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Example Of Mass Media Deception
« on: June 05, 2017, 08:46:57 AM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/06/01/the-u-s-cant-quit-the-paris-climate-agreement-because-it-never-actually-joined/?utm_term=.9575155e110a#comments

So, the US withdrew from the Paris Treaty.....except that it was never ratified and the Constitution is explicit about it.  Mind-boggling that this topic gets heated discussion and headlines without the basics being considered.  Funny too, that it was put forward by a reputed "Constitutional Scholar".

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Re: Example Of Mass Media Deception
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2017, 09:37:21 AM »
8thman, that is why it pays to research everything and check the facts  8) They don't...

They have been screaming for impeachment since the day after the election, yet how can the POTUS be impeached when he hasn't taken office yet, and hasn't committed any wrong doing? Seriously?

Perhaps this will help you understand the travesty that is today's MSM  8)

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Re: Example Of Mass Media Deception
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2017, 02:05:04 PM »
I find it strange that the article says that the four-year withdrawal provision was "designed to limit Trump’s ability to exit". How can it be, if it was written before Trump was even a candidate to the US presidency?

Also, that four-year withdrawal provision is not like he says in the article. He says:
"A country party to the deal can withdraw only four years after giving notice of its intent to do so."

That's not true. What the the agreement says is:
"1. At any time after three years from the date on which this Agreement has entered into force for a Party, that Party may withdraw from this Agreement by giving written notification to the Depositary.

2. Any such withdrawal shall take effect upon expiry of one year from the date of receipt by the Depositary of the notification of withdrawal, or on such later date as may be specified in the notification of withdrawal."

So there's a three-year period in which countries cannot even give notice of withdrawing, then there's a one-year period after they have given notice of withdrawing.

It sounds to me like he hasn't a clear case of the Paris agreement not being active for the US, otherwise he would have stated it clearly in two or three sentences.

But I'm sure of one thing, most people do not have the slightest idea of what the Paris agreement says, and many politicians are included in that list.

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Re: Example Of Mass Media Deception
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2017, 04:23:56 PM »
But I'm sure of one thing, most people do not have the slightest idea of what the Paris agreement says, and many politicians are included in that list.
Exactly, Armap, they do not have a clue what it says  8) and they are too busy spinning bovine feces that everyone takes as gospel truth for anyone to actually read it, much less understand it...

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Re: Example Of Mass Media Deception
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2017, 05:24:28 PM »
These perversions of the Constitution are disgusting. Treaties that aren't treaties. Due process that doesn't apply to property.  Attacks committed on nations without Congressional vote.  A second amendment interpretation that can exclude military weapons broadly while ignoring the term 'militia". Corporations that are "people".

Oh, and let's not forget the perversion of the Commerce Clause in which the Federal gov. can ban anyone from growing pot even for their own exclusive use with no sales or barter taking place. That one was from Scalia - the originalist (ha-ha).

And the final perversion? The fact that the Constitution was written in such simple language that a common man could understand it, so as to support it - while courts now freely treat it as esoteric, obscure, almost occult - often divorced from the common man.  And they wonder why opinion polls show little confidence in the Supreme Court.

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Re: Example Of Mass Media Deception
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2017, 05:55:51 PM »
And the final perversion? The fact that the Constitution was written in such simple language that a common man could understand it, so as to support it - while courts now freely treat it as esoteric, obscure, almost occult - often divorced from the common man.  And they wonder why opinion polls show little confidence in the Supreme Court.
I think the US constitution needs a rewrite, but...
a) I think most would not let it be changed, even if they don't have any good reason for that;
b) it would be a great opportunity to insert articles that would be bad for most people;
... so I don't see it happening any time soone.

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Re: Example Of Mass Media Deception
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2017, 06:35:06 PM »
Woodrow Wilson sold out the entire country when he signed the acts that created the IRS and the Federal Reserve; we haven't had a legal government since then, rather we have the corporation of the United States; but until changes are made to remove those 2 entities and return the majority of the control to the states, where it belongs, we have this mess to deal with...

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Re: Example Of Mass Media Deception
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2017, 11:41:30 AM »
I think the US constitution needs a rewrite, but...
a) I think most would not let it be changed, even if they don't have any good reason for that;
b) it would be a great opportunity to insert articles that would be bad for most people;
... so I don't see it happening any time soone.

I'm glad you're not American, ArMaP. The Constitution is a sound document as it is. The dysfunction is in how it is interpreted.
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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2017, 01:32:47 PM »
I'm glad you're not American, ArMaP. The Constitution is a sound document as it is. The dysfunction is in how it is interpreted.
The entire federal government needs to be reworked, and go back to following the Constitution instead of thinking it is an anachronism for occasional reference ...

