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The Living Moon => The Living Moon Conspiracy Talk => Topic started by: Norval on August 26, 2014, 10:55:33 PM

Title: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on August 26, 2014, 10:55:33 PM
Crater Chains

Back in 2002, at another forum,  a friend and fellow researcher (Gale Smart) posted this image with the following question.

"What are the mathematical odds of that?"

(http://www.earthsbanner.com/pics/ganychain_gal.jpg)

The image is about 120 miles wide.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Amaterasu on August 26, 2014, 11:15:01 PM
I agree.  The probability that that would lay out like that seems VERY improbable - astronomically unlikely.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Lunica on August 26, 2014, 11:38:44 PM
Never seen it, its very weird yes.
Of course it could be the result of a multiple impact. But I guess you would have seen also impacts around it with the same intensity.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: zorgon on August 27, 2014, 05:45:15 AM
Crater Chains

Back in 2002, at another forum,  a friend and fellow researcher (Gale Smart) posted this image with the following question.

Norval gets the HERO COOKIE for starting a new research topic  ( ebven if I did nudge him some time ago) One that I was interested in way back at Open Minds and his own forum. I have LOTS of pictures of such chains as I am sure Norval does as well


(http://www.mhhe.com/physsci/astronomy/fix/student/images/15f26.jpg)

Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: zorgon on August 27, 2014, 05:46:44 AM
X Marks the Spot?


(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PfMyIGmYx8M/TcRDuEXyuII/AAAAAAAAKPM/NfBdcBGDu_M/s1600/wow.jpg)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: The Seeker on August 27, 2014, 07:45:15 AM
Very interesting, Norval...
does make one wonder...
perhaps a meteor coming in at an angle and bouncing?


seeker
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: burntheships on August 27, 2014, 08:11:41 AM
Norval, thanks for the topic!

A few more pictures here and information on several crater chains:

http://history.nasa.gov/SP-362/ch5.3.htm

(http://history.nasa.gov/SP-362/p133.jpg)

(http://history.nasa.gov/SP-362/hrp136.jpg)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Senduko on August 27, 2014, 08:52:45 AM
I'm more interested in this picture, those "stripes" look like dragmarks, but that one picture Burntheships shows something else :
(http://i.imgur.com/fn3LIe6.jpg)

Sorry for the dodgy photoshop lol.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on August 27, 2014, 09:33:22 AM
I'm more interested in this picture, those "stripes" look like dragmarks, but that one picture Burntheships shows something else :
(http://i.imgur.com/fn3LIe6.jpg)

Sorry for the dodgy photoshop lol.



Hate to disappoint you guys but the object in the photo is the antenae sticking out of the space craft.

Theres another thread on here that discusses this at length. Probably under Farside Buildings....can't remember exactly where..

Rock
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Pimander on August 27, 2014, 10:03:08 AM
I think when a high velocity object (comet/metoer) breaks up before impact it is likely to create a line of craters.  I have seen some lines that look unlikely to have been created in that way that I can't explain though.

I'm not sure whether the one Norval has shown is a broken up meteor or not.

I've seen ones that look like collapsed tunnels of some kind too.  Perhaps the were created by lava flows being exposed then eroded but it could also be archaeological remains of a lost civilisation (there used to be some on the peggy website somewhere I think).  If they were evidence of past sentient activity then there has to be corroborating evidence.  A civilisation advanced enough to build tunnels that big will have left a lot more than a collapsed tunnel.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on August 27, 2014, 12:21:58 PM
Very interesting, Norval...
does make one wonder...
perhaps a meteor coming in at an angle and bouncing?
I don't think that could be the result of bouncing, as a bouncing object would make smaller and smaller jumps from one impact to the next, not almost evenly spaced like in the photos.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on August 27, 2014, 11:46:49 PM
Amaterasu
You are absolutely correct.

Lunica
It gets even weirder, and good guess.

A51Watcher
Yes, perhaps, but what would be the "conspiracy" in that, as I did post this under the "conspiracy" section. Try tossing a dozen pebbles or marbles until you get such an alignment. The video you posted clearly shows why this was probably NOT a broken up object making these 13 craters in such a perfectly straight line. Thank you.

Zorgon offers two images of crater chains. The first is of the Davy Y curved chain
on our moon that can be seen by earth based telescopes since about the 1920's. The
second image, if memory serves me correctly, is from the planet Mercury.

Seeker
ArMaP gives a good explanation as to why it was not caused by something bouncing along. It caused me to more than "wonder", to say the least.

BTS
Offers another image of Davy Y curved chain and one from the far side of our moon. Sgt.Rocknroll explains about the antennae. Thank you.

Pimander
Yes, quite unlikely to have been created by any hunk of space rock breaking up and landing in such a precise fashion. True, there are "pit chains", collapse pit chains, from volcanoes, underground rivers, and so on. Yet this one shows other traits that help to explain what may have caused it.

Both the first image I posted and this one are from Ganeymede, Jupiter's largest moon by the Galileo spacecraft in 1997. (Remember this date as it is important later.) The first image of the 13 strikes was taken by Voyager back in 1979 and I will post that pic later. It was of such interest that they wanted better images of it and other "interesting" things.

This image shows a crater chain that has about 50 strikes in a straight line.
It is stated that the half circle is about 32 kilometers across.

(http://www.earthsbanner.com/pics/ganycirc_gal_big.jpg)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Pimander on August 28, 2014, 05:05:31 AM
Here are some impacts that might be relevant to Norval's work.

At 3 minutes in this set of impacts (below) there are rings to be seen outside the actual impact.  There are also lines radiating out.  I suggest looking at where lines intersect.  They might suggest the site of a very large impact in some cases - as would finding the point at the center based on the idea that the ring is a radius.
[youtube]QfDoQwIAaXg[/youtube]

Here is an obviously suggestive idea (below).  Giant laser blasters in orbit.  :o
[youtube]F69rMIMhZ9A[/youtube]

The above might not explain all of the crater chains for sure.  Is it possible to eliminate this cause when analysing each example though?
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Pimander on August 28, 2014, 05:32:52 AM
Further factors to eliminate before we can label a feature as an anomoly.

(http://www.chiemgau-impact.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/ejecta1.jpg)
SOURCE: http://www.chiemgau-impact.com/2012/05/making-impacts-experimental-hypervelocity-crater-generation-and-the-formation-of-the-lake-tuttensee-crater/

(http://www.impact-structures.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/projektil-und-krater-1024x685.jpg)SOURCE: http://www.impact-structures.com/understanding-the-impact-cratering-process-a-simple-approach/

In both of the above examples the ring is a distance from the impact.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Sinny on August 28, 2014, 09:45:12 AM
I think these 'crater chains' are going to be related to the 'rock that rolled up hill' and left a trail on the moon.

I have limited capabilities on this device, sorry I cannot be more specific - it does have a name, and it is on the Living Moon.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Amaterasu on August 28, 2014, 10:45:33 AM
If there was a large weapon fired at these surfaces I might expect these results with the right kind of projectiles.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on August 28, 2014, 12:57:57 PM
I think these 'crater chains' are going to be related to the 'rock that rolled up hill' and left a trail on the moon.
I know what you're talking about, it was one of the things I discussed with zorgon on ATS, but I don't see it can be related to a rolling rock, even a large one and even if it rolled up hill, which I doubt. :)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on August 28, 2014, 12:58:18 PM
If there was a large weapon fired at these surfaces I might expect these results with the right kind of projectiles.
Projectiles of different sizes?
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Sinny on August 28, 2014, 01:26:53 PM
I know what you're talking about, it was one of the things I discussed with zorgon on ATS, but I don't see it can be related to a rolling rock, even a large one and even if it rolled up hill, which I doubt. :)

Well my point is, it is obviously is not a rock..
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on August 28, 2014, 01:35:26 PM
Well my point is, it is obviously is not a rock..
OK, now I understand your point of view, although I do not agree with it. :)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on August 28, 2014, 01:37:05 PM
As I stated, we have been able to see a few crater chains on our moon from earth based telescopes since about the 1920's. What do you think "military types" thought of when they saw these in line craters?

One of the Lunar lander missions had the astronauts drive over to one of these crater chains for a close up view and take samples.

Voyager spacecraft photographed several crater chains on various moons of our solar system as they went by back in the late 1970's. Later more sophisticated robot spacecraft were sent out to get better and more images of them.

Crater chains are some of the newest and latest features in these images as they are on top of other craters and surfaces. These chains of inline craters vary in size from a few meters across to 50 kilometers across. Try to count the number of crater chains on Phobos, a moon of Mars. The longest one found so far is on Mars and runs from the big crack all the way to the north pole.

Just some food for thought.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on August 28, 2014, 01:45:47 PM
One of the Lunar lander missions had the astronauts drive over to one of these crater chains for a close up view and take samples.
Which one? ???
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on August 28, 2014, 01:50:57 PM
I have limited capabilities on this device, sorry I cannot be more specific - it does have a name, and it is on the Living Moon.
That rolling rock it's in Vitello crater, this (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Moon_Images_A06.html) is probably the page you were talking about. :)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: spacemaverick on August 28, 2014, 02:26:30 PM
It appears to leave a pretty long shadow.  Either a huge boulder or sun is low on lunar horizon.  Looked at the information provided on the living moon link provided and there seems to be speculation around what it truly might be.  Some say mining equipment, some say probe and various other ideas.  Question?  Has it remained in the same spot where it stopped or has it changed spots from where it stopped.  Interesting indeed.

Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Amaterasu on August 28, 2014, 04:48:34 PM
Projectiles of different sizes?

Possibly, if they were energy projectiles.  Starts weaker, moves to full, then backs down at the end.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: COSMO on August 28, 2014, 05:14:18 PM
If there was a large weapon fired at these surfaces I might expect these results with the right kind of projectiles.

Maybe one of these? 

(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090319165201/starwars/images/f/ff/X-wing_SWGTCG.jpg)

Now this would have been a large weapon...

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-n3fFj3SlJnE/TYXqxppbgYI/AAAAAAAAJyo/cyHvodviG98/s640/richat+structure+7.jpg)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richat_Structure

Some think this was a weapon strike...

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/VallesMarinerisHuge.jpg/800px-VallesMarinerisHuge.jpg)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valles_Marineris

The richat structure was the first shot, causing horrible damage to our world, but we hit them with an artifically created zpe energy bolt that obliterated their atmosphere.  An uneasy truce has existed since, with that technology designated as "off limits". 

These are the ancient wars that Joseph P. Farrell and Richard Hoagland talk about and were written about in the Vedic literature. 

Or it's my over active imagination talking to me again!  lol

Cosmo
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on August 28, 2014, 09:05:13 PM
ArMaP
Check out the old routes of the lunar buggy trips and it will show up, , if memory serves me, it was the Albufeda (sp) crater chain.

Amaterasu
Interesting idea there.

Cosmo
Your imagination serves you well, as it did Hoagland and Phobos which got him in deep dodo on CtoC when he stated that those crater chains looked like weapons fire.

A51Watcher
GRAVITY is what broke up SL9,  GRAVITY is what caused them to hit Jupiter. GRAVITY is what causes them to separate farther apart as they travel.  And as for "conspiracy", I haven't even gotten into that aspect as yet, I have just been stating what scientists have stated.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: A51Watcher on August 29, 2014, 08:52:48 AM
Perhaps a Shoemaker Levy 9 like comet event?


