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Weapons of Mass Destruction - The Vajra
« on: February 26, 2018, 12:03:51 AM »
Weapons of Mass Destruction - The Vajra

When Myths and Legends are told across cultures there is usually some truth behind them. We have all heard of Zeus and his thunderbolts and the Might Thor the god of Thunder and Lightning of the Vikings.

But in the Vedic Scriptures we have a similar story... of a device used by Indra, the chief among Gods. It is described as a hand held weapon that unleashed terrible lightning energies when thrown, and like Thor's Hammer, would return to the thrower.

This weapon is called the VAJRA

In the above photo the one on top is show open while the one below is closed. The story goes that Buddha closed the prongs so it became a symbol of peace instead of a weapon of war...


According to Asko Parpola, the Sanskrit Vajra- and Avestan Vazra- both refer to a weapon of the Godhead.

Early descriptions

In the Rigveda

The earliest mention of the vajra is in the Rigveda, part of the four Vedas. It is described as the weapon of Indra, the chief among Gods. Indra is described as using the vajra to kill sinners and ignorant persons. The Rigveda states that the weapon was made for Indra by Tvastar, the maker of divine instruments. The associated story describes Indra using the vajra, which he held in his hand, to slay the asura Vritra, who took the form of a serpent.

On account of his skill in wielding the vajra, some epithets used for Indra in the Rigveda were Vajrabhrit (bearing the vajra), Vajrivat or Vajrin (armed with the vajra), Vajradaksina (holding the vajra in his right hand), and Vajrabahu or Vajrahasta (holding the vajra in his hand). The association of the Vajra with Indra was continued with some modifications in the later Puranic literature, and in Buddhist works. Buddhaghoṣa, a major figure of Theravada Buddhism in the 5th century, identified the Bodhisattva Vajrapani with Indra.

In the photo below it looks more like a staff weapon...

Indra's Vajra as the Privy Seal of King Vajiravudh of Thailand

In the Puranas

Many later puranas describe the vajra, with the story modified from the Rigvedic original. One major addition involves the role of the Sage Dadhichi. According to one account, Indra, the king of the deva was once driven out of devaloka by an asura named Vritra. The asura was the recipient of a boon whereby he could not be killed by any weapon that was known till the date of his receiving the boon and additionally that no weapon made of wood or metal could harm him. Indra, who had lost all hope of recovering his kingdom was said to have approached Shiva who could not help him. Indra along with Shiva and Brahma went to seek the aid of Vishnu. Vishnu revealed to Indra that only the weapon made from the bones of Dadhichi would defeat Vritra. Indra and the other deva therefore approached the sage, whom Indra had once beheaded, and asked him for his aid in defeating Vritra. Dadhichi acceded to the deva's request but said that he wished that he had time to go on a pilgrimage to all the holy rivers before he gave up his life for them. Indra then brought together all the waters of the holy rivers to Naimisha Forest, thereby allowing the sage to have his wish fulfilled without a further loss of time. Dadhichi is then said to have given up his life by the art of yoga after which the gods fashioned the vajrayudha from his spine. This weapon was then used to defeat the asura, allowing Indra to reclaim his place as the king of devaloka.

Another version of the story exists where Dadhichi was asked to safeguard the weapons of the gods as they were unable to match the arcane arts being employed by the asura to obtain them. Dadhichi is said to have kept at the task for a very long time and finally tiring of the job, he is said to have dissolved the weapons in sacred water which he drank. The deva returned a long time later and asked him to return their weapons so that they might defeat the asura, headed by Vritra, once and for all. Dadhichi however told them of what he had done and informed them that their weapons were now a part of his bones. However, Dadhichi, realising that his bones were the only way by which the deva could defeat the asura willingly gave his life in a pit of mystical flames he summoned with the power of his austerities. Brahma is then said to have fashioned a large number of weapons from Dadhichi's bones, including the vajrayudha, which was fashioned from his spine. The deva are then said to have defeated the asura using the weapons thus created.

There have also been instances where the war god Skanda (Kartikeya) is described as holding a vajra. Skanda is also the name of a bodhisattva in Mahayana Buddhism who wields a vajra.

In Vajrayana Buddhism

In Buddhism the vajra is the symbol of Vajrayana, one of the three major branches of Buddhism. Vajrayana is translated as "Thunderbolt Way" or "Diamond Way" and can imply the thunderbolt experience of Buddhist enlightenment or bodhi. It also implies indestructibility, just as diamonds are harder than other gemstones.

