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Title: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: petrus4 on February 04, 2018, 06:18:19 PM
There's a particular web site called Voat.co.  Initially, it looked like a promising alternative to the admittedly stifling political correctness of Reddit.  However, pretty much every day I go there recently, on the front page I'm greeted with obscenities like this:-

https://voat.co/v/technology/2334225

(https://imgoat.com/uploads/e9fc289c3f/82007.jpg)

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/02/breakingblack-lives-matter-antifa-block-trains-super-bowl-stadium-video/

The conclusion that I am drawing from this, is that the American population has apparently divided itself into two groups.  One of said groups can only be described as a caricature of Stalinist Communism, in which censorship is the reflexive response to the expression of any idea outside a narrow status quo, and where the extinction of the previous white Christian monoculture is apparently genuinely being sought.

The other is an equally vile, sick resurgence of white supremacist neo-Nazism, which seeks any form of pseudo-scientific support it can find, to support the idea that white men alone should supposedly be permitted to subjugate not only the rest of humanity, but also the entirety of carbon based life.

A large part of the reason for my apostasy from Christianity in 2007, was conscientious objection to the type of Jewish supremacy which is explicitly advocated in the Book of Revelation.  More broadly, I have always held the belief that no single human ethnic, religious, or other form of social or political group, should be in any way permitted to unilaterally, coercively dictate the destiny of humanity as a whole.  This includes white men.  It includes black women.  It includes Jews, Muslims, Christians, and Atheists.  It includes Capitalists and Communists.  It includes Native Americans.  It includes homosexuals.  It includes heterosexuals.  It includes transhumanists.  It includes literally every human group that exists.

As a result of this, I am disgusted and horrified by the apparent condition of contemporary American society, at least as it appears to me online.  LittleEnki tried to tell me recently that the perception which I had gained of America online was wrong; but if that is the case, then why is there so much of the above kind of material online?

What is the future of America as a country?  What kind of future can it have, when its' society seems to consist entirely of a variety of coercive, subjugatory cults, all screaming and attempting to employ various kinds of violence in their insane attempts to dominate everyone else?

I would appreciate it if LittleEnki would return and explain the above paradox to me.  That if, as he claims, American society offline is, in reality, peaceful, happy, and prosperous, then why am I seeing a constant flood of the above?  Why am I seeing video after video on YouTube showing deserted, ruinous shopping centers and even entire neighbourhoods within the interior of the country?  Why am I seeing images of tent cities, and corporations installing steel spikes outside the front entrances of their buildings, to prevent the apparent ocean of homeless people from sleeping there?
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: spacemaverick on February 04, 2018, 10:24:49 PM
Petrus,  what you see on those videos is true.  As both a former deputy and security officer I have had to work such areas within my own county here in Florida.  What you see is proof and America is going downhill in my opinion.  I hate to see it but it is true.  I am a patriot, former military service member, and former law enforcement and I am ashamed to see what is happening.  And now the citizens of our nation are divided.
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: Eighthman on February 05, 2018, 05:50:52 PM
It's all so sad.  And I believe the Deep State triggered this mess - that our nation may never recover from.

MLK realized that war (Vietnam) and poverty were connected. The NY Times and Washington Post blasted him for this.  He could have united the poor and stopped the pointless war. Instead, they killed him.

Does anyone realize that the US is imitating Afghanistan?  Opioid use and hopeless tribalism?  Worse, soon we may lead the way on the greatest divisions of all based on gender with robot sex thrown in the mix.

The best outcome I can conceive of is "Confederacy 2.0" - in which states do anything they want sort of actual secession.  Nullification on abortion and immigrants if Republicans control DC and nullification on guns if Democrats gain DC.
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: spacemaverick on February 05, 2018, 08:00:42 PM
Consider the following blueprint for destroying a culture and look what has been happening.  The same blueprint used by different supposed leaders.  It is a long video but worth the entire listen.  I remember some of the things taught in some of my old civics classes here in the USA.  This is from the mid 1980's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g&index=27&list=LLFX6Sjncv7IWX5uHGxiSAIg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g&index=27&list=LLFX6Sjncv7IWX5uHGxiSAIg)

Yuri Bezmenov (alias Tomas Schuman), a Soviet KGB defector, explains in detail his scheme for the KGB process of subversion and takeover of target societies at a lecture in Los Angeles, 1983.

