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Attacking the Messenger
« on: June 22, 2017, 03:12:45 PM »
Well, I guess you could move to North Korea, see how that works out for you, or one of the rabid Moslem countries where you wear black in 120°F heat and can be stoned to death for looking sideways at a nice-looking young man, or have your most sensitive lady bits removed because you might enjoy yourself in the rack.

You don't know how good you have it. America isn't perfect, but it's 110-f***ing-percent better than most countries on this dirtball. The only countries that, maybe, have it better are in Scandinavia, plus Switzerland, and even those countries are being invaded by the primitive hordes. It's only a matter of time until Europe is culturally destroyed by them.

You think what you want about this country. I am GD grateful to be living here no matter how f***ed up it might be.
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Re: Tickling the Messenger
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2017, 03:24:13 PM »
Yes, ArMaP.  All around the globe.
So, you have lived in all countries of the world? Or are you just injecting your preconceived ideas into places you don't know?

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Re: Tickling the Messenger
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2017, 05:54:20 PM »
Well, I guess you could move to North Korea, see how that works out for you, or one of the rabid Moslem countries where you wear black in 120°F heat and can be stoned to death for looking sideways at a nice-looking young man, or have your most sensitive lady bits removed because you might enjoy yourself in the rack.

You don't know how good you have it. America isn't perfect, but it's 110-f***ing-percent better than most countries on this dirtball. The only countries that, maybe, have it better are in Scandinavia, plus Switzerland, and even those countries are being invaded by the primitive hordes. It's only a matter of time until Europe is culturally destroyed by them.

You think what you want about this country. I am GD grateful to be living here no matter how f***ed up it might be.

Why is it that People who cannot see the play on the LITERAL world stage for what it is, being indoctrinated into thinking that Their country is "the best!" start suggesting someOne, who sees the play as the farce it is, should "move?"

So...  Shall We be grateful?  Suck it up, and do nothing about it?  Take 10 minutes:

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Re: Tickling the Messenger
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2017, 07:09:14 PM »
Ten minutes wasted, but okay. It's the same sh*t you've been spewing all along. What is it you want me to do? Assassinate a Rockefeller?

Again I ask, what, exactly are you doing to fight The Machine? Give me specifics. Who have you talked to and what have you done to fight the puppeteer?

You seem to think that because I appreciate what I have I have, automatically, been indoctrinated by the Great Cosmic Pupfart, or whatever label of your choosing. I don't see it that way.

Again I ask, where would you prefer to be living in this day and age that would be an improvement in your living conditions? Where would you be freer? Where would people be more tolerant and more generous?

Specifics, give me specifics. What skills are you adding to the workforce that contribute to the betterment of our situation? What are you, personally, sacrificing in the name of your cause, to topple The Machine?
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Re: Tickling the Messenger
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2017, 07:56:34 PM »
Ten minutes wasted, but okay. It's the same sh*t you've been spewing all along. What is it you want me to do? Assassinate a Rockefeller?

Again I ask, what, exactly are you doing to fight The Machine? Give me specifics. Who have you talked to and what have you done to fight the puppeteer?

You seem to think that because I appreciate what I have I have, automatically, been indoctrinated by the Great Cosmic Pupfart, or whatever label of your choosing. I don't see it that way.

Again I ask, where would you prefer to be living in this day and age that would be an improvement in your living conditions? Where would you be freer? Where would people be more tolerant and more generous?

Specifics, give me specifics. What skills are you adding to the workforce that contribute to the betterment of our situation? What are you, personally, sacrificing in the name of your cause, to topple The Machine?

Ah, geez...  "Workforce."  Slaveforce?  I am disabled, but through pain, anguish even, I share awareness of a better way We can operate Human society - a way that allows Us all to live as richly as We Each might choose, promoting the CARING Ones to take care of things, and not the psychopaths, as do the systems Most presently consent to do.

