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Ancient Civilizations => Ancient Civilizations => Topic started by: A51Watcher on October 08, 2011, 10:25:07 PM

Title: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 08, 2011, 10:25:07 PM
Let's start with something that was -

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Originally posted by zorgon

I wasn't aware that you were so heavily into this aspect though... I started out my search from this angle many years ago. The UFO stuff was just a passing interest at the time. I regret that now because I was around during the glory days but never got into it heavily till recently...

I was forced to start my search from the other angle, because of my sighting of course. Researching that subject matter you encounter items from Egypt all the time because of the claims of an ET connection.

It quickly became apparent that there was more than meets the eye going on at Giza. 

I tend to go along with your thinking on the age of the GP. There are structures and locations in Egypt that we have clear proof of who built it when. Then there are others where there is -no record- as to it's origin.

I find it interesting that these unknown structures exhibit amazingly powerful workmanship while by comparison the known ones are rather feeble attempts at imitation.

The Sphinx is Exhibit A of one of these unknowns being not 'new kingdom' or 'old kingdom' but how about 'super dooper -way- old kingdom'?

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I regret that now because I was around during the glory days but never got into it heavily till recently...


You're lucky you got into it at all considering how thick the smokescreen is.


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And the old timers are expiring rapidly

Look at the bright side. That is how we get affidavits like Walter Haut's.  ;)


I would be interested to hear your thoughts about the area in the GP circled in blue:

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/01%20-%20d12b1edfbb7a_zpse433pyev.jpg)

referred to as the 'antechamber'.


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reply by zorgon

Rosicrucian tradition relates that the great pyramids of Giza were most sacred in the eyes of initiates. Contrary to what historians affirm, our tradition relates that the Giza pyramids were not built to be the tombs of pharaohs, but were actually places of study and mystical initiation. The mystery schools, over centuries of time, gradually evolved into great centers of learning, attracting students from throughout the known world.

http://www.rosicrucian.org/about/mastery/mastery08history.html (http://www.rosicrucian.org/about/mastery/mastery08history.html)


re: antechamber

I hadn't really given it much thought beyond the mathematical sacred geometry precision...

Are you referring to the hydraulic lift theory?

I am sure you have read Charles Piazzi Smyth's works. If not you should. He was an Archaeologist before they went bad.
 
"Charles Piazzi Smyth (January 3, 1819 – February 21, 1900), was Astronomer Royal for Scotland from 1846 to 1888, well-known for many innovations in astronomy and his pyramidological and metrological studies of the Great Pyramid of Giza."

(http://www.pinetreeweb.com/piazzi-plate_12.jpg)

Charles Piazzi Smyth
Our Inheritance in the Great Pyramid (1877)

(http://www.pinetreeweb.com/piazzi-plate_7.jpg)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Piazzi_Smyth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Piazzi_Smyth)



I note that most of the pop myths about Giza that have been fed to the public for decades by 'the experts' have been shown their proper place in the trash bin here.

Such as - Pyramids being used for tombs. That one got started early on when an 'egyptologist' desperate to make a find, dragged a mummy from an actual tomb inside a pyramid and then announced his 'discovery'.

He was later found out and the mummy returned, but the damage had been done.

The most telling proof is quite simple. Besides a mummy never being buried in one, in all real tombs the walls are adorned with hieroglyphics.

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/03%20-%206b624c406948_zpsrp3ime96.jpg)


(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/04%20-%207407bc8aa19b_zpsul9usuwx.jpg)




On the walls of the King's chamber and the entire Pyramid, there are none. (More on that later.)

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/05%20-%20b505f992cd60_zpswuh2lsfc.jpg)

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/06%20-%20053750ea91a1_zpsrmtwexrw.jpg)


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reply by zorgon

Planting a mummy to prove a point  And people wonder why I detest Archaeologists

They also avoid the fact that the GP is a perfect structure and yet it is the oldest even by modern main stream reckoning. All the later ones decline in perfection. Now normal in construction project you learn as you go, getting better until you get it right... but with the GP its the exact opposite

They also avoid the fact that the GP is a perfect structure and yet it is the oldest even by modern main stream reckoning. All the later ones decline in perfection. Now normal in construction project you learn as you go, getting better until you get it right... but with the GP its the exact opposite
They also avoid the Inventory Stella that says Khufu only restored an already ancient structure. Unfortunately Hawass won't let anyone examine it... maybe now that he has resigned (again) we might have some luck on that, but I doubt it.


When listening to 'experts' tell you about who built what and when, be very careful to check how they 'know' this. A little research will quickly show you that most of the time, they 'think' they know who, but in reality they have NO real proof.


Such is the case with the age of The Sphinx, which is pivotal and extremely pertinent to the rest of Giza:

For decades we were told they knew who built it and when.

Then In 1993 'Egyptology' took a huge shock-wave when along came researcher
John Anthony West:

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/07%20-%203fca75a8b641_zps4pjoreej.jpg)

who turned out to have a sharp eye and made some very astute observations after wandering around Egypt for a while.


To his keen eye, it appeared that the body of The Sphinx looked incredibly weathered, decrepit and ancient, yet the head had a more recent look to it:

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/08%20-%2030e7cd66a5d3_zpstqcemm0f.jpg)


Odd he thought, considering the head is what has been exposed to the elements it's entire life, while the body has been covered and protected in sand for most of it's life. So it should appear the other way around shouldn't it?

Quite obviously the face had been re- carved in 'more recent times'.

But the enormity of how ancient the weathering of the body appeared to be is what really had his wheels turning. Also to his eye, it appeared different than the weathering he had seen in other locations during his wanderings around there.

He realized that if what he suspected were true, the results would cause the biggest storm 'Egyptology' has ever seen.


And so, he took some pictures of the body of the Sphinx and the surrounding enclosure walls, and covered portions of them with black tape. He then used his private connections to visit the geology department head of a prestigious university and showed him the pictures, and then asked him what had caused the erosion of this limestone bedrock.

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/09%20-%20611338148c55_zpsjubnt4rx.jpg)
(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/10%20-%2054fa90f34ad9_zpsgwepolwz.jpg)

His response was "Well... water of course."

John then peeled off the black tape and showed him what was beneath it in the photo.

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/11%20-%2044a7a065dbbc_zpsnmktmy9s.jpg)
(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/12%20-%20d0b08a0f150e_zpsdbz9gaop.jpg)


The professor's eyes widened as he immediately realized the consequences of this and responded with "No no no, you can NOT get me involved with this!" and quickly showed John the door (and HERE take these with you!)

John knew he was on to something, and managed to find a young geologist, Dr. Robert Schoch:

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/13%20-%209dcc91fa6919_zpskzbc58xe.jpg)


...who was willing to travel to examine the evidence, and confirmed what the original professor had told him -

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/14%20-%205cd0928a91b7_zpsmqoq8ylu.jpg)

"Well... water of course... You see, water erodes layered limestone with rounded edges, while wind and sand erode layered limestone with sharp edges."

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/15%20-%2074947075fb90_zpsteho3uh3.jpg)
(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/16%20-%20d0d97e60e33b_zpssocu8s53.jpg)
(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/17%20-%2016d437e03976_zpssoqy9skv.jpg)

BIG problem... - There hasn't been any appreciable rainfall in Egypt for some 10,000 years! Plus the fact that this monument had to -already be in place- in order to be weathered by this rainfall!

The problem here is that - we are told by 'the experts' that as Humans we were still in the hunter-gatherer stage at that point. And yet, these primitives were able to cut and move these massive stone blocks to create this monument and use the resulting blocks to create the adjacent 'temple' shown here:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTpb2RrsvQw[/youtube]


But yet we are supposed to believe that primitive hunter-gatherer's somehow had the technology to cut, move and reposition at will - massive blocks of bedrock limestone:

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/18%20-%203fd11d69405b_zpss3nsw4t4.jpg)
(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/19%20-%208f98967f3eb1_zpsfjsrlbeb.jpg)


From John's online Bio -

"The ancient Egyptians themselves attributed their wisdom to an earlier age going back 36,000 years. West set out to test the hypothesis that the Sphinx was much older than its conventional date of 2500 BC. His findings provide the first hard evidence that an earlier age of civilization preceded the known development of civilization in the Nile valley."

He also proved that 'the experts' are providing us very flimsy guesses instead of facts, and so the field is wide open for anyone to go out and research the truth for themselves about The Giza Plateau.
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 09, 2011, 12:37:35 AM
-continued-

As noted in a previous post, the purpose of this structure was clearly utilitarian by design, not funerary or ritualistic.

So what then was it's intended function?

...returning to our North to right orientation, we can see three empty slots, and a forth containing a granite slab:

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/20%20-%206d68b071d287_zpslrdco6rp.gif)

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/22%20-%20e1169a2243d6_zpstueifgox.gif)


This clearly is a Control Mechanism whose function to regulate what,
is 'currently unknown'.