Makes you go hmmmmm...
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: spacemaverick on February 05, 2018, 08:04:57 PM
http://rod522.blogspot.com/ (http://rod522.blogspot.com/)

Here on my blog, you will find other videos dealing with the very thing we are dealing with right now that had Soviet roots and I believe this continues to be used as a blueprint for what is coming from the deep state.  The article dealing also with a Soviet Major General who was to try and take down Western Society.  The article of mine is further down the page on "Pursuit of Truth News and World Commentary."
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: Littleenki on February 06, 2018, 07:10:33 AM
Well Petrus, there certainly is stuff like this in every society, America is no different, but as I pointed out before, the perception garnered by those who only view media sources and internet informational products is not what I see on a majority basis.

For centuries, black communities and white communities have lived separate for the most part, and thats just inherent tribalistic features of an ingrained psyche and also because both societies have vastly different behavior models.

Within each society, or culture, is a segment of those who do not accept the other's uniqueness or particular way of behavior.

For the most part, black and white exist in a stable form of Cultural stasis, with interactions being more or less neutral or possibly a bit to the strained side.

Stuff like this is just a select few voicing their opinion, however shocking or unflattering it might be, due to their inability to exact any form of change regarding that which they pereceive as a problem worth working on.

Our media here, and deep state now exposed, have been working for decades to keep our two cultures from intertwining, and have worked even more tirelessly to keep us all distrustful of those who are different from our particular surroundings race and culture wise.

Someone once said, when youre a child, you only see black and white, and as you grow older, you begin to perceive gray.

Sure we have disgruntled blacks, who will never let go of their fear and hate for whitey, and we have whites who will never forgive the blacks for whatever ills they feel have been brought upon themselves by said blacks..

But, as I said, on a daily basis I see these misconceptions trotted out by the media and internet sources, while in reality it is not that way but for a small percentage of each subset.

Of course, if I walk down the street in the worst part of the black neighborhood, Ill draw the ire of some who are watching, and they will think..whats wrong with that cracker..and some will think...dude must be lost...but thats just because this separation of living areas has been forced upon us by politicians and those who benefit from strained relationships between us. Gerrymandering is a big problem here, which is proof of this apparent effort by the few who wish to keep it all working for them, as it did for their parents.

And if you see a fairly average black fellow walking through a white neighborhood, ordinarily a white person will watch closer, and make mental notes of what he looks like, or what he is wearing.

These are facts, and will likely not change for a while.

The false narrative in regards to differences between the two through music and certain forms of cultural appropriation in the 80's only served to expose it all, when white suburban kids started dressing and talking like black ghetto kids, and MTV raked in the millions when the weaker minded white kids fell prey to the brainwashing..but this was all in search of more profits from musical ventures, than anything nefarious towards humanity as a whole. It backfired on the music execs, when both races started to enjoy the music of each other's culture..I actually know many black people who dont like rap or hip hop because they know it was a device to define lines between us, and I know many white people who listen to hip hop because the beats and sounds just make them feel good.

Clearly we are different here, but every single day I interact with black people, and they do with myself, and there is a general air of civility and normalcy that the internet will never display or explain.

The effort to divide is strong, and is being run by those who also run the banking and governmental entities in our world,because progress to them is a four letter word to be avoided, if their status quo is to be upheld.

To be short..the sick minds are trying to force division upon us, but the majority of us here are onto their crap, and are well aware of their schemes to divide us for the most part.

Black culture will always be more tribal and chaotic in nature, its genetic, and white will always be more likely to settle down and find a peaceful solution for our family's futures, its also genetic... these things are known...but the ability to work side by side and together for a common set of goals has not been lost like the internet and media will tell you..it is alive and well in every place but a few horrific inner cities destroyed by liberal policies which use blacks as a tool to further their insane needs and goals.

And from what I see,these liberal tactics are now exposed like the flesh of a freshly blown off limb, and the characters involved are falling like snowflakes at Berkely on an icy sidewalk.