[youtube]KMiUrzILdEo[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMiUrzILdEo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMiUrzILdEo)



Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: A51Watcher on August 29, 2014, 08:53:48 AM


A51Watcher
Yes, perhaps, but what would be the "conspiracy" in that, as I did post this under the "conspiracy" section. Try tossing a dozen pebbles or marbles until you get such an alignment. The video you posted clearly shows why this was probably NOT a broken up object making these 13 craters in such a perfectly straight line. Thank you.



Tossing pebbles in gravity would not simulate rocks in motion in a non gravity environment.

My impression is they would maintain that close proximity until crashing into the planet.


I do not see how the video I posted changes that.

Sorry if my attempt at a contribution to your thread does not fit in the category of conspiracy.

It will not happen again.



 
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on August 29, 2014, 04:42:35 PM
Check out the old routes of the lunar buggy trips and it will show up, , if memory serves me, it was the Albufeda (sp) crater chain.
Abulfeda is more than 100 miles away from the Apollo 16 landing site, the crater chains closest to Apollo sites are Briggite (some 50 miles away) and Littrow (more than 40 miles away), both relatively near the Apollo 17 site.

I used this list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lunar_features#Catena) of crater chains.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on August 30, 2014, 08:27:42 AM
Thanky ArMaP
Guess it wasn't the one I mentioned then. This research is over a decade old and I used the lunar maps that show where the cars drove to on the moon, try those maps? That list is not complete by the way, as there are some 27 listed crater chains on our moon alone.

The video that A51Watcher posted is perfect for showing that it was probably not an asteroid breaking up and making this crater chain.

(http://www.earthsbanner.com/pics/ganychain_gal.jpg)


In the video at about 5 min. it shows that the impacts were many hundreds and thousands of miles apart. Scientists state that these craters were formed almost at the same time, or in very rapid succession.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: zorgon on August 30, 2014, 01:45:16 PM
Okay down to business....

Have a look at these craters...

(http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/images/040702craters.jpg)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on August 30, 2014, 01:59:04 PM
Guess it wasn't the one I mentioned then. This research is over a decade old and I used the lunar maps that show where the cars drove to on the moon, try those maps?
I could only find a LRV traverse map for Apollo 15. :(

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In the video at about 5 min. it shows that the impacts were many hundreds and thousands of miles apart. Scientists state that these craters were formed almost at the same time, or in very rapid succession.
I suppose that would depend on the distance of the breaking up, but I didn't watch the video, yet. :)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Lunica on August 30, 2014, 02:45:36 PM
And what about this crater... ?! (ok ok, its on mars) but this crater is not empty  ;D  8)

(http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z333/Lunica-Pegasus/Structures/R1104144-5.jpg) (http://s1184.photobucket.com/user/Lunica-Pegasus/media/Structures/R1104144-5.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: zorgon on August 30, 2014, 02:52:35 PM
THAT CRATER LUNICA....

Yes perfect choice LOL

But hold that thought to give the others a chance to look at my craters

Here is one on Mercury... with a crater chain  ::)

(http://www.holoscience.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/Crater-chains-595x600.jpg)




Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: zorgon on August 30, 2014, 02:55:27 PM
And a small one in Malta

(http://www.geulogy.com/images/craters/feast-Bahrija-St-Martin-of-Tours-crater.jpg)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Lunica on August 30, 2014, 03:27:47 PM
 8) 8) 8)

i was busy typing a bigger post, but then I just found out there are really a LOT of those chains. So posting all the pictures would cost me a long time. Google helps a lot

@Norval
Of course this site popped up.  ;) http://www.craterchains.com/ (http://www.craterchains.com/)

But, the use of some sort of "weapon" seems legit? The longer I look at those chains, it could be that. Not all, but alot.

The one from Zorgon, where we get to business..., was a practice shooting target , and they missed :P

Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Lunica on August 30, 2014, 03:33:23 PM
This one from: http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/sl9/image334.html (http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/sl9/image334.html)
(http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/sl9/gif/ganymede.gif)

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CRATER CHAINS ON GANYMEDE

Two of three anomalous crater chains on Ganymede are shown here. The chain on the left is 60 km long, and is believed to have formed when a comet split by Jupiter into6 fragments hit Ganymede. The chain on the right is 160 km long and also formed when a split comet hit Ganymede. The sizes of these craters and the morphologies of these crater chains are being studied to determine the properties of cometary nuclei, and the nature of the comet splitting process.

LOL?
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: zorgon on August 30, 2014, 03:51:44 PM
Okay down to business....
Have a look at these craters...

(http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/images/040702craters.jpg)

Craters in the laboratory

Quote
In laboratory experiments using electric arcs, plasma physicist C. J. Ransom produced the craters in the above photo. This cratered surface duplicates many characteristics of planetary geology. The craters tend to clump according to size, and to fall in lines and arcs. Notice also that the ground appears burnt or discolored where the discharge was strongest and the craters the densest -- not unlike the surface of Mars and other rocky bodies in the solar system. The centers of some of the craters have bumps, as do many enigmatic craters on the Moon, Mars, and other surfaces. Also of interest are the dark streaks from two larger craters close to the center of the picture, a pattern similar to the "wind"-streaked craters found on Mars.

The Craters Are Electric
12/07/2007 
By Michael Goodspeed
http://www.thunderbolts.info/webnews/120707electriccraters.htm
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on August 30, 2014, 03:53:21 PM
How about these?

(http://www.craterchains.com/ns/marscc1.jpg)

In the above photo you can clearly see many of the CS (Concise Systematic) type crater chains with the characteristics we think show obvious intelligence as to cause. Of note are the three and possibly four time frames of occurrence. The predominant CS chain near the center running lower left to upper right appears to be the cleanest and so is probably the newest. Notice the CS chains just above and left of the dominant one. Now they appear to have been covered by dust debris, or possibly silt flow, and that gives us three time frames. Chains, material deposit, then another chain.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: zorgon on August 30, 2014, 03:54:40 PM
And a small one in Malta

(http://www.geulogy.com/images/craters/feast-Bahrija-St-Martin-of-Tours-crater.jpg)

They similar to plasma arc pitting that we see and use for welding and cutting...  these mini craters are also normally found grouped together in a smallish area, as if there has been spluttering in that area or it is the discharge location. some of the larger craters are found in groups in a curving line of 3 or more.

Lightning strikes
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: zorgon on August 30, 2014, 03:58:06 PM
Lightning Strike on golf course flag

(http://www.holoscience.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2001/10/lightning_rays-300x195.jpg)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: zorgon on August 30, 2014, 04:05:11 PM
War of the Worlds Weapons still in use in the ongoing Secret Space War?

or just Space Plasma Discharge?

You decide

This is one of 5 images (the other four have all been deleted from the web) that a photographer took the day Colombia came down in flames

You can see a bolt of plasma hit the ion trail of the Shuttle and follow it down to the craft

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Spaceships/Columbia_Bolt.jpg)

Article by Guy Cramer (partner of Dr Joe Resnick and owner of Hyperstealth Inc)

Wild Blue Yonder: San Francisco Photos indicate Shuttle Columbia was struck by Hyper-Lightning on Reentry
by Guy Cramer
http://www.superforce.com/shuttle/hyperlightning.htm

Columbia Taken Out by Lightning?
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/02files/Space_Lightning.html

Rebuttle:

No sign nature downed Columbia
Analysis of sounds kills theory that lightning hit space shuttle
Sabin Russell, Chronicle Staff Writer
Thursday, June 5, 2003
SOURCE: San Francisco Chronicle
Article has been removed at source  Copy here
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/02files/Space_Lightning.html
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: zorgon on August 30, 2014, 04:07:25 PM
And what about this crater... ?! (ok ok, its on mars) but this crater is not empty  ;D  8)

(http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z333/Lunica-Pegasus/Structures/R1104144-5.jpg) (http://s1184.photobucket.com/user/Lunica-Pegasus/media/Structures/R1104144-5.jpg.html)

More craters with centers

(http://www.thunderbolts.info/webnews/NewsPics/spherules-lab.jpg)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on August 30, 2014, 04:22:08 PM
So many images without a source, is this some kind of game? :(
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on August 30, 2014, 04:56:28 PM
So many images without a source, is this some kind of game? :(

Good question ArMaP, , , , , ask Zorgon, , ,

I aint sure what he is attempting to do, , ,
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on August 30, 2014, 05:16:20 PM
How about these?

(http://www.craterchains.com/ns/marscc1.jpg)

In the above photo you can clearly see many of the CS (Concise Systematic) type crater chains with the characteristics we think show obvious intelligence as to cause. Of note are the three and possibly four time frames of occurrence. The predominant CS chain near the center running lower left to upper right appears to be the cleanest and so is probably the newest. Notice the CS chains just above and left of the dominant one. Now they appear to have been covered by dust debris, or possibly silt flow, and that gives us three time frames. Chains, material deposit, then another chain.

Sorry, this image is from Mars, somewhere around Olympus Mons.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: zorgon on August 30, 2014, 05:56:11 PM
So many images without a source, is this some kind of game? :(

Source is irrelevant when just going for visual impression and comparison

The last one I posted is electric welding arc craters in sand

Y
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: zorgon on August 30, 2014, 05:59:55 PM
I aint sure what he is attempting to do, , ,

A simple visual comparison of craters that look like those on the Moon Mars and Mercury but are in fact on Earth  all traced to plasma discharge

The point being to show that all the craters out there are not simple impact but are either tremendous bolts of space lightning or left over scars of energy weapons from a war long ago

 8)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Amaterasu on August 30, 2014, 06:15:39 PM
While I agree with You that many features on the bodies are features of electrical events, I also believe the chains are too precise, evenly spaced, straight.  I still say some of the features We see in these crater chains are energy weapon use.  Many stories around the globe tell of wars in the skies...

Just sayin'.

(Edited for clarity)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on August 30, 2014, 06:52:38 PM
Why jump to the war idea so quickly?
Maybe ET was just tossing these asteroids down in such a precise fashion to get our attention? To say hello, yer not alone. They do far exceed S.E.T.I.'s mandate as a "signal". Maybe not in a radio band, but in a visual one they sure do.

Yes, there are many ancient documents that mention wars of the so called "gods". They mention weapons that are like lightening bolts. What else would people have back then to compare them to? Today we know about atomic weapons and energy beam weapons.

Why is it that some surfaces of moons show little or no signs of cratering, yet others are completely devastated? And, why do you think these are all ancient signs of war? Mars used to have straight lines on it and NO big crack before the 1920's. Do your research.  :)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: zorgon on August 30, 2014, 10:31:28 PM
Why jump to the war idea so quickly?

35 plus years of research is hardly jumping quickly  ::)

The crater chains are great evidence for either energy weapons of old or space plasma stikes

Our Books of Myth tell us of Ancient Wars using such weapons.  I have more LOL


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Maybe ET was just tossing these asteroids down in such a precise fashion to get our attention? To say hello, yer not alone. They do far exceed S.E.T.I.'s mandate as a "signal". Maybe not in a radio band, but in a visual one they sure do.

If that were true, why hit all the other moons and planets with such a barrage when there was no one around to witness it?