In Tantric Buddhism (Vajrayana) the vajra and tribu (bell) are used in many rites by a lama or any Vajrayana practitioner of sadhana. The vajra is a male polysemic symbol that represents many things for the tantrika. The vajra is representative of upaya (skilful means) whereas its companion tool, the bell which is a female symbol, denotes prajna (wisdom). Some deities are shown holding each the vajra and bell in separate hands, symbolizing the union of the forces of compassion and wisdom, respectively.

Vajrasattva holds the vajra in his right hand and a bell in his left hand. Credit: Robert Aichinger

In the tantric traditions of Buddhism, the vajra is a symbol for the nature of reality, or sunyata, indicating endless creativity, potency, and skillful activity. The term is employed extensively in tantric literature: the term for the spiritual teacher is the vajracharya; one of the five dhyani buddhas is vajrasattva, and so on. The practice of prefixing terms, names, places, and so on by vajra represents the conscious attempt to recognize the transcendental aspect of all phenomena; it became part of the process of "sacramentalizing" the activities of the spiritual practitioner and encouraged him to engage all his psychophysical energies in the spiritual life.

An instrument symbolizing vajra is also extensively used in the rituals of the tantra. It consists of a spherical central section, with two symmetrical sets of five prongs, which arc out from lotus blooms on either side of the sphere and come to a point at two points equidistant from the centre, thus giving it the appearance of a "diamond sceptre", which is how the term is sometimes translated.

Various figures in Tantric iconography are represented holding or wielding the vajra. Three of the most famous of these are Vajrasattva, Vajrapani, and Padmasambhava. Vajrasattva (lit. vajra-being) holds the vajra, in his right hand, to his heart. The figure of the Wrathful Vajrapani (lit. vajra in the hand) brandishes the vajra, in his right hand, above his head. Padmasambhava holds the vajra above his right knee in his right hand. Vajra

The Vajra

A modern Tibetan symbolic Vajra - Source

The vajra is made up of several parts. In the center is a sphere which represents Sunyata, the primordial nature of the universe, the underlying unity of all things. Emerging from the sphere are two eight petaled lotus flowers. One represents the phenomenal world (or in Buddhist terms Samsara), the other represents the noumenal world (Nirvana). This is one of the fundamental dichotomies which are perceived by the unenlightened. The physical manifestation of the vajra, also called dorje in this context, is the male organ.

Arranged equally around the mouth of the lotus are two, four, or eight creatures which are called makara. These are mythological half-fish, half-crocodile creatures made up of two or more animals, often representing the union of opposites, (or a harmonisation of qualities that transcend our usual experience). From the mouths of the makara come tongues which come together in a point.

The five-pronged vajra (with four makara, plus a central prong) is the most commonly seen vajra. There is an elaborate system of correspondences between the five elements of the noumenal side of the vajra, and the phenomenal side. One important correspondence is between the five "poisons" with the five wisdoms. The five poisons are the mental states that obscure the original purity of a being's mind, while the five wisdoms are the five most important aspects of the enlightened mind. Each of the five wisdoms is also associated with a Buddha figure. (see also Five Wisdom Buddhas)

Double Vajra - It is called “Dorje” in Tibetan - Source

Vajras may have nine, five or three spokes. The spokes of a peaceful vajra meet at the tip whereas those of a wrathful vajra are slightly splayed at the end. When paired with a bell their length can vary from four finger-widths to twenty-eight finger widths. - The Vajra: Thunder Bolt

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Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction - The Vajra
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2018, 12:08:32 AM »
The Thunder of Zeus

Many images of Zeus toassing Thunderbolts show them as a rod, but there are several depictions that show it as a Vajra

Left: Zeus is depicted with a rod-like thunderbolt.
Right: Zeus holds a thunderbolt with ends splayed into three prongs.

Originally, Zeus, the most powerful god of the Olympian gods, was not the master of Lightning, but of Thunderbolt. And that makes all the difference.

Zeus’ thunderbolt was a handgun launching a fire snake, i.e. a death ray.