“The best slave is the one who thinks he is free.” ― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

I might assess You as the best slave...

It amazes Me that You take these historical facts and brush them off as "the same sh*t [I've] been spewing all along."  WTF? 

And I'm told I am bound in a small box...  Whatever.  Have a nice life, Irene.
« Last Edit: June 27, 2017, 07:23:31 AM by Amaterasu »
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Re: Tickling the Messenger
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2017, 08:08:22 PM »
Ah, geez...  "Workforce."  Slaveforce?  I am disabled, but through pain, anguish even, I share awareness of a better way We can operate Human society - a way that allows Us all to live as richly as We Each might choose, promoting the CARING Ones to take care of things, and not the psychopaths, as do the systems Most presently consent to do.

“The best slave is the one who thinks he is free.” ― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

I might assess You as the best slave...

It amazes Me that You take these historical facts and brush them off as "the same sh*t [I've] been spewing all along."  WTF? 

And I'm told I am bound in a small box...  Whatever.  Have a nice life, Irene.

I can say I spent 30 years of my life helping people amd, in doing so, improving people's lives.

What have you done? It sounds like your philosophy is to sit around and chew the cud of Liberal social theory. If that's what you want to do, fine, but meanwhile someone has to grow the corn and run the trains and design the buildings and care for the sick.

Do you understand what I'm saying here? If you're not doing your share, not picking up your part of the load, you have zero right to b*tch because you are not the solution. You are the problem.
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Re: Tickling the Messenger
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2017, 08:35:03 PM »
Again I ask, what, exactly are you doing to fight The Machine? Give me specifics.

Sharing awareness...

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Who have you talked to and what have you done to fight the puppeteer?

Sharing awareness... with anyone who will listen

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You seem to think that because I appreciate what I have I have, automatically, been indoctrinated by the Great Cosmic Pupfart, or whatever label of your choosing. I don't see it that way.

Irrelevant... you are obviously not aware
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Re: Tickling the Messenger
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2017, 08:58:43 PM »
Ah, geez...  "Workforce."  Slaveforce?  I am disabled, but through pain, anguish even, I share awareness of a better way We can operate Human society -

You are not the only one here that is disabled and many of them a lot more than you, yet they are still able to fend for themselves in the work force and make a descent living.  I know one fellow who can only sleep sitting up... and he does flea markets

Sitting around 'sharing awareness' is not much use if the awareness that you are sharing is only based on your own personal concepts of the current reality. The message will fall on deaf ears because the reality is no where near as bad as you claim it to be

You call people who are working within the system slaves.. you call them willing puppets and other nasty names just because they do not agree with your view of the world. All that does is fling insults at people. You think that insulted people will bother to listen to your message?

I live here in Las Vegas Nevada  All my life I had great jobs, which I earned by being good at it and getting respect.  Today because of my legs not being able to allow me to continue on my job, I had to retire early and because of that change of status and a few other factors we are struggling a bit making ends meet

But I do NOT blame the system... I blame myself for making mistakes that could have buffered the current problem... and I am still working on it to turn it around... But the PTB has nothing to do with it. It is MY choice. I could sell the house and buy a motor home and be free of all debts. I don't intend to do that.

But you think this is slavery? You are full of it... This is my choice  I like the house. There may come a time when I get to old to care for it and will sell.

I also know how much you have placed a burden on others that offered you help. We won't discuss that here...   

You want people to become aware? using the Anonymous symbol is just as bad as you claim Masonic symbols (that you do not understand) are.  You link to a website describing the 47 and its meaning and that link is all about MATHEMATICS not world control.  Now how silly is THAT?

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a way that allows Us all to live as richly as We Each might choose, promoting the CARING Ones to take care of things, and not the psychopaths, as do the systems Most presently consent to do.

A way that is not practical and you have no solution offered as to how to even obtain it. You plan is based on supposed suppression of "free energy" and yet you support the dead science of Electrogravity

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“The best slave is the one who thinks he is free.” ― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
I might assess You as the best slave...