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Yes, there are many ancient documents that mention wars of the so called "gods". They mention weapons that are like lightening bolts. What else would people have back then to compare them to? Today we know about atomic weapons and energy beam weapons.

Yes Shiva Nova  comes to mind 

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Why is it that some surfaces of moons show little or no signs of cratering, yet others are completely devastated? And, why do you think these are all ancient signs of war? Mars used to have straight lines on it and NO big crack before the 1920's. Do your research.  :)

I actually have a very good explaination for that but you will have to wait
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Amaterasu on August 30, 2014, 11:12:14 PM
Why jump to the war idea so quickly?
Maybe ET was just tossing these asteroids down in such a precise fashion to get our attention? To say hello, yer not alone. They do far exceed S.E.T.I.'s mandate as a "signal". Maybe not in a radio band, but in a visual one they sure do.

Yes, there are many ancient documents that mention wars of the so called "gods". They mention weapons that are like lightening bolts. What else would people have back then to compare them to? Today we know about atomic weapons and energy beam weapons.

Why is it that some surfaces of moons show little or no signs of cratering, yet others are completely devastated? And, why do you think these are all ancient signs of war? Mars used to have straight lines on it and NO big crack before the 1920's. Do your research.  :)

I'm not jumping to it.  [smile]  I contemplate how well such a weapon would provide that result and giving fairly high probability that that was the cause.    Is that illogical?  Is it not something I might put out there and get Others' evaluation of the likelihood?  [smile]

Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Amaterasu on August 30, 2014, 11:30:56 PM
I actually have a very good explaination for that but you will have to wait

I await with bated breath!  [smile]

Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Lunica on August 31, 2014, 02:29:24 AM
More craters with centers

(http://www.thunderbolts.info/webnews/NewsPics/spherules-lab.jpg)

I like to know the scale of these craters. Do you have them?
Yes they have centers. But my crater with center has some extra features.

The ancient wars I have read of course a lot about. But not in detail since I thought it was a little of a stretch to prove. Not that I dont believe it.

BUT IT IS IN PLAIN SIGHT!  :o
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on August 31, 2014, 03:18:44 AM
Source is irrelevant when just going for visual impression and comparison
Well, source is relevant when you post photos of something unrelated to the real topic, crater chains.

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The last one I posted is electric welding arc craters in sand
I know, I remember those photos, and to me they look nothing like the craters on celestial bodies.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Pimander on August 31, 2014, 09:36:12 AM
(http://www.thunderbolts.info/webnews/NewsPics/spherules-lab.jpg)
These do not look like craters to me.  That is sand isn't it?  I could be wrong but it looks a lot like something created in a lab - probably to simulate a volcanic eruption.

I remember reading a book called "The Electric Universe" or something similar.  Actually it might have been this one.


The Electric Sky Perfect Paperback – November 30, 2006
by Donald E. Scott (Author)
 (http://www.amazon.com/The-Electric-Sky-Donald-Scott/dp/0977285111/ref=pd_sim_b_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=1BS6VSTEN5EN1XGX39T9)

SOURCE: http://www.amazon.com/Electric-Universe-Wallace-Thornhill-Talbott/dp/0977285138/ref=pd_sim_b_6?ie=UTF8&refRID=0BYQ81ZP0SYBD8G6AR4S

Here's a reader review from Amazon.

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Simply indispensable
By Mr. Louis Bloison 18 January 2008
Verified Purchase
Having studied astronomy and having followed the A to Z of it for decades, I must say that I have never encountered anything as original, sweeping, and compelling as the ideas presented in Thornhill and Talbott's "Electric Universe".

Mainstream astronomy offers a wealth of extravagant theories but with a paucity of observable evidence to back them up. "Electric Universe" points up these glaring absences and contradictions and presents a set of far more plausible plasma-oriented interpretations.

Thornhill and Talbott point to mainstream astronomy's naive assumption that space is electrically neutral everywhere. Plasma physics, as has been demonstrated in numerous laboratory experiments, offers a more viable explanatory model than the gravitation-based theories that have dominated 20th Century astronomy. The fact that the electric force is 39 orders of magnitudes stronger than the gravitational force is reason enough for it to be included, at least considered, as a significant influence in shaping the course of the universe. I am astonished that the electric force-based ideas as presented in this book are being systematically overlooked by mainstream astronomers, and even by popular trade magazines. You may well join me in asking, What has happened to science as an open dialogue and a selection of theories that best fits the evidence?

For decades astronomy has based most of its ideas on a single interpretation of the evidence: for example, the red shift being seen only as a distance marker; an abiding belief that the 3-degree background radiation represents an echo of the big bang; redoubtable propositions about dark matter and dark energy to support gravity-based explanations of galactic motion; and likewise that solar energy is produced at the center of the sun and transported to the surface by slow convection processes; and so forth. Is there room in this vast universe for alternative views? Thornhill and Talbott point to the disturbing evidence that cast doubt on these time-worn theories. For example, the statistical occurrence of quasars in the vicinity of nearby galactic clusters makes problematic the yardstick view of the red shift; the infamous solar neutrino deficiency should have long ago led to new modes of thought about solar energy production. The authors not only describe the many observed contradictions, they offer their own stunningly original theories based on an electrically active universe.

Rather than shunning their plasma-based theories, astronomers should welcome the appearance of a new set of plausible alternatives to their held-fast ideas. Science should be a dialogue of competing ideas. It should not be a religion with a single explanation of phenomena that is to be taken as orthodox fact. But that is what the science of astronomy has become, unfortunately. That's why I am so grateful for and so enthusiastic about this book, which I feel gives us an important glimpse into a new astronomy for the 21st Century. For its provocative challenges to standard astronomical thought and for offering a most engaging and plausible set of alternatives, "The Electric Universe" is simply indispensable.
http://www.amazon.com/Electric-Universe-Wallace-Thornhill-Talbott/product-reviews/0977285138/ref=cm_cr_dp_text?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=byRankDescending#R1YUIFNK00LJ17


If that is the book then the writer describes how many Craters are likely created by Electricity.  Of course they might have been plasma weapons but also possibly created by a highly charged early Solar system and Universe.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Pimander on August 31, 2014, 10:02:10 AM
Here is a lecture by Donald E Scott at Goddard, NASA.  It is amazing how little known his work is to be fair.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8tqgntbjyE&list=PL2FEAD0A895BB9935&index=4[/youtube]

I started a thread on his work here: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum1/index.php?topic=7256
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on August 31, 2014, 11:25:58 AM
Amaterasu
I agree, they sure look way to straight, precise, evenly spaced, to be "natural" events. And, I doubt that ET tossed rocks down to make them. War weapons are the most probable cause to me also.  :)

I also highly doubt that some electrical arc caused them.  :P

Here is another one, the inset image is about 8 miles across, making each of those craters in the chain about 5 miles big.

(http://www.earthsbanner.com/pics/PIA00581_modest.jpg)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on August 31, 2014, 11:30:29 AM
(http://www.earthsbanner.com/pics/PIA00581_modest.jpg)
It's interesting to see that, at the bottom of the main image, we can see several craters aligned, although not in a "chain".
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on August 31, 2014, 11:34:44 AM
It's interesting to see that, at the bottom of the main image, we can see several craters aligned, although not in a "chain".

Yes ArMaP, like the bomb drops of WW2.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Pimander on August 31, 2014, 11:49:36 AM
I also highly doubt that some electrical arc caused them.  :P
Well we know that a lot of craters were definitely caused by meteorites/meteors so obviously many are not caused by electricity.  However, it might explain some so I thought I'd put it out there as a potential explanation for some.  I also think that some are caused by a broken up projectile but I'm open minded about other explanations to be honest.

If you look at some of the Indian holy books (the Vedas?) then there are tales about a cosmic war.  It is a popular idea in conspiracy circles as I'm sure you know. Proving it has been the issue. :)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Back on August 31, 2014, 11:54:36 AM
OK

I have not studied this very deep but dont almost all old text and lore tell of a war?

I go with the war theory.

Bless
Back
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Amaterasu on August 31, 2014, 06:03:19 PM
What I suggest is on any given body with these marks is that We will find evidence of massive electrical events, solid matter random collision, vulcanism and other events, in varying degrees.  I suspect some of the massive electrical events may have been triggered by moving the planets about, even.  Seems Saturn was nearer the earth, as was Venus and Mars, if You credit the fact that analysis of the plasma event that would occur etched in petroglyphs around the planet match in form with when would be seen.  Seen some convincing comparisons of the Valis Marinaris (sp?) and electrical events in similar media.

Anyway, these crater chains...  I examine the probabilities that any rocky material would break up such that smaller pieces went to larger, then to smaller, all in a straight line...and can't place those probabilities above, just guessingishly here, 0.0000001.  Might add or subtract an order of magnitude or two there.

If these are evidence of weaponry, of war...  Then I would have to say the evidence fits.  We see a lot of this (relatively speaking), and surely not hugely more or less than is needed to be used as evidence of that very thing.

Just sayin'.

I give highest probabilities here for them being the evidence of that war eveyOne was talking about way back when.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on September 01, 2014, 01:27:48 AM
Seen some convincing comparisons of the Valis Marinaris (sp?) and electrical events in similar media.
It's "Valles Marineris". :)

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Anyway, these crater chains...  I examine the probabilities that any rocky material would break up such that smaller pieces went to larger, then to smaller, all in a straight line...and can't place those probabilities above, just guessingishly here, 0.0000001.  Might add or subtract an order of magnitude or two there.
What probabilities do you give to the use unknown hugely powerful weapons by unknown hypothetical beings?
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on September 01, 2014, 08:09:29 AM
This image posted by Lunica was looked at by weapons and bomb damage experts, this is what they had to say about it.

(http://www.earthsbanner.com/pics/ganymede.gif)

The chain on the left is 60 km long, Both from Ganymede. The chain on the right is 160 km long

The image on the left clearly shows that what got hit was sitting on the ground as it left an impression from the blasts, the "splash" pattern around it (the light material around the impact) shows that it was completely destroyed.

The one on the right is the same crater chain as the first image I posted and I was told that this splash pattern clearly shows that it was hit above ground as it left no impression. I agree with this assessment.

This concludes my presentation of Concise Systematic crater chains. It is but part of WHY I accept that there are UFO's, ET's and that there were wars in our solar system, long ago, and in recent times.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Lunica on September 01, 2014, 08:53:09 AM
I new there were wars in the past. From different sources.

Never new the evidence was in such plain sight. Doh

Now I have to look things up again...:) thanks 8)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Pimander on September 01, 2014, 09:34:39 AM
The one on the right is the same crater chain as the first image I posted and I was told that this splash pattern clearly shows that it was hit above ground as it left no impression. I agree with this assessment.
If, for the sake of argument, there was an object above the ground that got hit, is the only possible conclusion that it was a weapon that destroyed it?

Did the experts say what type of impact could cause that damage?  Could it be plasma or electricity or is it more likely a solid projectile?

I've seen freeze thaw damage a bit like that before on Earth I think which is not caused by a projectile.  The "splash field" is debris from a rock that has frozen then thawed repeatedly.  As the rock expands and contracts it breaks up.  I only studied Geology at "A Level" so I'm not qualified to say for sure but it might be that.


