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Special Guests => Amaterasu Solar - Abundance Paradigm => Topic started by: Irene on June 22, 2017, 03:12:45 PM

Title: Attacking the Messenger
Post by: Irene on June 22, 2017, 03:12:45 PM
Well, I guess you could move to North Korea, see how that works out for you, or one of the rabid Moslem countries where you wear black in 120°F heat and can be stoned to death for looking sideways at a nice-looking young man, or have your most sensitive lady bits removed because you might enjoy yourself in the rack.

You don't know how good you have it. America isn't perfect, but it's 110-f***ing-percent better than most countries on this dirtball. The only countries that, maybe, have it better are in Scandinavia, plus Switzerland, and even those countries are being invaded by the primitive hordes. It's only a matter of time until Europe is culturally destroyed by them.

You think what you want about this country. I am GD grateful to be living here no matter how f***ed up it might be.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: ArMaP on June 22, 2017, 03:24:13 PM
Yes, ArMaP.  All around the globe.
So, you have lived in all countries of the world? Or are you just injecting your preconceived ideas into places you don't know?

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That was to emphasize the difference between Election and SElection.  [smile]
Didn't work for me.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 22, 2017, 05:54:20 PM
Well, I guess you could move to North Korea, see how that works out for you, or one of the rabid Moslem countries where you wear black in 120°F heat and can be stoned to death for looking sideways at a nice-looking young man, or have your most sensitive lady bits removed because you might enjoy yourself in the rack.

You don't know how good you have it. America isn't perfect, but it's 110-f***ing-percent better than most countries on this dirtball. The only countries that, maybe, have it better are in Scandinavia, plus Switzerland, and even those countries are being invaded by the primitive hordes. It's only a matter of time until Europe is culturally destroyed by them.

You think what you want about this country. I am GD grateful to be living here no matter how f***ed up it might be.

Why is it that People who cannot see the play on the LITERAL world stage for what it is, being indoctrinated into thinking that Their country is "the best!" start suggesting someOne, who sees the play as the farce it is, should "move?"

So...  Shall We be grateful?  Suck it up, and do nothing about it?  Take 10 minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrBO333IV3A
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Irene on June 22, 2017, 07:09:14 PM
Ten minutes wasted, but okay. It's the same sh*t you've been spewing all along. What is it you want me to do? Assassinate a Rockefeller?

Again I ask, what, exactly are you doing to fight The Machine? Give me specifics. Who have you talked to and what have you done to fight the puppeteer?

You seem to think that because I appreciate what I have I have, automatically, been indoctrinated by the Great Cosmic Pupfart, or whatever label of your choosing. I don't see it that way.

Again I ask, where would you prefer to be living in this day and age that would be an improvement in your living conditions? Where would you be freer? Where would people be more tolerant and more generous?

Specifics, give me specifics. What skills are you adding to the workforce that contribute to the betterment of our situation? What are you, personally, sacrificing in the name of your cause, to topple The Machine?
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 22, 2017, 07:56:34 PM
Ten minutes wasted, but okay. It's the same sh*t you've been spewing all along. What is it you want me to do? Assassinate a Rockefeller?

Again I ask, what, exactly are you doing to fight The Machine? Give me specifics. Who have you talked to and what have you done to fight the puppeteer?

You seem to think that because I appreciate what I have I have, automatically, been indoctrinated by the Great Cosmic Pupfart, or whatever label of your choosing. I don't see it that way.

Again I ask, where would you prefer to be living in this day and age that would be an improvement in your living conditions? Where would you be freer? Where would people be more tolerant and more generous?

Specifics, give me specifics. What skills are you adding to the workforce that contribute to the betterment of our situation? What are you, personally, sacrificing in the name of your cause, to topple The Machine?

Ah, geez...  "Workforce."  Slaveforce?  I am disabled, but through pain, anguish even, I share awareness of a better way We can operate Human society - a way that allows Us all to live as richly as We Each might choose, promoting the CARING Ones to take care of things, and not the psychopaths, as do the systems Most presently consent to do.

“The best slave is the one who thinks he is free.” ― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

I might assess You as the best slave...

It amazes Me that You take these historical facts and brush them off as "the same sh*t [I've] been spewing all along."  WTF? 

And I'm told I am bound in a small box...  Whatever.  Have a nice life, Irene.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Irene on June 22, 2017, 08:08:22 PM
Ah, geez...  "Workforce."  Slaveforce?  I am disabled, but through pain, anguish even, I share awareness of a better way We can operate Human society - a way that allows Us all to live as richly as We Each might choose, promoting the CARING Ones to take care of things, and not the psychopaths, as do the systems Most presently consent to do.

“The best slave is the one who thinks he is free.” ― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

I might assess You as the best slave...

It amazes Me that You take these historical facts and brush them off as "the same sh*t [I've] been spewing all along."  WTF? 

And I'm told I am bound in a small box...  Whatever.  Have a nice life, Irene.

I can say I spent 30 years of my life helping people amd, in doing so, improving people's lives.

What have you done? It sounds like your philosophy is to sit around and chew the cud of Liberal social theory. If that's what you want to do, fine, but meanwhile someone has to grow the corn and run the trains and design the buildings and care for the sick.

Do you understand what I'm saying here? If you're not doing your share, not picking up your part of the load, you have zero right to b*tch because you are not the solution. You are the problem.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: zorgon on June 22, 2017, 08:35:03 PM
Again I ask, what, exactly are you doing to fight The Machine? Give me specifics.

Sharing awareness...

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Who have you talked to and what have you done to fight the puppeteer?

Sharing awareness... with anyone who will listen

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You seem to think that because I appreciate what I have I have, automatically, been indoctrinated by the Great Cosmic Pupfart, or whatever label of your choosing. I don't see it that way.

Irrelevant... you are obviously not aware
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: zorgon on June 22, 2017, 08:58:43 PM
Ah, geez...  "Workforce."  Slaveforce?  I am disabled, but through pain, anguish even, I share awareness of a better way We can operate Human society -

You are not the only one here that is disabled and many of them a lot more than you, yet they are still able to fend for themselves in the work force and make a descent living.  I know one fellow who can only sleep sitting up... and he does flea markets

Sitting around 'sharing awareness' is not much use if the awareness that you are sharing is only based on your own personal concepts of the current reality. The message will fall on deaf ears because the reality is no where near as bad as you claim it to be

You call people who are working within the system slaves.. you call them willing puppets and other nasty names just because they do not agree with your view of the world. All that does is fling insults at people. You think that insulted people will bother to listen to your message?

I live here in Las Vegas Nevada  All my life I had great jobs, which I earned by being good at it and getting respect.  Today because of my legs not being able to allow me to continue on my job, I had to retire early and because of that change of status and a few other factors we are struggling a bit making ends meet

But I do NOT blame the system... I blame myself for making mistakes that could have buffered the current problem... and I am still working on it to turn it around... But the PTB has nothing to do with it. It is MY choice. I could sell the house and buy a motor home and be free of all debts. I don't intend to do that.

But you think this is slavery? You are full of it... This is my choice  I like the house. There may come a time when I get to old to care for it and will sell.

I also know how much you have placed a burden on others that offered you help. We won't discuss that here...   

You want people to become aware? using the Anonymous symbol is just as bad as you claim Masonic symbols (that you do not understand) are.  You link to a website describing the 47 and its meaning and that link is all about MATHEMATICS not world control.  Now how silly is THAT?

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a way that allows Us all to live as richly as We Each might choose, promoting the CARING Ones to take care of things, and not the psychopaths, as do the systems Most presently consent to do.

A way that is not practical and you have no solution offered as to how to even obtain it. You plan is based on supposed suppression of "free energy" and yet you support the dead science of Electrogravity

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“The best slave is the one who thinks he is free.” ― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
I might assess You as the best slave...

See? there you go again nothing but insults because someone doesn't accept your twisted view of reality

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And I'm told I am bound in a small box...

Yes a very small box with a huge ego crammed inside

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Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Sinny on June 23, 2017, 02:55:25 AM
Don't worry Amy, I have your back, we're not all old, outdated, rabid right wingers.

The International and Young Socialists have your back

(http://i.imgur.com/ZXk5crm.jpg)

A breath of fresh air right?

Right wing politics only serve exploitative capitalistic interests, the nature of the decent human being is very much Socialist.

You'd have to be completely moronic to buy into the right wing agenda, so don't feel bad about being aliented from it .

Of course, I'm a proponent of participary democracy and activism. If you have physical limitations, you could still be active in other capacities, which you are.

I'll be open about having little faith in your initiative, but at the end of the day, I'd rather you out there talking about what you talk about, than all the bloody right wing Looney Toons spreading hatred and disinfo.



Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Littleenki on June 23, 2017, 07:05:41 AM
Sorry Sinny, the nature of the human being is not to be socialist..perhaps it is best described in the book, The State, whereas humans are carefully explained to be communal, but humans are not wired to allow for specific members of society to benefit from the averageness of the rest, which is how socialism works.

In socialist societies, a select few are uber wealthy, and the vast majority are dirt poor and have little expendable income, if any, and almost all progress in the lives of its members is determined by the amount of money trickled down into it by the holders at the top.

Do not confuse ancient communal living with modern communism or socialism.

Communist and socialist ideologies have morphed from that ancient mostly peaceful cohabitation of non warring society, into this bloated unflinching, unbending psychopathy which both modern communism and socialism are built upon

What Amy proposes is a society where everyone is equal, lives in equally nice homes, drives equally nice cars, and does equal amounts of effort to further society..its actually a wonderful idea she has, it just cant work today due to the fact that human nature is to exceed or better itself through the toil of others.

But Amy has hope and she shares it with as many people as she can, and makes the best use of the tools she has...regardless of whether it will take hold in her lifetime or not.

The human mind will always be in flux, and someday socialism might be the best option for mankind, but until humans stop striving to become better through hard work and extra effort whether it be their own, or that of employees, socialism will be just another sword of Damacles dangled above the head of pawns of third world governments.

Cheers!
Le
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Irene on June 23, 2017, 08:11:15 AM
Amy, can you not see that you, too, are a slave? You are a slave to an outdated ideology.

I like to think idealistically as well. I always think about what I'd do if I won the lottery, but I also always come to my senses.

You say that you're spreading awareness. You can have a philosophy PhD, but you're not much use to society if all you can do is discuss ideas.

If you want to talk the talk, great, but you also have to walk the walk.

Talk. Is. Cheap.

Even in the Socialist paradigm everyone has to physically contribute to the collective in order that the collective may prosper. No one can be a slacker.

Most importantly, who would you put in charge? No matter what system you function under, someone has to lead.

We see how that worked out in the former Soviet Union.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 23, 2017, 08:34:40 AM
I can say I spent 30 years of my life helping people amd, in doing so, improving people's lives.

What have you done? It sounds like your philosophy is to sit around and chew the cud of Liberal social theory. If that's what you want to do, fine, but meanwhile someone has to grow the corn and run the trains and design the buildings and care for the sick.

Do you understand what I'm saying here? If you're not doing your share, not picking up your part of the load, you have zero right to b*tch because you are not the solution. You are the problem.

I will guess You have not investigated My work.  We have three game-changing technologies that We can use to create MUCH better.  And if "doing My share" does not include solving for poverty, oppression, wage/debt slavery, intrusion, and profiteering (including war profiteering, "planned obsolescence" profiteering, medical profiteering, pharmaceutical profiteering, and many other forms of profiteering), and sharing awareness of what We can co-create on OUR planet (stolen from Us by the psychopaths in control through "trusts" and deceit), then I guess I am part of the problem.