The first step is to take being politically correct and stuff it in the trash can...

John F. Kennedy said "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what can you do for your country"

The Democrats and SJW's need to ponder on that and realize that nothing is free, that someone has to pay for everything...

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Re: Example Of Mass Media Deception
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2017, 01:45:32 PM »
The Constitution is a sound document as it is. The dysfunction is in how it is interpreted.
The problem is that the US constitution, by not being updated, turned into an easy target for those that want to circumvent it.

For example, The Seeker wrote:
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Woodrow Wilson sold out the entire country when he signed the acts that created the IRS and the Federal Reserve

That was only possible because the constitution didn't have any provisions that could stop the president from doing that, like in all other situations when presidents or the congress did things that should be unconstitutional but are not because they were considered at the time.

In such a lawyer-controlled country like the US all official texts should be made lawyer-proof, if they are not they are likely to be abused.

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Re: Example Of Mass Media Deception
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2017, 01:50:12 PM »
That is true, it could use a revision or two; but the way to do that is by amendments, keeping the original document intact but adding the provisions needed to update and protect it, and us...
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Re: Example Of Mass Media Deception
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2017, 02:02:36 PM »
The problem is that the US constitution, by not being updated, turned into an easy target for those that want to circumvent it.

For example, The Seeker wrote:
That was only possible because the constitution didn't have any provisions that could stop the president from doing that, like in all other situations when presidents or the congress did things that should be unconstitutional but are not because they were considered at the time.

In such a lawyer-controlled country like the US all official texts should be made lawyer-proof, if they are not they are likely to be abused.

ArMaP, have you read the Constitution? It's a necessarily broad document, and timeless.

It is not being objectively interpreted, rather, politically interpreted, which was never the intent of the Founders.

There is now so much bad case law that the Constitution is practically unrecognizable in higher court decisions.
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Re: Example Of Mass Media Deception
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2017, 02:30:13 PM »
Of course, the constitution was written for rich white land owners, and, as it is a top-down system, will promote psychopaths who are drawn to that power over Others.  And long ago even that poor piece was vacated and a corporation took over (1871), and the 1913 Fed, etc. just sealed the deal.  Personally, I would rather eliminate the power of the psychopaths on top and solve problems Ethically as they arise, rather than passing "laws" (acts, statutes, bills, codes, edicts, declarations, regulations, mandates, constitutions, rules, etc.) and enFORCING them on Others.

It is deeply indoctrinated in Americans that the constitution is the be-all and end-all of ways We could do things here.  And Many, though They cannot say WHY They are upset, take umbrage when I point out the issues with such a system - especially with money side by side, allowing the bribing, setting up for blackmail, threatening, ruining and killing of politicians who do not do as the money controllers on Our planet want Them to do.

Patriotism is the antithesis of critical thinking, blindly believing, rather than fully grasping what such systems WILL create:  psychopaths in control.
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Re: Example Of Mass Media Deception
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2017, 02:43:14 PM »
Of course, the constitution was written for rich white land owners, and, as it is a top-down system, will promote psychopaths who are drawn to that power over Others.  And long ago even that poor piece was vacated and a corporation took over (1871), and the 1913 Fed, etc. just sealed the deal.  Personally, I would rather eliminate the power of the psychopaths on top and solve problems Ethically as they arise, rather than passing "laws" (acts, statutes, bills, codes, edicts, declarations, regulations, mandates, constitutions, rules, etc.) and enFORCING them on Others.

It is deeply indoctrinated in Americans that the constitution is the be-all and end-all of ways We could do things here.  And Many, though They cannot say WHY They are upset, take umbrage when I point out the issues with such a system - especially with money side by side, allowing the bribing, setting up for blackmail, threatening, ruining and killing of politicians who do not do as the money controllers on Our planet want Them to do.

Patriotism is the antithesis of critical thinking, blindly believing, rather than fully grasping what such systems WILL create:  psychopaths in control.

I'm not surprised you are physically ill. Your negativity is absolutely poisonous.
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Re: Example Of Mass Media Deception
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2017, 03:54:43 PM »
ArMaP, have you read the Constitution?
Yes.

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It's a necessarily broad document, and timeless.
I know it's a broad document, all constitutions need to be broad, as they are the framework for how a country should work from an administrative point of view, but the problem is that although the basis in which the US constitution was created and the creators' intentions are timeless, the world has changed since it was written, and situations that weren't considered at the time.

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It is not being objectively interpreted, rather, politically interpreted, which was never the intent of the Founders.
Exactly, and that's a result of the way it was written. If it was written more like a legal document (with some definitions, for example) it would be harder for people to "bend" it to their own intentions.

 


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