Just playing the advocate. (I'll take my cheque later Mr Beelzebub) :)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Amaterasu on September 01, 2014, 02:12:39 PM
It's "Valles Marineris". :)

Muchas gracias (is it the same in Portuguese as in Spanish?).

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What probabilities do you give to the use unknown hugely powerful weapons by unknown hypothetical beings?

Well, there's a lot of evidence that We do know who These Beings were/are.  Sumerians and others give strong clues.  Beth has a good store of that data.  There are OOPARTS galore.  There are these marks which very well could be the result of such.  Stories around the globe speak of a war in the heavens.  Hmmmm.... Let Me think....

Pretty good.  Guessinglyish, I'd give at least a 90% probability.  What are Your probabilities?
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on September 01, 2014, 03:50:22 PM
Muchas gracias (is it the same in Portuguese as in Spanish?).
No, in Portuguese we say "muito obrigado". :)

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Pretty good.  Guessinglyish, I'd give at least a 90% probability.  What are Your probabilities?
I don't have any way of knowing how to get an estimation of those probabilities, but between something that we have seen (big rocks hitting some planet's surface) and something that we don't even know if ever existed, I think that the known is more likely than the unknown. :)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Amaterasu on September 01, 2014, 06:14:34 PM
I don't have any way of knowing how to get an estimation of those probabilities, but between something that we have seen (big rocks hitting some planet's surface) and something that we don't even know if ever existed, I think that the known is more likely than the unknown. :)

ArMaP, are You saying that We need to throw out evidence in assessing probabilities? 
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on September 02, 2014, 12:51:09 AM
ArMaP, are You saying that We need to throw out evidence in assessing probabilities?
No, and I don't understand where did you get that idea, what I am saying is that I prefer physical evidences.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Amaterasu on September 02, 2014, 03:48:29 AM
No, and I don't understand where did you get that idea, what I am saying is that I prefer physical evidences.

So...  Ancient texts, crater chains that fit the scenario, engineering feats that defy the current image of "primitive" People, objects that also defy that image, are not physical evidence?
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on September 02, 2014, 06:01:07 AM
So...  Ancient texts, crater chains that fit the scenario, engineering feats that defy the current image of "primitive" People, objects that also defy that image, are not physical evidence?
Texts are only physical evidence that someone wrote them, they are not physical evidence of what they talk about.

Is your story about TAP physical evidence of the existence of TAP society?
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Amaterasu on September 02, 2014, 07:35:13 AM
ArMaP, do You really believe that We cannot learn what happened on this planet from the written record?  Really?  This war may have been described at times in terms that these People understood, but in many it is unambiguous that there was a war in the skies.  The "Gods were fighting."  Add to that that there is evidence that nicely fits in the scenario of a war in the form of these crater chains, and the probabilities of the two happening together are slim.  Add the OOPARTS, and even the abduction stuff, and a picture of that scenario emerges, wouldn't You say?

Why are ET seemingly not involved with Humans today?  Can We assume They are not?
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Pimander on September 02, 2014, 07:40:40 AM
Amy

I think what ArMaP is saying (correct me if I'm wrong ArMaP) is that some things in the written record might be true and others might be untrue.  The way to tell what is true and what is not from the written record is to look at the physical evidence.

Sorry to join in guys, I hope you don't mind.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on September 02, 2014, 07:44:33 AM
Texts are only physical evidence that someone wrote them, they are not physical evidence of what they talk about.

ArMaP
Are you even real then?  ;)

Pimander
Note that they didn't use the word "impact", they did however use the words "very large atomics" could make such craters with a very sophisticated guidance system.
When I asked them.

What caused them is not the issue. That they are so precise is.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Pimander on September 02, 2014, 08:00:28 AM
Are you even real then?  ;)
What is real?

We are all fragments of the shattered mirror which reflects the mind of God.  The manner in which the fragments perceive the light of God create the illusion of a multi dimensional hologram we call reality but the Buddhists call Maya.

Normal humans only perceive part of the hologram.  The hidden parts of the hologram cause effects to the perceived part leading to data that scientists believe to be errors or anomalous but are actually clues about the nature of the whole - the study of which gives occultists and para-scientists insights mocked by both laymen and most mainstream materialist scientists.  Recently physicists and molecular biologists - often working in secret alongside their normal research have begun to delve into this mysterious realm....

.... I'll leave it there.  :P


Or maybe it's just the acid.  8)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on September 02, 2014, 08:29:57 AM
FACTS
The governments dont want us to believe that there are UFO's.
Dont want us to accept that there are ET's.
And they damn well dont want us to think of weapons systems that can make these precise chains of craters.

July 13 1995: A String Of Pearls
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap950713.html

July 14 1995: Comet Impacts on Jupiter
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap950714.html

July 15 1995: The Crater Chain
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap950715.html

They waited 15 years to let the general public see these CS crater chains.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Pimander on September 02, 2014, 08:35:35 AM
FACTS
The governments dont want us to believe that there are UFO's.
Dont want us to accept that there are ET's.
And they damn well dont want us to think of weapons systems that can make these precise chains of craters.[/quote]
Some parts of the government have actively promoted the idea of UFOs and also ETs - in particular in the intelligence community.  Other parts deny the facts.  Others mislead about the facts.

I am certain beyond any doubt that parts of the modern UFO "myth" are invented and promoted by personnel within the US government.  Meme creation and using the UFO scene to promote confusing information are all standard practice.

That does not mean that UFOs do not exist but it is certainly something to bear in mind when evaluating UFO theories.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: burntheships on September 02, 2014, 08:43:47 AM
FACTS
The governments dont want us to believe that there are UFO's.
Dont want us to accept that there are ET's.
And they damn well dont want us to think of weapons systems that can make these precise chains of craters.

July 13 1995: A String Of Pearls
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap950713.html

July 14 1995: Comet Impacts on Jupiter
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap950714.html

July 15 1995: The Crater Chain
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap950715.html

They waited 15 years to let the general public see these CS crater chains.

Salient point there Norval.

Current knowledge about the moon is shrouded, which
lends weight to the idea there is a large conspiracy of silence
regarding its present day state.

 ;)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Amaterasu on September 02, 2014, 09:37:30 AM
Amy

I think what ArMaP is saying (correct me if I'm wrong ArMaP) is that some things in the written record might be true and others might be untrue.  The way to tell what is true and what is not from the written record is to look at the physical evidence.

Sorry to join in guys, I hope you don't mind.

Oh, I agree, Pim, but...  What are the odds that societies around the globe would virtually simultaneously come up with such closely matching reports being "myth," fabrication.  Like I said, most of the reports are very specific.  War.  Gods.  Sky.  The only thing that comfortably explains such a widespread concordance is that what They reported were is what They saw.  I'm not saying that this IS the scenarion, but that based on My assessment, is very probable.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Toltec on September 02, 2014, 12:37:35 PM
Buenos días, escribo desde Madrid, me apasiona este tema pero mi ingles es muy malo, uso traductor, he estado traduciendo todas su explicaciones y busco en la red fotos de Crater chaina, mi opinión es que sos sistemas de armas ya que es imposible ese tipo de cráteres por sentido común.
Por otra parte dudo mucho que no exista vida ahí fuera, el universo no se creo para el hombre y seria estúpido pensar que estamos solos por ahí.
Los gobiernos son los primeros interesados en que no sepamos nada y si estoy paranoicono significa que no me persigan.
encantado de leerles.
un cordial saludo desde España, madrid.

S r Norval su trabajo es excelente y la dirección también...
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on September 02, 2014, 01:24:05 PM
ArMaP, do You really believe that We cannot learn what happened on this planet from the written record?  Really?
Why do you keep on answering with questions that imply things I never said?
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on September 02, 2014, 01:25:14 PM
I think what ArMaP is saying (correct me if I'm wrong ArMaP) is that some things in the written record might be true and others might be untrue.  The way to tell what is true and what is not from the written record is to look at the physical evidence.
Yes, that's what I meant to say (and what I think I really wrote). :)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on September 02, 2014, 01:28:03 PM
ArMaP
Are you even real then?  ;)
At least I have what I think are physical evidences of that, but cannot really be sure if anyone posting on the Internet is real, some do look like invented characters in a comedy. :)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on September 02, 2014, 01:51:20 PM
Buenos días, escribo desde Madrid, me apasiona este tema pero mi ingles es muy malo, uso traductor, he estado traduciendo todas su explicaciones y busco en la red fotos de Crater chaina, mi opinión es que sos sistemas de armas ya que es imposible ese tipo de cráteres por sentido común.
Por otra parte dudo mucho que no exista vida ahí fuera, el universo no se creo para el hombre y seria estúpido pensar que estamos solos por ahí.
Los gobiernos son los primeros interesados en que no sepamos nada y si estoy paranoicono significa que no me persigan.
encantado de leerles.
un cordial saludo desde España, madrid.

S r Norval su trabajo es excelente y la dirección también...

Por favor, intenta escribir en inglés, esto es el único idioma que la mayoría de los miembros de este foro habla, y hasta las reglas dicen que mensajes en otros idiomas pueden ser eliminados.

De todos modos, Bienvenido.

PS: disculpas por mi español, soy portugués. :)


Translation of the above:

Good morning, I'm write from Madrid, I love this theme but my English is very bad, I use translator, I have been translating all of your explanations and seek on the net pictures of Crater chains, my opinion is that they were weapons systems since this type of craters is not possible in the usual way.
I also doubt very much that there is no life out there, the universe was not created for man and it would be stupid to think we're alone out there.
Governments are the first interested in that we do not know anything, and if I'm paranoid it doesn't mean that they are not following me.
Happy to read them.
a warm greeting from Spain, madrid.

S r Norval your work is excellent and the also the (something I don't really understand what he meant) ...

Please try to write in English, this is the only language that most members of this forum talk, and even the rules say that messages in other languages ??may be deleted.

Anyway, Welcome.

PS: sorry for my Spanish, I'm Portuguese. :)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Toltec on September 02, 2014, 03:23:21 PM
Many thanks mate, I'll try to translate what I posted
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Amaterasu on September 02, 2014, 04:39:06 PM
Why do you keep on answering with questions that imply things I never said?

Deductive reasoning leading Me to a question...?  ArMaP, why are some stories from the past acceptable as good solid "history" and others "myths?"  I deduce You must have a criterium or two as to which ancient texts You deem "history" and which "myth."  What measure do You use?
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on September 02, 2014, 05:40:34 PM
Deductive reasoning leading Me to a question...?
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by that, could you explain it better? Thanks in advance.

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ArMaP, why are some stories from the past acceptable as good solid "history" and others "myths?"  I deduce You must have a criterium or two as to which ancient texts You deem "history" and which "myth."
See, that's your problem, assuming things about my way of thinking. :)

I give a higher probability (without numbers, I don't create numbers out of thin air) of something being accurate if there are more texts supporting what that text say. Descriptions of witnesses are even better than second hand reports.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Amaterasu on September 02, 2014, 07:14:42 PM
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by that, could you explain it better? Thanks in advance.

I deduced that since some of the historical record is discounted by You, in the form of ancient texts, You must see that historical record (written texts) of no use.  So I asked the original question.  What is Your test for whether an ancient text is history or fairy tale?
 
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I give a higher probability (without numbers, I don't create numbers out of thin air) of something being accurate if there are more texts supporting what that text say. Descriptions of witnesses are even better than second hand reports.