Zeus had received the weapon from the hands of the fabulous Cyclops, the Men of the Golden Race, improbable creatures whose size reached fifty-four yards. The Cyclopes were the masters of lightning. They also mastered the art of ironworks and electronic engineering: they knew how to make terrible weapons…  So they offered Zeus the weapon that made him almighty, the thunderbolt that kills or turns into god.

Thor, the Norse god, had a magic weapon, a hammer that shoots lightning, capable of destroying armies and fortifications, but also able to rebuild the ruins. It was probably some technological weapon, whose memory has been transmitted to us distorted by myth. Thor, for some authors, would be a Nordic avatar of Zeus: no surprise if he mastered lightning. I think he is but a male avatar of the powerful Hathor, in whose name his name was drawn out.

By comparing the myths, we rapidly discover that the thunderbolt is a universal weapon, we could say it was the Gods’ Kalashnikov. “The thunderbolt, or Vajra, was the weapon of the god Indra; it was originally the lightning. A legend recounts the birth of the Vajra instrument, master of all weapons: the gods had confided  their arsenal to the first ascetic Dadhichi.

After having loyally kept it for a long time, Dadhichi changed his mind. Using his yogi powers, he dissolved the weapons in water, and drank it. Soon after that, the Asura Vritra came to challenge Indra. This one went to have his weapons back, and discovered they had been absorbed by the ascetic.

Sacrificing Dadhichi was the only way to recover them. Encouraged by Dadhichi, Indra reluctantly killed him, and manufactured the Vajra with his spine. The extraordinary circumstances of its forging allowed the god to win the struggle, because Vritra had obtained from Shiva the promise that he could be killed only by an exceptional weapon, made of a unique material.

Besides the fact that its power is unrivaled, the Vajra cannot be inappropriately used and always returns to his owner.

Indra’s Vajra may take different forms, a circle with a hole or a type of cross for instance. In the Rig-Veda, it was a bludgeon studded with multiple peaks. According to a buddhist legend, it was Sakyamuni who transformed the weapon into a peaceful tool, by bringing closer the ends of peaks.” (source) The Vajra or thunderbolt evokes a taser or a laser gun. It launched deadly rays resembling to lightning, including the thunderlike sound of the blow.

The legends says indeed that Buddha brought closer the peaks of the vajra, transforming then the lethal weapon into an instrument of healing. Since then, the ‘buddhist’ vajra with peaks put together became one of the main objects of worship of Tibetan Lamaism.

There are therefore two known uses of the vajra, it was first seen as a weapon, then thanks to Buddha, it became a sacred object, with a ritual function, but we still don’t know clearly what it is used for. Anyway, they still celebrate what was once a wonderful tool.

But with Buddha, the weapon became soft and healing … 

Rest of Article...

The Thunder of Zeus

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Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction - The Vajra
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2018, 12:14:26 AM »
I had started on this years ago  I already did a page on another ancient Vedic weapon, the Brahmastra. But I never got back to this one...

Well today I found Dr Rita Louise PhD :D and she did a very thorough article on this topic about a year ago (24 July, 2017 )  In return for banner link, I can copy the article. It is also on Unexplained Mysteries

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Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction - The Vajra
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2018, 12:21:25 AM »
The Vajra: An Ancient Weapon of War
By Dr Rita Louise Ph D 24 July, 2017

Dr Rita Louise: Bestselling author Dr Rita Louise Ph D is the founder of the Institute Of Applied Energetics and the host of Just Energy Radio She is the author of the books quot Dark Angels quot quot Avoiding the Cosmic... SOURCE

The Vajra: An Ancient Weapon of War

The vajra is the most important ritual implement of Vajrayana Buddhism.  In Sanskrit, the word vajra is defined as something hard or mighty, as in a diamond.  It symbolizes an impenetrable, immovable and indestructible state of knowledge and enlightenment.

Our knowledge of the vajra goes back to deep antiquity.  Texts indicate that the vajra was not always a symbol of peace and tranquility but something very different.  It first appears in ancient India where it was the primary weapon of the Vedic sky-god Indra, the king of the Devas.  According the Hindu Puranas, the evil Asuras, Namuchi and Vritra removed all of the light and moisture from the earth.  It made the land inhospitable to living beings. Indra battled the demon gods unsuccessfully and as a last resort called upon their supreme god Vishnu for help.