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5212/5512708853_a7374ea26f_m.jpg)

We also can see on the Southern wall (as originally discovered circa 820 AD) four smaller grooves:

(http://www.eridu.co.uk/Author/egypt/AntechamberWall2.gif)

(http://egyptologist.org/discus/messages/8/6131.jpg)


and here with a more recent 'repair' job:

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/21%20-%2004c1b683b64b_zps7ctkhpwg.jpg)


Speculation holds that the three empty slots originally also held granite slabs:

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/22%20-%20e1169a2243d6_zpstueifgox.gif)


With wooden rollers and rope to raise and lower them, using the one still in place as a counter-weight:

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/20%20-%206d68b071d287_zpslrdco6rp.gif)


Apparent remnants of these slabs have been discovered in and outside of the GP.


(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Port01.jpg?t=1318184076)

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/port02.jpg?t=1318184170)

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/port03.jpg?t=)


And do they fit? -


(http://egyptologist.org/discus/messages/8/6192.jpg)

(http://egyptologist.org/discus/messages/8/6193.jpg)

(http://egyptologist.org/discus/messages/8/6194.jpg)



The images above come from an interesting discussion of these Granite slabs here:

http://egyptologist.org/discus/messages/8/6102.html?1166677736 (http://egyptologist.org/discus/messages/8/6102.html?1166677736)


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reply by zorgon

...It certainly does appear that something was being dammed off... water? If so to what end and at that height? Certainly way to elaborate to stop people...

(well this certainly isn't going to be much of a guessing game with zorgon playing ;) )


And that certainly is the million dollar question now init?

Is there anywhere else in the GP we can search for additional clues to this puzzle?

I say there is.

Just like the evidence of the age of the Sphinx, it has been in plain sight the whole time.


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A while back I read a report that a high water mark was detectable on the outside of the Pyramid. It was being used to prove the Flood... but info seems to vanish all the time... either that or I am jumping time lines again 

I will try again see if it shows up now...


Maybe based on this? -

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/23%20-%201e678c31942f_zps1bp2bklq.jpg)


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reply by zorgon

Maybe... and then all that sand that was filled in was sediment, not wind blown

Man you are no fun at all :P ;)



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Well this is really odd... nothing like this ever showed up in previous searched

The Great Pyramid's Subterranean Chamber Hydraulic Pulse Generator

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/piramides/esp_piramide_11a.htm (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/piramides/esp_piramide_11a.htm)

(http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_piramide/piramide11_09_small.jpg)

(http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_piramide/piramide11_10_small.gif)


The Great Pyramids of Eqypt were ram water pumps

http://www.atlaspub.20m.com/giza/index.htm (http://www.atlaspub.20m.com/giza/index.htm)

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Morph/Egypt/crossect1_zps7ae2861f.jpg)





Well the problem I see with this one is:

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Morph/Egypt/crossect1_zps7ae2861f.jpg)

Note the 2 'air shafts' leading to the 'Queens Chamber' are labeled Outlet and air duct.

The fact is these shafts never connected to the chamber, they stopped about 10 inches shy inside the wall. They were only discovered and broken open and explored in recent times (with little RC robots mounted with cams.)

So their design was never intended to provide air into this chamber.

I am familiar with this web page and theory, and it does provide many interesting theories. However in the end, I think it winds up being quite unnecessarily over the top and ultimately falls short of the mark.

The air shafts that are not air shafts are but one glaring example.

If he were blindfolded, I would tell him he had moved from cold to luke- warm.




Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 09, 2011, 01:41:57 AM
-continued-

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Originally posted by zorgon

Well this is really odd... nothing like this ever showed up in previous searched

The Great Pyramid's Subterranean Chamber Hydraulic Pulse Generator

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/piramides/esp_piramide_11a.htm (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/piramides/esp_piramide_11a.htm)


That page shows several pictures originally posted on John Cadman's own home page here -

(http://sentinelkennels.com/GPimages/PulsePic1_25p.jpg)

on his Hydraulic Ram Pump research.

http://sentinelkennels.com/Research_Article_V41.html (http://sentinelkennels.com/Research_Article_V41.html)

Which goes into great detail on his theories on this subject, and if nothing else this page provides a great amount of detail on "The subterranean chamber" not found elsewhere, which 'experts' have always told us was an "Unfinished Chamber".

(http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_piramide/piramide11_15_small.jpg)

Huh??   :o

THE very first chamber, to be built before ALL ELSE in the GP, was "Unfinished"??

"Oh gee I dunno, just leave it for later and we'll figure somethin out."

Yeah right.


(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/crossect1_zpsmshnthhh.jpg)

(also no 'check valve' or 'clack valve' ever found in GP)



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The Great Pyramids of Eqypt were ram water pumps...


The problem I see here is the same one you mentioned earlier...

"...It certainly does appear that something was being dammed off... water? If so to what end and at that height?"

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Morph/Egypt/images_zps7e05bdf8.jpg)

The bottom line for John is -

"...Anyone that has experienced the running model all come away saying that the pump function is secondary to the pulse generation.

The intense pulse is directed towards the King’s chamber causing it to resonate... "


In essence promoting the theory the GP is a hydraulic pulse generator.

I do not subscribe to that theory, but a very interesting read none the less, as is does contain details on certain areas in the GP not covered elsewhere.



Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 09, 2011, 02:19:22 AM
-continued-


(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/fdf07487c4e3.jpg)

The descending passage (b) leading down to the 'unfinished' subterranean chamber (c) looks like this:

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ba24f71addb7.jpg)

Are we to believe that this too is also "unfinished"?

Without this ramp and handrails added recently for tourists, what is left? Not a ceremonial passageway to be sure.

Again - this only points out the clearly utilitarian nature of this entire structure.


Could they have created it in a more polished manner if they had wished to do so?


Much like John Anthony West, a sharp- eyed fellow named Christopher Dunn did some wandering around Egypt and also observed some things that again - did not seem to match up with the story presented to us by 'the experts' :

"I'm not an Egyptologist, I'm a technologist. I do not have much interest in who died when, whom they may have taken with them and where they went to. No lack of respect is intended for the mountain of work and the millions of hours of study conducted on this subject by intelligent scholars (professional and amateur), but my interest, thus my focus, is elsewhere.

When I look at an artifact to investigate how it was manufactured, I am not concerned about its history or chronology. Having spent most of my career working with the machinery that actually creates modern artifacts, such as jet-engine components, I am able to analyze and determine how an artifact was created. I have also had training and experience in some non-conventional manufacturing methods, such as laser processing and electrical discharge machining."

...and what he found was - Evidence of Advanced Machining in Ancient Egypt -

http://www.gizapower.com/Advanced/Advanced%20Machining.html (http://www.gizapower.com/Advanced/Advanced%20Machining.html)

"...The ancient Egyptians created artifacts that cannot be explained in simple terms.

These tools (primitive copper instruments) do not fully represent the "state of the art" that is evident in the artifacts.

There are some intriguing objects that survived after this civilization, and in spite of its most visible and impressive monuments, we have only a sketchy understanding of the full scope of its technology.

The tools displayed by Egyptologists as instruments for the creation of many of these incredible artifacts are physically incapable of reproducing them.

After standing in awe before these engineering marvels, and then being shown a paltry collection of copper implements in the tool case at the Cairo Museum, one comes away bemused and frustrated."


At first around the GP he noticed evidence of (in Granite mind you) -

(http://www.gizapower.com/pma/JuddSawMarks.jpg)

Saw Blade Marks!

(http://www.gizapower.com/pma/Machine%20Marks_files/image007.jpg)

(http://www.gizapower.com/pma/Machine%20Marks_files/image009.jpg)

(http://www.gizapower.com/pma/Machine%20Marks_files/image013.jpg)


and then also evidence of - a Lathe!

(http://www.gizapower.com/pma/Machine%20Marks_files/image021.jpg)

(http://www.gizapower.com/pma/Machine%20Marks_files/image023.jpg)

(http://www.gizapower.com/pma/Machine%20Marks_files/image025.jpg)

(http://www.gizapower.com/pma/img1C.jpg)

(http://www.gizapower.com/pma/Machine%20Marks_files/image031.jpg)

(http://www.gizapower.com/pma/Machine%20Marks_files/image033.jpg)

(http://www.gizapower.com/pma/img2B.jpg)


The above are only a few examples of the information and pictures Christopher generously shares on his web page here:

http://www.gizapower.com/pma/index.htm (http://www.gizapower.com/pma/index.htm)


Another example he investigated is this Granite Box 7-1/2 ft. wide 9 ft. high 13-½ ft. long carved from a solid piece of Aswan pink granite found in the Rock tunnels of the Serapeum at Saqqarra:

(http://www.gizapower.com/images/Serapeum/Serapeum_box2.JPG)

(http://www.gizapower.com/Advanced/Granite_box.JPG)

(http://www.gizapower.com/images/Serapeum/025_23.jpg)

(http://www.gizapower.com/pma/Machine%20Marks_files/image045.jpg)

His site is another one that I recommend an in- depth reading of because it provides details not found anywhere else. (Provided yet again by first hand investigation!) 