If I could suggest one thing to you Petrus, that would be go outside and enjoy yourself with other humans..its our only hope to a new tomorrow.
Cheers!
Le
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: ArMaP on February 06, 2018, 02:02:53 PM
Americans are funny.  ;D
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: A51Watcher on February 06, 2018, 09:04:48 PM
Americans are funny.  ;D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E84VqqCPI7w


Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: space otter on February 06, 2018, 10:11:13 PM

well pets r us  i can only give you my opinion on it..trying to be as unpolitical as i can cause while  politics seems to be the jumping off point right now i don't feel that it is politics per se..if that makes any sense at all

i've been watching the finding hitler series on the history channel and have to ask how did they loose.. they really had their sh it together...was it that there was more positive energy on the planet then?

the america system of rule has three main branches that are checks and balances toward each other so that one doesn't go nuts  and take control..but right now the current owners of those  offices are eroding those checks and balances at an alarming rate (to me anyway)
making way for  a dictator to step in..i don't think that will be immediate but possible shortly
hating the press  and going as far to say not applauding the leader  was treason.. even if joking that is one scary remark
it sadly looks like a road to fascism to me

then i wonder if the nazis were the first attempt and this current world is seeing a second ( or third or?) attempt while the negative energy is so very strong at this time..

then i can honestly say most folk i know are just going about their lives as usual but with less charity towards each other
nothing openly aggressive just everyone feeling like they really have to watch their backs
politics have always had folk speaking their thoughts but not with this feel of such strong anger

what can we do.. what should we do..does it matter
pointing fingers  and calling blame on the other guy seems to be the current state but that doesn't help or solve anything

is there a hidden hand or a secret gov or some other thing running stuff.
is  it just another small thing that we are such a mess right now.. or the first domino for world  takeover stuff ? ? ? ? ?
i have no idea

i don't have any answers...just the feeling that i don't want to jump in anymore....my hermit genes are sreaming to be more hermit-like..but here i am trying to answer your question when
i really don't have any answer, but felt the need to reply anyhow

Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: spacemaverick on February 06, 2018, 10:29:52 PM
Americans are funny.  ;D

Just curious, why do you say that?
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: ArMaP on February 07, 2018, 06:58:46 AM
Just curious, why do you say that?
I find it funny, the way most Americans are always trying to point the source of the problems to something not related to themselves, while not seeing that they are part of the problem.

These days, the most common excuses are the "deep state", Russia and the mainstream media, but they always find an excuse.

In this particular case I found it funny that Littleenki said that America is no different from other societies, that the media and the "deep state" have been trying to keep the two cultures divided, but then adds that "Black culture will always be more tribal and chaotic in nature" while "white will always be more likely to settle down and find a peaceful solution for our family's futures", and that those traits are genetic.
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: The Seeker on February 07, 2018, 08:28:19 AM
It's not most Americans, ArMap, just a few noisy ones that are stirring the pot; and lil enki's comments are true to some extent, for a lot of the black races use the label of African-American; no, they were born in America, so they are American, of African descent...

It would be simpler if all the labels, whether racial, cultural, or belief based, were all dropped; it is far easier to be just people than to use a self applied label, treat everyone as just people and just be people

Drop the stereotype and burn the race card. As Otter also stated, everything right now is politically motivated and the tensions are running high; the msm and certain political factions are keeping the fire burning hot and trying to incite non stop chaos with help from foriegn sources...

I have stated before than politically I am neither Democrat or Republican, instead I am a concerned American; there are a lot out there like me
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: spacemaverick on February 07, 2018, 08:35:49 AM
I find it funny, the way most Americans are always trying to point the source of the problems to something not related to themselves, while not seeing that they are part of the problem.

These days, the most common excuses are the "deep state", Russia and the mainstream media, but they always find an excuse.

In this particular case I found it funny that Littleenki said that America is no different from other societies, that the media and the "deep state" have been trying to keep the two cultures divided, but then adds that "Black culture will always be more tribal and chaotic in nature" while "white will always be more likely to settle down and find a peaceful solution for our family's futures", and that those traits are genetic.

Oh, okay.  A lot of us have our own perception of the things that are transpiring around us.  My perception is somewhat different.  I had presented my outlook based on the videos on my blog that I posted.  The link is in this thread.  Our education system has changed over the years by way of what I call "liberal" teachers.  The way our government works has changed over the years.  We were founded as a Republic governed by laws with working checks and balances.  It morphed into Democracy (which is mob rule) and the political parties (my perception) are working for themselves and not the people.

I find our local elections are no different and they reflect the way that state and national elections are run.  They are run in a "dirty" kind of way.  Anyway, that is my perception.  Having worked in governmental jobs in various capacities over a period of 31 years, the way things are run in government have me appalled at what is and has transpired.