See? there you go again nothing but insults because someone doesn't accept your twisted view of reality

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And I'm told I am bound in a small box...

Yes a very small box with a huge ego crammed inside

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Re: Tickling the Messenger
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2017, 02:55:25 AM »
Don't worry Amy, I have your back, we're not all old, outdated, rabid right wingers.

The International and Young Socialists have your back



A breath of fresh air right?

Right wing politics only serve exploitative capitalistic interests, the nature of the decent human being is very much Socialist.

You'd have to be completely moronic to buy into the right wing agenda, so don't feel bad about being aliented from it .

Of course, I'm a proponent of participary democracy and activism. If you have physical limitations, you could still be active in other capacities, which you are.

I'll be open about having little faith in your initiative, but at the end of the day, I'd rather you out there talking about what you talk about, than all the bloody right wing Looney Toons spreading hatred and disinfo.



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Re: Tickling the Messenger
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2017, 07:05:41 AM »
Sorry Sinny, the nature of the human being is not to be socialist..perhaps it is best described in the book, The State, whereas humans are carefully explained to be communal, but humans are not wired to allow for specific members of society to benefit from the averageness of the rest, which is how socialism works.

In socialist societies, a select few are uber wealthy, and the vast majority are dirt poor and have little expendable income, if any, and almost all progress in the lives of its members is determined by the amount of money trickled down into it by the holders at the top.

Do not confuse ancient communal living with modern communism or socialism.

Communist and socialist ideologies have morphed from that ancient mostly peaceful cohabitation of non warring society, into this bloated unflinching, unbending psychopathy which both modern communism and socialism are built upon

What Amy proposes is a society where everyone is equal, lives in equally nice homes, drives equally nice cars, and does equal amounts of effort to further society..its actually a wonderful idea she has, it just cant work today due to the fact that human nature is to exceed or better itself through the toil of others.

But Amy has hope and she shares it with as many people as she can, and makes the best use of the tools she has...regardless of whether it will take hold in her lifetime or not.

The human mind will always be in flux, and someday socialism might be the best option for mankind, but until humans stop striving to become better through hard work and extra effort whether it be their own, or that of employees, socialism will be just another sword of Damacles dangled above the head of pawns of third world governments.

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Re: Tickling the Messenger
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2017, 08:11:15 AM »
Amy, can you not see that you, too, are a slave? You are a slave to an outdated ideology.

I like to think idealistically as well. I always think about what I'd do if I won the lottery, but I also always come to my senses.

You say that you're spreading awareness. You can have a philosophy PhD, but you're not much use to society if all you can do is discuss ideas.

If you want to talk the talk, great, but you also have to walk the walk.

Talk. Is. Cheap.

Even in the Socialist paradigm everyone has to physically contribute to the collective in order that the collective may prosper. No one can be a slacker.

Most importantly, who would you put in charge? No matter what system you function under, someone has to lead.

We see how that worked out in the former Soviet Union.
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Re: Tickling the Messenger
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2017, 08:34:40 AM »
I can say I spent 30 years of my life helping people amd, in doing so, improving people's lives.

What have you done? It sounds like your philosophy is to sit around and chew the cud of Liberal social theory. If that's what you want to do, fine, but meanwhile someone has to grow the corn and run the trains and design the buildings and care for the sick.

Do you understand what I'm saying here? If you're not doing your share, not picking up your part of the load, you have zero right to b*tch because you are not the solution. You are the problem.

I will guess You have not investigated My work.  We have three game-changing technologies that We can use to create MUCH better.  And if "doing My share" does not include solving for poverty, oppression, wage/debt slavery, intrusion, and profiteering (including war profiteering, "planned obsolescence" profiteering, medical profiteering, pharmaceutical profiteering, and many other forms of profiteering), and sharing awareness of what We can co-create on OUR planet (stolen from Us by the psychopaths in control through "trusts" and deceit), then I guess I am part of the problem.