My final point here being -

Yes the Egyptians were obviously capable of producing a smooth polished finish on any material and structures they wished to do so, as evidenced in many temples and tombs around Egypt.

In the case of the GP they chose not to do so, as it was deemed unwarranted.


(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/26%20-%2075c9b0652adf_zpsb5fh6vky.jpg)

Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 09, 2011, 03:00:01 AM
-continued-

A major re- think of context is sorely needed in regards to the AE due to the fact that the 'experts' have misled us on several points (covered in the previous posts) AND completely MISSED the evidence of the true age of The Sphinx that was in plain sight all along.

I find it a 'disservice to our collective history' and especially the AE themselves, to infer as the 'experts' regularly do, that they were a primitive superstitious bunch whose daily lives and entire focus of their society revolved around the famed - Book Of The Dead.

Since it is the only full length feature book ever discovered (so far), ALL explanations from the 'experts' regarding the AE invariably start with some reference or another to this funeral parlor manual laced with fairytales (aka religion) that may or may not have have hidden references for initiates.

What if future archaeologists were to unearth our remains and only be able to discover a funeral home containing a bible and reference manual for embalming. Would they too confidently describe us as gullible superstitious primitives obsessed with tales of the afterlife?

And to further insult us with claims that their engineering marvels were accomplished with copper tools is preposterous. The context in this case is a figure of 10,000 plus years. Way beyond the proffered 'copper age'.


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Originally posted by Kandinsky

The point was all this stuff needs precursors...chains of discoveries and applied science.

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reply posted by zorgon

Ya know... I use that same argument with the GP itself... it just magically appeared in all its perfection, and there is no precursor or drawings on how it was made. All the other poorer copies came later... but that always gets ignored... Why is that?

As to the Egyptians and electric stuff, my theory is that they were just trying to copy stuff seen or heard of from a more ancient race, but didn't have the full knowledge or all the parts, though Tesla didn't need wires  :P

I think what we are seeing in the drawings in certain places is just traces of an older time that they tried to reproduce. I really would love to have a look at that Inventory Stella... at least an accurate photo of it to decypher.

Sorry but I see modern main stream archaeologists as public enemy #1   ;D  Gimme the Indianna Jones type any day  or give me the key to the Smithsonian oopart vault for a couple days
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 09, 2011, 03:28:47 AM
-continued-


Now let's take a closer look at what has been dubbed 'The Grand Gallery' (h):

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/24%20-%20fdf07487c4e3_zpsddgxz12y.jpg)


(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/28%20-%20c19b0db9ff78_zpstlph3q7g.jpg)

Oooh that looks spooky! As the King's mummy ascends towards his 'Chamber'....

Oh wait sorry... that's right... the GP -is not- a burial chamber or tomb. (covered previously)

So can the spooky music and turn off those silly lights already so we can see what this passage really looks like.


(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/29%20-%20025a17e0017a_zpsr2egpujt.jpg)

Ahh thank you, much better. :D


Now isn't that interesting! And without that ramp and railings put in recently for tourists, I would imagine that would be quite a climb! No stairs for 'The Journey' ?

And what are all those 'divots' we see along the base on either side? And the little cubby holes on the wall behind each one? (2nd one from the right is missing it's 'cover'.)

Perhaps a little statue in each one with a candle to wish the King good luck on his journey?   ;D
(sorry couldn't resist  ;)  )


Now turning around we see the bottom of the 'Grand Gallery' and the top of 'The Ascending Passage' (e) with the entrance to 'The Queen's Chamber' (f) at our feet:

(http://gahagans.org/egypt/photos/0026looking%20down%20to%20top%20of%20ascending%20passage.jpg)

And here is the view from the bottom of the 'Ascending Passage' looking up.

(http://guardians.net/egypt/GP/images/queen98a.jpg)

And now the entrance to 'The Queen's Chamber':

(http://guardians.net/egypt/GP/images/queen98b.jpg)


We finally enter the chamber and....

(http://guardians.net/egypt/GP/images/queen98c.jpg)

(http://www.touregypt.net/images/touregypt/greatpyramid3-19.jpg)


Oh my! A rather shabby burial chamber for a Royal Egyptian Queen I must say.

No hieroglyphs adorning the walls or ceiling anywhere? I notice none of the hallways have any either.

Well then is the King's Chamber any better? (j)

(http://gahagans.org/egypt/photos/0031kingschamber.jpg)

Oh dear! And his royal coffin appears rather shabby also.   ::)   ;)
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 09, 2011, 03:43:48 AM

-continued-

The first person to enter the GP in more 'recent' times (AD 820) via breaking and entering was Caliph al-Ma'mun and his band of merry men.

His chosen entry point was the smaller one you see just below the larger original entrance that was later uncovered:

(http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/Images/countries/Egyptian%20pics/pyramidentry.jpg)

(http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/Images/countries/Egyptian%20pics/almamuntunnel.jpg)


The original entrance gives us a glimpse at some of the massive behemoth stones lining the interior of the GP:

(http://www.gizapyramid.com/oldpyramid3.jpg)


That entrance is now locked, and today tourists instead enter through al-Ma'mun's attempted heist entrance:

(http://gahagans.org/egypt/photos/0022Current%20entrance%20to%20the%20Great%20Pyramid.jpg)


Who were then faced with a huge granite block overhead and the descending passage:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3XdRQpIBPv4/TdZb2gLeURI/AAAAAAAAUs0/kF5N7PB0jzM/s1600/Edgar+68.jpg)


After discovering the descending passage and subterranean chamber were empty, it was decided to -tunnel around- the over head granite block until they came upon the Ascending passage:

(http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/piramides/images/pyramid_160.jpg)


This recent color shot shows better definition of the Granite block(s) (on the left) that they went around, and the beginning of the ascending chamber (in the center). Also the new steps (below) carved into the stone and handrails:

(http://gahagans.org/egypt/photos/0023Start%20of%20Ascending%20Passage%20showing%20plugs.jpg)


Also a closer shot of the Granite blocks:

(http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/piramides/images/pyramid_161.jpg)


al-Ma'mun and his men were of course crestfallen to discover the rest of the GP also empty.


We are told by the 'experts' that these Granite 'plugs' were put in place to block would- be tomb robbers.

Hmmm... now that didn't seem to work out too well now did it?

Now why would you put those in place knowing there is no tomb or treasure to rob?

Are we to believe it was robbed in ancient times before it was sealed?


Did they also steal all the funerary hieroglyphs off the walls?   ;D


Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 09, 2011, 04:05:19 AM
-continued-

A closer examination of 'The Pit' leading downward from the subterranean chamber reveals a few interesting details:

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/pit6a0c9e659838_zpsfaoxy9au.jpg)

(http://sentinelkennels.com/GPimages/GreatPyramid8.jpg)


Which was discovered with "rubble" blocking the bottom and as you can see was excavated to at least 36 feet by Perring before giving up and moving on.

If memory serves later attempts to probe the remaining depth with metal rods managed to reach an additional 29 feet before being thwarted.

It is a rather nice 'pit' for an 'unfinished' room, considering the walls of this 'pit' were lined with marble slabs:


(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/pit2edb2769c330_zpsle0dj95f.jpg)


Now what could this nice 'Pit' possibly connect to?

Does the name 'recently discovered Bird Caves' beneath the Giza Plateau ring a bell with anyone?

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Cf8MyfCmVIE/Tbl1crYWdiI/AAAAAAAABcg/uIV5c62sq4Q/s640/ToB+entrance+copy+low.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UAVa30xiYbg/TbnJTXi0lOI/AAAAAAAABeA/af7Nr3p6-c4/s640/10905581-sue-collins-caves-1-low.jpg)


Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 09, 2011, 04:20:49 AM
-continued-

______________________________________________________________________________

**DISCLAIMER** - I have previously tried to be clear on this point but just in case...


In the previous posts examining the GP, I have linked to several sites that contain detailed graphic and pictorial exhibits for examination of their respective area for only that purpose.

I commend them for their innovative thinking and efforts, but I do not however subscribe to any of the theories advanced by any of the authors of these sites.

I find them unnecessarily way over- complicated and in many cases just plain over the top and way missing the mark. And the end result of all these theories to my mind produce no tangible believable result.

______________________________________________________________________________


It is reasonable to assume that Caliph al-Ma'mun spent some time pondering the anomalies he encountered in the GP:

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/30%20-%20e0ddb58d32e0_zps3u3j72ft.jpg)

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/edge7919dc8ddfdb_zpsfayb71nk.jpg)

Such as - all the square 'divots' along the sides of the grand gallery, that were then all re- covered as shown in previous photos. Here is one without it's 'cover'.