Thanks for the response.
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: spacemaverick on February 07, 2018, 08:36:49 AM
It's not most Americans, ArMap, just a few noisy ones that are stirring the pot; alil aaenki's comments are true to some extent, for a lot of the black races use the label of African-American; no, they were born in America, so they are American, of African descent...

It would be simpler if all the labels, whether racial, cultural, or belief based, were all dropped; it is far easier to be just people than to use a self applied label, treat everyone as just people and just be people

Drop the stereotype and burn the race card. As Otter also stated, everything right now is politically motivated and the tensions are running high; the msm and certain political factions are keeping the fire burning hot and trying to incite non stop chaos with help from foriegn sources...

I have stated before than politically I am neither Democrat or Republican, instead I am a concerned American; there are a lot out there like me

I think seeker pretty well nailed it!
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: space otter on February 07, 2018, 09:20:37 AM


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I have stated before than politically I am neither Democrat or Republican, instead I am a concerned American; there are a lot out there like me

i agree with seeker on this and (many other things)
when we dump the labels and state where and who we are  REALLY
.. we are mostly the same
and feel like Spacemaverick

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the way things are run in government have me appalled at what is and has transpired.

i have spoken with most here for a good long while- long enough to know they are good humans but words sometimes screw things up

for instance

i have always thought of myself as a liberal person..
meaning accepting of new things and open to different view points
but going with a political meaning it sounds like a am a bad person....wtf???  the labels are confusing because we interrupt things bases on our own lives  we all shade words individually and that's part of it....
i  feel a prick to my self everytime i hear the word snowflake
because i hear it differently than how it was meant..that's me and i know to step back and try to not be offended  - so i try not
to offend with my words and try even harder not to label anyone else...
we really are more alike that unalike...dang language anyhow
we all luv this country and are grateful for our lives but have different ways to say it...
sigh

sorry got off track and onto my soapbox  ::)
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: Littleenki on February 07, 2018, 09:22:20 AM

Of course we point to problems that may or may not be Americans in specific...thats how we identify causes of effects we experience...remember armap, there is a time and place to point fingers...and doing so helps those with blinders understand what all the noise is about beyond their gaze.

As for excuses....And with each day, and each memo, each discovery of such treason...it is no longer an excuse, but a reason.

As for America being no different, every nation has differing cultures within, who sometimes are polar opposites of one another, and get along or dont..just like America...so its not funny, its just reality.

Facts will be facts Armap, ignoring reality does nothing for progress, races have inherent traits, and you dont get to remove, shift, or add your ideas in to alter those traits, which are far more in depth than any personal opinion you may have on the subject....sure, just cry racism, (or point a finger as you say)..have you ever realized that what is real is unchanging, and what you perceive to be real, may be completely unreal in its entirety? hmm?
Chhers
Le
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: Littleenki on February 07, 2018, 09:29:47 AM
I think seeker pretty well nailed it!
I concur.

Le
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: ArMaP on February 07, 2018, 06:24:36 PM
It's not most Americans, ArMap, just a few noisy ones that are stirring the pot;
It's most of those that I know. Obviously, I don't know them all. ;)

And I was talking about people that point to all other possibilities except themselves as the source of the problems, and that doesn't apply only to the ones that are stirring the pot, it applies to almost everyone.

PS: Obviously, this is my opinion, based on what I have seen since I started reading and participating in Internet forums 14 years ago, so I know it's based on a specific population, the ones that participate in conspiracy forums, but it applies to most people from all sides of all topics.

PPS: I agree that labels are (and have always been) a big part of the problem. "African-American" is a good example of what I was saying, as by using that "label" both sides point to an African origin, making it sound like it's not an American problem but something that is related to Africa. It is, but very little, if it was important than why don't they call other people "European-Americans"?
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: ArMaP on February 07, 2018, 06:38:03 PM
I had presented my outlook based on the videos on my blog that I posted.  The link is in this thread.
Sorry, I don't have time to watch videos.

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Our education system has changed over the years by way of what I call "liberal" teachers.  The way our government works has changed over the years.  We were founded as a Republic governed by laws with working checks and balances.  It morphed into Democracy (which is mob rule) and the political parties (my perception) are working for themselves and not the people.
That's another funny thing about the US: the definitions of some words. I wonder why things like "Republic" and "democracy" have a different meaning in the US than in the rest of the world.

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I find our local elections are no different and they reflect the way that state and national elections are run.  They are run in a "dirty" kind of way.
I have very little knowledge about local elections in the US, but if the little I have read about them is true then it looks like it works more or less in the same way, and "dirty" is a good word for them.