Hardly "chewing cuds."
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 23, 2017, 08:38:56 AM
Don't worry Amy, I have your back, we're not all old, outdated, rabid right wingers.

The International and Young Socialists have your back

A breath of fresh air right?

Right wing politics only serve exploitative capitalistic interests, the nature of the decent human being is very much Socialist.

You'd have to be completely moronic to buy into the right wing agenda, so don't feel bad about being aliented from it .

Of course, I'm a proponent of participary democracy and activism. If you have physical limitations, you could still be active in other capacities, which you are.

I'll be open about having little faith in your initiative, but at the end of the day, I'd rather you out there talking about what you talk about, than all the bloody right wing Looney Toons spreading hatred and disinfo.

I propose a solutocracy.  A bottom-up system, for any time One gives power to Others beyond the three Laws of Ethics, psychopaths will be drawn in.  [smile]

Thank You, Sinny!
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Irene on June 23, 2017, 08:39:12 AM
I will guess You have not investigated My work.  We have three game-changing technologies that We can use to create MUCH better.  And if "doing My share" does not include solving for poverty, oppression, wage/debt slavery, intrusion, and profiteering (including war profiteering, "planned obsolescence" profiteering, medical profiteering, pharmaceutical profiteering, and many other forms of profiteering), and sharing awareness of what We can co-create on OUR planet (stolen from Us by the psychopaths in control through "trusts" and deceit), then I guess I am part of the problem.

Hardly "chewing cuds."

Talk. Is. Cheap.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 23, 2017, 08:54:48 AM
Sorry Sinny, the nature of the human being is not to be socialist..perhaps it is best described in the book, The State, whereas humans are carefully explained to be communal, but humans are not wired to allow for specific members of society to benefit from the averageness of the rest, which is how socialism works.

There is a vast difference between abundancism and socialism.  Socialism includes a top-down system and money...

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In socialist societies, a select few are uber wealthy, and the vast majority are dirt poor and have little expendable income, if any, and almost all progress in the lives of its members is determined by the amount of money trickled down into it by the holders at the top.

My point about money...

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What Amy proposes is a society where everyone is equal, lives in equally nice homes, drives equally nice cars, and does equal amounts of effort to further society..its actually a wonderful idea she has, it just cant work today due to the fact that human nature is to exceed or better itself through the toil of others.

Wrong.  What I propose is that Each of Us lives as We choose - richly, poorly, in between.  What I propose is that Each of Us choose what transportation We want - public, private, old tech, new tech, whatever.  What I propose is that Each of Us do what We choose - nothing at all, something We like, solving problems as they arise.  It CAN work today...  Except that We have to get free energy out from the grips of the powers that be (the psychopaths that keep it from Us because it means the end of Their control).

Human nature when there is no scarcity is to cooperate.  In the few societies where abundance has been available, that is exactly what Humans have done.  With robots to do the toiling, no One is going to feel "gypped."

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But Amy has hope and she shares it with as many people as she can, and makes the best use of the tools she has...regardless of whether it will take hold in her lifetime or not.

Amy has WILL.  [smile]

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The human mind will always be in flux, and someday socialism might be the best option for mankind, but until humans stop striving to become better through hard work and extra effort whether it be their own, or that of employees, socialism will be just another sword of Damacles dangled above the head of pawns of third world governments.

I do not propose socialism.  I propose abundancism.  An Ethical anarchy in a solutocracy.  This allows Us to become better through hard work at what We LOVE to do.  Not slaving for Others, making THEM rich, while the bulk of Humanity lives in deep poverty on a planet that belongs to ALL who are born here and was stolen from Us, was divided for Us to create the conquering of Humanity, keep Us enslaved, with the bulk of OUR planet's wealth flowing to very Few (psychopaths).
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 23, 2017, 09:21:33 AM
Amy, can you not see that you, too, are a slave? You are a slave to an outdated ideology.

ROFL!  "Outdated ideology!"  The concept of abundancism is new.  The idea of Ethical anarchy may not be new, but Few have entertained it.  The idea of a solutocracy is unique.  What is archaic are the ideas that We need a controlmind, We need to account for Our energy added.  I ponder who has the outdated ideology here...

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I like to think idealistically as well. I always think about what I'd do if I won the lottery, but I also always come to my senses.

I do not think idealistically.  I think practically, and the biggest block to free Humanity from the wage/debt slavery Most see as "necessary" is getting free energy out in the open.

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You say that you're spreading awareness. You can have a philosophy PhD, but you're not much use to society if all you can do is discuss ideas.

I do not "discuss."  I seek co-creators.  I offer ideas on how to co-create better here.  This is not something I alone can do.  What I can do is formulate the system (done) and work to get Many to help build it.  If You think I alone can do this, then I suppose You might think that an Individual can conceive of a city, all its workings, and then build it by Oneself. 

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If you want to talk the talk, great, but you also have to walk the walk.

And walk I do.  I have withdrawn consent from any ruler/state/king/queen.  I am sovereign on MY planet (and as I have said, it's YOUR planet, too).  I consent to Ethical anarchy in a solutocracy.  When enough of Us are doing the same, building it together, We WILL create better.

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Talk. Is. Cheap.

Gods, I loathe that "periods in between words" fad that the powers that be started.

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Even in the Socialist paradigm everyone has to physically contribute to the collective in order that the collective may prosper. No one can be a slacker.

Again, I am NOT a socialist.  I am an abundancist.  They are two very different animals.

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Most importantly, who would you put in charge? No matter what system you function under, someone has to lead.

Leaders emerge for each problem as it arises.  Ethically solving for it.  No One is "in charge" for all problems.  This way, the CARING Ones take care of things, the Ones with the BEST ideas for solving problems, Ones with the BEST expertise.  And without money, problems are not solved the cheapest way, the most profitable way for Some, or left to fester because there is no money to solve for them, as things are being done Now.

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We see how that worked out in the former Soviet Union.

The soviet union had two major flaws:  top-down controlmind and money.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 23, 2017, 09:27:01 AM
Talk. Is. Cheap.

How else would You suggest I begin in getting Others to help build better on Our planet?  Fart?
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Irene on June 23, 2017, 09:31:16 AM
What if everyone decided they don't want to work?

Who would feed us? Who would build our cars? Who would see to our medical needs?

I'd add who would educate us, but that debacle is a thread in itself.

You've said yourself that you're living off the backs of your friends. Isn't that parasitic?

If we all choose to do nothing, thinking the paradigm will provide for us, we die. There is no one to service our needs.

We've come full circle, haven't we? We've just become the slaves, and the corpses, of our own flawed ideology.

Someone has to take responsibility for our existence. Those of us who work /worked, in whatever fields, have done more for our fellow man than all the hot air balloonists in history.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 23, 2017, 10:01:18 AM
What if everyone decided they don't want to work?

PLENTY of People love to work on robots...  We WILL do work We love to do.  It will NEVER happen that EVERYONE will do nothing.  At the very least, We WILL be motivated to solve for problems that affect Us.

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Who would feed us? Who would build our cars? Who would see to our medical needs?

Robots and Those who LOVE to farm will feed Us.  Robots and Those who LOVE to build cars will build Our cars.  Robots and People who LOVE to help heal Others will see to Our medical needs.  (Today, "medical needs" are seen to by Those motivated by MONEY, not healing Others...)

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I'd add who would educate us, but that debacle is a thread in itself.

With the web, We can Self-educate, which is FAR better an education than the indoctrination centers called "schools," and Those who LOVE to teach will help out, as well.

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You've said yourself that you're living off the backs of your friends. Isn't that parasitic?

No.  Because it's not as if I have not TRIED, for a decade and more, to gain employment.  If You think over 100,000 job applications is "not trying," I ponder Your perspective.  And if I am correct, and the evidence surely suggests this, that I am targeted, and there are Those who actively seek My failure, then all the trying in the world is pointless.  I do not "live off Their backs," but sleep on Their floors and use Their WIFI's, which They have anyway.  I do what I must to survive and seek co-creators.

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If we all choose to do nothing, thinking the paradigm will provide for us, we die. There is no one to service our needs.

But I don't say the paradigm will "provide for Us."  We all WILL solve problems, at the very least, and Most will choose to add to the betterment through what They LOVE to do.  Humans are not lazy when it comes to doing what They love to do.  And in adding value to society, We earn social currency, accounted for in hearts and minds.  Even now, PLENTY of People do things, not for money, but for the thanks, appreciation, reputation, lauds, love, gratefulness, bragging rights, Self-satisfaction They receive.  Little things and big things.

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We've come full circle, haven't we? We've just become the slaves, and the corpses, of our own flawed ideology.

Huh?  No clue what this is suggesting.

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Someone has to take responsibility for our existence. Those of us who work /worked, in whatever fields, have done more for our fellow man than all the hot air balloonists in history.

We Each take responsibility for Self.  And solving problems Ethically as they arise.  We are problem-solvers by nature, so I doubt there will be Many who would not seek to solve the problems that affect Them.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Irene on June 23, 2017, 11:27:30 AM
PLENTY of People love to work on robots... We WILL do work We love to do. It will NEVER happen that EVERYONE will do nothing. At the very least, We WILL be motivated to solve for problems that affect Us.

Pure selfishness is not a rational system.

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Robots and Those who LOVE to farm will feed Us. Robots and Those who LOVE to build cars will build Our cars. Robots and People who LOVE to help heal Others will see to Our medical needs. (Today, "medical needs" are seen to by Those motivated by MONEY, not healing Others...)

I'm sorry. The hippies didn't accomplish much more than reproduction and the destruction of a society that had been running fairly well.

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With the web, We can Self-educate, which is FAR better an education than the indoctrination centers called "schools," and Those who LOVE to teach will help out, as well.

I believe you are smoking, heavily, something other than Marlboros.

The internet is a free-for-all. All information must be thoroughly vetted before it can be trusted.

Unfortunately, the same is now true for the US educational system. It has been infiltrated by political lunatics who want, not to teach the truth, but to indoctrinate into leftist ideologies and historic revisionism.

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No. Because it's not as if I have not TRIED, for a decade and more, to gain employment. If You think over 100,000 job applications is "not trying," I ponder Your perspective. And if I am correct, and the evidence surely suggests this, that I am targeted, and there are Those who actively seek My failure, then all the trying in the world is pointless. I do not "live off Their backs," but sleep on Their floors and use Their WIFI's, which They have anyway. I do what I must to survive and seek co-creators.

This is an incredibly interesting, and just plain incredible, paragraph.

1. Drop some zeroes and I will concede you have honestly tried to get a job. Have you flipped burgers for fatties at McDonald's? They are always hiring.

If your answer is no, then you haven't tried hard enough.

2. Nice try. "Co-creators" is a euphemism for your economic victims. You confess this with your statement that they'd have a home and internet anyway. So, why not use them to meet your selfish needs in the process, right?

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But I don't say the paradigm will "provide for Us." We all WILL solve problems, at the very least, and Most will choose to add to the betterment through what They LOVE to do. Humans are not lazy when it comes to doing what They love to do. And in adding value to society, We earn social currency, accounted for in hearts and minds. Even now, PLENTY of People do things, not for money, but for the thanks, appreciation, reputation, lauds, love, gratefulness, bragging rights, Self-satisfaction They receive. Little things and big things.

See my reply regarding hippies.

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Huh? No clue what this is suggesting.

What statement don't you understand? You must have an idea, as you've used the word "suggestion".

I do know what you mean, and I also recognize your lame obfuscation.

