are you agree we are in a new age? the ai age?

[RUSSO]

Are you agree?

how do you think this will be in the next 100 years?

if you agree. How you think the 100 years next future will be? 2118 i mean.

[ArMaP]

If by "ai" you mean Artificial Intelligence, then I do not agree, because most of the things that are presented as AI today are not really AI, they are just different methods (usually based on statistics) to do things.

From what I have seen AI hasn't evolved much in the last 40 years.

[petrus4]

Artificial intelligence is almost exclusively based on wishful thinking.  Yes, game AI has got a lot better in recent years in some respects, and they're doing some interesting things with neural networks now as well.  I think it will be a very long time before we see genuine strong, sentient AI, though; especially considering the crisis programming is in at the moment. 

I keep reading about how battery technology isn't good enough to support newer versions of mobile phones, when that is only due to what bloated garbage contemporary software is.  With Linux I would be quite happy using an interface which would have worked inside 64 megabytes (64 million bytes) of memory; tmux and ratpoison under bare X Windows, which would fit in a maximum of 200 megabytes (200 million bytes) of hard drive space.  That is all I need, and in comparison with earlier computers I've used, 200 Mb is insanely extravagant.  Microsoft are claiming that their newest versions of Windows need 3 to 5 gigabytes, which is 3 to 5 billion bytes, yet for the most part said operating system doesn't do anything we weren't doing 10 years ago.

We're not going forwards; we're going backwards.  The corporations are trying their hardest to turn the Internet into an incrementally more interactive version of cable television, which no one wants; but all they give a damn about is making money.

[RUSSO]

I think it will be a very long time before we see genuine strong, sentient AI, though; especially considering the crisis programming is in at the moment. 

I think about it the same way.  "it will be a very long time before we see genuine strong, sentient AI"

Can i ask you what you think about the real stages of AI in military X private sector? What you think about elon musk concerns? do you think he knows something more we dont know or even imagine to see but because his conections he already had contact? Can we possible being played by powers we not aware in the case strong AI is real?

[RUSSO]

because most of the things that are presented

It is what is not presented that is my concern ArMaP. But i understand your "becauses" about why you not convinced about the sentient AI being a real thing.

I just disagree with you about it. But i think your argument is valid yet not strong enough because it is based on main stream news about it.

[robomont]

this statement is just speculation.
if our thoughts are 99% the same,then what makes us different is 1%.that means one template of a neural net with 99%.that reduces storage of a personality to 1%.thats not much memory space in the grand scheme of things.
even human vocabularies are usually limited to 1000 words.common core education will make creating a limited sentient easy.
add in that it needs human senses.eyes,ears,touch,smell,time,taste.
those may take up more memory than the other stuff.
ai is already being contract out to corporations so its out there.but truly its just mimicking.but doesnt a baby just mimic?
so in reality,higher thought processes are just motivated mimics.
seek x,find x,post x or execute x.
darpa supposedly was looking for a way to find every chem structure there is.i suspect a software program connected to cloudfare could do that in a week or less.

pretty soon we will all be simmed if we arent already via goo,fb,amazon.
i suspect it can almost predict us now.by knowing our age,our habits,our desires.a map of our search history.our dedication to online research time.
then motivating us via chatbot torture tech to desire x.then amazingly and ad for x comes up on amazon.did we want it or did chatbot influence us to want it.because amazon got a heck of a deal on x and is marketting it subliminally.

[RUSSO]

tbut doesnt a baby just mimic?

They mimic. but they become adults too right?

ok robomont, maybe it is speculation. speculation tho may be in the future profit or not. at least stocks are that way.

[ArMaP]

It is what is not presented that is my concern ArMaP.

I can only comment on what I know, anything else would be just using my imagination.

[ArMaP]

if our thoughts are 99% the same,then what makes us different is 1%.that means one template of a neural net with 99%.that reduces storage of a personality to 1%.thats not much memory space in the grand scheme of things.

Memory space is not (and never was) a problem for AI, only for those methods that use statistical models, as the more data they have the better statistics they get and the better results.

even human vocabularies are usually limited to 1000 words.

I think you wrong by some tens of thousands.

ai is already being contract out to corporations so its out there.but truly its just mimicking.but doesnt a baby just mimic?

What they do now is just mimicking, but a baby doesn't just mimic, and that's the biggest difference, a baby can apply that mimicking to a different situation, because he understands why it was done and where it could be applied.

i suspect it can almost predict us now.by knowing our age,our habits,our desires.a map of our search history.our dedication to online research time.

Not even the people that lived with me for all my life can predict me.

then motivating us via chatbot torture tech to desire x.then amazingly and ad for x comes up on amazon.did we want it or did chatbot influence us to want it.because amazon got a heck of a deal on x and is marketting it subliminally.

Once more, statistics and data can do that. Real AI would reach the same result with much less data.

[space otter]

i don't know about the label of  ai   but the nano tech they are using will only become more efficient with time..
fixing body structure and tissue and adding age (living longer) as the parts don't wear the same
so would you consider the nano bots placed in the body  ai or something else

does using your own tissue and a 3d printer to fix organs or grow new parts   count as ai or progress?


and if they  start turning on the "junk" dna  then what?
would you call that evolution or manipulation?

and does any of it matter?  as change is ongoing and mostly unstopable..isn't it?

and if we are circling the drain is the next place/area better or just different?

i have too many questions to be able to answer yours...sorry 

[petrus4]

and if we are circling the drain is the next place/area better or just different?

I'm not doing anything other than staying exactly where I am, any more.  The present is friged, the future is worse, and I refuse to participate.

[RUSSO]

I can only comment on what I know, anything else would be just using my imagination.

comments like in this video (i know you dont like vids ArMaP) are so strong, that comments you make as "imaginations ones" make me understand we really need a tought police. Lets police a/i. Why not? is it narrow yet?



there is br subtitles i know you dont need it tho.

[fansongecho]

Mankind and our illusion about control - when ever I hear a technologist/scientist/Guru speak in measured tones and gushing rhetoric about "mans ability to control technology X Y Z" the supreme arrogance always has me rolling my eyes ..  and shaking my head - if history has proven 1 thing to me, it is the fact that we are useless at controlling anything that has a technological angle -

Once they have the nanotechnology ready for release to the mainstream commercial actors for medical use, it will just be a matter of time before there is a major disaster with it, we cant control dick! -    its all about the money as always.

In my humble opinion - "steps of soapbox"

Cheers,

Fans' 

Have a cracking weekend everyone 

[ArMaP]

Sorry, RUSSO, I was only able to watch the first 5 minutes, when I heard him talk about machines performing at a level of superhuman intelligence I stopped listening, as I always do when people talk about things as if they are a fact without providing any evidence of what they say.

[robomont]

armap and me have had debates about this in the past.
to anybody who doubts,
what factors of it do you think are impossible for a super computer to do?
we have quantum comps.we have super high speed comps.
we have psychology.
we have likes for articles.
we have search engines.
we have sentence builders and voice monitoring for ads of what we talk about.
why can we not have super intelligence?
what if all the rules were passed for the sentient test.does that mean the rules were wrong?