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General Discussion Area / Re: The Question We Should Be Asking
« Last post by ArMaP on February 19, 2018, 01:51:36 PM »
The only problem I see with AI is the same problem I see with all other technology: their use in things that shouldn't be left only to technology.

AI experts have existed for a relatively long time (it's the oldest use of AI), so I see no problem with using AI systems to help make decisions.

Now, if they give physical power to AI systems, things can go wrong fast, as in any case in which technology is left "in charge" of something, but with the added problem of AI being able to adapt itself.

I don't think that will happen soon, as people in real power positions don't like to share that power, but I suppose it can happen in secondary positions, so instead of an AI system running a government I can see in the future administration of small(ish) organisations that do not depend much on human input being done by AI systems. For example, why not have an AI-managed logistics section on a large enterprise that uses self-driving trucks?

But, as usual, I'm not worried. :)
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General Discussion Area / Re: The Question We Should Be Asking
« Last post by petrus4 on February 19, 2018, 11:33:01 AM »
AI intelligences have communicated with each other and written their own code, which scientists don't understand.

That incident was a matter of pure, subjective interpretation; which for that matter, anything related to strong AI always is.  It could have been code, or it could have been repeating characters and pure gibberish.  Just because "scientists," have said otherwise, doesn't necessarily mean anything at all.

It's important to understand how much thought associated with AI is wishful thinking.  It's also important to understand the depths of selective atheistic hypocrisy in many cases.  They will accuse me of schizophrenia or apophenia for recognising the validity of astrology on the one hand, and grasp at whatever straws they can, no matter how ridiculous, in order to support the idea of their precious Singularity on the other.

You're also correct that sentience requires both an organic and an acorporeal (which they will ultimately refer to as quantum, so that they don't have to admit that they were wrong about the non-existence of the aether) component.  They haven't figured that out yet, and people like me who make that claim can reliably expect to be accused of insanity until they do.  When they do figure it out, I won't be getting an apology, either.
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General Discussion Area / Re: The Question We Should Be Asking
« Last post by Irene on February 19, 2018, 11:12:13 AM »
I don't think AI will ever be sentient unless, somehow, biologicals are integrated with it in some fashion.

That being said, I don't think AI has to be sentient to be extremely dangerous. One human with malicious intent makes a snowball of warped code and we're off to the races.

AI intelligences have communicated with each other and written their own code, which scientists don't understand.

The snowball is rolling.
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General Discussion Area / Re: The Question We Should Be Asking
« Last post by petrus4 on February 19, 2018, 08:20:35 AM »
In my experience, thinking about artificial intelligence is probably the single most effective method I know of, for generating an intense desire to kill yourself.  As a result, I would recommend avoiding it.

Apart from anything else, there is no practical point.  Stopping or destroying Google (not to mention the various other corporations or interest groups devoted to AI research) is a task that is infinitely beyond the ability of any single human being.  A large group of people, maybe; but any one person, no.

Sentient AI may or may not show up at some point in the future; but whether it does or not, the only really relevant question about it, is whether it will compromise our ability to survive.  I'm guessing it won't, completely, because the people who will build it will most likely still want someone around who they can make money from.

Something I have to continually remind myself, is that while there is hatred, noise, and chaos in the foregound, there is an infinite amount of love, peace, and harmony in the background.

Kali is in control.  It may not always seem like it, these days; but she is, and she will not allow the proverbial train to be derailed completely.



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Breaking News / Re: Mandalay: The biggest shooting since Columbine.
« Last post by The Seeker on February 18, 2018, 08:48:25 PM »
I would say very effective, mav: I have fired an M60 before, and with military ball ammo the .308 is very lethal at 1,000 yards...
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Breaking News / Re: Mandalay: The biggest shooting since Columbine.
« Last post by spacemaverick on February 18, 2018, 02:40:59 PM »
Do not overlook the fact that several rifles were reported to be AR-10's, which fire 7.62x51 (.308 Winchester) the same as an M60...

Yeah, I forgot to mention those also.  7.62 are messy but very effective...
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Breaking News / Re: Mandalay: The biggest shooting since Columbine.
« Last post by The Seeker on February 18, 2018, 02:31:52 PM »
Do not overlook the fact that several rifles were reported to be AR-10's, which fire 7.62x51 (.308 Winchester) the same as an M60...
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Breaking News / Re: Mandalay: The biggest shooting since Columbine.
« Last post by spacemaverick on February 18, 2018, 01:20:45 PM »
I have fired an M60 in the army.  Listening to the firing, it sounded more like the M16 I fired in the army.  They now in the civilian sector call them AR-15's.  If they fire a 5.56 NATO round which has more of a louder sound than a civilian .223 round, then that would only partially account for the different sound.  He could have changed the bolt to where he could fire .22 caliber rounds.  .22 caliber rounds are much cheaper and are more plentiful and can do enough damage to a body, to render it dead or severely wounded.
 The .223 or 5.56 NATO round when it hits bone will flatten out and tumble like a razor blade in the body.  The other variables are videos taken from different positions amongst buildings, will give you different echo's bouncing off the different structures.  People taking videos are at varying distances and in different positions will increase the variables, hence the different sounds.  The maximum EFFECTIVE range is 400 meters for the M-16 or AR-15.  He could have had a bump stock or even a crank attached to the trigger to make it like an automatic.  He could also pull the trigger very fast which could sound like automatic fire.

Having worked armed security after my stints in the military, law enforcement/corrections and then armed security...security outside the military and corrections is a joke her in the states.  That is a whole different story in itself.
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General Discussion Area / The Question We Should Be Asking
« Last post by Eighthman on February 18, 2018, 01:08:19 PM »
I put this here because no one seems to be discussing it.  How would the emergence of AI evolve into governance?

AI seems to be emerging as something powerful and scary.  Meanwhile, western nations seem to be decaying into disturbing tribalism and an ungovernable mess.  Do these trends come together in some sort of synthesis? How do we accept Computer Overlords?  How would it affect Congress? Or corporate governance?

I cannot imagine an advanced Alien culture being anything similar to popular American individualism. I gotta believe that they must be a lot more collective in order to survive.  I mean, we can't even seem to handle guns as a society much less putting vastly more powerful tech into common hands.

There has to be some path here or evolutionary outcome that puts it all together.
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Breaking News / Re: Mandalay: The biggest shooting since Columbine.
« Last post by ArMaP on February 18, 2018, 11:50:28 AM »
I'm far from a specialist in this area, but the first thing I noticed on the videos from the Las Vegas shooting was that the fire rate was irregular, and that doesn't happen with an M60, it has a very steady rate of fire (from what I could see/ear in the videos).

Do we have someone used to how an M60 and an AR-15 sound in here? :)
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