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We Each take responsibility for Self. And solving problems Ethically as they arise. We are problem-solvers by nature, so I doubt there will be Many who would not seek to solve the problems that affect Them.

You aren't. You are relying on the good will of people you know, which is a parasitic relationship.

par·a·site
[ˈperəˌsīt]
NOUN

an organism that lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the host's expense.

a person who habitually relies on or exploits others and gives nothing in return...


... but philosophical wind.

"Out, damned spot!"

I can hear you licking your lips. Who'd have known your friends had so much blood in them.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: ArMaP on June 23, 2017, 12:38:19 PM
No.  Because it's not as if I have not TRIED, for a decade and more, to gain employment.
When I was unemployed I was aware that I was being a "parasite" of my parents, regardless of the fact of looking for work or not. Intent doesn't make a fact disappear.

Even if you try to find a job you are still a parasite of those "slaves" you talk about, and so you are no better that the "psychopaths" you keep talking about, as, like them, you are living thanks to the work of others.

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And if I am correct, and the evidence surely suggests this, that I am targeted, and there are Those who actively seek My failure, then all the trying in the world is pointless.
Don't delude yourself like that, you are just another nobody like all of us, you are not special. At least not in that way.

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I do what I must to survive and seek co-creators.
"Co-creators"? You haven't created a thing, you don't even have a plan, you only have a dream. You might as well say that Aladdin's lamp would solve all our problems.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 23, 2017, 12:43:38 PM

Pure selfishness is not a rational system.

LOL!  I have news for You.  NO ONE does ANYTHING but for Selfish reasons.  It may be because They feel good having helped anOther.  But it is ALWAYS a Selfish motivation.
 
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I'm sorry. The hippies didn't accomplish much more than reproduction and the destruction of a society that had been running fairly well.

What has hippies got to do with robots filling in where not enough People WANT to do a necessary job?  And if You think society was "running fairly well..."  With poverty, oppression, wage/debt slavery, intrusion, and profiteering...  Wow.
 
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I believe you are smoking, heavily, something other than Marlboros.

Nope.  I cannot afford My medicine.

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The internet is a free-for-all. All information must be thoroughly vetted before it can be trusted.

So, We are responsible for vetting Our information.  And You are comparing a web that has profit and power motives - where lies are protected - with what the web would be without such.  AnyOne found willfully putting out falsities would lose greatly in social currency.  No longer would They be trusted.  No longer would They have appreciation.  No longer would They have respect or be taken seriously.

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Unfortunately, the same is now true for the US educational system. It has been infiltrated by political lunatics who want, not to teach the truth, but to indoctrinate into leftist ideologies and historic revisionism.

It was started for that purpose from the beginning.  A short vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGMCgNjSyxA

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This is an incredibly interesting, and just plain incredible, paragraph.

1. Drop some zeroes and I will concede you have honestly tried to get a job. Have you flipped burgers for fatties at McDonald's? They are always hiring.

Why lie?  I have indeed applied to over 100,000 jobs.  And I cannot stand more than 1/2 hour without pain and risking not being able to stand the following day.  Let Me tell You about the time I covered for My ex on christmas eve.  He was a dishwasher, and was very depressed that Our daughter was not with Us (She was legally kidnapped by My sister), and said He wasn't going in to work.  I knew He would get past the bump and that He would regret that choice, so I chose to fill in.

I walked the 20 minutes to the restaurant.  I worked My butt off for 8 hours.  The owner was very impressed and told Me so, saying He would hire Me anytime.  But I knew that would not happen.  I was in extreme agony.  I walked home, and it took Me almost an hour, collapsing as soon as I made it into the apartment.  My ex helped Me to bed.

The next morning, every joint in My body (except My spine, which, thankfully, is not affected by My condition) was swollen, stiff, pink, hot to the touch, and excruciating.  I could not stand.  I could not even crawl.  I very painfully scooted on My belly with My elbows to get to the bathroom (getting up onto the commode was a severe challenge in and of itself).

It took Me 2 days to be able to stand at all, and over a week before I could move My normal slow pace.

Sure, I could flip burgers maybe twice a month, but then would require the rest of the time to recuperate.

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If your answer is no, then you haven't tried hard enough.

My answer is "No," but now You know why.  I DID apply for a chicken plucker job - going homeless makes One desperate - and I probably could not have done that job.  I was 50 at the time and a 24 year old got the job.  Imagine that!

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2. Nice try. "Co-creators" is a euphemism for your economic victims. You confess this with your statement that they'd have a home and internet anyway. So, why not use them to meet your selfish needs in the process, right?

WTF?  Not at all!  They care about Me and I Them.  Though We ALL are doing this for Selfish reasons, They because it makes Them feel good to help Me, and Me because I appreciate Their offer - I feel good - still, "victims" is the very WRONG word to use.  And the "co-creator" term was NOT relative to Them.  It was relative to My work online. 
 
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See my reply regarding hippies.

I did.  It's irrelevant.
 
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What statement don't you understand? You must have an idea, as you've used the word "suggestion".

You said:  "We've come full circle, haven't we? We've just become the slaves, and the corpses, of our own flawed ideology."

No, I DON'T have a clue what You were on about with that.

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I do know what you mean, and I also recognize your lame obfuscation.

No lame obfuscation.  I truly do not have a clue about Your statement there.

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You aren't. You are relying on the good will of people you know, which is a parasitic relationship.

par·a·site
[ˈperəˌsīt]
NOUN

an organism that lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the host's expense.

a person who habitually relies on or exploits others and gives nothing in return...


... but philosophical wind.

"Out, damned spot!"

I can hear you licking your lips. Who'd have known your friends had so much blood in them.

Yes, yes.  Out damned spot.  I do NOT "habitually" do this.  Whether You want to believe it or not, until I became disabled, I worked My butt off, earning accolades such as Employee of the Year.  Then I was laid off - likely because I was having so much difficulty meeting deadlines, so I was the choice.  I was going to live under a bridge in Georgia, and friends reached out.  So, off with You, spot.  Go antagonize someOne else.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Irene on June 23, 2017, 01:23:28 PM
Do you see how you make excuses for everything? People who make excuses don't succeed.

I am able to use my brother as an example of someone who made no excuses, succeeded, then died.

In the late 80's, he badly injured his back. Two surgeries and that damned Vicodin. Still, he was in constant pain. He became a Vicodin addict. He had to change professions, so he went back to school and came out a civil engineer, which can be a physical job.

Despite his addiction and his pain, he gutted out a 40-hour week with a city government for a couple of decades. Early into his second career, he learned he was so tired because his heart was shot. He was in his 30's and carrying our maternal heart. Everyone on my mother's side dies young due to heart failure. My uncle went at 48. My brother had several heart attacks and surgeries. Still, he returned to work full-time.

In the early 2000's, his heart really started to fail, so his city gave him a desk job where he could fall asleep now and then and there would be no issues. He had an office of his own where an unexpected snooze at his desk, due to his heart failure, would not be noticed by citizens and other employees.

At the end of 2010, he was laid off permanently due to cutbacks. He was incredibly upset that he lost his job. I finally got him to apply for disability. The Feds fought it until, finally, in October they granted disability.

A month later he was dead. He was 53.

His entire city showed up at the visitation. His coffin was buried in flowers. He was well-respected as a hard worker despite being severely ill for years.

He could have quit life early on and many times, but he didn't. Every time he got knocked down, no matter how hard it was, he got back up and pressed ahead. He pressed ahead until the economy took his job from him.

His personnel manager actually called me, probably against the law, and was practically in tears realizing what losing his job had done to him. She knew he would not be able to get another job due to his falling asleep so much.

Now, have you fought, Amy? Have you really exhausted all your options? Or are you just along for the ride?
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: petrus4 on June 24, 2017, 03:30:57 AM
You don't know how good you have it. America isn't perfect, but it's 110-f***ing-percent better than most countries on this dirtball.

This argument doesn't have quite the level of persuasive power that it used to, Irene.  We're not in the 50s any more.  America has lost virtually all of its' manufacturing infrastructure, and while plenty of tax money is still being paid, north of 40% of that goes straight to the military.  There are whole towns within rural America that are abandoned and falling apart, at this point.  Most of the videos I've watched on YouTube recently, have focused on the amount of the American interior, that now looks a lot like the Chernobyl exclusion zone; and yes, I'm serious.  If you don't believe me, go to Detroit.  You also have the highest prison population on the planet.

I can very safely say that America post probably 1990 is not a country that I would want to live in; and truthfully, I'm getting very tired of 21st century Western modernity in general.  I don't see Five Eyes society as Disneyland; I don't have the money to spend on mobile phones and most of the other forms of consumer crap, and I genuinely wouldn't want it even if I did.  The one thing I've noticed is that the more technology we get, the more angry, miserable, and distanced from each other we all become.

I don't want poorly built homes that can only be bought on credit anyway, and can be stolen from me at any time.  I don't want genetically modified non-food.  I don't want artificial heating based on non-renewable forms of fuel, the use of which is wrecking the environment.  I don't want surveillance technology which basically turns us all into slaves, and is destroying our humanity one inch at a time.  I don't want to live among soulless people who are utterly devoid of integrity, and who only care about whichever latest piece of commercialistic, corporate-produced "media" crap has come out, so that they can talk about it with their equally soulless friends.  I especially do not want a society which is organised, governed, and run by literal child-raping psychopaths.

Give me an open fire, real, nourishing food, somewhere I can stay dry, some weed, and the occasional company of people I love, and I am happy.  I don't need or want the rest of this poop, and I spend most of my time honestly and passionately wishing that it did not exist.  It serves no positive purpose.

Any argument you might make about how I'm supposedly safer from violence in this society will also be rejected; not only because I have lived among dangerous civilians before, but because I hear about police killing people now on almost a constant basis.  There have been times in my life where I would have honestly preferred to be in Somalia; because at least there if I get attacked, I can shoot back.  Where I'm living, the cops won't let you do that.  I am someone who truly does not want police protection, and who is not grateful for it, because I have seen with my own eyes that it does not work.

Modern Western society is not Utopia.  It is not really defensible at all.  It is a polluted, technocratic, authoritarian nightmare; and nobody I know is truly happy in it.  It isn't fascist in the sense that there are open rallies in the streets, or the blatant operation of concentration camps, no; in the last seventy years, they've got a lot better at it than that.  Go and look up the Bill of Rights though, and then compare that with the number of those supposed rights you can still exercise these days without being locked up.  Freedom of assembly is gone virtually everywhere I know of; freedom from searches and seizures also is.  Freedom of speech largely doesn't exist, and the Marxist frigging Millennials have been brainwashed to view that as a good thing.  Anyone who complains about that now gets labelled a fascist, and the assumption is made that the only reason why anyone might care about free speech, is so that they can supposedly use that as an excuse to be a white supremacist in public.

I know you're a person with basically decent intentions, Irene; and maybe you even need to tell yourself propaganda in order to keep doing your job.  I do not, however, have any illusions about this being anything close to the world that my grandfather fought for.  I know very well that it's not.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: zorgon on June 24, 2017, 03:51:28 AM
The one thing I've noticed is that the more technology we get, the more angry, miserable, and distanced from each other we all become.

You think its bad now? Wait till the Robots take over everything  No one will have a job because the robots will build themselves ;p

Not that long ago you went to a grocery store and chatted with a pleasant cashier... today you curse at a self checkout machine that is messing up your order and don't dare take an item off the scale before you pay

 ::)

LOL who dragged you out of the woods?