A weapon of the gods

Vishnu informed him that only a weapon that was neither solid nor liquid could kill Namuchi and Vritra.  Vishnu had the divine carpenter Tvashta fashion Indra a marvelous weapon he could use to vanquish the dreadful Asuras.  This new weapon, the vajra, emitted thunderbolts.  With it, Indra annihilated Namuchi and Vritra and returned the much needed light and moisture back to the earth.  The Rigveda describes this conflict thus:

Now I describe the glorious deeds of Indra, who holds Vajra. He killed the serpent and made waters flow. He broke the hearts of mountains.

He killed the serpent, which was taking refuge in mountain. Tvashta made the Vajra for him. Like the cows making sounds, flowing waters reached the sea.

Mighty Indra chose Soma, and drank from three containers. Generous Indra held Vajra in his hand, and killed first born among the serpents.

-  Rigveda 1.32

The vajra, when used, was thrown at one’s opponent.   Nitin Kumar, in his article Ritual Implements in Tibetan Buddhism, tells us, “As a hurled weapon the indestructible thunderbolt blazed like a meteoric fireball across the heavens, in a maelstrom of thunder, fire and lightning.”

Figure 2. A vajra with open prongs

From destructive weapon to peaceful scepter

Traditional images of the vajra (Figure 1.) depict it as a metal shaft with three, five or nine prongs that emanate from lotus blossoms on either end.  Originally, according to the ancient Indian text the Rigveda, when Indra used his vajra it had open prongs (Figure 2.).  Buddhist legend suggests that Shakyamuni, the Buddha himself, took the vajra from Indra and forced its prongs closed, thus transforming it from a destructive weapon into a peaceful scepter.

Figure 1. A traditional image of a vajra

A lightning weapon across cultures

Scholars contend that there is no relationship between Indian, Greek, Australian, and Norse mythology, nor the cosmology of the Americas.  They believe that each civilization conceived of their gods independently and that a deeper, older, universal tradition does not exist.  If this were the case, then the foundation of these societies; their myths, traditions, beliefs and iconography should be unique to them, their location and their history.  The tales of war, intrigue and conquest that come out of American history are vastly different from those of England, France, India and China.   So too are the customs, traditions and the symbols that represent the nation.  Yet when we look at a wide range of ancient and indigenous groups a pattern of commonality exists.  Myths and symbols found in India readily appear in the oral and written descriptions of other cultures.  They also appear in their artistic images.   These representations seem to transcend time and location.

The symbol of thunder or a thunderbolt as a tool of destruction, for example, surfaces in many ancient civilizations.   Mythology unfailingly associates lightning with a sky god, the god of thunder, who uses it as a weapon.

In the western world, the thunderbolt is most readily associated with the Greek sky god Zeus.  With it, he defeated the Titans and took control of the Greek pantheon. Myth tells us, that Zeus freed the Cyclopes, the master builders, who were imprisoned in the depths of the underworld - Tartarus.  In gratitude for their release, they gave him a marvelous weapon, the thunderbolt.  In another story, Zeus used his formidable weapon to battle the largest and most fearsome creatures in all of Greek mythology, the hundred-headed serpent Typhon.   Early images of Zeus depict show him holding a rod like thunderbolt, while others show this deadly weapon with its ends splayed into three prongs (Figure 3.).

Figure 3 - Left: Zeus is depicted with a rod-like thunderbolt.
Right: Zeus holds a thunderbolt with ends splayed into three prongs.

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Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction - The Vajra
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2018, 12:29:37 AM »
The Vajra of the Sumerians

A vajra-like weapon also appears in Sumerian cosmology.  Its use is recorded in the Babylonian Epic of Creation, the Enuma Elish.  A battle between the sky god Marduk (Bel) and serpent Tiamat is detailed on the fourth tablet of this ancient document.  The evil and powerful Tiamat, according to the Enuma Elish, was devising treacherous plans against Ea and the other reigning gods.  The gods were afraid to invoke her evil wrath and search for a solution.  Ea attempted to confront Tiamat, but instead of fighting, backed down.  Marduk, his son, stepped forward and volunteered to fight the enraged serpent, on one condition…  if he were successful, he would have dominion over the entire universe.

The gods agreed and provided Marduk with mighty weapons including a bow, a mace and a net to use in his battle against Tiamat.  Images of this epic scene show Marduk holding a three tipped scepter in his hand (Figure 4.).  Subsequent images clearly depict this same deadly three-pronged weapon (Figure 5.). 

