus allen and the nasa pics
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2012, 07:56:27 PM »
As far as the light sources, I am the guy! Toss one up and lets take a look..

Okay

Click on image for full size then explain to me why the sun being behind the LEM and them not having a flash, the front of the LEM is clearly and brightly lit.



Source:  www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5863-69.jpg
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Re: marcus allen and the nasa pics
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2012, 02:36:00 PM »
nice example zorgon, This one looks a bit to good to be true? multiple
light source's. But i'm no expert i was mealy saying i think Marcus Allen
has bought some important issues to light with his work on the moon pic's.





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