 :P
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: petrus4 on June 24, 2017, 03:59:06 AM
What Amy proposes is a society where everyone is equal, lives in equally nice homes, drives equally nice cars, and does equal amounts of effort to further society..its actually a wonderful idea she has, it just cant work today due to the fact that human nature is to exceed or better itself through the toil of others.

Most of the people I've seen, have been taught to be morbidly terrified of anonymity.  The idea is that you must, at all costs, establish yourself as someone who is different and special from everyone else, because supposedly to not do that is a fate worse than death.

That is the fundamental paradigm break between Socialism and Capitalism.  I only hear Socialists talking about maintaining a relatively minimal baseline level of human survival.  Capitalism, on the other hand, is about getting as much as you possibly can, in order to use that as a means of demonstrating your alleged superiority to others.

I am not a Socialist, because Socialism is fundamentally and unavoidably collective in nature; and if there is one thing that my life experience has overwhelmingly taught me, it is that human group dynamics are inevitably and unavoidably pathological, at least long term; and that collectives of any kind are not to be trusted.  I am never safer than when I am alone.

I am not a Capitalist either, however, because I don't believe in becoming a billionaire as a justification for elitism.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: petrus4 on June 24, 2017, 04:00:48 AM
LOL who dragged you out of the woods?

I came back to civilisation for my grandmother's 100th birthday.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: The Seeker on June 24, 2017, 04:04:10 AM
I came back to civilisation for my grandmother's 100th birthday.
Awesome  8)
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: ArMaP on June 24, 2017, 05:35:11 AM
One thing I learned after almost 6 years on this forum and exactly 13 years on ATS is that politics discussions between Europeans and Americans don't work, as both sides use different definitions for basic political topics, like "socialism". Those differences result in both sides keeping to their own ideas, even in situations where both have mostly the same thoughts, so these discussions get hotter and hotter and, many times, result in people saying things that go over what is acceptable, with bad results.

So, my suggestion, don't get too upset in political discussions, it's not worth it, division is what makes the same people keep the power over the common person.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: ArMaP on June 24, 2017, 07:02:56 AM
We Each take responsibility for Self.  And solving problems Ethically as they arise.
Judging by this new thread, you are not solving your problems ethically.

Splitting the threads was the right choice, but the title you chose shows that you are using your power in this sub-forum, in which you are moderator, in the same way the "psychopaths" you keep talking about do.

If you read the posts without the bias of being one of the sides of the discussion, you will see that it was not the messenger that was being attacked, Irene's post was an answer to your opinion, and we all have the right to an opinion and to express it, as long as we keep insults out.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: petrus4 on June 24, 2017, 07:24:58 AM
One thing I learned after almost 6 years on this forum and exactly 13 years on ATS is that politics discussions between Europeans and Americans don't work, as both sides use different definitions for basic political topics, like "socialism".

My perspective is that socialism is basically a strawman.  For the cabal who invented it, Marxism was intended to be a false replacement for the entire concept of mutually symbiotic co-operation between people.   

a}  Marxism succeeds in becoming accepted globally, which results in a global dictatorship that initially starts out looking like the Federation from Star Trek, but very quickly goes bad.  You're essentially looking at Pol Pot becoming the Dear Leader of the entire planet, rather than just Cambodia.

OR

b}  Marxism is rejected, either before or after a}, which results in a universal acceptance of the false idea that Hobbes was right, and that we should never try and be remotely empathetic or generous towards our fellow man ever again.  This means naive psychopaths like Milton Friedman being able to ecstatically gloat to any of their opponents that, "you had your chance, and it didn't work," which in turn means Randian Objectivism becomes enshrined more or less forever as the predominant way of doing things.

The only fundamental difference between unrestrained Capitalism and Communism, is that with Communism you die quickly, whereas with Capitalism it happens more slowly.  The Communist modus operandi is to get the gulags opened early, with death itself essentially becoming an industrially mass produced commodity.

Capitalist dystopia is more subtle.  In that scenario you have a few billionaires in gated communities here and there, but outside the enclaves it's essentially back to Somalia.  You could argue that that would give humanity overall a better chance of long term survival, perhaps, except that uncontrolled Capitalism will also eventually result in the planet no longer being able to support carbon based life.  Your average Capitalist entrepreneur is also usually a transhumanist, so they don't care about that virtually at all.  They just assume that when the environment dies completely, we'll be able to climb aboard starships and go off-world.  The Right hate environmentalism, because one of the main ways that they make money is via spewing carbon monoxide into the air in massive quantities; and so they think that any restriction to their ability to do that, is a restriction of their ability to make money, which is the only thing they care about.

I also don't believe in any fundamental difference between Socialism and Communism, other than a matter of degree.  The concept of "Democratic Socialism," is complete and utter BS, because you'll virtually never see a democratic socialist who does not also believe in the governmental monopoly of violence.  Belief in gun ownership and being a socialist are almost mutually exclusive in practice.  This means that democratic socialists expect governments to remain democratic, with all of the power that has been given to them that a socialist government implies, when they have given up their last and most fundamental means of bargaining with said government.  It's a completely delusional fantasy.

Humanity is a species with two fundamental, and fatal flaws.

a}  The need for at least some individuals to perceive themselves as superior to others.

b}  The need to exist within a predatory, exploitative social hierarchy.  As a species we are almost exclusively divided into leaders and followers.  The followers are usually those who were psychologically broken during childhood, (either by their primary caregivers or by their experience with the education system, the latter of which largely did it for me) or are those who never had much ambition to begin with.  The leaders can be anywhere between mildly Type A, (best case scenario) to full blown psychopaths.

The only thing the followers care about is social approval, which they generally assume that they need to survive.  These are the people who rely on "experts," for literally everything they think; they are also the people who defer to the psychopathic teenagers in secondary schools who are the leaders of social cliques.  I remember seeing the "good girls," in class at high school; the ones who virtually never said a word to anyone, who literally seemed barely alive at all, but who always got "A"s on their report cards in literally every subject.  I've often wished I could have heard their internal thoughts, out of curiousity; to see whether they were as passive internally as they seemed externally.  I've sometimes wondered what happened to them as well, since I've never known any of them as adults.

The point is though, that the above dynamic is what we need to overcome, if we want continued survival as a species.  We've been locked in civilisational boom and bust cycles for a very long time now; some civilisation will get sufficiently large that it more or less takes over the planet, at which point its' size renders it unsustainable.

Humanity needs to get off that roller coaster; but the reason why I can't see that happening, is because on the one hand you have the hard Right who think that conflict and ambition are the only things worth living for, and on the other you have the hard Left who think that having a planetary scale, centralised mess where everyone is just indefinitely given free stuff, is the only way we should live.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 24, 2017, 08:11:26 AM
You think its bad now? Wait till the Robots take over everything  No one will have a job because the robots will build themselves ;p

Robots, like all such things are TOOLS.  The intent of the wielder is what counts.  And robots are no issue if We stop accounting for Human energy input into a system that accounts for Human energy.  We need free energy for that, though.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 24, 2017, 08:13:52 AM
Most of the people I've seen, have been taught to be morbidly terrified of anonymity.  The idea is that you must, at all costs, establish yourself as someone who is different and special from everyone else, because supposedly to not do that is a fate worse than death.

That is the fundamental paradigm break between Socialism and Capitalism.  I only hear Socialists talking about maintaining a relatively minimal baseline level of human survival.  Capitalism, on the other hand, is about getting as much as you possibly can, in order to use that as a means of demonstrating your alleged superiority to others.

I am not a Socialist, because Socialism is fundamentally and unavoidably collective in nature; and if there is one thing that my life experience has overwhelmingly taught me, it is that human group dynamics are inevitably and unavoidably pathological, at least long term; and that collectives of any kind are not to be trusted.  I am never safer than when I am alone.

I am not a Capitalist either, however, because I don't believe in becoming a billionaire as a justification for elitism.

While the merits of socialism vs capitalism are interesting, again, I point out again that what I propose is neither.  I propose abundancism.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 24, 2017, 08:21:17 AM
Judging by this new thread, you are not solving your problems ethically.

Splitting the threads was the right choice, but the title you chose shows that you are using your power in this sub-forum, in which you are moderator, in the same way the "psychopaths" you keep talking about do.

If you read the posts without the bias of being one of the sides of the discussion, you will see that it was not the messenger that was being attacked, Irene's post was an answer to your opinion, and we all have the right to an opinion and to express it, as long as we keep insults out.

It was not so much that initial post as it was the fact that, because My hard work is unpaid, and (it seems) not understood, in the end, I was being told that I was "making excuses" for not working at McDonald's (a corporation that provably puts HUMAN meat in many of the burgers it offers).  Even though, at 60, and spending My life in pain, working 30+ YEARS like that, that now I am DISABLED, with thumbs shot, hunting/pecking on My computer with My fingers, I am being told there is something wrong with Me for not flipping burgers!

Yes, it is an attack on Me. 
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: ArMaP on June 24, 2017, 08:25:15 AM
My perspective is that socialism is basically a strawman.  For the cabal who invented it, Marxism was intended to be a false replacement for the entire concept of mutually symbiotic co-operation between people.
Well, the way I see it, the problem is that things, in reality, do not follow the theories, so the real world socialism is not a copy of theoretical socialism, in the same way real world capitalism is not an exact copy of theoretical capitalism.

As with all other things, when someone looks into an ideology, unless they are full "followers" that do not think for themselves, they will adapt the ideology to their own personality, and, in a larger scale, to their country's "personality". That's why communism in the old USSR was not the same as communism in China, and both were completely different from communism in European countries.

The fact is, people just want to be happy, but what makes one person happy doesn't make the next one happy, and may even make them unhappy, so it's impossible to get any system in which all people are happy.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: ArMaP on June 24, 2017, 08:44:42 AM
It was not so much that initial post as it was the fact that, because My hard work is unpaid, and (it seems) not understood, in the end, I was being told that I was "making excuses" for not working at McDonald's (a corporation that provably puts HUMAN meat in many of the burgers it offers).
Then why did you include the initial post, that was an answer to a post that you left on the other thread? Breaking the flow of the discussion makes the start of this thread look illogical and makes the member that made that post look bad.

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Even though, at 60, and spending My life in pain, working 30+ YEARS like that, that now I am DISABLED, with thumbs shot, hunting/pecking on My computer with My fingers, I am being told there is something wrong with Me for not flipping burgers!
From the way I see it, it was more of a generic "flipping burgers" than a real "flipping burgers". There are many things a disabled person can do in the world today, they just need what you already have, a working brain, being able to write and Internet access. You just need to look for the right kind of job instead of looking for your favourite kind of job. And, as I have said some years ago, in a thread in which we were discussing your résumé (and that was abandoned, for whatever reason), I think you approach to applying for a job is wrong, although, not being in the US, I'm not really into what people want to read on a job application.

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Yes, it is an attack on Me.
No, it was an opinion about the way you act. Even if it had been a personal attack, it wasn't because of any "message" you were conveying, so it was not against any "messenger". So, with those two actions (the splitting of the thread in the middle of a discussion and the choosing of a tittle that favours your position) you showed how easy it is for someone with power to abuse it.

But that's just my opinion. ;)

Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 24, 2017, 09:17:46 AM
Then why did you include the initial post, that was an answer to a post that you left on the other thread? Breaking the flow of the discussion makes the start of this thread look illogical and makes the member that made that post look bad.

An error on My part.  Humble apologies to Any who chose to be upset.