Hardly "chewing cuds."
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Re: Tickling the Messenger
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2017, 08:38:56 AM »
Don't worry Amy, I have your back, we're not all old, outdated, rabid right wingers.

The International and Young Socialists have your back

A breath of fresh air right?

Right wing politics only serve exploitative capitalistic interests, the nature of the decent human being is very much Socialist.

You'd have to be completely moronic to buy into the right wing agenda, so don't feel bad about being aliented from it .

Of course, I'm a proponent of participary democracy and activism. If you have physical limitations, you could still be active in other capacities, which you are.

I'll be open about having little faith in your initiative, but at the end of the day, I'd rather you out there talking about what you talk about, than all the bloody right wing Looney Toons spreading hatred and disinfo.

I propose a solutocracy.  A bottom-up system, for any time One gives power to Others beyond the three Laws of Ethics, psychopaths will be drawn in.  [smile]

Thank You, Sinny!
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Re: Tickling the Messenger
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2017, 08:39:12 AM »
I will guess You have not investigated My work.  We have three game-changing technologies that We can use to create MUCH better.  And if "doing My share" does not include solving for poverty, oppression, wage/debt slavery, intrusion, and profiteering (including war profiteering, "planned obsolescence" profiteering, medical profiteering, pharmaceutical profiteering, and many other forms of profiteering), and sharing awareness of what We can co-create on OUR planet (stolen from Us by the psychopaths in control through "trusts" and deceit), then I guess I am part of the problem.

Hardly "chewing cuds."

Talk. Is. Cheap.
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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2017, 08:54:48 AM »
Sorry Sinny, the nature of the human being is not to be socialist..perhaps it is best described in the book, The State, whereas humans are carefully explained to be communal, but humans are not wired to allow for specific members of society to benefit from the averageness of the rest, which is how socialism works.

There is a vast difference between abundancism and socialism.  Socialism includes a top-down system and money...

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In socialist societies, a select few are uber wealthy, and the vast majority are dirt poor and have little expendable income, if any, and almost all progress in the lives of its members is determined by the amount of money trickled down into it by the holders at the top.

My point about money...

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What Amy proposes is a society where everyone is equal, lives in equally nice homes, drives equally nice cars, and does equal amounts of effort to further society..its actually a wonderful idea she has, it just cant work today due to the fact that human nature is to exceed or better itself through the toil of others.

Wrong.  What I propose is that Each of Us lives as We choose - richly, poorly, in between.  What I propose is that Each of Us choose what transportation We want - public, private, old tech, new tech, whatever.  What I propose is that Each of Us do what We choose - nothing at all, something We like, solving problems as they arise.  It CAN work today...  Except that We have to get free energy out from the grips of the powers that be (the psychopaths that keep it from Us because it means the end of Their control).

Human nature when there is no scarcity is to cooperate.  In the few societies where abundance has been available, that is exactly what Humans have done.  With robots to do the toiling, no One is going to feel "gypped."

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But Amy has hope and she shares it with as many people as she can, and makes the best use of the tools she has...regardless of whether it will take hold in her lifetime or not.

Amy has WILL.  [smile]

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The human mind will always be in flux, and someday socialism might be the best option for mankind, but until humans stop striving to become better through hard work and extra effort whether it be their own, or that of employees, socialism will be just another sword of Damacles dangled above the head of pawns of third world governments.

I do not propose socialism.  I propose abundancism.  An Ethical anarchy in a solutocracy.  This allows Us to become better through hard work at what We LOVE to do.  Not slaving for Others, making THEM rich, while the bulk of Humanity lives in deep poverty on a planet that belongs to ALL who are born here and was stolen from Us, was divided for Us to create the conquering of Humanity, keep Us enslaved, with the bulk of OUR planet's wealth flowing to very Few (psychopaths).
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