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Thanks for the response.
No problem. :)
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: ArMaP on February 07, 2018, 06:42:24 PM
the labels are confusing because we interrupt things bases on our own lives  we all shade words individually and that's part of it....
I think that's part of the "invisible war" that is always happening in the US, a way of keeping people divided.

Create a label for something or pick a known, long used one, and, little by little, change its meaning, so what was once good now is bad. Older people remember the old meaning, newer people only know the new one, and that creates a division between old and new. Then they start creating new labels to apply to the older and newer people, so each side can use them against the other and further the division, until they reach a point in which the previous generations do not relate to the more recent ones and vice versa.
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: ArMaP on February 07, 2018, 06:56:17 PM
Of course we point to problems that may or may not be Americans in specific...thats how we identify causes of effects we experience...remember armap, there is a time and place to point fingers...and doing so helps those with blinders understand what all the noise is about beyond their gaze.
That's what I was trying to do, although I don't think people here have blinders, I don't do that kind of labelling. Pointing to a problem, so it can be recognised as such, is the first step to solve it. Finding all the parts involved in it is the second part, so we can know what should we look at to try to solve it. Only by doing those two first steps (with adaptations for specific problems when needed) can those problems be solved.
One side pointing to the other and saying "that's their fault" is not enough to solve the problem is both sides are part of it.

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As for excuses....And with each day, and each memo, each discovery of such treason...it is no longer an excuse, but a reason.
If both sides are responsible, pointing only to the other side (or creating a new side) is finding excuses not to solve the problem.

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As for America being no different, every nation has differing cultures within, who sometimes are polar opposites of one another, and get along or dont..just like America...so its not funny, its just reality.
That's not what I said I find funny.

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Facts will be facts Armap, ignoring reality does nothing for progress, races have inherent traits, and you dont get to remove, shift, or add your ideas in to alter those traits, which are far more in depth than any personal opinion you may have on the subject....sure, just cry racism, (or point a finger as you say)..have you ever realized that what is real is unchanging, and what you perceive to be real, may be completely unreal in its entirety? hmm?
Sure, facts are facts, that's what I was saying, I just find it funny how people avoid the facts they don't like and only talk about the facts they can use against any perceived "other side".
And yes, different races have different traits, but different social niches also have different traits, political sides have different traits, etc., etc., etc., so when we point to a specific trait we should be sure that we are talking about is a racial (or whatever) trait and not a preconceived idea about that group. And no, I didn't cry racism or tried to change any thing, I was only voicing my point of view, just like you. :)
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: Littleenki on February 08, 2018, 01:55:40 PM
I feel like a Pizza....
Le
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: Littleenki on February 08, 2018, 02:53:09 PM
Unfortunately Armap, your point of view is not able to be accurate, unless you are actually here, or a part of American society, no matter how many tidbits you parse comments into, or how many opinions you may hear from whatever source...you still cannot form a valid opinion on this subject since you dont live here and experience it firsthand..sorry mate, thats just the facts...

Le
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: ArMaP on February 08, 2018, 03:06:22 PM
Well, if Americans can talk about Europe as if they know it, why can't an European talk about America if he knows it? ;D
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: spacemaverick on February 08, 2018, 11:57:36 PM
Well, I can only talk about Europe in the 70's having spent 4 1/2 years in Germany with trips to various other countries while in the military.  Enjoyed it back then.  I know some people still in Germany and it is not quite what Europe once was back in the 70's...
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: Littleenki on February 09, 2018, 06:12:01 AM
Well, if Americans can talk about Europe as if they know it, why can't an European talk about America if he knows it? ;D

Im not sure who youre referring to Armap, but sure, theres a lot of opinions of Europe out there, from non Europeans...mine are formed by personal friends and family who live there, but alas, are likely inaccurate to some degree, since I am not there to visualize the situation myself.

I do understand Petrus posing the question to me by name in the OP..he is asking for a clarification of certain things, to form his personal opinions, and I hope my words have helped him a bit.

But the vibe I get from you, is that every reply and comment will be met with a dissection and disassembly of parts which only work together as a whole..perhaps if you tried seeing that whole without such dissection, your understanding will appear right before your very eyes..just a personal thought there....no offense meant.