(http://www.greatpyramidexplanation.com/easyUp/image//great_pyramid_40.jpg)

Note that the angle of all notches run parallel to the angle of the 'Grand Gallery', so one can reasonably assume that whatever stood or was held in these notches, -also- stood at an angle parallel to the angle of the 'Grand Gallery'.


(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/pluga512e93607af_zpsmdoolikv.jpg)

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/32%20-%20a7308cc5551c_zpsq2k6cqfg.jpg)



He undoubtedly spent even more time pondering the meaning and function of this area:

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/33%20-%20f7f0a9d2d0ed_zps3ke22idq.jpg)



To me, this area (and indeed even the entire GP) reminds me of when you got to turn the crank on the ancient game called 'Mousetrap':

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/34%20-%20d95d469f6179_zpslk2ycvtx.jpg)


Which you first had to laboriously assemble each component and then connect them together and arm each one for it's various purpose. After all elements perform their function, the cage then settles down upon the mouse and we are left with a spent device that needs it's various components re- armed and reset in order to perform it's main function again.


To my eye, the GP is like a spent game of Mousetrap, in need of having it's various parts reset and re- armed. I found that with a little time examining the various components and which need to be returned to their original position and re- armed, the primary purpose of this entire structure becomes self- evident.

For the moment I will leave it to the reader to examine and speculate on what these might be. I trust that the diagrams, pictures and various observations I have posted will assist in making this determination fairly easily.



Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 09, 2011, 12:26:30 PM
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originally posted by zorgon

... I see modern main stream archaeologists as public enemy #1     Gimme the Indianna Jones type any day  or give me the key to the Smithsonian oopart vault for a couple days


And people wonder why my posts are full of sarcasm and mock 'the experts'.  ;D

One example is - I personally have seen the grandmaster expert of them all - Zawi Hawass - stand there on TV and tell us with a straight face that the reason for the air shafts in the King's chamber was so his soul would have a direction finder on which way to fly out of the GP to the desired star.

Then why are their 2 air shafts? Is this some kind of guessing game for his soul like Let's make a deal? What if he chooses the wrong one? Oops he lands on the wrong star?    ???  And what about the Queen's soul? She doesn't get any directions?   ::)

Oh puLEEZ stop already with the King's soul stuff and book of the dead mumbo jumbo!

I have listened to their flimsy theories long enough, I think it is high time people present a few of their own theories, they certainly couldn't do any worse!


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Originally posted by thetiler
reply to post by A51Watcher

Enjoyed Chris Dunn's pics! Way to go! His is truly on to something very important.

 

Yeah certainly nothing to see there eh?

Now move along folks... ;D


Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: biggles on October 16, 2011, 12:50:56 AM
So what are your conclusions then on what the GP used for, damming water?  It is hard for my intelligence to follow so sorry if I am asking silly questions.  As your read your post I immediately came to the conclusion that the water damage could have been due to the Great Flood, but to be honest I dont know when that happened exactly.

Can you explain what you think they were built for, sorry I know Im dumb but I am interested.
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 16, 2011, 12:42:31 PM

I'll start with this one -

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sorry I know Im dumb but I am interested.

Not at all biggles, people have been pondering it's purpose for centuries now.

I decided to present my observations in that manner because I realized that the only way to 'get it' is for one to see it for yourself.


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So what are your conclusions then on what the GP used for, damming water?

No I don't think damming water was the purpose. But believe me I considered that option along with a million others while pondering what the exposed machinery could be used for.

My thought on damming was - well maybe, but not very likely... something else perhaps?

zorgon also added "at that height?... and for what purpose?", both valid observations in my view, which discount the possibility of their purpose being for damming.

zorgon's 'damming water' comment was more directed toward my question of what type of material those slabs would be suited to regulating. Certainly not gas or air since that passage is not even close to airtight.

I agree with his estimate that water would certainly seem a more likely answer as to what they would be suited to regulating the flow of.

Or perhaps sensing the flow of.

Let's keep those 2 possibilities in mind as we explore other area's.


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As your read your post I immediately came to the conclusion that the water damage could have been due to the Great Flood, but to be honest I dont know when that happened exactly.

Neither does anyone else. Lots of speculation but no hard facts on the exact period. But certainly that's something to keep in mind while pondering the purpose of the GP.


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Can you explain what you think they were built for...

It will be my pleasure since you are interested and apparently have not found my ramblings to be sheer lunacy yet up to this point.  ;D


Allow me to answer that question by asking a few questions:

What would look different inside the GP if all the moving parts we are aware of were returned to their original position?

Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: biggles on October 16, 2011, 04:28:48 PM
Well let me see, I will put a few of my thoughts out there but their not going to be the right ones ofcourse.

What about what a windmill does?  Something like that.  I dont know if I can come up with something else, too hard, but I will look back over your posts and give it another try hon.
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: biggles on October 16, 2011, 04:58:58 PM
Maybe a kind of trap for the enemy?
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 16, 2011, 05:33:30 PM
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What about what a windmill does?

Maybe a kind of trap for the enemy?

Very creative ideas. I don't think the evidence supports the windmill function idea, and as far as a trap for enemies or intruders, I certainly would have been very leery of crossing that passage without putting a pole or something through there first to see if it was booby trapped. In retrospect it does not appear that it was.

Let's try to reconstruct the interior of the GP to it's original appearance and see if that provides any clues.

For instance, let's speculate that this area:

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/20%20-%206d68b071d287_zpslrdco6rp.gif)


originally must have looked like this:

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/22%20-%20e1169a2243d6_zpstueifgox.gif)


That would seem to be a reasonable assumption based on available evidence.

Is there anywhere else in the GP we can restore parts to their original position?
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: biggles on October 16, 2011, 08:57:40 PM
Maybe initiates could get past one part of the pyramid and into the next by displaying their esoteric knowledge.?

I am going to keep thinking. :)
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 16, 2011, 09:31:53 PM
How about you zorgon?

See any more pieces that could be returned to their original position?
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: biggles on October 16, 2011, 10:26:06 PM
What about a power system.?
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 17, 2011, 09:52:44 AM
What about a power system.?

I have seen several people speculate that was the the original purpose, but I don't see any signs of that.

Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: biggles on October 17, 2011, 03:49:22 PM
What about irrigating the fields with the ability to lock some off and water others?
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 17, 2011, 04:14:24 PM
What about irrigating the fields with the ability to lock some off and water others?

That is a VERY creative idea that would seem to match most of the key elements we have examined.

Movement and control of water certainly does appear to be a central element in the design and purpose.

Now you have to examine the feasibility of getting that idea to work within the GP.

Where the does the water come in at?

Where does the water go out?

How is it controlled?

Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: biggles on October 17, 2011, 05:56:05 PM
That flat section in the illustration of the antechamber, water goes in there and goes up that section that looks like a pipe and then is controlled where to go in that illustration that has blocks missing and then the water goes out of there through the other section that looks like a pipe as well on the other side.?
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 17, 2011, 07:29:08 PM
Sorry I'm not following which parts you mean.

But first off, where does the water come in from? Where exactly does it enter the Pyramid?

Also, if you referring to the illustration with the missing blocks, does the water enter from the right or left?

The big grooves in the walls are for guiding the granite slabs up and down, while the small ones on the end are for the ropes to slide up and down. They are not tubes and will not hold water. 
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: Pimander on October 18, 2011, 03:17:55 PM
The pyramid is like a giant musical instrument - call it a harmonic resonance generator (?) if you like.

It is probably designed to induce a particular state of consciousness in the initiate/neophyte depending on how it is "tuned".  A lot of the parts that can be adjusted are like the strings on a guitar or piano, the valves on a trumpet etc.

Gothic Cathedrals, like many in England and France have harmonic properties too.  They have been used as tombs for nobles and Bishops, places of religious instruction etc.  However, the purpose of their design is symbolic and utilitarian.  They are designed to induce a state of consciousness and sound is part of the method for doing this.  Modern churches are a pathetic imitation of the great Gothic Cathedrals just as the later Pyramids were poor imitations of the Great Pyramid.

The upshot is the Great Pyramid was an device designed to facilitate a complete transformation in the consciousness of a neophyte/initiate and sound played a part in the process.

P.S.  I have reviewed Christopher Dunne's work and I agree with him that they had SONIC technology.  They were pretty good MASONS too.  You could call them MASONIC.  Just a thought.... What would I know?

ETA:  No, I'm not a Freemason.  Just a clever boy.
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: biggles on October 18, 2011, 05:39:53 PM
I have heard of this before.  I also read that most of the pyramids were made by acoustic levitation which obviously can be done re: Coral Castle and I wonder what that guy did with his knowledge of it and where he got it from 8)

Obviously the priests of the time of the pyramids were able to levitate the stones into place so a connection to their faith/religion/esoteric knowledge at the time had a lot to do with their technology.