So...  Texts from around the globe don't count as supporting text?  Can I take that from what You're saying here?

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So do You give credence to the eye witnesses around the globe that reported a war in the heavens?

Why wouldn't I?  Tribes and civilizations all around the globe spoke of it all at once.  All similar descriptions if not identical.  I have seen no other set of stories that impromptu showed up all over the planet sounding so similar or identical.  The only thing I can think of that would cause such a phenomenon is if what They described happened.

Is that bad logic?  And if so, why?
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on September 02, 2014, 08:22:11 PM
An ancient text even tells of the winners and losers of that latest war, , , ,

, ,  the winners are still up there^

, , , , , the losers got tossed down here, amongst us "monkey boys".  ;D
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Toltec on September 02, 2014, 09:52:02 PM
I recommend reading Joseph Campbell - The Power of Myth.
myths are real, speak of the past under a different syntax, does not make them lie. It's just another way of telling something just.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on September 03, 2014, 01:25:39 AM
I deduced that since some of the historical record is discounted by You, in the form of ancient texts, You must see that historical record (written texts) of no use.  So I asked the original question.  What is Your test for whether an ancient text is history or fairy tale?
There you go again, distorting what I say.

Can you point where did I say that I discount some of the historical records?

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So...  Texts from around the globe don't count as supporting text?  Can I take that from what You're saying here?
Seeing that you keep on using this tactic of implying that I said things I never said, for me, this conversation stops here.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Amaterasu on September 03, 2014, 10:40:19 AM
There you go again, distorting what I say.

Not distortion, deductions based on what You say.

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Can you point where did I say that I discount some of the historical records?
Seeing that you keep on using this tactic of implying that I said things I never said, for me, this conversation stops here.

You discount all the old stories of a war in the skies.  Suggest they are merely "myth" even though the phenomenon of reporting these wars was planetary (as One would expect them to be if the heavens lit up with war) and simultaneous.  This is not to be expected if someOne suddenly decided to be fanciful and make it up as a bedtime story.  In such a case, the story might spread to the surrounding area.  It may eventually make its way out to other areas, but would never hold the fascination such that scholars of the day, all around the planet, would suddenly choose to write the same basic bedtime story down.

I have asked many questions here, ArMaP.  Rather than answer any of them, You have honed in on one question dealing with My deductions and now are (I guess) stomping off in a huff.  Why is that, ArMaP? 

Let's get back to the questions about what You use to determine whether an ancient text is "history" or "myth."  What is it about a planetary reporting of a war in the skies, with virtually identical descriptions, that leads You to discount this as myth and not an historical record?
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on September 03, 2014, 12:40:21 PM
Rather than answer any of them, You have honed in on one question dealing with My deductions and now are (I guess) stomping off in a huff.  Why is that, ArMaP?
Because it looks like you are either ignoring my answers or purposely misinterpreting them to make my opinions look different from what they really are.

I like honesty, the way you keep on writing things as if I said them doesn't sound honest to me, that's why I said that, to me, this conversation is finished.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Amaterasu on September 03, 2014, 01:20:04 PM
Because it looks like you are either ignoring my answers or purposely misinterpreting them to make my opinions look different from what they really are.

I like honesty, the way you keep on writing things as if I said them doesn't sound honest to me, that's why I said that, to me, this conversation is finished.

Truly, I could say the same of You.  Again, You ignore the questions and only focus on the question surrounding My deductions.  Are You avoiding My question about what You use to determine what is "historical" and what is "myth?"
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Gary on September 03, 2014, 01:30:21 PM
Crater Chains

Back in 2002, at another forum,  a friend and fellow researcher (Gale Smart) posted this image with the following question.

"What are the mathematical odds of that?"

(http://www.earthsbanner.com/pics/ganychain_gal.jpg)

The image is about 120 miles wide.

 The Ganymede: Torn Comet - Crater Chain more than 126 miles long with an enormous blast at the end, or beginning..... Looks familiar! It reminds me of this!
(http://www.thebigwobble.org/2014/01/a-chain-of-events-to-send-shivers-down.html)  ;)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Gary on September 03, 2014, 01:37:30 PM
(http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0907/darkmercury_messenger_big.jpg) What can I say?
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: zorgon on September 03, 2014, 01:56:22 PM
An ancient text even tells of the winners and losers of that latest war, , , ,

, ,  the winners are still up there^

, , , , , the losers got tossed down here, amongst us "monkey boys".  ;D

But are the winners the GOOD ET or the BAD ET 

THAT is my question
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on September 03, 2014, 02:11:31 PM
Are You avoiding My question about what You use to determine what is "historical" and what is "myth?"
What part of "this conversation is finished" didn't you understand?
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Amaterasu on September 03, 2014, 02:22:49 PM
What part of "this conversation is finished" didn't you understand?

Guessing You are.  [smile]  Enjoy the day, ArMaP.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on September 03, 2014, 02:29:13 PM
Guessing You are.  [smile]
I am what?

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Enjoy the day, ArMaP.
Too late, you already spoiled it with your lack of honesty, something I will never forget.  :(
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Amaterasu on September 03, 2014, 03:38:01 PM
I am what?
Too late, you already spoiled it with your lack of honesty, something I will never forget.  :(

HUH?  Lack of honesty???  Glad We're done with this, cause that BS would be addressed, I tell You what.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Pimander on September 03, 2014, 03:47:24 PM
Tribes and civilizations all around the globe spoke of [a war in heaven] all at once.
Can we really prove they all spoke of the war at once?  I'm not sure we can pinpoint with any accuracy when to be fair.

I think the better way to prove that there was a war in heaven (if there was) is to find physical evidence that accurately matches the descriptions in myths.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Pimander on September 03, 2014, 03:51:58 PM
I recommend reading Joseph Campbell - The Power of Myth.
myths are real, speak of the past under a different syntax, does not make them lie. It's just another way of telling something just.
Joseph Campbell does not interpret myths as being records of physical historical events.  Joseph Campbell interprets myths based on Carl Jung's ideas about a human collective unconscious.  His interpretation is psychological not physical.

I agree he is worth a read though.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: zorgon on September 03, 2014, 04:11:41 PM
Can we really prove they all spoke of the war at once?  I'm not sure we can pinpoint with any accuracy when to be fair.

I think the better way to prove that there was a war in heaven (if there was) is to find physical evidence that accurately matches the descriptions in myths.

Not sure we can prove it really... perhaps if we got to one of the other planets in the solar system and found some records untouched by mankind with an agenda  maybe then..

"The Lost Scrolls of Barsoom"

That would be awesome... I mean Sci Fi writers have been talking about this war for a long time. Are they any less a source than the Old Myths?  I mean SciFi writers could be accessing the Akashic Records too

Take the story of GOR Counter Earth and the Priest Kings (Praying mantis type Aliens that are the behind the scenes overlords)  This story was written long before I ever heard of praying mantis aliens and the counter earth fits the old Tibetan stories I have

Yeah okay okay I need to do that thread  LOL

But consider this... what if there was another planet once upon a long time ago that was destroyed in that war? Can we then find physical evidence to support that claim?

And my one stickler in the Bible (well one on many :P ) is WHY did God require an ARMY of Angels to fight Lucifer and his army?

If he is omnipotent and had created Lucifer he could have just waves his hand and made him go POOF





Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Pimander on September 03, 2014, 04:54:45 PM
Don't start me off on the Babble.....

.... but you just made me think.  What if Joseph Campbell and Carl Jung's collective unconscious is the Akashic record (and not purely psychological)?  The Akashic Record may have a scientific basis as I have argued elsewhere on the site....

It's an amazing possibility.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on September 03, 2014, 05:31:49 PM
Holy Poop Fat Man, now this is getting entertaining ! ! !
But in the famous words of the late Robin Williams;
This place is running amuck, but how does one run mucks? (sort of) LOL

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Not sure we can prove it really... perhaps if we got to one of the other planets in the solar system and found some records untouched by mankind with an agenda  maybe then..

Nope, no PROOF here.

(http://www.earthsbanner.com/pics/craterchain1.gif)

, , , Or Here, , ,

(http://www.earthsbanner.com/pics/ganychain_gal.jpg)


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But are the winners the GOOD ET or the BAD ET 

THAT is my question

Well Zorgon, to put it a way you will understand;
One side wants you to enjoy life with your wife and daughter (family),
The other side wants to rape your wife and daughter and pillage the village.
You figure which side it is.  ;)

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And my one stickler in the Bible (well one on many :P ) is WHY did God require an ARMY of Angels to fight Lucifer and his army?

If he is omnipotent and had created Lucifer he could have just waves his hand and made him go POOF

Now there you should start by reading the book for yourself and not relying on other peoples imaginations, and yours, about just who and what these so called gods really are. , , , , that's just a suggestion, ,  ;)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Toltec on September 04, 2014, 12:41:26 AM
Joseph Campbell does not interpret myths as being records of physical historical events.  Joseph Campbell interprets myths based on Carl Jung's ideas about a human collective unconscious.  His interpretation is psychological not physical.

I agree he is worth a read though.


True, you're right, that's his vision but I think we should investigate more viewpoints from such craters and a broader vision of what is investigated.
because what is really a myth ?, is a story of something that happened and also addressed in other sciences a line of research, so we must do, The Jung C no spare.
When I see those pictures of craters chain my intuition tells me that they are made by something clever, I use intuition to more things and WORKS ... why not others ?.
Another thing: the universe is populated by intelligence, I prove ?, we ourselves are an example of this, if you do not understand that, we must think of a Catholic way romanica we're alone ... which from my point of view it is stupid.
a greeting
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on September 04, 2014, 07:58:32 AM
It is interesting to note that NASA / Military / governments kept these images of crater chains quiet for 15 years till after the Comet shoemaker/Levi 9 broke up and hit Jupiter, giving them a "plausible" (LOL) explanation for such chains of craters.

Then in 1995 the images appeared on the Astronomy picture of the day web site and in National Geographic mag.  ::)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Toltec on September 04, 2014, 11:42:00 AM
The chain craters are obvious, it is a certainty that result from someone smarter than maybe we can neither understand from our position as pretentious monkeys.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Toltec on September 05, 2014, 01:58:15 AM

I wonder if what you see in this picture are crater chains,
a greeting



http://aleksey-galan.blogspot.com.es/2010/11/mars-artifacts-crater-chain-lines.html
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on September 05, 2014, 06:14:34 PM
Yes, the longest CS crater chain ever found on Mars.

, , and then there is this one on Calisto, ,

(http://www.earthsbanner.com/pics/chain50.jpg)

 :)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Toltec on September 26, 2014, 04:37:38 AM
http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case486.htm
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: WarToad on September 26, 2014, 07:39:07 AM


, , , Or Here, , ,

(http://www.earthsbanner.com/pics/ganychain_gal.jpg)


That looks exactly like Shoemaker-Levy 9 would have looked like had it impacted a rock planet instead of Jupiter.  It was a loose packed comet and tidal forces of gravity tore it apart as it approached Jupiter and it endered up hitting in a dozen pieces in a row rather than one large hit.