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From the way I see it, it was more of a generic "flipping burgers" than a real "flipping burgers". There are many things a disabled person can do in the world today, they just need what you already have, a working brain, being able to write and Internet access. You just need to look for the right kind of job instead of looking for your favourite kind of job. And, as I have said some years ago, in a thread in which we were discussing your résumé (and that was abandoned, for whatever reason), I think you approach to applying for a job is wrong, although, not being in the US, I'm not really into what people want to read on a job application.

ArMaP, McDonald's and flipping burgers were specifically brought up with a "They're hiring" at the end.  That sounds specifically McDonalds and flipping burgers to Me.  And in that 100,000+ job applications I have made, I have applied for every job I can do, along with a fair few I thought I could not.  At this point, what little effort I can make is mostly working on developing co-creators for better on Our planet and a wee bit of forum response.  Do I think I will do better for Humanity generically flipping burgers than what I do now?  Absolutely not.  And I don't CARE what Others think on that score.

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No, it was an opinion about the way you act. Even if it had been a personal attack, it wasn't because of any "message" you were conveying, so it was not against any "messenger". So, with those two actions (the splitting of the thread in the middle of a discussion and the choosing of a tittle that favours your position) you showed how easy it is for someone with power to abuse it.

But that's just my opinion. ;)

Ok.  Whatever. 
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: petrus4 on June 24, 2017, 09:47:21 AM
Even though, at 60, and spending My life in pain, working 30+ YEARS like that, that now I am DISABLED, with thumbs shot, hunting/pecking on My computer with My fingers, I am being told there is something wrong with Me for not flipping burgers!

I wouldn't flip burgers either.  With that said, I have as many reasons to feel sorry for myself as anyone else, if I choose to.  Something Nimbin taught me, however, is that the only thing self-pity does, is occupy time which I could be using to improve my situation.

Get out of the cities, Amy.  I see videos on YouTube about abandoned towns in America, all the time.  There are empty houses, and there is wood and other materials free for the taking.  The very earth itself contains numerous materials that you can build things with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEZrRmq5USk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj_MhEyMEcw

Focus on improving your own life.  I don't mean doing that at anyone else's expense, and I don't mean becoming a billionaire; but I do mean spending your time in quiet places, and learning how to make fire.

The woods are calling.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: ArMaP on June 24, 2017, 09:53:39 AM
An error on My part.  Humble apologies to Any who chose to be upset.
It's not a question of being upset, it's a question of being truthful to the discussion.

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ArMaP, McDonald's and flipping burgers were specifically brought up with a "They're hiring" at the end.  That sounds specifically McDonalds and flipping burgers to Me.
It may be because English is not my language, but to me it sounds like a generic "there are people hiring, even if it's a low pay job".

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And in that 100,000+ job applications I have made, I have applied for every job I can do, along with a fair few I thought I could not.
Why did you apply for jobs you cannot do? What's the point? Being able to say that you applied to 100,000+ jobs?

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At this point, what little effort I can make is mostly working on developing co-creators for better on Our planet and a wee bit of forum response.
Well, judging from this discussion, the planet did not get any better. :(

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Do I think I will do better for Humanity generically flipping burgers than what I do now?  Absolutely not.  And I don't CARE what Others think on that score.
But someone is "flipping burgers" so you can have food, shelter and Internet access, so I hope you do care about what they think.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Shasta56 on June 24, 2017, 12:17:57 PM
I work with a disabled population.  Most of them are very appreciative.  One of them has an attitude of entitlement.  My ex is disabled, and tends toward an attitude of entitlement where our daughter is concerned.  He walked out when she she was a month old, but now that he's dying of pancreatic cancer, she should drop everything and move to Oklahoma to take care of him.  My husband's ex thought she should be able to Social Security Disability because she couldn't get a job.  She couldn't get a job because of her drug convictions.  She wasn't too disabled to go tubing on the South Platte.  She drowned because she didn't believe in wearing a life vest.  She was entitled to do whatever she wanted, whenever she wanted.  Until and unless, people get past their sense of entitlement, abundance is unlikely to happen.

Shasta
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: biggles on June 24, 2017, 01:45:40 PM
As far as Oz goes we have a points system to grade whether you can go on a disability pension.

I have bipolar (I hate that word), I prefer manic depression, because that actually explains the condition better.

I had to bring specialist's proof of my condition, documents from psychiatrist informing what I have and what meds I am on; and also MRI reports of my neck which show the pathology there.  They will only do an operation when I develop neuropathy in both my arms and I am trying to steer clear of that op, cause I know what can go wrong very easily.

Once you achieve a certain amount of points you are given a decision based on that.

There are a lot of people in the US and other countries that should be on one and also a lot that shouldn't because their only try to get out of work.

If you cant find a job your put on a Newstart allowance until you find one down here and usually have help to find one.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: zorgon on June 24, 2017, 01:59:45 PM
LOL!  I have news for You.  NO ONE does ANYTHING but for Selfish reasons.  It may be because They feel good having helped anOther.  But it is ALWAYS a Selfish motivation.

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Robots and Those who LOVE to farm will feed Us.  Robots and Those who LOVE to build cars will build Our cars.  Robots and People who LOVE to help heal Others will see to Our medical needs.  (Today, "medical needs" are seen to by Those motivated by MONEY, not healing Others...)

Those two statements are a complete contradiction. you acknowledge that most people have selfish reasons (and that is human nature and survival instinct).

Yet you "program" requires a lot of people to work tirelessly to build robots so the rest can live free off the hog

THAT is the main flaw in your system...  Having worked many jobs in my life one thing was a common TRUTH  Whenever you have a situation where a few do 80% of the work while the rest just put in time yet get the same paycheck, you will have serious problems. 

Everyone has run into this  the guy or gal that is always taking the extra smoke break or bathroom break. Go to any government office like the DMV and sit and watch.  You will see a few people processing several people quickly and efficiently in an hour  while many others are fidgiting with papers, getting up to check on something, pretending to types etc  Anything so they don't actually have to do any real work. THAT is why you wait so long in line...but then miraculously just at closing time they start to hustle

Your system has many flaws  like WHO will PAY to build the initial robots when they know that once built they will have a) no return on the investment and b) no future job. Your plan requires MANY people to give up everything and spend all they have to build the system. That is just not reality

Your system also completely ignores the BILLIONS of Chinese who are just now learning capitalism works as long as they stay out of politics and they LIKE it... and far outnumber us

Your system also completely ignores the BILLION or so Muslims who detest everything Western civilization has to offer. By admission of their own Sultans, these people already don't work and their only mission is to force their paradigm down everyone's throat.  And despite your belief that all the woes in the world are False Flags... anyone with a grip on reality can see that the Islamic invasion by immigration and migration has begun full swing

But mainly what you are expecting is that the 20% of hard workers, the movers and the shakers in the world, will give up their own 'selfish' pursuits and dreams so they can build that few system for the 80% Useless Eaters :P

Just not practical and history has showed us repeatedly what happens when anyone tries to start a Utopian society
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: zorgon on June 24, 2017, 02:08:40 PM
So, We are responsible for vetting Our information.  And You are comparing a web that has profit and power motives - where lies are protected - with what the web would be without such.  AnyOne found willfully putting out falsities would lose greatly in social currency.  No longer would They be trusted.  No longer would They have appreciation.  No longer would They have respect or be taken seriously.

Well that will mean that the internet will be a GHOST TOWN  Just look at Twitter and Facebook  90% of what people post (that isn't a selfie, photo or what they had for lunch) is PURE BULLSH!T  Either shared fron tabloid or made up hoaxes. Yet the sheep keep reposting these and believing them true  NO ONE vets ANYTHING because it takes to look  Even I have been caught reacting before checking (though I admit I like to stir the pot from time to time to wake the dead :P )

All the UFO stuff, the False Flag stuff, the Chentrail crap, the FEMA camp BS, the Nibiru and Flat Earth crap  on and on...  And this has NOTHING to do with money or control  it is what happens when you let the children play with matches

So all those people are already bankrupt in social currancy   but the REAL problem is that they actually BELIEVE the BS
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: biggles on June 24, 2017, 02:21:10 PM
I very much disagree with the quote "no one does anything except for selfish reasons".

I don't.  And that's the last I'm posting on this thread now.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: zorgon on June 24, 2017, 02:37:21 PM
I am not a Capitalist either, however, because I don't believe in becoming a billionaire as a justification for elitism.


Capitalism does not require you to become a Billionaire.  That is just Greed :P Capitalism gives you the FREEDOM to set your own level of comfort.

You don'y even have to really work... with online systems availbale like Etsy Amazon and Ebay and a score of others  you can sell ANYTHING online from your home... physical items, written works and artwork.

You can look at Craigslist daily under EVENTS  All kinds of free money and offers available  like writing product reviews for $50.00 a pop. Had a fellow on facebook that needed a job so I told him that craigslist in Vegas has many temp gigs like a greeter at a convention.  He said he lived in Cincinatti so I pulled up his local listing and right on the first page they were hiring movie extras that week and he humped on it

You can be a capitalist without falling victim to greed and only get what you need to be comfortable

Here is one  LOL a tad funny but real

Midget needed for weekend
© craigslist
compensation: $600.00 for the weekend
Look to hire a Midget to work as butler, maid, Etc. Must be able to smile and have fun. Not looking for a sex work so please do not apply. Job will not be till September 8 Thur the 10. Job pays $600.00 for the weekend. Will also cover food and drinks.


Here is a quick $100.00 to collect info from competitors booths

Student for collection at Convention ASAP! (Wynn Las Vegas)

compensation: $100USD flat rate plus Bonus per valid document

Looking for a Student or Resident for a 1 Day gig to collect from the pharmaceutical companies exhibiting at the medical conference, "DERM 2017" between 7/20-7/23 at Wynn Las Vegas.

We are looking for someone to collect the pharma/drug brochures, publications, and freebies that are available at the Pharmaceutical Companies booths.

$100USD flat rate plus Bonus per valid document


Trade Show Assistant for IBS and IECSC (Las Vegas Convention Center)
compensation: $20-25/hr


There are so many but yes you have to weed through scams and sex ads :P 
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: zorgon on June 24, 2017, 02:51:10 PM
Get out of the cities, Amy.  I see videos on YouTube about abandoned towns in America, all the time.  There are empty houses, and there is wood and other materials free for the taking.  The very earth itself contains numerous materials that you can build things with.

The woods are calling.

The problem with that is that the people who most have need of abandoned property are just too LAZY to do the work required to fix it up.

The laws in MOST states are such that if a property is abandoned for a length of time you can sqaut on it and after a certain amount of time you can file a claim of possession

If say you a rentor... leaves your car or trailer abandoned on my property after 90 days I can go to the DMV file an affidavit and get a legal title to the car for $45.00

In Florida a man squatted in a million dollar abandoned house. He used the law... he won despite the neighbors pissed off at him for getting a free house.. Courts ruled in his favor...  Now he did keep up and repair the place and he does now need to pay the taxes but it is his free and clear

But the people that live at the bottom of the food chain do not have the wherewithal to get up and fix things  so they let their kids swim in the trash they toss into their own drinking water  and then complain how the government is doing nothing 

(http://i.imgur.com/KMsQSqA.jpg)

Look at the shanty towns around the world... Total filth... There is no need for this  The Pioneers had nothing when they moved west. They cut trees and built cabins for FREE with only there sweat as payment (and having to fight of bandits and Natives. They had dirt floors but they kept them CLEAN

There are abandoned castles all over the world... You could form a group and move in... Romania has LOTS of them  and the government will even help you settle in

But the freeloaders and useless eaters do not have the will TO DO work TO MAKE IT HAPPEN  and that is why there are so many abandoned places
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: zorgon on June 24, 2017, 02:58:02 PM
Even though, at 60, and spending My life in pain, working 30+ YEARS like that, that now I am DISABLED, with thumbs shot, hunting/pecking on My computer with My fingers, I am being told there is something wrong with Me for not flipping burgers!