Figure 4. Marduk depicted with a three-tipped scepter

Figure 5. Marduk fighting Tiamat with the three-pronged weapon

They gave him the unrivalled weapon, the destroyer of the enemy [saying]:
"Go, cut off the life of Tiâmat.
"Let the wind carry her blood into the depth [under the earth]."
The gods, his fathers, issued the decree for the god Bel.
They set him on the road which leadeth to peace and adoration.

-Enuma Elish

The Vajra in Norse mythology

The Rigveda also offers an alternative description of the vajra.  Some texts represent it as a notched metal club with thousands of prongs.  We find this form of the vajra in numerous other cultures.  The most well-known stories that portray the vajra in its club-like form come from Norse cosmology.  They are associated with the sky god Thor.  His mighty hammer Mjölnir was the most fearsome weapon in Norse mythology.  Images of the thunder god Thor traditionally show him carrying his mighty hammer.  Some texts describe Mjölnir as a hammer, while others refer to it as an ax or club. 

The master builders, the dwarfs, in the depths of the earth, made Mjölnir.  The Norse Skáldskaparmál, which can be found in the Snorri's Edda, describes Mjölnir as a hammer which would not fail.  As a weapon, it could level mountains. It goes on to state that if aimed it at anything; it would never miss its target.  It informs us that in addition to never missing its target, it would always find its way back to the hand of its owner.

Thor used his mighty hammer to battle his deadliest foe, the giant serpent Jörmungandr.  In these tales, the Midgard Serpent, Jörmungandr is not killed.  It would not be until near the end of the world in the apocalyptic battle of Ragnarök, that Thor would clash with Jörmungandr the final time.

The Slavic Vajra

In Slavic mythology, we learn of the evil serpent Veles who ascended from the underworld and stole something of value from the sky god Perun.  Perun, using lightning bolts, would vanquish Veles back to his underground realm annually. His deadly axe, like Thor’s mighty hammer was used to subdue evil and overcome the iniquitous serpent Veles.  It too would return to his hand after being thrown.

Irish mythology has a Vajra too

In Irish mythology, the magical weapon of the hero of Ulster Cúchulainn is the Gae Bolga or lightning spear.  Cúchulainn fought and killed his childhood friend and foster brother, Ferdia with this magical weapon. The Gae Bolga is described as a dart or spear, which separates into multiple barbs when entering the body, causing fatal wounds.  It was next to impossible to withdraw once it had impaled the body. The Irish Book of Leinster describes the devastating effects of the Gae Bolga as such:

It entered a man's body with a single wound, like a javelin, then opened into thirty barbs. Only by cutting away the flesh could it be taken from that man's body.” - Book of Leinster

The Chinese Vajra

In China, the legend of Hua-hu Tiao Devours Yang Chien describes a magical spike carried by Huang T'ien Hua which sounds remarkably similar to Indra’s vajra.

The Chin-kang, deprived of their magical weapons, began to lose heart. To complete their discomfiture, Huang T'ien Hua brought to the attack a matchless magical weapon. This was a spike 7 1/2 inches long, enclosed in a silk sheath, and called 'Heart-piercer.' It projected so strong a ray of light that eyes were blinded by it. Huang T'ien Hua, hard pressed by Mo-li Ch'ing, drew the mysterious spike from its sheath, and hurled it at his adversary. It entered his neck, and with a deep groan the giant fell dead. - Myths & Legends of China – E. T. C. Werner

Finding myths, with similar storylines, and their corresponding images in relatively close geographic areas, while interesting, does not fully support the universality of the gods.  When we uncover similar narratives and corresponding imagery, in remote regions of the world, this concept takes on a more serious tone.   Myths of a vajra-like weapon are found all over the world.  In Australia, the sky gods, the Wati Kutjara brothers, wield a magical boomerang, Wo-mur-rang or club. Boomerangs are known for their ability, once thrown, to return to their owner. Legend states that their father Kidili attempted to rape some of the first women.  Throwing their wo-mur-rang, they castrated their father where he disappeared into a water hole.