It seems you have used too much skepticism and debunkery to try to understand and filter through what you probably truly want to understand, and you get wrapped up in semantics and tiny details that have no bearing on the whole for the most part.

Dissecting is often a way to get answers, but remember Armap, once dissected, it is usually difficult to reassemble a subject and turn it into a positive outcome, as one gets lost in the broken down pieces, and forgets the importance of the sum of the whole.

So, perhaps some may feel they know enough about Europe by watching its news channels and youtube videos..and some perceptions may be correct, while others incorrect...but honestly, the opinion formed through external means, is not an opinion, but a parroting of multiple inputs of information they have taken in from other, sometimes misinformed, sources.

Funny thing here, since you like funny things..most of my friends and family from Europe say they go through their day without seeing any Muslim refugees...but when they do they tell me their behavior is reprehensible and that all they wish for is that the refugees would just leave.

But that doesnt form my actual opinion on the matter..which is that no culture should be overrun with interlopers who refuse to conform to standards set centuries beforehand...seeing the whole would, so since I dont see the whole, I am relegated to just not really being interested that much unless it affects me.

Sure its nice to ask a question and get answers from those who are a part of the subject matter, but when questions have been answered by qualified people, you might want to stop that keyboard quotefest, and just sit back and look at the whole picture, instead of letting your skeptic side get the best of you by breaking down every reply into pieces which for all intents and purposes are useless in the entirety of the situation.

If you have a boat, you dont remove the engine and place it in the water to see how it works on its own...nor do you take the sails off and dissect them, to understand how it moves in the wind....you just leave it in one piece, and take it for what its worth, assemble your observations of the whole, and then form what opinions you can from such observations, using reason and logic as your guide.

As a wise man once said..probably somewhere on a mountaintop..relax, look through the trees, and see the forest...

Cheers
Le


Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: ArMaP on February 09, 2018, 03:18:57 PM
Im not sure who youre referring to Armap,
No one in particular.

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But the vibe I get from you, is that every reply and comment will be met with a dissection and disassembly of parts which only work together as a whole..perhaps if you tried seeing that whole without such dissection, your understanding will appear right before your very eyes..just a personal thought there....no offense meant.
The fact that I divide my answers in parts doesn't mean I divide the posts in those parts when I read them, I only break the answers in parts because it's easier for me. I always read the whole posts, many times more than once, before making my mind about them.

The only thing I see in parts is long videos, as I think most are just a waste of time. :)

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So, perhaps some may feel they know enough about Europe by watching its news channels and youtube videos..and some perceptions may be correct, while others incorrect...but honestly, the opinion formed through external means, is not an opinion, but a parroting of multiple inputs of information they have taken in from other, sometimes misinformed, sources.
Parroting is when people repeat what they ear, an opinion formed through external means is still an opinion. Even when based on wrong information, an opinion is an opinion when it comes from that person's interpretation of the data. It may be similar or the same as other people's opinions, but it doesn't mean that person is parroting someone else.
If I think Pepsi is better than Coca Cola and you also think Pepsi is better than Coca Cola it doesn't mean you are parroting my opinion, it only means we have the same opinion.

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Sure its nice to ask a question and get answers from those who are a part of the subject matter, but when questions have been answered by qualified people, you might want to stop that keyboard quotefest, and just sit back and look at the whole picture, instead of letting your skeptic side get the best of you by breaking down every reply into pieces which for all intents and purposes are useless in the entirety of the situation.
Your opinion about me is wrong, as I said above (and several times before), I only break the answers, I don't interpret what other people write in separate pieces.
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: petrus4 on February 09, 2018, 05:02:53 PM
Funny thing here, since you like funny things..most of my friends and family from Europe say they go through their day without seeing any Muslim refugees...but when they do they tell me their behavior is reprehensible and that all they wish for is that the refugees would just leave.

Melbourne has recently had problems with violent Sudanese teenagers, as well.  When I was living in New South Wales, the white South African owner of the property had a 17 year old boy, and I literally never encountered him when he wasn't talking about engaging in violence towards someone.  It really isn't a race or colour issue.  It's just that the African continent is a place where extreme violence is a daily part of life, so they have that expectation.  They don't know how to live in an environment which has the rule of law, because that's not what they grew up with.  They expect to be able to act on their own violent impulses whenever they like, and also that everyone else around them will do so as well.  Nimbin did enough psychological damage to me that I realised that I was no different to any of the people of whatever other colour I saw there.  Put me in a volatile situation, and you'll see me go bad inside 9 months.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D2SHNqkjbY

I will also admit that yes, if I go into a local supermarket where I am currently living and see a black man, sometimes I will initially look away and feel uneasy.  Unlike the people on 4chan, however, that is not because I view them as having inherent, unavoidable genetic differences to me, but because I expect them to come from a culture where violence is normal.  I have a white Dutch Afrikaans uncle as well, and when I was a small child I was scared of him before I got to know him.  He served in the South African Navy when he was younger, and was extremely violent in certain situations.