But at this time? which we are not sure of, the Giza plateau looked a lot different with boats on the water surrounding it.

What do you think A51.
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: Pimander on October 18, 2011, 06:41:50 PM
Yeah, come on A51. Are you going down the industrial production of the Special Gold (Lawrence Gardiner style) or what?  I've seen the evidence of some of the South or Central American pyramids used for that purpose...

Could the pyramid have been used for both harmonics and chemistry?
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 18, 2011, 07:00:25 PM

I included Cris's work to solidify a couple of different points.

Primarily, that these were clearly not backward primitive people who lived in superstition.

They possessed a level of technology that we still marvel at, and are jealous of today.

Meaning that - if they had wished to decorate any part of the GP they could have easily done so. They chose NOT to.

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The upshot is the Great Pyramid was an device designed to facilitate a complete transformation in the consciousness of a neophyte/initiate and sound played a part in the process.

I am not so sure of that. I have seen that theory before and looked into it, and I find it lacking in a few area's.

I am investigating a new area, in just the last year a new theory finally dawned on me, and all the parts seem to fit...


Let's drop down into the basement of the GP for a moment.

I think we can reasonably assume that this area is NOT 'unfinished', but is instead exactly as it is supposed to be.

If that is indeed the case, we then have to ask what is the primary feature in this area? What is the reason for this room to be constructed?


 
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 18, 2011, 07:38:03 PM

But at this time? which we are not sure of, the Giza plateau looked a lot different with boats on the water surrounding it.

That is a very good point biggles.

When trying out various possibilities of theories, we need to not only consider them in desert conditions, but also the further back we go, in wet fertile times.

I think this overhead lithograph helps give us a clear picture of what it looked like in those times:

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/overhead.jpg)


A bit hard for us to imagine the GP and the Sphinx as being on a coastline, but there it is.
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: biggles on October 18, 2011, 09:19:33 PM
Your point about it being like the game mouse trap.  That game rolls dice until finally your captured when the little cage comes down, long long time since I played it, cant remember exactly.


But we're concentrating on the basement right, where there are no heiroglyphics and nothing else, just a plain room.?
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 18, 2011, 09:44:17 PM
Your point about it being like the game mouse trap.  That game rolls dice until finally your captured when the little cage comes down, long long time since I played it, cant remember exactly.

Yes, the part that I am comparing to, is when you get to turn the handle, which sets in motion that ball rolling down the slide, which then triggers another event, and that one another, on and on until the cage finally comes settling down. Then you have to reset all those parts in order for it to work again.

I think those 3 slabs (and the 4rth) are not the only moving parts in the GP. There are still a few more that need to be returned to their original position also.

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But we're concentrating on the basement right, where there are no heiroglyphics and nothing else, just a plain room.?

Yes that is correct. But it is -more- than just a plain room. What is in that room?
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: biggles on October 18, 2011, 10:29:17 PM
The room is an entrance to something else and if all the pieces were in place and were able to work, you could get into that entrance from the basement.?
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: Pimander on October 19, 2011, 08:46:36 AM
There is what appears to be a well in the "basement.  That would have allowed water up (via the then underwater caves) and into the superstructure of the GP.  However, for water to trigger a "mousetrap game" cascade there would need to be water hight up into  the pyramid than the old water line.  How would it get there?
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 19, 2011, 05:23:49 PM
The room is an entrance to something else and if all the pieces were in place and were able to work, you could get into that entrance from the basement.?

I don't think having the pieces back in place would do anything to give us access to anywhere.


There is what appears to be a well in the "basement.  That would have allowed water up (via the then underwater caves) and into the superstructure of the GP.  However, for water to trigger a "mousetrap game" cascade there would need to be water hight up into  the pyramid than the old water line.  How would it get there?

I agree. A rather elaborate structure for a simple well I must say. I can think of no reason for this to be a well, and point well taken that a well would not rise above the old water line. 

But yes this IS the primary feature of this room.

So let's turn it around. What if then instead, it were a drain?

Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 19, 2011, 10:29:38 PM

We have known for long time that the Giza plateau consists of:


(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/image021.jpg)


a large section of limestone bedrock.


But in the last decade it has now come to light that under the surface this bedrock is riddled with caves and tunnels.

So if one were to begin drilling on the Giza plateau, you could reasonably expect to run into one of these tunnels.


 

 
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: Lunica on October 20, 2011, 09:28:22 AM
hi A51Watcher,

What a nice thread this is.

Since there is a lot of evidence the specific placement of the three pyramids, the Sphinx and also a lot of other pyramids look to have some correleation with the stars. The Bauval theorie, Orion. The Sphinx and the Leo constellation at 10.500 B.C. etc...

Like:
(http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z333/Lunica-Pegasus/starmap.jpg)
www.hiddenrecords.com

Do you think it has some importance in the purpose for the pyramids?

OK

I want to inform you about this. Maybe you know this and just dismiss it. Or maybe this is the first time you actually see it.
Well, in my opinion there ARE "paintings" inside the pyramid...

Looking at these paintings you see they resemble no hieroglyphs, but rather something Indian like. Burned/carved in the granite :)

Bryan A. Hokom from Italy discovered them in 2008 and posted it on a forum (http://www.hallofmaat.com/read.php?6,500423 (http://www.hallofmaat.com/read.php?6,500423)) and in some magazine I did not yet traced. :(
Shortly after this he revoke it all! Just because he is a real scientist, lol, and other scientists did not go with him, it looked best to just revoke them.  To bad I didnt save the images, and only have one example left.

An elephants head and to the right a hippo.
(http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z333/Lunica-Pegasus/KQueenGD.jpg)

(http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z333/Lunica-Pegasus/Kingschamber1.jpg)

(http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z333/Lunica-Pegasus/blindpeoplevj8.jpg)

Maybe some piece of the puzzle.

I think there are three main questions to be answered.
1. The purpose of the pyramids? Like for instance a "technical" device as stated in this thread
2. Who made them?
3. Why are they placed at the way they are?

I am curious to see this thread develop.
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 20, 2011, 06:26:56 PM
The room is an entrance to something else and if all the pieces were in place and were able to work, you could get into that entrance from the basement.?

biggles, I wanted to mention that I did notice that your idea and comment above shows you have been paying very close attention and have read John Cadman's page and links in detail.

I recall that there was mention there, of echoes of voices of the tourists above, that could be heard that appeared to be coming from the rear area of this room.

This may be true but I have not seen any pictures or evidence of any other entrance into this room other than "the descending passage".

Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: sky otter on October 20, 2011, 07:46:01 PM

just to clarify

i did ask for my post in this thread to be removed as i felt they did not add anything to the discussion
thank you
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: SarK0Y on October 20, 2011, 08:10:38 PM
i'm ready to bet the Creators of GP's have walked on Earth so far :)
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 20, 2011, 08:18:33 PM
Hi Lunica,

Welcome aboard and thanks for sharing that info. Sharing ideas is how we all arrive at a larger understanding.




Since there is a lot of evidence the specific placement of the three pyramids, the Sphinx and also a lot of other pyramids look to have some correleation with the stars. The Bauval theorie, Orion.


Yes that was an interesting one.

I then realized it would be a simple matter to overlay a telescope photo of Orion on top of an overhead view of the Giza area using photoshop, and was curious to see if any other items of interest would match up.

But instead I discovered that:

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/orion-gizaMergeMark.jpg)


No matter how you resize the image, or rotate it, or flip it over...
it never matches up.

As you can see, the margin of error is quite large, not something I would expect from such normally extremely precise builders.   


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The Sphinx and the Leo constellation at 10.500 B.C. etc...

Yes that one also appeared interesting at the time but I have not investigated that one for myself.



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Do you think it has some importance in the purpose for the pyramids?


The line of investigation I am pursuing at the moment does not appear to factor that in.

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I want to inform you about this. Maybe you know this and just dismiss it. Or maybe this is the first time you actually see it.
Well, in my opinion there ARE "paintings" inside the pyramid...

Looking at these paintings you see they resemble no hieroglyphs, but rather something Indian like. Burned/carved in the granite :)

Maybe some piece of the puzzle.

No I had not 'seen' those before.

As you say, "they resemble no hieroglyphs", and look rather more like seeing shapes in clouds to my eye.

But I do thank you for sharing those, I am always interested to see something new.

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I think there are three main questions to be answered.

1. The purpose of the pyramids? Like for instance a "technical" device as stated in this thread
2. Who made them?
3. Why are they placed at the way they are?

I hope to answer a few of those as we move along, unless my observations are just sheer lunacy on my part.  ;)
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: SarK0Y on October 20, 2011, 08:22:11 PM
did someone ever look at the GP's as analog computer???
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 20, 2011, 08:47:42 PM
Now as far as having to drill down into the Giza plateau to reach one of those tunnels, wouldn't it be nice if there were already a natural pre- existing one there we could make use of?

Perhaps one below ground in a cave.