(http://www.oasi.org.uk/Misc/SL9/Fragments_sm.gif)

(http://ircamera.as.arizona.edu/NatSci102/NatSci102/images/hst22jul.gif)

So crater chains make complete sense.  Some objects break up upon approach and end up machine gunning in a linear fashion.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Toltec on September 26, 2014, 09:39:33 AM
War Toad;  Sorry, but I doubt it, when missiles are fired more farther separated from the straight line, as there are many more parameters, the impact on Jupiter must separations? ...?? few miles ???, here spoken of nearby impacts, many, and linear straight line but not approximations, it is obvious that it is as impossible to align these impacts unless they have been very close to the projection.
The paradigm that we are alone nullifies the possibility of extending the knowledge of science MAIN stream ...
a greeting
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: WarToad on September 26, 2014, 10:49:07 AM
No, just a much smaller astroid and weaker gravity.  It broke up closer to the moon and had a tighter impact area, very tight alignment.  The pic from my prior post is still several hundred kilometers wide.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on September 26, 2014, 10:53:59 AM
  The pic from my prior post is still several hundred kilometers wide.

Incorrect, it is several THOUSAND miles wide.  ;D
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Toltec on September 26, 2014, 11:42:25 AM
I still think so perfect for craters chain, line and close to each other is necessary to project them (shoot them) very close distance, greater distance and more unstable very hardly will fall in a straight line and together, the impact of Jupiter has distanced the impacts thousands of miles (as you said Norval).
This is a matter of common (or no) sense.
Craters also have a "normal" for a shot by an intelligence "measure" because the chain craters are the result of something clever. These craters NO PAREHIDOLIAS.
a greeting
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Lunica on September 26, 2014, 12:23:29 PM
That looks exactly like Shoemaker-Levy 9 would have looked like .....


I am sorry, but I really dont see exaclty the same. The only resemblance I see is a line of impacts. But totally different in result.  ::)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: WarToad on September 26, 2014, 12:49:57 PM
You guys crack me up!   ;D  Or crater me up, as it were.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Pimander on September 26, 2014, 02:14:01 PM
Incorrect, it is several THOUSAND miles wide.  ;D
That has no bearing on whether the chains are caused by breaking up objects like meteorites/comets.

Cracking up.  That is the cause. :P
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Toltec on November 22, 2014, 01:08:57 PM
It seems that in craterchains is not so crazy ....

http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F20110507%2FNEWS%2F105070311
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Toltec on May 29, 2015, 10:51:38 AM
I just saw some last photos of Ceres, it is a picture cratercheins, but do not look good, I've seen in PS cs6 and curiously reversing the photo looks in depth and as it should be, the other is the negative .
I wonder: is it normal to have such big mistakes by NASA?(http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/pia19065-1041.jpg)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on May 29, 2015, 03:25:47 PM
I just saw some last photos of Ceres, it is a picture cratercheins, but do not look good, I've seen in PS cs6 and curiously reversing the photo looks in depth and as it should be, the other is the negative .
I wonder: is it normal to have such big mistakes by NASA?(http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/pia19065-1041.jpg)
What mistakes? ???
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: rdunk on May 29, 2015, 07:41:05 PM
What mistakes? ???

I assumed the mistakes that Toltec mentioned were related to the thought that this photo is  a negative of the actual photo, with craters showing as bumps instead craters with depth. I too think that is probably right! 
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Toltec on May 30, 2015, 01:07:56 AM

ArTmap:

And I wonder: how is it possible mistakes and put that photo on the official website ?, another thing: Photo of Dawn are digital or analog ?, I think digital, so the option "INVERT" CS6 is not necessary. ..Property is very strange.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on May 30, 2015, 08:39:34 AM
ArTmap:
No, ArMaP, no "T". :)

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And I wonder: how is it possible mistakes and put that photo on the official website ?
And I'm still asking, what mistakes? Could you please try to explain what you mean? I always like to know what I'm discussing, so I like to start with some definitions, so when you talk about mistakes I like to know what you are calling "mistakes.

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another thing: Photo of Dawn are digital or analog ?
Digital, obviously.

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I think digital, so the option "INVERT" CS6 is not necessary. ..Property is very strange.
Invert necessary for what? Everything looks OK in the photo.

PS: you can try to explain what you mean in your own language, if you have problems explaining it in English.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: zorgon on May 30, 2015, 12:35:33 PM
I assumed the mistakes that Toltec mentioned were related to the thought that this photo is  a negative of the actual photo, with craters showing as bumps instead craters with depth. I too think that is probably right!

Yes I agree that is what it sounds like

Reversing the image will effect the eyesight  Many people cannot see it and think a crater is a hill or visa versa.

For some reason when an image is reversed (Flipped not a negative) our brain can then see the correct crater or hill perspective

This is likely because everything we see is FLIPPED  we are seeing the world upside down

When we use a camera  the camera also does this so in effect it is a double flip

Reversing the image removes one flip  like THIS

How the Eye sees an image

(http://obsessive-coffee-disorder.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/eye1.jpg)

This is a basic pinhole camera  You can do this at home with a candle in a dark room and punch a hole in a piece of card board

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Pinhole-camera.svg/400px-Pinhole-camera.svg.png)

(http://cdn.cambridgeincolour.com/cms/wp-content/uploads/lenses_focal-length10.png)

So the Camera inverts the image onto the film... but the eye also inverts the image of the Photograph   So flipping the photo effectively eliminates one flip
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: zorgon on May 30, 2015, 12:37:09 PM
another thing: Photo of Dawn are digital or analog ?

Doesn't matter which because inverting is a LENS function not the type of camera or recording surface
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Toltec on May 30, 2015, 01:12:41 PM
No, ArMaP, no "T". :)
And I'm still asking, what mistakes? Could you please try to explain what you mean? I always like to know what I'm discussing, so I like to start with some definitions, so when you talk about mistakes I like to know what you are calling "mistakes.
Digital, obviously.
Invert necessary for what? Everything looks OK in the photo.

PS: you can try to explain what you mean in your own language, if you have problems explaining it in English.

Hola ArMaP, disculpa el no haber escrito bien tu nombre.
Lo que quiero decir es; no entiendo por que la NASA coloca fotos invertidas, se ven mal y no se entienden, a no ser que no quieran que la veas bien, si la foto es digital al revelarla no es necesario invertirla o pasar la a negativo….,la foto que ha colocado la NASA está al revés, pasala por CS6 y la veras bien, así se pueden apreciar los craterchain….era eso solamente
un cordial saludo.

Armap Hello, sorry for not having written your name right.
What I say is; I do not understand that NASA puts photos inverted, are wrong and do not understand, unless they do not want you to see, if the photo is digital the disclosure is not necessary to invest or spend the negative ....,the picture that NASA is placed upside down, put it in CS6 and really well so you can see the crater chain... that was it only
best regards.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: zorgon on May 30, 2015, 02:07:10 PM
NASA pictures of the Moon are taken from over head  so there really is no up or down in the images.

I rotate and reverse images all the time when analysing an image to get different perspective

The number of small crater strings is interest.  It may be the Planet is so small that the rocks bounce, like skipping a stone on water... though in that case each bounce gets shorter as the rock slows down

(https://learningmypathtowardsgod.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/skipping-stones.jpg)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on May 30, 2015, 02:30:38 PM
Hola ArMaP, disculpa el no haber escrito bien tu nombre.
Lo que quiero decir es; no entiendo por que la NASA coloca fotos invertidas, se ven mal y no se entienden, a no ser que no quieran que la veas bien, si la foto es digital al revelarla no es necesario invertirla o pasar la a negativo….,la foto que ha colocado la NASA está al revés, pasala por CS6 y la veras bien, así se pueden apreciar los craterchain….era eso solamente
un cordial saludo.

Armap Hello, sorry for not having written your name right.
What I say is; I do not understand that NASA puts photos inverted, are wrong and do not understand, unless they do not want you to see, if the photo is digital the disclosure is not necessary to invest or spend the negative ....,the picture that NASA is placed upside down, put it in CS6 and really well so you can see the crater chain... that was it only
best regards.
Thanks for the explanation (I understood better the Spanish version). :)

That photo doesn't look inverted to me, it looks similar to the other photos from Ceres, only brighter, and I can see the crater chains with no problems, that's why I didn't understood what you meant.

What I find strange on that photo is the clear cut on the top right corner, better seen in the image below, as if someone had cut around the photo to make it look like the horizon.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Ceres_1.png)

PS: many people have called me ArTmap, but there's no Art in me. ;D
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Toltec on May 30, 2015, 08:04:30 PM
All have an artist inside .... :)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: zorgon on May 30, 2015, 08:36:12 PM
What I find strange on that photo is the clear cut on the top right corner, better seen in the image below, as if someone had cut around the photo to make it look like the horizon.


WOWSERS  This is a histerical occasion

ArMaP Says:  What I find strange on that photo is the clear cut on the top right corner, better seen in the image below, as if someone had cut around the photo to make it look like the horizon.



NO STARS !!!!! 

 ::)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on May 31, 2015, 04:36:06 AM
NO STARS !!!!! 

 ::)
I wasn't expecting to see any stars, I was expecting to see the horizon.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Pimander on May 31, 2015, 04:46:18 AM
I wasn't expecting to see any stars, I was expecting to see the horizon.
We should compare ESA and Russian pictures to NASA ones to see how much NASA "edited" their pictures.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Toltec on July 09, 2015, 11:44:58 AM
More crater chains on Ceres:
http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia//images/ceres.html
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on April 24, 2016, 07:09:56 PM
It seems to me that when it comes to most objects in our solar system, that appear to be just totally hammered by craters and chains of craters, how they could still be in relative stable orbits and not flying all over the place?  :o
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on April 24, 2016, 07:12:15 PM
GOLD to Toltec, good posts, thank you.  :)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Toltec on April 25, 2016, 04:51:35 AM
Reading about planets or satellites by the network, found the page of yours of craterchains and what you explain me seem right, if we think that this universe is empty and barren of intelligences no sense to speak of very advanced technological weapons, however otherwise, everything fits. I have observed that most of the satellites and planets in our solar system have impacts Craterchains strangely facts straight as a ruler of architecture.
It would be interesting if you have discovered more things about that topic you place it in your website, thanks for your discoveries.
NASA lies and hidden (no need to be very smart to know), is military and information is a weapon :) ;)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Toltec on April 25, 2016, 11:08:29 AM
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2015/06/01/ceres_close_up_shows_secondary_crater_chains.html ;)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Toltec on September 15, 2016, 02:47:47 AM
http://zlandcommunications.blogspot.com.es/2016/09/nuclear-events-on-mars.html
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: funbox on September 15, 2016, 03:02:47 AM
http://zlandcommunications.blogspot.com.es/2016/09/nuclear-events-on-mars.html

Skipper mentioned the nuclear wars on mars , but I never saw the pictures , always on the verge of being released..
i suppose we'll have to wait and see

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American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics Space 2016 conference to be held in Long Beach, CA this coming September 13 to 16.

funbox

* hmm seems like marsanomoliesreserch is no more, seems like skippers gone awol, abducted or dead..

the little discussion I found
http://alienanomalies.activeboard.com/t52676060/what-happened-to-mars-anomaly-research-website-and-mr-skippe/
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on September 15, 2016, 07:15:10 AM
Great find Toltec, here is some from that web page, , ,

"Excerpts:

"Dr. John E. Brandenburg, PhD (Morningstar Applied Physics, LLC) has been invited to present a research paper at the upcoming American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics Space 2016 conference to be held in Long Beach, CA September 13-16, 2016. The information Brandenburg will be presenting, if his hypothesis is proven correct, is stunning. Dr. Brandenburg claims his research indicates that planet Mars was, in its remote past, subjected to 2 very powerful atmospheric nuclear blasts that were intentionally carried out and appear to have been an over-the-top, deliberate attempt to sterilize Mars of all life.”