Skin colour is only really used as a target for prejudice because it is obvious and easy.  It's the same reason why gangs have colours and nations have flags; humans universally want simple, visual markers to tell them whether or not they can trust the person they are looking at, without the time or effort of having to consciously think about it.  The thing I realised though, is that you can be a white person among white supremacists, but if you disagree with them on any point, (particularly if said point involves expressing sympathy towards other groups) they will very happily call you a race traitor and hang you on the same tree as a black person.  So it's not about colour; it's about whether you are the same or different from them in general terms, and colour is simply one of the laziest ways they use to try and determine that.

Speaking more objectively than I have here in the past, Islam is likewise tricky.  I've both seen and heard of enough decent Muslims to know that plenty of them exist.  On the other hand, the culture which the religion encourages, genuinely is regressive and barbaric.  Rumi, who is usually their most quoted mystic, admitted that the Qu'ran was a long way from perfect.  The real problem with Islam is that while you can't immediately assume that the individual Muslim in front of you is violent, the time it takes you to ask the question, might be all the time they need to stab you.

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But that doesnt form my actual opinion on the matter..which is that no culture should be overrun with interlopers who refuse to conform to standards set centuries beforehand...seeing the whole would, so since I dont see the whole, I am relegated to just not really being interested that much unless it affects me.

I don't know how much this is actually happening, and how much of it is fascist propaganda.  I definitely think it is to a degree, but if I was to believe everything I read, I could easily draw the conclusion that whites are critically endangered, and that the Western world was being overrun.  Whenever I go and look up some actual statistics, however, a less hysterical picture generally emerges.

I also don't see white culture as necessarily being all that superior, to be honest.  Yes, it's usually aesthetically cleaner, but I've known plenty of brutally violent whites; and my own Scottish temper is something I've spent most of my life struggling with.  White cleanliness, superficial civility, and the tendency to build stone monuments primarily exist as excuses, in my observation; it's something we can point to and use to justify ourselves, when someone gives us an uncomfortable reminder about colonialism.
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: Titan on February 10, 2018, 05:33:22 AM
What is so horrifying about that picture?  It doesn't say anything negative about any other race or group.  That might even be the point of it.  I see posters all the time that say proud to be a woman, proud to be gay, proud to be black, proud to be Christian, on and on.  Why is it considered horrible for someone to say proud to be white?  If it said white people were better than everyone else then it would be making a case that white people are superior to others, but it's not racist for someone to be proud of their race.

I think it's all pretty stupid the way people want to take credit for something they didn't have anything to do with anyway, or be upset about something they had nothing to do with.  People don't choose what race to be born.  Even if they did that wouldn't automatically make them responsible for anything that people of the same race did.  Sports are the same way.  People say "we won" when the team they like won, but it was the players that won the game not the people watching it on TV.

There are people who want to see everyone divided over this superficial foolishness.  They want to keep us all so busy hating each other that nobody notices the prison they are building around us all.
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: spacemaverick on February 11, 2018, 06:19:19 AM
What is so horrifying about that picture?  It doesn't say anything negative about any other race or group.  That might even be the point of it.  I see posters all the time that say proud to be a woman, proud to be gay, proud to be black, proud to be Christian, on and on.  Why is it considered horrible for someone to say proud to be white?  If it said white people were better than everyone else then it would be making a case that white people are superior to others, but it's not racist for someone to be proud of their race.

I think it's all pretty stupid the way people want to take credit for something they didn't have anything to do with anyway, or be upset about something they had nothing to do with.  People don't choose what race to be born.  Even if they did that wouldn't automatically make them responsible for anything that people of the same race did.  Sports are the same way.  People say "we won" when the team they like won, but it was the players that won the game not the people watching it on TV.

There are people who want to see everyone divided over this superficial foolishness.  They want to keep us all so busy hating each other that nobody notices the prison they are building around us all.