Well there are many here who are in constant pain and have disabilities.  If you are that disabled why have you not applied for Disability at Social Services?  A friend of mine on Facebook slipped and fell on icy stairs in Kansas City and lost the use of her arm... She just got her SS Disability at 900.00 a month plus a retroactive check dated to last January when the accident happened

Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Shasta56 on June 24, 2017, 04:32:46 PM
I have chronic back pain and shoulder pain.  I'm not a quadriplegic and wheelchair bound, so I still work.

Shasta
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: petrus4 on June 25, 2017, 02:22:18 AM
The problem with that is that the people who most have need of abandoned property are just too LAZY to do the work required to fix it up.

I probably wouldn't fix many of the ones I've seen up, in terms of making them look the way they did originally.  I could see myself ripping out the walls between the frame beams, and then literally just tying tarps between them, depending on which part of the house it is.  For the outer walls I'd put in something stronger obviously, but not for internal partitions.

You might call that lazy, but I say that plaster actually isn't as strong, and is also harder to replace when it inevitably starts to get wrecked.  If I tie a tarp up and make it taut, then if it gets ripped I can simply untie it and tie a new one in.  If I know it doesn't need to be waterproof, then I can also use other fabrics.  If they get dirty, untie, put in another while washing, then put the original one back when it's clean.

Building a decent shelter doesn't have to be difficult, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P73REgj-3UE

I'm not that great physically, but I could do this.  I'd just work slowly, perhaps; but I could get it done.  One of the main things that stopped me from trying anything for too long was the fact that I am slow, and most of the people I've known have had the attitude that if you can't do everything in 30 seconds, then you are supposedly useless and just should not try at all.

Ironically I became more productive in Nimbin than I've ever been in my life before that, because I learned how to pace myself.  Work for a few hours, stop, maybe eat, smoke a few cones, then work a few hours etc.

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The laws in MOST states are such that if a property is abandoned for a length of time you can sqaut on it and after a certain amount of time you can file a claim of possession

I don't think Australian squatting law (http://www.findlaw.com.au/articles/5155/can-a-squatter-claim-title-to-a-property-the-laws-.aspx) is that good, unfortunately.  We have lots of Chinese people apparently buying property here and then leaving it empty while they stay in the old country.  I don't really understand why they would do that, since they don't seem to have anyone renting either, in many cases.

Then again, my attitude has always been that the law is only as binding as the ability to practically enforce it.  If I want to squat and the cops don't catch me, then I don't need to care what they think.  Keep my computer portable, stay mobile; maybe have a tent but take advantage of an old basement if I find it, etc.  I don't know how many abandoned places there are in Australia, but it looks as though there are some.  I know there are some old mining towns in Victoria at least, but getting to them could be tricky.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 25, 2017, 07:32:45 AM
People work tirelessly on robots?  LOL!  PLENTY of People would LOVE to do that.  And robots will work on robots.  It's not as if some People will be slaves to create robots so the rest can live comfortably.  Wow.  Just wow.  We ALL will live comfortably, able to do what We love to do.  But I guess it's better Now, with huge swaths of People living in abject poverty, working jobs They HATE, making the Few at the top VERY rich.  With the bulk of OUR planet's wealth flowing to Them.  Yeah.  FAR better Now than what We CAN create.  Children dying of starvation is a good thing.  I guess.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: ArMaP on June 25, 2017, 09:03:27 AM
But I guess it's better Now, with huge swaths of People living in abject poverty, working jobs They HATE, making the Few at the top VERY rich.
What we have now it's not better than your dream, but it's real, while you dream it's just that, a dream.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: petrus4 on June 25, 2017, 09:23:00 AM
Yes a very small box with a huge ego crammed inside

 8)

One other thing I will mention, is that we all have our own ways of obtaining narcissistic supply and a sense of power over others, Zorgon.  Yours is to pretend to be a king.  Mine and Amy's are something else.  I am not making value judgements about either one here, either; because most people would probably find both abhorrent, while of course neglecting to mention what their control drama of choice is.

It is what it is.  Attacking each other for egotism is pointless and almost always hypocritical, since in this day and age, none of us are immune.  We are all narcissists.  We all want to see ourselves as the stars or heroes or saviours of our own personal universes.  I want it, you want it, Amy wants it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7T64Qo3bdU

Your fantasy, as I said, is monarchy.  Mine while I was playing World of Warcraft, was (and to a certain extent still is) to be an archetypical cross between Thomas Jefferson and the Nepalese Gurkhas, yet if you saw me in real life, you'd know what a bad joke that idea is.  I play that character here, though, and you've all seen me doing it.  Mirshalak is my Batman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkAs4ZzG2zk

The person behind my Orcish mask is someone who most of you would view with contempt.  Terrified, vulnerable, and routinely sees himself as helpless and powerless.  He would be willing to do nothing other than sit in front of a computer, night after night until 5 in the morning, in a bedroom at his mother's house, continually gaining weight until he died, alone.  With my mask on, however, I am a libertarian, survivalist, and shaman of Kali Ma; and I've even had some offline bleed through while in Nimbin, where the results, although positive, have at times been a little scary.

Amy's fantasy is similar to Jacque Fresco's; to get a group of people together and create a Utopian society, and to be remembered historically as the saviour of the planet.  It's a beautiful dream, and I can't hold it against her, because the consequences would genuinely be glorious if it was to occur.

I think one challenge that Amy possibly does have, however, is to realise that to a certain extent, these fantasies need to remain exactly that.  At the end of the day, Zorgon isn't really a king, and I am a very, very long way from physically being a nine foot Orc who fights people with a bow and dual wielding kukris.  I suspect that sadly, Amy isn't going to end up being the herald of the Abundance Paradigm, either.

Yet as some of us know, the quantum barrier can be a porous thing; and there can be bleedthrough into offline reality.  I can counsel, feed people, and heal, and Zorgon can roleplay with the group of people who have consented to that.  While accepting that it isn't going to be completely real, Amy can continue to find ways to subtlely inspire people, in terms of what is possible.

And who knows?  Maybe in our next births, Zorgon will be a medieval King, Amy will reincarnate as Izzy, and I will find myself on Draenor.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: thorfourwinds on June 25, 2017, 11:54:33 AM
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10005/ROBOT_FIRED_dees.jpg)

Greetings petrus4:

Thank you for that eloquent presentation.

I always find your way of writing from the heart inspiring.   8)

With great respect
thorfourwinds/rabunopsec
Peace Love Light
Hec'el oinipikte (that we may live)
Mni Wiconi, Water Is Life
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 26, 2017, 06:19:41 AM
What we have now it's not better than your dream, but it's real, while you dream it's just that, a dream.

No, it is not a dream, ArMaP.  It is a challenge.  When enough of Us are consenting to doing it better, We WILL create better here.

EDIT to add:  Let Me ask You...  Do You think We should just throw up Our hands and accept what is Now, or work towards co-creating better?
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 26, 2017, 06:34:55 AM
One other thing I will mention, is that we all have our own ways of obtaining narcissistic supply and a sense of power over others, Zorgon.  Yours is to pretend to be a king.  Mine and Amy's are something else.  I am not making value judgements about either one here, either; because most people would probably find both abhorrent, while of course neglecting to mention what their control drama of choice is.

Hmmmm.  Interesting that You should suggest this of Me, petrus...  "Narcissistic?"  Power over Others?  Frankly, I have NO desire to have power over Others.  I only wish for enough of Us who want to co-create better here on Our planet.  What I really want is to live comfortably, doing things I love to do, with the ability to travel.  I am driven to do what I can such that EVERYONE has that freedom.  Do I LIKE what I do to bring about the efforts of Many towards the creation of a better place for all of Us?  No.  But if I let it go, there would be little point to My life, and My daughter will grow up in a police state, controlled, enslaved world.  In truth, I want most that My daughter have freedom.

As for "narcissism..."  I have said many times before, and will say again:  if anyOne wants to take My work and put Their name to it, sharing it and working towards the goals, I don't care!  In fact, if the efforts are made and the betterment built, and MY name vanishes from the minds of All, I will be THRILLED!  I want this for Humanity and mostly for My daughter, irrespective of ME.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: ArMaP on June 26, 2017, 07:51:34 AM
No, it is not a dream, ArMaP.  It is a challenge.
It's a dream because it's based on things we do not have.

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When enough of Us are consenting to doing it better, We WILL create better here.
Consent is irrelevant, actions is what counts.

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Let Me ask You...  Do You think We should just throw up Our hands and accept what is Now, or work towards co-creating better?
Typical. Do you think that your option is the only one, so it's either that or nothing?

No, I don't think we should accept things as they are, as I just don't see talking about things we cannot do today as a solution. Also, even if it was based on things we have, one thing is having an idea, the other thing is having a plan, and you only have an idea.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 26, 2017, 08:07:02 AM
It's a dream because it's based on things we do not have.

Like what?  Robots?  The interweb?  Or free energy?  We do have all three - some of Us have free energy, but keep it well hidden and suppressed.  So...  What don't We have?

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Consent is irrelevant, actions is what counts.

Wrong, in that consent is EVERYTHING, which then leads to actions.  When We smile at the state bullies Most call "police," and do NOT create controversy by refusing Their offer to make Us subject to Them, but make the counter offer to be happy to be subject IF They prove We are subject (having withdrawn consent, there is NO proof), in enough numbers, They will have no power.  Yes, the brave Ones who initially do this are likely to be bullied anyway.  But again...  When enough of Us are doing this, They will have no power.

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Typical. Do you think that your option is the only one, so it's either that or nothing?

LOL!  No...  Not the only one - just the BEST one in the end.  Anything that retains money or top-down controlmind WILL promote psychopaths to power.  That is the nature of such tools.  "Typical..."  Pffft.

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No, I don't think we should accept things as they are, as I just don't see talking about things we cannot do today as a solution. Also, even if it was based on things we have, one thing is having an idea, the other thing is having a plan, and you only have an idea.

Given that I developed a better system, I cannot call THAT "just talking."  Given that I have withdrawn My consent, I cannot call that "just talking."  Given that I cannot do it by Myself alone, and must offer the ideas to Others to consider, what tool do YOU suggest I use to share awareness so that Others can choose whether or not to help co-create, other than "just talking?"

And the plan is to share awareness to the tipping point such that We all are aware of the options I offer, and can choose based on them.  When enough of Us are aware that We CAN create better on Our planet, We WILL.  What other plan might You suggest?
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: petrus4 on June 26, 2017, 08:36:17 AM
Hmmmm.  Interesting that You should suggest this of Me, petrus...

I accused everyone of it, Amy.  Including me, including you.  No one is immune; at least no one living in our society, in the current time.  Some of us have better control of it than others, and some of us try and channel it towards objectives that are genuinely noble or beautiful, as I noted; but that doesn't mean, in any case, that it isn't there.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: micjer on June 26, 2017, 09:49:35 AM
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10005/ROBOT_FIRED_dees.jpg)




This also came to mind...