The Vajra in South American cultures

In the new world we encounter a similar deadly lightning weapon used by the sky gods.   In the Aztec culture there is the god Huitzilopochtli.  Huitzilopochtli, with his weapon Xiuhcoatl, “ the fire serpent ”, killed his sister Coyolxauhqui soon after he was born.  The Mayan rain deity Chaac and the later Aztec Tlaloc are both depicted carrying their lightning axe (Figure 6.).  Sometimes they are depicted holding snakes, which represent lightning bolts, which they would hurl from the mountaintops where they made their retreat.  In Peru, we find the god Illapa who is described as a man wielding a club in his left hand and a sling in his right.

Figure 6. Aztec god Tlaloc depicted carrying a lightning axe

The thunderstone

A variation of the lightning motif is the concept of the thunderstone. It is believed that thunderstones fall from the sky when the gods are battling each other. This idea is widely held throughout Africa.  The Yoruba of southwestern Nigera, for example, believe their axe carrying storm god Shange creates thunder and lightning and casts "thunderstones" down to earth.  The elders of this culture would search wherever lightning struck for these magical stones.

The thunder-producing weapon, the vajra, is only one example of the enormous number of commonalities found in myth, legend, culture and iconography around the world.  Similarities exist throughout Greek, Sumerian, Norse, Aztec, Australian and American cosmology.  These parallels include the gods, their lives and their amazing weapons.  They also include the laws and customs that govern our lives - the very fabric of society.

Universality of symbolism

The universality of symbolism found around the world implies something else.  Weapons, like the vajra, were not born from the imagination of man.  They did not come into being as part of a cultures evolution.  They were real.  They were tangible.  Someone somewhere in our remote past saw it and documented it.  It is only through an actual encounter with a marvelous weapon that emitted thunder that a clear and specific portrayal of it could be made.

Likewise, if tools like the vajra are genuine then we are forced to accept that the gods who wielded these weapons were factual individuals as well.  This newfound knowledge would open the door to a revolutionary new understanding of who we are.  It would challenge the basis of our society and could cause us to reevaluate not only our place in the universe, but everything we hold to be true.   

All images courtesy of Dr Rita Louise

By Rita Louise

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Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction - The Vajra
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2018, 01:49:38 AM »
The Vajra in Japan

Have not been able to find a lot on this one yet (tosses out Otter bait)

Kongō, A trident-shaped staff which emits a bright light in the darkness, and grants wisdom and insight. The staff belonged originally to the Japanese mountain god Kōya-no-Myōjin. It is the equivalent of the Sanskrit Vajra, the indestructible lightning-diamond pounder of the king of the gods/rain-god Indra. There the staff represents the three flames of the sacrificial fire, part of the image of the Vajra wheel.

Peaceful Vajra 
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Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction - The Vajra
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2018, 07:41:52 AM »

ah Z.. it's monday and i have a long list for today so i will have to come back to read all of that before doing any real searches but a real quick  search for:

Kongō, the peacefull vajra of japan

gets me this

Vajra - Khandro Net
Chin-kang (PY: Jingang) is the Chinese, and Kongo, the Japanese, word used for the thunderbolt. The giant dorje of .... According to a Buddhist legend, Shakyamuni took the vajra weapon from Indra and forced its wrathful open prongs together, thus forming a peaceful Buddhist scepter with closed prongs. The Buddhist ...

Chin-kang (PY: Jingang) is the Chinese, and Kongo, the Japanese, word used for the thunderbolt.


Japanese Buddhism - Page 98 - Google Books Result
Eliot - 2014 - ‎Religion
the rise in medieval Japan of vigorous and popular sects which protested against the dead formalism of the older ritual. The word Vajra, which forms the first part of Vajrayana and is rendered in Japanese by Kongo, means both thunderbolt and diamond, but is used to signify the real and absolute as opposed to the ...

Nio Protectors of Japan - Japanese Buddhism Photo Dictionary
Kongorikishi is a Hindu god who has accepted to become a guardian of Buddhism. He frequently appears as two angry warriors at the gate of Japanese temples: Mitsushaku Kongo stands on the left and carries a thunderbolt stick while Naraen Kongo is on the right with a saber. The statues created by Unkei and Kaikei and ...

pictures of the statues are copyrighted but they sorta look a lot like the  Jinn..interesting, huh?

if this is the wrong avenue  - sorry i said i haven't read all of your findings yet.. just a quick speed read so i'll be back later

edit to add

this also makes me think of Neptune and his trident..
you do know he was one of three brothers and saturn was the father.. i have always thought the myths were like parables

ok off to get  my errands done
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