"What makes this story even more interesting is Brandenburg’s claim that he presented his data and his conclusions to the Pentagon and, after 6 months of waiting, received a “go-ahead-and-publish” notification from the Department of Defense.”




It appears Dr. Brandenburg has irrefutable evidence in support of an Earth-like Mars in the past and nuclear data revealing ‘weapon-signature’ isotopes showing two massive nuclear “airbursts” in the Northern regions of Mars. ""

FOCLMFAO

I guess he didn't read the papers Gale and I submitted to NASA some 14 freakin years ago, , , , , , , ,

GOLD for yah Toltec, thanky !

Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Toltec on September 15, 2016, 09:25:35 AM
... Continue to investigate, a door is opening.

Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Pimander on September 15, 2016, 09:47:16 AM
How different to a nuclear event would a massive impact event look thousands or millions at years after the event?  What specifically are we looking for?
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: rdunk on September 15, 2016, 11:53:02 AM
How different to a nuclear event would a massive impact event look thousands or millions at years after the event?  What specifically are we looking for?

Pi, some of the detail is found in the link below. The primary factors are Xenon-129 and Krypton, and these have been found in the atmosphere of Mars. Apparently these have a resulting relationship with an atmospheric nuclear blast.

https://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=2453&category=Science
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Dyna on September 15, 2016, 01:05:09 PM
More crater chains on Ceres:
http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia//images/ceres.html
Ah Ceres Mine location number 4! ???
(https://s20.postimg.io/roemz1ei5/Ceres_mine_4_A.jpg)
from frame 2
(https://s20.postimg.io/p8ctl6wfh/Ceres_mine_4.jpg)
Chain?
(https://s20.postimg.io/6iku4g3ot/chain_ceres_7.jpg)
http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia//images/ceres.html
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: funbox on September 15, 2016, 03:22:00 PM
Pi, some of the detail is found in the link below. The primary factors are Xenon-129 and Krypton, and these have been found in the atmosphere of Mars. Apparently these have a resulting relationship with an atmospheric nuclear blast.

https://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=2453&category=Science

or we really are the golgafrinchans :D

http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Golgafrinchan_(race)

funbox

Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: funbox on September 15, 2016, 04:14:42 PM
the conference livestreaming

http://livestream.com/AIAAvideo/SPACE2016

looks like its just started :D

funbox
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on September 15, 2016, 06:14:44 PM
Dyna
They have changed some links out, , , as usual, , , just to hide the truth, , , as usual, ,  ::)
This is the image that Toltec was commenting about Ceres.

I just saw some last photos of Ceres, it is a picture cratercheins, but do not look good, I've seen in PS cs6 and curiously reversing the photo looks in depth and as it should be, the other is the negative .
I wonder: is it normal to have such big mistakes by NASA?(http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/pia19065-1041.jpg)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Toltec on September 16, 2016, 03:58:53 AM
Curious this Ceres….

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA20193
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Toltec on September 16, 2016, 04:07:34 AM
More and very long in Mars..
http://aleksey-galan.blogspot.com.es/2010/11/mars-artifacts-crater-chain-lines.html
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: rdunk on September 16, 2016, 09:51:50 AM
Curious this Ceres….

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA20193

On this Ceres photo and others...........yes Toltec, a reverse screen is necessary to see the true look of the cratered/chained surface. I did try to screenshot the reverse screen, but apparently my screenshot feature doesn't pickup on the reverse change. Anyway, a lot of surface depression lines/chains in this Ceres photo.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on September 16, 2016, 01:37:04 PM
More and very long in Mars..
http://aleksey-galan.blogspot.com.es/2010/11/mars-artifacts-crater-chain-lines.html
Those supposed crater chains do not appear on the photos, only on the background map, and even then only with the "shaded relief" version, so it makes me think that's some kind of imaging (if that relief map was made from images) artefact.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Toltec on September 16, 2016, 02:00:52 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gKnjohkyfrU/TNrkzwz1t2I/AAAAAAAACGY/mz8CnhdFRUY/s1600/0017m.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_gKnjohkyfrU/TNrlV9dDV1I/AAAAAAAACG8/ZaFE1mQ6Ynk/s1600/0026m.png
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on September 16, 2016, 03:13:24 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gKnjohkyfrU/TNrkzwz1t2I/AAAAAAAACGY/mz8CnhdFRUY/s1600/0017m.png
By choosing a different ("MO year 3" instead of "daily images") we can see that there is at least one photo of that line across the crater.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Themis_1.jpg)

But, as we can see below, photo V18574017 doesn't show that line.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Themis_2.jpg)

That's why I think those lines are an artefact of whatever process was used to create the "shaded relief"
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Pimander on September 16, 2016, 05:42:26 PM
I agree with ArMaP.  I wonder how many more of these chains are not there.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: zorgon on September 16, 2016, 06:17:43 PM
I agree with ArMaP.  I wonder how many more of these chains are not there.

Not there? or just not visible under certain lighting conditions?

 :P

 ::)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: zorgon on September 16, 2016, 06:18:34 PM
If everything we see is merely an 'image artifact'  then what is the purpose of taking photographs and analysing them?
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Pimander on September 17, 2016, 04:35:13 AM
Everything isn't an artefact LOL. ::)

That line doesn't appear on the other picture at all though.  A third picture, preferably not from a composite of many would seal it.  I suspect the line wouldn't be there.

I don't think there is no such thing as crater chains just because some of those are probably artefacts by the way.  I do think many are caused by objects breaking up before impact though.  Some might not be but I'm not convinced by other theories so far but I'm open to something new or I wouldn't bother reading the thread.  8)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on September 17, 2016, 06:31:36 AM
If everything we see is merely an 'image artifact'  then what is the purpose of taking photographs and analysing them?
It's not "everything", it's only the things that look like image artefacts.

In this case we have one image (shaded relief) that shows those "crater chains" that do not really look like crater chains, as I don't see any clear craters in a line, only what looks like a line carved on the ground, not one of the photos available show any signs of those features.

Considering that the shaded relief images are not even photos, things get even more against the presence of those supposed "crater chains".

Now, looking at what that blogger says, we can start by seeing that he/she is wrong, as those images are not from Mars Odyssey, the Mars Odyssey images are marked by the blue rectangles that the blogger ignores, basing his/her theory on the background image.

That background image has 4 options, albedo, shaded relief, mola and mola 2, resulting in the following images:

Albedo
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Themis_albedo.jpg)

Shaded relief
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Themis_shaded_relief.jpg)

Mola
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Themis_mola.jpg)

Mola 2
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Themis_mola_2.jpg)

You can see that only the albedo image appears to use real photos, while the other 3 images are an attempt to show the relief.

As I said before, the blue rectangles represent the photos taken, in this case, by Themis, and as you can see, there aren't any photos that show the area of the supposed "crater chain". On the page where the blogger got this images they have, to the left of the map, a list of the releases, and the release selected in the images above was the "daily images". If we choose a different release or the "all releases" option then we can see other photos. Here's how it looks like when we choose the "all releases" option:

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Themis_all_releases.jpg)

As you can see we have dozens of photos, both in visible light (the blue rectangles) and in infrared (the red rectangles)

So, if I choose a specific spot on the "crater chain" (the + marks the spot), lets see how many photos show it.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Themis_3.jpg)

By changing to the "all releases" option and clicking on that spot I got this list of images:
V39001006
V47426014
I08765006
I18574016
I20733005
I27085030
I36655023
I45928046
I53682012
I55530015

I'm not going to post them all, but if you look for them you will see that the "crater chain" doesn't appear in any one of those.

The photos above were taken during the day, but Themis also took photos during the night, with its infrared camera, so if we change to "nightime" we get these 10 photos:
V07292017
I06050007
I06799010
I07292016
I07654019
I08016016
I27578028
I35426009
I35950029
I55992044

It's interesting to see the difference between the day and night photos, but the "crater chain" is still missing.

Now, one thing that makes that site my favourite when looking for satellite photos of Mars is that it has photos from several missions, so we can choose a different mission and look for photos of the same area.

Using the Viking Orbiter mission I got a list of 22 photos, but as most had a very low resolution I chose only photos with resolutions better than 300 metres per pixel, and got this list:
258S08
258S27
670B26
670B49
704B42
704B43
825A01

No signs of crater chains in those either.

Now, Mars Orbiter Camera has a list of 87 photos that show that area, only wide angle photos, but the ones with good definition doesn't show any crater chains either.

The MRO's Context Camera has 5 photos, no crater chains in those either.

HiRISE doesn't have any photos of that exact are.

HRSC has 4 photos, no crater chains in the only with enough resolution to show that area either.

My conclusion: only appears in one image, it's an image artefact.


Now I will try to find out how the shaded relief image was create. :)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on September 17, 2016, 07:06:47 AM
ArMaP
, , , , , There are many places on Mars that show no CSCCs (Concise Systematic Crater Chains) then there are the places that do show MANY!

, , , , just sayin, , ,  :P



How about these?

(http://www.craterchains.com/ns/marscc1.jpg)

In the above photo you can clearly see many of the CS (Concise Systematic) type crater chains with the characteristics we think show obvious intelligence as to cause. Of note are the three and possibly four time frames of occurrence. The predominant CS chain near the center running lower left to upper right appears to be the cleanest and so is probably the newest. Notice the CS chains just above and left of the dominant one. Now they appear to have been covered by dust debris, or possibly silt flow, and that gives us three time frames. Chains, material deposit, then another chain.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: funbox on September 17, 2016, 07:20:36 AM
ArMaP
, , , , , There are many places on Mars that show no CSCCs (Concise Systematic Crater Chains) then there are the places that do show MANY!

, , , , just sayin, , ,  :P

are you suggesting the artifacts are put there to obfusticate the real crater chains?

another sly one if so :D

funbox
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on September 17, 2016, 07:35:29 AM
, , , , , there are a few Crater Chains on Phobos, one of Mars's two moons that orbit backwards by the way.  :P

(http://www.earthsbanner.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=373)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: funbox on September 17, 2016, 07:49:59 AM
, , , , , there are a few Crater Chains on Phobos, one of Mars's two moons that orbit backwards by the way.  :P

(http://www.earthsbanner.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=373)


ill bet that causes some interesting waves :D

funbox
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on September 17, 2016, 08:08:32 AM
, , , , , There are many places on Mars that show no CSCCs (Concise Systematic Crater Chains) then there are the places that do show MANY!