(http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_piramide/piramide11_15_small.jpg)


This one would seem to fit the bill nicely.

I would also note that all the natural features in this room appear to be quite eroded, as if by... water.

Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 21, 2011, 06:39:43 PM
And while the original natural features appear to be eroded, the newer straight- edge carved features appear to be in much better shape.

And why the marble slabs lining the drain?

Perhaps the original one did not provide an airtight seal. Or maybe they wanted to make sure it did not collapse.

In any case it was deemed important enough to line the walls of the shaft with massive marble slabs.

Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 21, 2011, 06:50:21 PM

And so this is now the heart of the matter.

Why would one of The Seven Wonders of The World, have a giant drain in the basement??  :o

What could they possibly be expecting down here??...

Considering what most of the clues have pointed us to so far, let's examine the possibility of - "Well... water of course."


Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 21, 2011, 07:19:36 PM
Note that yet once again, there are no adornments to the walls of any kind in the basement. No paintings or stone carvings.

And so at this point, we have established where the water goes out, where does it come from?

Point A - would be the shaft leading down from the entrance into the basement at a steep angle:

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/25%20-%20ba24f71addb7_zpso4v24iyp.jpg)


Note how without the handrails and steps installed for tourists, you originally would either have to take an exciting toboggan sled ride, or use a rope to lower yourself to the basement.

In any case I don't see initiates or royalty climbing down and up this shaft for any reason. (No adornments on the walls here either.)

It appears no concern was given to people being able use this shaft to access the basement. No reason to go down there.

But it certainly fits the bill of being able to provide water to the basement.


     
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: sky otter on October 21, 2011, 07:50:50 PM
A51

could you consider this

that the GP was way old when the biblical flood occured and they had to knock a hole in it to drain
the water..thus a rough  what-looks-to-be-unfinished hole down there

my f-i-l  did that very same thing in  his basement years and years ago..the coal bin was built over a large rock and the water would come into the basement thur the coal door and he punched some holes thur the concrete to let it out...
didn't make any sense to me at all but hubby says it worked

as far as placement i have read several theories about it being the center of the planet via some measurement of mass and that it is ten times smaller than the planet in some type of percent ratio..sorry i can't remember specifically
also the devil's triangle and the bermuda triangle are in roughtly the same parellel 25th, i think
as the GP..which makes me go with some type of magnetics/harmonics that we aren't yet able to figure out
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: SarK0Y on October 21, 2011, 08:44:57 PM

Why would one of The Seven Wonders of The World, have a giant drain in the basement??  :o
why does it so wonder you? to not allow water to be in the base of building is obvious goal, if Creators were making buildings for thousands yrs to stand.
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 21, 2011, 09:49:45 PM
A51

could you consider this

that the GP was way old when the biblical flood occured and they had to knock a hole in it to drain
the water..thus a rough  what-looks-to-be-unfinished hole down there

Yes sky otter...

I think you (we) are getting very close to the answer now. Thoughts somewhat along those lines obviously occurred to me and are where we are heading at this point, however I think there was no need to knock a hole in it. I think it was preset and ready to go when the expected event came.

We will now continue to explore the in's and out's of how this mechanism connects and would be regulated. 

Quote
my f-i-l  did that very same thing in  his basement years and years ago..the coal bin was built over a large rock and the water would come into the basement thur the coal door and he punched some holes thur the concrete to let it out...
didn't make any sense to me at all but hubby says it worked

Yes the actual plumbing aspects much be taken into consideration when exploring this possibility. I will include these.

Quote
as far as placement i have read several theories about it being the center of the planet via some measurement of mass and that it is ten times smaller than the planet in some type of percent ratio..sorry i can't remember specifically also the devil's triangle and the bermuda triangle are in roughtly the same parellel 25th, i think
as the GP..which makes me go with some type of magnetics/harmonics that we aren't yet able to figure out

It might also be something as simple as using one location for it's proximity and height to move a body of water from that location to another.


Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 21, 2011, 10:24:14 PM
why does it so wonder you? to not allow water to be in the base of building is obvious goal, if Creators were making buildings for thousands yrs to stand.

Well for one - we have no other examples of drains in their other structures.

For two - we have no evidence that standing for thousands of years was the primary purpose of this structure, but instead was something much more practical.



Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 21, 2011, 11:10:04 PM
And so we have traced the source back up to a junction, where we must now consider which path to take:

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/water2junction.gif) 

The path straight ahead leads to the original 'entrance' if you will, which was of course closed, so our source would not appear to come from here.

We must then choose the other path above, leading to the 'grand gallery'. 

Bit of a problem though, we are now confronted by:


(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/8ingallery.jpg)

Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: SarK0Y on October 22, 2011, 11:44:29 AM
A51Watcher

1. some GP's could share the same drain systems.
2. some caves can be hidden against seismic, sonic & other ways to scan.
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 23, 2011, 01:38:56 PM
-continued-


... the granite 'plugs'.

In order to continue to test the validity of a water source, we will need to set these plugs aside for a moment. Let's attach a rope to each one of those 3 monsters and pull them back up out of that narrow passage:

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/31%20-%20a512e93607af_zpsv5etx2u7.jpg)


Now that we have them out of that narrow part, where are we to put them?

Well now look at that... how very convenient! -

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/29%20-%20025a17e0017a_zpsr2egpujt.jpg)

A stone trough just the perfect size to fit these granite plugs in! What an amazing coincidence!  :o

Sarcasm aside, any Winter Olympic Athlete standing here looking up, would of course be impressed with what a fine ski ramp or bob- sled run this would be. And these 3 plugs were obviously at the end of it.

If they were originally pulled up this trough using ropes, certainly a rest break would be needed every so often. That would of course require some wooden posts and holes in the floor to stick them in.

Oh look! We HAVE divots in the -floor and walls- to put them in!

(http://www.greatpyramidexplanation.com/easyUp/image//great_pyramid_40.jpg)


What a coincidence!  ;D

Thus explaining why they needed to be covered back up again before our Winter Olympics event began!


But better yet, what if we did not need people pulling these ropes? What if we had a nice series of pulley's and counterweights at the top of the ramp to pull them up?

Oh that's right... we DO!

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/GreatP6.jpg)

And there just happens to be 3 of them to match our 3 plugs. What luck!


Judging by the size of the slots in the wall in which the counter- weights operate, it appears they could move about 6 ft. at a time before having to stop and start over.


...and oh look! - the  divot holes in the floor of the ramp appear to be spaced about that exact same length!

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/29%20-%20025a17e0017a_zpsr2egpujt.jpg)


What a coincidence!   ;)

(and oh yeah, there are no adornments on the walls here either!)   ;D


Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 25, 2011, 11:00:32 PM
Having now cleared our water source blockage, we are now faced with 3 granite plugs suspended in place at the top of this ramp, attached to a pulley and counter- weight system.

Was this an ancient Magic Mountain ride for the kids? You sit on a plug and cut the rope and go for a ride?

Not hardly.

As you can see when you would reach the narrow part of the passage the plug would continue but you would not.

In practical terms, it would appear a compression effect was being sought here. A very big one. Pointed down a shaft towards a drain.

It would appear the mousetrap game cascade effect is now ready to be set in motion.

 
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 28, 2011, 08:09:51 PM
And so having arrived at the top of the ramp with no viable source of water for the drain, it would appear that the entire passage up from the basement to this point was intended to be the source of water to the drain.

And so the only source left to us at this point is in 'the king's chamber' -

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/giza-water2.jpg)

... the 'air vents'...


Where there is no disagreement that these have always been open to the outside as part of the original construction. The original entrance was not and so would not be the source.


Which of course means that to reach the air vents the water level outside the GP would have to have been at least high enough to make this:

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/send-gp2.jpg)

look like this:

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/send-gp3.jpg)


for water to even begin to enter the GP.

 :o

So we can safely assume the actual level would have been even higher.

 :o

In any case, we are obviously dealing with quite a flood.


THE Great Flood perhaps?





Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: sky otter on October 29, 2011, 10:01:29 AM
Well i caught the tail end of one of the ancient aliens programs last week and this thought has been perculating in my brain off and on since then...i hope i can articulate it clearly..

as to the placement of the GP.
several conversations/theories about it being in the middle of the land mass of the planet...and i have no argument with that
and
if you consider some of the functions of a pryamid shape in general i think most would agree to it's power..if not to the type or use of that power

soooooo
what if..(my thought processes always work in a what if scenario)
the purpose of putting a power instrument in the center of the land mass on a planet was to stabilize said planets rotation and/or it's placement in the universe
you can argue about the why's of it later
most of the found pryamid shapes are in the same latitude circuventing the planet

 
and what if
the placement of these structures also acted as some type of gps device for ???
? incomeing entities
? calls home
? info on the electro pulse rythums of the planet
? use as an auto -pilot


just some thoughts
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 30, 2011, 09:03:56 AM
...if you consider some of the functions of a pryamid shape in general i think most would agree to it's power..if not to the type or use of that power

I have seen claims of pyramid shape keeping razorblades sharp and preserving food, but I have not seen any evidence of a pyramid producing measurable voltage or power on it's own. Am I missing something?