(http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/mcdonalds-kiosks-600_zpsmxjvlfk7.jpg) (http://s562.photobucket.com/user/Micjer_2009/media/mcdonalds-kiosks-600_zpsmxjvlfk7.jpg.html)


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-23/mcdonalds-replacing-2500-human-cashiers-digital-kiosks-here-its-math
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 26, 2017, 10:39:39 AM
I accused everyone of it, Amy.  Including me, including you.  No one is immune; at least no one living in our society, in the current time.  Some of us have better control of it than others, and some of us try and channel it towards objectives that are genuinely noble or beautiful, as I noted; but that doesn't mean, in any case, that it isn't there.

I guess.  [shrug]  I have never noticed a desire to either hold power over anOther - in fact I delight in allowing Others the freedom to make Their own choices within the confines of Ethics only - or be "famous."  I really would be quite happy being unknown if this world were functioning well for most everyOne.  I look forward to the day I can go off and do My own thing without having to worry about how I will sustain My survival, and hope to be left alone.  Fame does not attract Me.  As I said, if I did not feel so strongly that I must, knowing what I know, do My very best to create better here, I would not put forth the effort.  It hurts to type.  It hurts to sit.  It hurts to mouse.  But it would hurt My heart to give up, and THAT I cannot stand.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 26, 2017, 11:05:12 AM

This also came to mind...

(http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/mcdonalds-kiosks-600_zpsmxjvlfk7.jpg) (http://s562.photobucket.com/user/Micjer_2009/media/mcdonalds-kiosks-600_zpsmxjvlfk7.jpg.html)


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-23/mcdonalds-replacing-2500-human-cashiers-digital-kiosks-here-its-math

All the more reason to work to get free energy out so that We don't have to find a way to plug Our energy in to survive - or give up control of Our lives to the Ones who own the corporations Most call "governments" with a dole across the board.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: ArMaP on June 26, 2017, 02:06:44 PM
Like what?  Robots?  The interweb?  Or free energy?  We do have all three - some of Us have free energy, but keep it well hidden and suppressed.  So...  What don't We have?
Do you know anyone that has that "free energy" you keep talking about? I do not?

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LOL!  No...  Not the only one - just the BEST one in the end.  Anything that retains money or top-down controlmind WILL promote psychopaths to power.  That is the nature of such tools.  "Typical..."  Pffft.
What promotes psychopaths to power is power itself. Like the power (I think) you abused in this thread, when you named it "Attacking the Messenger".

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Given that I developed a better system, I cannot call THAT "just talking."
You developed a system that cannot be even be tested to see if it's better or not, so yes, it's just talking.

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Given that I have withdrawn My consent, I cannot call that "just talking."
How did you do it? What actions did you do that affected the system?

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Given that I cannot do it by Myself alone, and must offer the ideas to Others to consider, what tool do YOU suggest I use to share awareness so that Others can choose whether or not to help co-create, other than "just talking?"
First of all, get a real plan instead of a dream. When you present a dream most people will think "good luck with that".

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And the plan is to share awareness to the tipping point such that We all are aware of the options I offer, and can choose based on them.  When enough of Us are aware that We CAN create better on Our planet, We WILL.  What other plan might You suggest?
The first thing I suggest is stopping spamming your ideas all over the place, I don't know what other people think, but I'm tired of seeing the same old talk about "psychopaths have the power".

Quality over quantity should be better.
Title: Re: Attacking the Messenger
Post by: zorgon on June 26, 2017, 02:19:52 PM
Bumped forward with corrections
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: biggles on June 26, 2017, 03:53:26 PM
I know that I'm on a different time zone, but I hope they come back.

Personal attacks like that you described Will Not be tolerated if I see it.

Press the report button or block if you can, and yes, that goes for me too.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 27, 2017, 07:07:27 AM
Do you know anyone that has that "free energy" you keep talking about? I do not?

I knew My father who worked with TT Brown and told Us that They were getting gravity control and energy from the aether.  Now, however, it is in black projects.  I don't know anyOne in black projects.  Do You?

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What promotes psychopaths to power is power itself. Like the power (I think) you abused in this thread, when you named it "Attacking the Messenger".

Uh...  Lest You missed it...  Money offers power over Others, so yeah.  Money promotes psychopaths.  Top-down controlmind offers power over Others, so it too promotes psychopaths.  Ergo, these tools, with their power over Others, promote psychopaths.

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You developed a system that cannot be even be tested to see if it's better or not, so yes, it's just talking.

I guess.

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How did you do it? What actions did you do that affected the system?

Well, until I have a "run-in," nothing yet.  When I do I will report back.

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First of all, get a real plan instead of a dream. When you present a dream most people will think "good luck with that".

It is a plan.  Yes I rely on Others to help build it - and I can show what needs to be built.  I DO show what needs to be built.

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The first thing I suggest is stopping spamming your ideas all over the place, I don't know what other people think, but I'm tired of seeing the same old talk about "psychopaths have the power".

That is Your choice to be tired.  But it does not affect the fact that psychopaths are in control.  And when it is illustrated in something brought up in a thread, I WILL mention it.  For the visitors that are reading.  Ban Me if You think that is "spamming."
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: petrus4 on June 27, 2017, 08:24:12 AM
The first thing I suggest is stopping spamming your ideas all over the place, I don't know what other people think, but I'm tired of seeing the same old talk about "psychopaths have the power".

As someone who was obsessed with psychopaths for close to 20 years, I can tell you that it does eventually cause you to start to turn into one yourself.  I only started to regain my faith in humanity, once I stopped immersing myself in information about them.  On that score at least, Nietszche was right.

"He who fights monsters should see to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

-- Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Shasta56 on June 27, 2017, 08:38:00 AM
"The Machine Stops," by E.M. Forster is a short novel about a Utopian society.  Everything is available in abundance, people have no need to work.  Their every need is provided for.  Until the machine stops.

Shasta
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 27, 2017, 10:07:10 AM
"The Machine Stops," by E.M. Forster is a short novel about a Utopian society.  Everything is available in abundance, people have no need to work.  Their every need is provided for.  Until the machine stops.

Shasta

That is fiction, and is not decentralized.  In the abundance paradigm, with free energy, the power and machines are all over.  As are the governing servers allowing problems to be solved for.  If one goes down, the others still run.  Good premise for a story, though.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 27, 2017, 10:14:52 AM
As someone who was obsessed with psychopaths for close to 20 years, I can tell you that it does eventually cause you to start to turn into one yourself.  I only started to regain my faith in humanity, once I stopped immersing myself in information about them.  On that score at least, Nietszche was right.

"He who fights monsters should see to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

-- Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil.

I would not say I am obsessed with psychopaths, per se, but to make it clear to Others that psychopaths are in control.  I surely am not a psychopath, caring so VERY deeply for Humanity, so beset by psychopaths aiming at controlling Our lives 100%, 24/7.  Struggling in poverty on the rich planet stolen from Them.  Plugging Their energy into the (money) system in any way They can - whether They hate the work, are bored to tears by it, or (rarely) love what They do - just to survive.

I ACHE to make things better for Them on Their birthright, Their planet.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: petrus4 on June 27, 2017, 11:30:18 AM
"The Machine Stops," by E.M. Forster is a short novel about a Utopian society.  Everything is available in abundance, people have no need to work.  Their every need is provided for.  Until the machine stops.

Shasta

I just read that, Shasta.  The story is here (http://archive.ncsa.illinois.edu/prajlich/forster.html), if anyone is interested, and I highly recommend reading it.  I have never seen a clearer expression of the reason behind my instinctive revulsion towards mobile phones.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: ArMaP on June 27, 2017, 03:45:05 PM
Now, however, it is in black projects.  I don't know anyOne in black projects.
So, you don't know anyone in black projects but say that it's in black projects. OK.

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Do You?
I'm not the one saying that something nobody saw exists only in black projects, am I?

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Uh...  Lest You missed it...  Money offers power over Others, so yeah.  Money promotes psychopaths.  Top-down controlmind offers power over Others, so it too promotes psychopaths.  Ergo, these tools, with their power over Others, promote psychopaths.
Look at this forum. You don't get any money from your actions but you weren't shy abusing your power over another member to make her look bad, using the thread title to control the minds of the people who read it.

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It is a plan.
So, what's the first step?

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That is Your choice to be tired.
Not really, it's a reaction to you constant bombardment of "psychopaths this" and "controlmind that". Don't you get tired if you stand up for too long? It's the same thing.

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But it does not affect the fact that psychopaths are in control.
Sure there are, I'm talking to one just now.  :P

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And when it is illustrated in something brought up in a thread, I WILL mention it.
But you should stop when the owner of the forum says so, right?

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For the visitors that are reading.
To make them go away?

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Ban Me if You think that is "spamming."
You were invited, I don't think I should ban you unless it's for something really bad.

But it's not that bad, it's not as if you are dangerous to the forum like a lion or something, you're as dangerous as a tick: a nuisance that can be removed if the owner wants to and that few people (if any) will remember two weeks later.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 28, 2017, 10:18:17 AM
So, you don't know anyone in black projects but say that it's in black projects. OK.

My dad was affiliated with black ops - but He died in 1996.  So no, today I don't know anyOne.  All I can do is offer the data Dad gave Me before it went black.  And They were extracting energy from the aether.

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Look at this forum. You don't get any money from your actions but you weren't shy abusing your power over another member to make her look bad, using the thread title to control the minds of the people who read it.

I did NOT try to make anyOne "look bad."  I split the thread where I first saw a deviation from the topic of psyops and going after Me.  Sorry I saw that as the point at which it happened.  The idea was NOT to "make someone look bad," but to remove the attacking comments to their own thread.

Seriously, I perceive You as being on a high horse, and suggest You get off it.

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So, what's the first step?

I have told You.  Get awareness to the tipping point.  Then, Those who can have the option of building the servers and site to govern Ourselves on, experiment on free energy and share successes freely, identify where robots are needed because not enough of Us WANT to do a necessary job and build them.

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Not really, it's a reaction to you constant bombardment of "psychopaths this" and "controlmind that". Don't you get tired if you stand up for too long? It's the same thing.

BS.  Physical tiredness is a different animal from feelings.  You choose how You feel about something by whether You think about it and HOW You are thinking about it when You choose to think about it.  That is NOT My responsibility but Yours.

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Sure there are, I'm talking to one just now.  :P

Fully uncalled for, ArMap.  You know damned well I am not a psychopath.

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But you should stop when the owner of the forum says so, right?

Where has the owner said that?

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To make them go away?

Childish, ArMaP. 

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You were invited, I don't think I should ban you unless it's for something really bad.

But it's not that bad, it's not as if you are dangerous to the forum like a lion or something, you're as dangerous as a tick: a nuisance that can be removed if the owner wants to and that few people (if any) will remember two weeks later.

Whatever.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: ArMaP on June 28, 2017, 04:06:06 PM
I did NOT try to make anyOne "look bad."  I split the thread where I first saw a deviation from the topic of psyops and going after Me.  Sorry I saw that as the point at which it happened.  The idea was NOT to "make someone look bad," but to remove the attacking comments to their own thread.
Not only the place you split the thread, the title you chose was a distorting of the facts. As I said before, it was not an attack on you and much less as a messenger, it was an opinion.

But, as I think I said before also, it's your own area, so you are responsible for it.

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Seriously, I perceive You as being on a high horse, and suggest You get off it.
Honesty is not a "high horse".

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I have told You.  Get awareness to the tipping point.
Awareness of what? That your father told you something? If you have nothing to show most people will think "nice story, tell it to Reader's Digest".

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Then, Those who can have the option of building the servers and site to govern Ourselves on, experiment on free energy and share successes freely, identify where robots are needed because not enough of Us WANT to do a necessary job and build them.
And where do they get the free energy?