Sure there are, but don't you think that we should know which are real and which are not?
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on September 17, 2016, 08:10:47 AM
reposted so ALL can see the images, , , , , ,

chains of craters all over phobos, , , , hmmmmm
Aint no image arty facts here, , , LOL  :P


(http://earthsbanner.com/Images/phobos2_marsexpress.jpg)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on September 17, 2016, 08:17:32 AM
, , , , , there are a few Crater Chains on Phobos, one of Mars's two moons that orbit backwards by the way.  :P
It doesn't orbit backwards, it orbits in the same direction as Deimos, but as it orbits faster than Mars rotates on itself it appears to orbit backwards when seen from Mars' surface.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Pimander on September 17, 2016, 08:19:01 AM
Yet another member who just ignores the actual point made.  Norval, ArMaP is not denying that crater chains exist so your post was utterly irrelevant.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on September 17, 2016, 08:20:34 AM
Aint no image arty facts here, , , LOL  :P
That's true, no apparent artefacts on that image, but I don't see any reason to LOL about it, aren't you interested in truth?
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Toltec on September 17, 2016, 08:25:15 PM
Parehidolias are one thing, and another the obvious. There are many people who see ruins on Mars, personally I see as plagioclase geological forms, for example, in the case of the crater chains are so long, straight and methodical that the probability of being natural is difficult. attached a picture of a craterchain along a ridge on Mars



(http://static.uahirise.org/images/2008/details/cut/PSP_008641_2105_cut.jpg)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on September 18, 2016, 03:23:25 AM
(http://earthsbanner.com/Images/phobos2_marsexpress.jpg)
Looking again at this photo I noticed something: the craters in the crater chains do not show signs of having been made by objects hitting at different angles, as they should if the objects that created the craters came from only one direction and hit Phobos, as the objects hitting at a 90º angle would create more or less circular shaped craters but when the objects hit Phobos' edges the should create elliptical shaped craters, and I don't see that, it looks like all craters were created perpendicularly to Phobos' surface.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Pimander on September 18, 2016, 03:50:50 AM
I'd agree that the beautiful chain in Toltec's last post does not look like impact craters.

If the chains on Phobos are along lines of latitude then it looks as though a number of objects have struck the surface in a line (they came from a single point) and hit the surface as it rotated.  That would cause the chains to be along lines of latitude.

There are some chains crossing those lines.  They may be caused when Phobos was rotating differently. But....

Here is another explanation.  Jupiter's Thunderbolts!

ArMaP, electrical arcs normally strike the surface perpendicularly explaining what you just observed.  A nuclear war does not explain the phenomenon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5EjXhtKagg
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Dyna on September 18, 2016, 03:27:27 PM
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap950715.html

Their explanation has it been discussed?
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on September 18, 2016, 04:30:59 PM
I'd agree that the beautiful chain in Toltec's last post does not look like impact craters.
According to the page (http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_008641_2105) for that image, those are craters created by the collapse of the ground into an empty space below it.

Quote
If the chains on Phobos are along lines of latitude then it looks as though a number of objects have struck the surface in a line (they came from a single point) and hit the surface as it rotated.  That would cause the chains to be along lines of latitude.
For that to result in what we see then the rotation and the speed at which the objects were hitting Phobos would have to be more or less the same. I think that's possible to happen once, but Phobos is covered with those, and I find it hard for that to happen so many times.

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ArMaP, electrical arcs normally strike the surface perpendicularly explaining what you just observed.  A nuclear war does not explain the phenomenon.
An electrical arc follows the shortest route between the its source and its destination, so it's usually perpendicular to the surface of the target, but I have yet to see something that looks really like the result of an electrical arc.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Pimander on September 18, 2016, 04:35:28 PM
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap950715.html

Their explanation has it been discussed?
I don't know whether it has been discussed in this thread because it started so long ago and I don't have enough time to re-read it.

That explanation is a good one for many chains but....

If these chains were formed in a solar system by many objects subjects surely many would impact at different angles.  ArMaP seeems to have picked up on one of many examples where a planet or Moon seems to have a high proportion of round craters.  You expect a round crater when an object strikes perpendicular (straight down?) to the surface.  Where are all the oval craters on say the Moon from impacts at angles?

Yes there are a few but not enough.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZXeg1BVa2-k/Udx7TB0VXiI/AAAAAAAAXdE/UMUMzqYcr_s/s1600/LOvLROC-snowman-580x800.jpg)

(http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/uploads/M177785917_labeled_thumb.png)

How many oval craters can you see in the two images of the lunar surface above?  Where are all the oval craters from angular impacts?

This video is interesting. LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ_73y2CFWM
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Pimander on September 18, 2016, 04:37:46 PM
This video shows how some of the chains in this thread were possibly formed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muOfhimkLEA
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Pimander on September 18, 2016, 04:39:29 PM
An electrical arc follows the shortest route between the its source and its destination, so it's usually perpendicular to the surface of the target, but I have yet to see something that looks really like the result of an electrical arc.

Perhaps a very high electrical charge would cause an explosion a lot like those fire crackers?

ETA: I agree that Phobos seems unlikely to have been rotating quickly enough to create that effect...
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on September 18, 2016, 05:06:58 PM
Perhaps a very high electrical charge would cause an explosion a lot like those fire crackers?
Have you ever used an electrical arc soldering machine? I have never used one on sand but in metal it makes completely different markings.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Pimander on September 18, 2016, 06:02:24 PM
Have you ever used an electrical arc soldering machine? I have never used one on sand but in metal it makes completely different markings.
I have watched on metal and it looks diffferent to the ones on Phobos.

This paper might interest you.

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Abstract:
Polygonal craters in the form of regular hexagons, as seen on planetary surfaces e.g. Mars, Venus and Mercury, and also on Earth’s moon and other planetary satellites, are considered to be the result of impacts by meteoritic bodies (meteorites or asteroids). Other large craters on Earth, usually described as ‘roughly circular’ or ‘lozenge shaped’ are also considered to be the result of such impacts. This paper will show that many of these craters are in fact polygonal in the form of octagons and that, by assembling a conceptual model of a lightning bolt, will demonstrate that both the underlying formation processes of a lightning bolt and its internal dynamic relationships are directly reflected in the resultant morphologies of these two specific and distinct types of polygonal crater; thus proving that they are the direct result of single lightning strikes.
POLYGONAL CRATER FORMATION BY ELECTRICAL DISCHARGES (http://www.ncgt.org/nws/4a01717953fb71b559856b7c4d8e6914.pdf) (page 158 in the pdf)

Around page 163 the author shows some polygonal examples and how difficult they are to recognise.

He also says, later in the abstract, "The model will also be used to show that lightning bolts are responsible not only for the formation of all meteorites, regardless of their origin, but also for the high levels of iridium found in meteorites and at the K-T boundary; thus refuting impact theory in general and the Alvarez Hypothesis in particular."




REF: New Concepts in Global Tectonics Journal, V. 3, No. 2, June 2015.
www.ncgt.org
POLYGONAL CRATER FORMATION BY ELECTRICAL DISCHARGES
Wayne BURN
(In case the paper disappears off the web)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Pimander on September 18, 2016, 06:09:49 PM
I'll make this the last one for now...  :-\

(http://strangesounds.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/lightning-digs-hole-on-daytona-beach-july-2014.jpg)
http://strangesounds.org/2014/07/lightning-digs-mysterious-crater-on-daytona-beach-july-22-2014-photo.html

ETA: If members ever have problems accessing academic papers full texts PM me as I can sometimes help with access.  If you don't think evil scientists are hiding the truth from you all and you genuinely want to read the contents that is. ;)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on September 19, 2016, 07:11:31 AM
Since this has become some sort of SIDE discussion by a moderator and a administrator about craters in general and NOT about the unique qualities of such Concise and Systematic Crater Chains, , , , ,

What I would really like to know, , , ,

Why are these small moons, asteroids and such STILL IN ORBITS ? ?

By all rights they should be flying all over our solar system from these craters that we see on them ! ! ! !
(The pool table analogy.)

(http://earthsbanner.com/Images/phobos2_marsexpress.jpg)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on September 19, 2016, 07:17:50 AM
ArMaP,

Yes I do still look for truth, just not about things I already know the TRUTH about, , , ,  ;D
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Pimander on September 19, 2016, 07:20:34 AM
Since this has become some sort of SIDE discussion by a moderator and a administrator about craters in general and NOT about the unique qualities of such Concise and Systematic Crater Chains, , , , ,
I suggested the splitting the thread but we thought it better to leave it as are discussing crater formation which is surely massively important to crater chains.

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Why are these small moons, asteroids and such STILL IN ORBITS ? ?

By all rights they should be flying all over our solar system from these craters that we se on them ! ! ! !
If they were flying all over the solar system they may have been originally been stray asteroids captured into the orbit of the planets.  That is one theory about the origin of Phobos.  The same effect is used to put a travelling spacecraft into orbit around a planet (e.g. voyager did this to orbit then study Jupiter).

What do you think about the crater chain like impressions formed by the guys in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muOfhimkLEA
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on September 19, 2016, 07:30:36 AM
, , , , , uh huh, , just ignore all the calculations and rocket breaking actions to achieve orbital capture, , , ,

FOCLMFAO
(But I am sure you WON'T get a Nobel Prize for that thought.)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Pimander on September 19, 2016, 07:38:25 AM
, , , , , uh huh, , just ignore all the calculations and rocket breaking actions to achieve orbital capture, , , ,
If there was many thousands of stray objects moving around the solar system after say, for the sake of argument, a catastrophic planet break up then I don't think there is anything unreasonable about the theory.  Some objects would exit the solar system, some would find a stable orbit around the sun (becoming asteroids), some would hit planets or the Sun, and perhaps the odd one would pass a planet at exactly the right velocity and distance to enter a stable orbit and become a moon.

It's obvious most did not become moons so it would be a rare event.  I can't see any reason why that is not possible.

ETA: Apparently Phobos may be composed of materials like D-Type Asteroids, PHOBOS AS A D-TYPE CAPTURED ASTEROID, SPECTRAL MODELING (http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0004-637X/777/2/127/meta;jsessionid=04E0AE1FE2EC750B8278D9E962DD5C7E.c6.iopscience.cld.iop.org)

Alternatively, analysis of the Planetary Fourier Spectrometer data from Mars Express also points towards in situ formation but does not rule out the possibility that Phobos is a captured achondrite-like meteor. (http://sci.esa.int/mars-express/31031-phobos/)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Toltec on September 19, 2016, 12:01:27 PM
Seems to be no plausible explanation for craterchains, where or in what way we think it will come the answer to extraterrestrial life ... maybe the answer is right under the noses ... but we already know and the Empire does not interested.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Toltec on July 16, 2017, 01:17:40 AM
Are this craterchain normal?
https://planetary.s3.amazonaws.com/assets/images/3-moon/20121105_moon_lroc_crater_chain_M102443238RC_crop_fullres.jpg
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Toltec on July 16, 2017, 01:21:23 AM
Sorry: http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2010/2423.html
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: ArMaP on July 16, 2017, 03:19:53 AM
Looking at the top of the "chain" and at other features in the area I think those craters may be more like holes on a lava tunnel.
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: The Seeker on July 16, 2017, 03:36:34 AM
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They are in a chain on the volcanic plains and have a somewhat sinuous outline, so it is tempting to assume that they are some kind of volcanic feature, maybe collapse pits over a subsurface lava tube.
From the blog at the above link; collapsed lave tubes does seem plausible  8)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/20121105_moon_lroc_crater_chain_M102443238LRC_10mpix_f537.jpg)
Title: Re: Crater Chains
Post by: Norval on December 12, 2017, 06:55:20 PM
I sure wouldn't consider that a crater chain.  ::)