Quote

and what if
the placement of these structures also acted as some type of gps device for ???
? incomeing entities
? calls home
? info on the electro pulse rythums of the planet
? use as an auto -pilot

just some thoughts

Neat idea but in practical terms I do not see how they could function as a gps.

A giant visual landmark perhaps yes, but again I see no voltages being produced here.

Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: sky otter on October 30, 2011, 10:18:50 AM

well  there are some things out there i have no proof of but i know/feel/intuit them
and
i used gps because it's known use as a locating device and i don't have the specific term that would otherwise work..very limited with vocabulary

and as far as voltage produced..you are totally correct as far as the third (our) dimension goes..
but just what do we REALLY know about the others or the space folk.....only bits and pieces

so while i would in most cases be right beside you in only considering solid provable things..on this one i am willing to step outta the proof box and do the what if exercise
 ;D
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 30, 2011, 10:33:05 AM
No harm in that.  ;)

Exploring 'what if' idea's is how John Anthony West came upon his amazing discovery.
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 30, 2011, 11:03:33 AM

What a very odd drain we are confronted with at this point -

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/giza-water2.jpg)


One whose inlet is WAY above ground is certainly very curious.

Was it to only drain a huge flood down to that point, and then stop?


Why not just have an old fashioned drain at ground level  for this purpose, why was this immense structure needed, along with this pulley and counter- weight system attached to huge granite plugs?


Perhaps because sometimes a drain is called for that is not quite a drain, without a little help?



(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/hydraulics.jpg)


Anybody ever siphon gas before?


Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: sky otter on October 30, 2011, 04:51:12 PM


ok..maybe this is a stupid question but don't you need some type of vent so the water moves?
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 30, 2011, 05:46:27 PM

ok..maybe this is a stupid question but don't you need some type of vent so the water moves?

Depends on what you men by a vent.

We have 2 vents at the moment called 'air shafts'.
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: sky otter on October 30, 2011, 05:51:09 PM


well going back to the pic  with the Gp almost covered in water..all the air vents are under water also
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 30, 2011, 06:43:27 PM

well going back to the pic  with the Gp almost covered in water..all the air vents are under water also

Ok I see what you mean.

The answer is your siphon actually requires your inlet to be under water, otherwise it will not function.

Trying to siphon air does not work. It only works on liquids because it relies on gravity and the larger weight due to the larger amount in the downhill side to function.



Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 31, 2011, 11:18:24 AM

Those familiar with the siphon process -


(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/hydraulics.jpg)


... will recall that in order to start the drain flowing, it requires one to take the end of the hose from the lower bucket and suck enough fluid through until it rises up past the hump at the top and down the other side, at which point gravity takes over and the drain will continue to flow on it's own.

Why was this type of drain called for?

Because the 'hose' being used in this case is actually the underground natural tunnels in the limestone bedrock which very likely run up and downhill several times before reaching their final destination, thus requiring a siphon in order to act as a drain pipe.

Obviously we have no practical way for someone to suck on the end of our tunnel to start this drain, but if we refer to the siphon diagram we can see there is still one option open to us.

If we could say, talk a leprechaun into swimming in our upper bucket and blowing into the beginning of our hose, the net effect would be the same. 

In the case of the GP, sending 3 massive granite plugs shooting down the beginning of our hose would surely produce the desired effect.

Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on November 09, 2011, 11:26:49 PM
And so... with the GP now up to it's eyeballs in water and the interior completely flooded, what would trigger the pulley and counter- weight mechanism to release the granite plugs?

It would appear that raising the 3 slabs to their full height (allowing the ropes attached to the plugs to unwind and release) would not require much strength to do so considering the mechanism they are  attached to.

Having lived next to a large river that runs through the center of the city for most of my life, it was fairly easy to imagine what could have automatically lifted these slabs once flooding had occurred.


(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/rollway2.jpg)



(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/rollway.gif)


Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on May 07, 2013, 02:21:49 AM
So let's see, where was I, before being distracted by my home video discoveries?  ;D


Oh yes, our 3 granite plugs had been released and come hurling down the shaft, creating the needed push of liquid over the hump in our giant siphon pump.

At the same time, they have now blocked off the source of our liquid.

The liquid already in the line will now continue to hang there due to gravity tugging on it until an opening is created at the source and the pump can continue.


So where would this 2nd opening be located?

Perhaps this image gives us a clue -

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/23%20-%201e678c31942f_zps1bp2bklq.jpg)


This image would seem to indicate that the original door and opening would be the source for the drain, lowering the flood level to the darkened area.

How could this function?

According to verbal legend of the GP passed down through generations of locals, the original door and entrance to the GP was so well positioned and balanced, you could push it open with one finger if you knew the correct place to push.

This then would allow the pressure of flood water pressing in from outside, as well as the suction tugging from the inside to open the door and allow the pumping to resume until the water level comes down to the level of the doorway.


There is however another possible source for our drain.


This one has generally gone un-noticed and is at ground level on the back side (east) of the Great Pyramid. -


(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Morph/Egypt/shaft2x_zpsf943cb4c.gif)

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Morph/Egypt/shaft3x_zpsa6568e0d.gif) 


There is a one meter iron fence surrounding the top of the shaft on all four sides. This fence is elevated on a stone ledging approx 12 inches high. To look over the fence and down into the shaft, you need to step up on the concrete ledge. Or you can peer through the bars of the fence.

The shaft is actually two shafts, or has two halfs, divided by a center rough 'wall' which does not reach to the top of the shaft. The center wall runs east/west. This can be clearly seen in photo "shaft1.jpg". The shaft is approx 5 meters deep at current depth. Wind-blown sand covers the remainder depth. Wind also blows in debris and trash, which is removed from the area frequently. The glass soda bottle on the center wall can give a visual reference of the approx size of the shaft and within.

http://www.gizapower.com/Articles/door.html (http://www.gizapower.com/Articles/door.html)



I contend this shaft connects directly to the basement, supported by basement visitors claims of being able to hear voices (like that of other tourists) coming from high and to the back of the chamber.


I submit that either or both of these locations are the intended source locations for the drain to drain the flooding down to either entrance level or ground level.





Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on May 07, 2013, 02:52:48 AM



Leftover drainage remnants of the ground level shaft sucking up the last of the flood water on the back side? -


(http://www.world-mysteries.com/alignments/mpl_al_gp1.jpg)



Inquiring minds want to know!  8)




Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: robomont on May 07, 2013, 09:45:55 AM
looks like more egyptology goin on in the usa than in egypt.
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 17, 2013, 08:02:58 PM

That appears to be true robo.

I think I was releasing a new Area 51 video at the time and missed your comment.


 
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 17, 2013, 08:23:55 PM



Here is a video I doubt many have seen which shows us an octpus of connecting tunnels below ground.



[youtube]Ba6G9vyhVFU[/youtube]


[youtube]vihLxTVGJ3Y[/youtube]


[youtube]MKjGbCJfb9w[/youtube]


[youtube]1HwvsOmmh3Q[/youtube]



Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 17, 2013, 09:06:37 PM


Here is another video concerning sites not normally seen in Egypt -



[youtube]Ez2TA6VYyuQ[/youtube]


[youtube]8xVYrzbBfKE[/youtube]



Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 20, 2013, 02:27:09 PM


Hey Undo -


Where do think the Kametians fit into the timeline of the Giza complex.


Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on October 20, 2013, 03:20:49 PM
Oh yes, i remember the laser-drilled holes from Von Daniken.. ::)

Cool post, whish we could send a team there to report on it..............
-PWM-
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 20, 2013, 03:57:02 PM
Oh yes, i remember the laser-drilled holes from Von Daniken.. ::)

Cool post, whish we could send a team there to report on it..............
-PWM-

Indeed. Sadly... at the moment we have to rely on video and photos taken before the current troubles.

I find the system of created shafts shown above to be very interesting.


Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: robomont on October 20, 2013, 04:50:21 PM
what if google did a "street view" setup on all those tunnels.
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 20, 2013, 04:54:26 PM


I would love to see that robo.

I don't think anyone has surveyed them all yet.
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: VillageIdiot on October 22, 2013, 02:50:42 PM
Enjoyed the hell out of this thread. Got me thinking that the Egyptians, or their predecessors, discovered free energy. Maybe Tesla was second.

Just saw zorgon's thread. I'm always a day late and a dollar short.  :P
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 22, 2013, 06:17:14 PM


Thanks VI,

If Chris Dunn is correct, they indeed discovered free energy.

I find this new discovery of carved out underground tunnels fascinating, as far I know no one has ever covered them before.


Yet once again water seems to be the key.