Well Said Titan..!!
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: Eighthman on February 11, 2018, 08:14:49 AM
Here's a truly radical and horrifying thought:

There are many reports of "Nordic" looking aliens. Also, "Semitic".  And the Greys. 

Where are African looking Aliens?  I've never heard of any.  Now, what's my next question about evolution going to be?...............................
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: ArMaP on February 11, 2018, 10:18:48 AM
Also, "Semitic".
"Semitic" aliens? I don't remember those. Could you point to a case or two?
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: Eighthman on February 11, 2018, 02:55:00 PM
These are crude descriptions. I think they were observed as tall, thin with big noses. 

Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: ArMaP on February 11, 2018, 03:09:25 PM
These are crude descriptions. I think they were observed as tall, thin with big noses.
Semitic races are not tall, and "big noses" is relative. Could you point to a case or two?
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: RUSSO on February 11, 2018, 04:28:04 PM
Here's a truly radical and horrifying thought:

There are many reports of "Nordic" looking aliens. Also, "Semitic".  And the Greys. 

Where are African looking Aliens?  I've never heard of any.  Now, what's my next question about evolution going to be?...............................

Its not because you never heard about it that it never was mentioned  ;)

You can see Kerry Lynn Cassidy questioning Norman Bergrun in the excerpt below from the original interview:

Tall 'Black' People Piloting Saturn Space Ship
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afFLQHLYy08

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Ringmakers of Saturn is a book that should be read by everyone with a serious interest and stake in the question of ET intelligence and the overall phenomenon of the UFO subject.

The amazing photos taken from NASA spacecraft offer evidence that there are giant space vehicles in Saturn space performing incredible engineering work on the rings of the giant gas planet.

It is almost unimaginable that Dr. Bergrun could privately undertake such a detailed study of NASA Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 photographs of the rings of Saturn. He has discovered how the rings are being formed by emissions emerging from gigantic electromagnetic vehicles (EMV’s) possibly being controlled by a form of intelligence.

Some of his pictures:

(http://mysteriousuniverse.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/ufo-570x275.jpg)

(http://mysteriousuniverse.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/ufo-ringmakers-saturn-570x314.jpg)

Original interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHmgZymhJL8

Here is a link to the Norman Bergrun PDF book if you interested:

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New 1986 hardcover - Signed by Norman Bergrun with full color photos & illustrations. From photographs taken during the Voyager 1 flight to SATURN in 1980 the reader of this remarkable book sees that one of the photgraphs shows that the A-ring is incomplete.

The author sets out to explain this phenomenon in an understandable form. The famous Cassini and Enke gaps also fit into the author's explanation. The micro photography employed by the Author answers many of the questions about Saturn asked since Galileo and the Author further shows a relation to the well defined crater on the earth's moon called 'Mare Orientale' and to the 1908 Tunguska catastrophe in the U.S.S.R. CREDENTIALS: Dr. Norman Bergrun is an alumnus of Ames Research Laboratory, NACA (National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics) predecessor of Ames Research Center, NASA where he worked twelve years as a research scientist.

At Ames, he pioneered the setting of design criteria for airplane thermal ice-prevention and the developing of roll stability laws for airplanes, missiles and rockets. He joined Lockheed Missiles and Space Company (now Lockheed Martin) where he was manager of the planning and analysis of flight tests for the Navy Polaris Underwater Launch Missile System. During his thirteen years at Lockheed, he also served as a senior scientist having responsible analysis cognizance of special space-satellite applications. An Associate Fellow of the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronauics (AIAA), he is active as a leader in Congressional Visits Day events on Capitol Hill.

Credited with numerous awards and citations including the California Society of Professional Engineers Archimedes Engineering Achievement Award... he is listed in "Who's Who in America", "Who's Who in Science and Engineering", and other reference works. You can hear excerpts from this book quoted on Youtube: "James Horak on OhioExopolitics with Mark Snider, June 1st 2013" start listening at 11:00 minutes.

PDF Book --> http://podcast.sjrdesign.net/files/070_RingmakersOfSaturn.pdf (http://podcast.sjrdesign.net/files/070_RingmakersOfSaturn.pdf)

 :)
Title: Re: Is this perception of America accurate?
Post by: Eighthman on February 11, 2018, 04:41:09 PM
Thank you.

I enjoyed "The Brother From Outer Space" years ago but wondered about non-white (and non-grey) Aliens