I have asked Z to take a look at this new video and comment, I'm sure he will once he can free up some time.


I note robo seems to have picked up on the implications of this find.


 

Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 22, 2013, 06:25:42 PM


P.S. I bet that photographer is now regretting not taking his guide up on his offer of going down to the third level.

Who knows how long we will have to wait now.


Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: Amaterasu on January 06, 2014, 12:40:16 PM
Here's an interesting YouT find relating tp pyramids and water...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1y8N0ePuF8[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1y8N0ePuF8
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on March 06, 2014, 12:15:08 PM
Just passing through....

Quote
Yet once again water seems to be the key.

Yes, water is far more precious than we think;

1. we can't live without it, it sustains all life on the planet.

2. it has a memory

3. You can split & burn it to run your car, using less power than a decent car stereo. Physicists say it cant be done but we proved it countless times.

4. you can also fuse the hydrogen (or isotopes thereof), one gallon of seawater can power new york for a month at least.

5. it is also a 'transport medium' in itself, check Matrix Traveller's threads for more info.

6. Crop circles always form over water tables or underground aquifers..........

Now to watch that film, byeeeee :D
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on March 06, 2014, 12:50:33 PM
Oh yes, i forgot that one,
7) water is always level with the earth's surface......duh, me & my complex answers.... ???
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on October 19, 2014, 11:24:03 AM



[youtube]oqQuhyEmzE8[/youtube]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqQuhyEmzE8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqQuhyEmzE8)



Pictures taken by the robot here -

http://emhotep.net/2012/03/07/locations/lower-egypt/giza-plateau-lower-egypt/the-djedi-project-the-next-generation-in-robotic-archaeology/ (http://emhotep.net/2012/03/07/locations/lower-egypt/giza-plateau-lower-egypt/the-djedi-project-the-next-generation-in-robotic-archaeology/)



Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on December 28, 2015, 11:48:42 PM
As we arrive at the top of the grand gallery, we find that the very top step exhibits quite a bit of wear -

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/Great-Step-Wear_zpsbhbkv3v5.jpg)


Which, some genius thoughtfully put a nice repair job on for us   ::) -
 
(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/download_zpsruopzer7.jpg)


Once we are on the top step, we now face the entrance to the Antechamber which also displays an equal amount of wear -

(http://www.eridu.co.uk/Author/egypt/AntechamberWall2.gif)


And here again some genius in more recent times decided to 'repair' this damage -

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Pyramid/21%20-%2004c1b683b64b_zps7ctkhpwg.jpg)


So this area which we suspect is where the ropes between the counterweights, and the stones in the groove of the Grand Gallery moved up and down, obviously got a huge workout to display so much wear and tear. 


A method required for the Granite sections of the Pyramid (King's chamber and above it) as opposed to the Limestone sections?

As we have seen, the Grand Gallery and Antechamber counterweights are perfectly set up to raise large blocks 6 feet at a time.


Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: zorgon on December 29, 2015, 12:17:50 AM
Oh yes, i forgot that one,
7) water is always level with the earth's surface......duh, me & my complex answers.... ???

That is not possible as we live on a sphere.. Water tends to form a shere on its own  We only see 'level' in short distances but in reality 10 feet either direction would not be precisely the same. This concept of 'level' water is the arguement that the Flat Earthers use to prove the Earth is flat

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Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: Littleenki on December 29, 2015, 10:53:38 AM
Water, contained will always have a meniscus, unless it is unconstrained, whereas it will seek a spherical form. Simple stuff really....but here it is...

.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meniscus (http://.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meniscus)

Flat Earth is facebook fodder for those who wish to go backwards in time.

Steven Myers suggests the Gp was a water pump, and looking at the many images of pre-repaired areas of the GP it does seem to have some sort of technological use or purpose, since it appears to have wear and damage from use, but aside from that, Egyptologists will continue to stick to the tomb theory which has stagnated research due to cultural issues of disturbing tombs and graves, and unethical antiquities ministers...cant spell Hawass without ASS.

Chris Dunn says it was an hho generator of sorts, the new age crowd likes to believe it was a communication device or energy channeler, or one of a thousand new agey explanations....but the sheer immensity and accuracy of the distinct parts of the Gp tell us it was mechanical, electrical, magnetic, or all three in nature.

Tis the nature of the unknown, those who profess to know, end all progress, while impeding the progress of those who wish to know...
 
Cheers!
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on January 03, 2016, 12:52:59 AM


Well Le, there is certainly no shortage of theories as you mentioned.

However none of them appear to account for the exposed machinery in the Pyramid.

- In the basement room, the only thing found is a huge marble lined drain.

All we can deduce from this is - somebody was expecting a lot of water.

- The unadorned rough cut passageway with no stairs leading down here was obviously the expected route for this water.

Now the 2nd half of this passageway called the grand gallery is not rough cut. It's primary feature is a slot in the center that starts at the very top and ends where it meets the connecting descending passage.

At this point we find the granite plugs that were created the perfect size to slide all the way down this slot to the bottom, and apparently did so.


Those are the mechanical facts staring us in the face that must be accounted for by any theory proposed.

   
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: Irene on September 23, 2016, 09:38:57 PM
Interesting thread. I think that well in antiquity it was a tomb.

The people at that time didn't want whatever was in there to get out. They assured this by installing four huge slabs at the entrance to the "King's Chamber", which could only be opened from the outside.

They dropped huge blocks into place to bar access to the Gallery and laid more huge blocks to conceal the entrance.

They left no decorations or hieroglyphics inside or out because they didn't want whatever it was remembered and they didn't want whatever it was in the afterlife with them.
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on September 23, 2016, 10:58:44 PM

Interesting idea Irene!

I look forward to you sharing more of your theory with us.

 8)


Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: robomont on November 05, 2016, 08:11:16 PM
i wasnt goingvto go through all the post and i may have already posted this but ill post it anyways.
when i was at lop a while back we hacked the pyramid and i hacked the sphinx,or part of it.the great pyramid was the first haarp tool.a poster on youtube showed the pyramid generated microwave.i validated this when i saw the oval tunnel as microwave uses this same shape for coax sometimes when polarizing microwave .
i measured out thecrest of the tunnels and verified they to were microwave conduit via measurements of wide side and compared it to bandwidths of microwave.i can tell you the exact frequencies they were using.the water chamber created the first resonance.
santorini volcano was set off by this thus starting an ice age 3600 years ago that melted and created the great flood.joseph was taught this by his dad and used it to create the drought that forced his family to move to egypt.
then joseph was reincarnated as moses and moses used it for his miracles by barely setting santorini  off.

the sphinx is anubis and the tip of the pyramid lined up with anubis nose which when lined up to the ground points to the entrance of the secret library which sets either under the gift shop or the neighborhood next door.
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: Irene on November 05, 2016, 08:25:00 PM
Quote
. . . Santorini volcano was set off by this thus starting an ice age 3600 years ago that melted and created the great flood . . .

The last Ice Age, the Wisconsin glaciation, ended between 12,000 and 10,000 BC.
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: robomont on November 05, 2016, 08:56:33 PM
tree ring data says otherwise
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: Irene on November 05, 2016, 09:18:23 PM
It's pretty likely that the evidence of water erosion in the area of the Sphinx at Giza corroborates the dates I cited.

Do you have links to your tree ring data?
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: robomont on November 05, 2016, 09:24:54 PM
no i do not.im embarassed to say but a google search of 3600 year earth cycle will pull up some interesting things.
when we did the research,it was pulled up and i saw it.im thinking it was trees in like turkey or greece.ill dig and see what i csn find.
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: robomont on November 05, 2016, 09:27:23 PM
it was called a little ice age,i goo it using words 3600 tree ring  ice age.filled up my page.
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: zorgon on November 05, 2016, 09:28:20 PM
It's pretty likely that the evidence of water erosion in the area of the Sphinx at Giza corroborates the dates I cited.

Do you have links to your tree ring data?

Dunno about Tree rings but Ice Core samples from Lake Vostock show THIS

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Seas/415k-year-temp-graph.jpg)
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: Irene on November 05, 2016, 09:45:41 PM
Speaking of Vostok, things went pretty quiet down there after the Russians penetrated it. I'd be interested to see their recent data, but they seem to be sitting on it.
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: robomont on November 05, 2016, 10:03:45 PM
more like parking a giant lead block.dead silence.silence speaks volumes.one of my primary mind hacking tricks.it raises more red flags than a lie.
Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on July 24, 2017, 10:40:15 AM
(http://www.historyinsidepictures.com/siteimages/L22.gif)


Electricity in Ancient Egypt starts at 27:00 -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FTi2tw8fsk

Title: Re: Observations on The Sphinx and The Great Pyramid of Giza
Post by: A51Watcher on November 30, 2017, 09:24:31 PM


At 26:15 we see that my hunch was correct about a nice smooth ramp originally, all the way down the grand gallery to the granite plug holes -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiE0KNr7QB8