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BS.  Physical tiredness is a different animal from feelings.
You don't think that mental tiredness is a physical tiredness? OK.

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Fully uncalled for, ArMap.  You know damned well I am not a psychopath.
As you could see from the smilie it was said (half) joking, but some of your actions/reactions are common to psychopath's actions/reactions, like the lack of empathy to the "slaves" and the egotistic way in which you keep on repeating your psychopaths "mantra" even when people clearly think that you are going to far with that. You may not be aware of that, but you do share some traits with the psychopaths.

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Where has the owner said that?
You didn't answer my question.

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Childish, ArMaP.
You're right, sorry for that.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: AliensShrinkedMyPony on June 28, 2017, 04:08:13 PM
If I could switch to the timeline where irene were still here instead of you Amerterasu, I would love to switch to that timeline.
No, I would prefer the timeline where both of you are friends !

It's only my opinion. I love to live  and I care for people, animals, anything. I dont talk about that, I live that lifestyle.

In my short period of time as a member here i read much input from all of you !
It's a pleasure to me. All the work and research and the love for that matter. It's awesome to be a member on this
forum.

If you are the one who likes to play nicely, Amerterasu,  please do something.
How do you sleep at night ? I would feel the discomfort all night long.

I want irene returns to us !  :)


 
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: biggles on June 28, 2017, 04:39:44 PM
I think we have to blame another "piece of work" for Irene not being here.

 It has been duly noted and reported though.  :P
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 28, 2017, 06:29:11 PM
If I could switch to the timeline where irene were still here instead of you Amerterasu, I would love to switch to that timeline.
No, I would prefer the timeline where both of you are friends !

It's only my opinion. I love to live  and I care for people, animals, anything. I dont talk about that, I live that lifestyle.

In my short period of time as a member here i read much input from all of you !
It's a pleasure to me. All the work and research and the love for that matter. It's awesome to be a member on this
forum.

If you are the one who likes to play nicely, Amerterasu,  please do something.
How do you sleep at night ? I would feel the discomfort all night long.

I want irene returns to us !  :)

What would You like Me to do?  "Irene, please come back!"  To be frank, I didn't notice She left, nor that anyOne would think it's MY fault.  I did not choose Her behavior, Her choice to feel about things as She has chosen, nor make the first attack (on another thread, not this one).  If People want Me to leave again, I am happy to do so.  I would not hang out where I am unwanted.

Say the word.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 28, 2017, 06:43:51 PM
As you could see from the smilie it was said (half) joking, but some of your actions/reactions are common to psychopath's actions/reactions, like the lack of empathy to the "slaves" and the egotistic way in which you keep on repeating your psychopaths "mantra" even when people clearly think that you are going to far with that. You may not be aware of that, but you do share some traits with the psychopaths.

Um...  Lack of empathy for the "slaves???"  OMG!  It is BECAUSE I so feel Their pain, stripped of the ability to do what They love to do, dragging Themselves out of bed at the appointed hour to schlep in to plug Their energy into some job (with high probability of its being one there ONLY to keep the wealth flowing to the top) that most likely They wish They didn't have to do to survive that I am so driven.  If I did not care, if I did not have empathy, if My compassion for the multitudes on Our planet were lacking, You can bet Your sweet ass I would not bother to put forth this effort.  I would do something that serves ME alone.

Who is recipient of the bulk of the wealth on Our planet?  Who suppresses natural healthcare in favor of profit?  Who is putting on psyops to create an artificial "reality?"  Who is moving things towards a police state?  Who is using psyops to create more draconian rules?  Who is building Us up to WWIII?  Caring, compassionate, empathetic Ones?  No.  Psychopaths.  If They were not psychopaths, things would not look the way They do.  (And that is the VERY short list of a HUGE number of psychopathic things I can point to.)

And if z asks Me to shut up about this fact, I will drop it - and the site.  Waste of M'time, then.  Might as well discuss kittens, and only kittens, if THAT is verboten.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: biggles on June 28, 2017, 06:51:26 PM
Most of us know very well who it was that posted disgusting, vicious personal language to Irene.  You know who that was too Amy, don't make out you don't, I wouldn't believe it.

But I have made my opinions on this other one's vile nature to certain people and reported it and if she wants to come on and attack me, feel free, I'm ready for it this time.  >:(
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 28, 2017, 07:28:21 PM
Most of us know very well who it was that posted disgusting, vicious personal language to Irene.  You know who that was too Amy, don't make out you don't, I wouldn't believe it.

But I have made my opinions on this other one's vile nature to certain people and reported it and if she wants to come on and attack me, feel free, I'm ready for it this time.  >:(

Actually, biggles.  I was unaware anyOne had done that.  Or did not see whatever it was in that light - perhaps - but nothing comes to mind.  Believe what You wish.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: AliensShrinkedMyPony on June 28, 2017, 11:21:37 PM
What would You like Me to do?  "Irene, please come back!"  To be frank, I didn't notice She left, nor that anyOne would think it's MY fault.  I did not choose Her behavior, Her choice to feel about things as She has chosen, nor make the first attack (on another thread, not this one).  If People want Me to leave again, I am happy to do so.  I would not hang out where I am unwanted.

Say the word.

I don´t want you to leave nor I didnt like you. I saw that you & irene had different opinions.
Isn´t it bad to know that someone else leave because of that ?
Have a chat with her or something. I dont want to say irene doesnt do anything.

Don´t know what´s happen exactly - saw the conversations from both of you a few days ago.

Ignore each other in the future like mature people maybe.
The forum is big enough to support different opinions, you and irene should work together.
We are all on the same mission. Looking for answers. Because of that I love this forum.
No ad infected site with fake people, fake mods and being observed by the mighty ones to study our tinfoilhead comments.


 
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: biggles on June 29, 2017, 12:01:01 AM
Actually, biggles.  I was unaware anyOne had done that.  Or did not see whatever it was in that light - perhaps - but nothing comes to mind.  Believe what You wish.

It has been deleted I think; I have looked through both threads; the nasty, vial, destructive post made by a female member who I wont mention; and so it should be.  We don't need disgusting words like that directed at another member, male or female. 
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: zorgon on June 29, 2017, 12:30:13 AM
Bumped forward... with correction.  Since the original main offensive post was split and then deleted I though it had been taken care of... But i see there are still some issues to resolve

I guess.  [shrug]  I have never noticed a desire to either hold power over anOther - in fact I delight in allowing Others the freedom to make Their own choices within the confines of Ethics only - or be "famous."

You speak about ETHICS  yet you have no problem playing the role of "psychopath and calling someone  names in a public space...

When you use such  names to dress down someone who does not share your view of the world, then you have NO ethics  and are no better than the 'psychopaths' you espouse.  Calling ANYONE here a slave because they can and do work within the system is NOT a good way to get your message out.

Everyone gets angry at times over many issues. But you have shown us all that despite your high and mighty plan, you just as quickly resort to human nature as anyone else.

The main complain was another vile attack by Sinny using some pretty foul language that was totally uncalled for. She has received PM regarding this and this kind of behavior will not be tolerated even if it means the halls will be empty.

And in this case a good member left the forum.... deleting her account as she felt it necessary to quit the forum because myself nor our staff dealt with removing that post in a timely manner.

I do not know yet if this can be undone... I would be sad if she doesn't return as she was a great member of our team.  For my part I apologize for not dealing with it more quickly as I am up to my neck trying to sort out my own current issues..

But I will say this  consider this a last warning... anymore post like that and you (both of you) will be shown the door.  I hope that is clear. NO ONE here will put up with name calling of that nastiness.

i had removed this post but it was decided that it needs to be said so I have reset it here.

I have emailed irene and have reset her account, but since it was deleted which is a PERMANENT action and cannot be undone, she will appear as new member.  I am sure she will return when she is ready
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: zorgon on June 29, 2017, 12:35:11 AM
It has been deleted I think; I have looked through both threads; the nasty, vial, destructive post made by a female member who I wont mention; and so it should be.  We don't need disgusting words like that directed at another member, male or female.

yes it was deleted  unfortunately not fast enough...

Members can flag a post like that any time... it appear in RED at the top of all moderator pages so it can be handled faster by any staff

But use that button wisely :P  Not for trivial complaints :D
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: ArMaP on June 29, 2017, 01:19:18 AM
Um...  Lack of empathy for the "slaves???"  OMG!  It is BECAUSE I so feel Their pain, stripped of the ability to do what They love to do, dragging Themselves out of bed at the appointed hour to schlep in to plug Their energy into some job (with high probability of its being one there ONLY to keep the wealth flowing to the top) that most likely They wish They didn't have to do to survive that I am so driven.  If I did not care, if I did not have empathy, if My compassion for the multitudes on Our planet were lacking, You can bet Your sweet ass I would not bother to put forth this effort.  I would do something that serves ME alone.
The problem is that your words talk about the people in general but the actions I from you see don't seem to be applied to individual people in practice, as if you think about humanity but not about individual humans.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: space otter on June 29, 2017, 07:28:12 AM


i groan  when log on i see this stupid thread.. can you guys toss itsomewhere
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: micjer on June 29, 2017, 08:08:47 AM
This is what should happen to this thread.............



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Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 29, 2017, 08:19:28 AM
I don´t want you to leave nor I didnt like you. I saw that you & irene had different opinions.
Isn´t it bad to know that someone else leave because of that ?
Have a chat with her or something. I dont want to say irene doesnt do anything.

Don´t know what´s happen exactly - saw the conversations from both of you a few days ago.

Ignore each other in the future like mature people maybe.
The forum is big enough to support different opinions, you and irene should work together.
We are all on the same mission. Looking for answers. Because of that I love this forum.
No ad infected site with fake people, fake mods and being observed by the mighty ones to study our tinfoilhead comments.

Aliens...  I only just met this Irene Person when I returned to this site.  I don't know anything about Her but that She cannot grasp what I am trying to do here on this planet.  I have no idea how to get a hold of Her.  I never came at Her unprovoked - I do not do that to anyOne - and even then, was most patient with Her, overall.  And it would seem it was not Me that caused Her exodus, but someOne else who make a post I never saw...
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 29, 2017, 08:21:59 AM
It has been deleted I think; I have looked through both threads; the nasty, vial, destructive post made by a female member who I wont mention; and so it should be.  We don't need disgusting words like that directed at another member, male or female.

I am here to say that I never saw that post, if it was as vile as You suggest.  It must have appeared and been taken down between My visits.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 29, 2017, 08:28:11 AM
Bumped forward... with correction.  Since the original main offensive post was split and then deleted I though it had been taken care of... But i see there are still some issues to resolve

You speak about ETHICS  yet you have no problem playing the role of "psychopath and calling someone  names in a public space...

When you use such  names to dress down someone who does not share your view of the world, then you have NO ethics  and are no better than the 'psychopaths' you espouse.  Calling ANYONE here a slave because they can and do work within the system is NOT a good way to get your message out.

Everyone gets angry at times over many issues. But you have shown us all that despite your high and mighty plan, you just as quickly resort to human nature as anyone else.

The main complain was another vile attack by Sinny using some pretty foul language that was totally uncalled for. She has received PM regarding this and this kind of behavior will not be tolerated even if it means the halls will be empty.

And in this case a good member left the forum.... deleting her account as she felt it necessary to quit the forum because myself nor our staff dealt with removing that post in a timely manner.

I do not know yet if this can be undone... I would be sad if she doesn't return as she was a great member of our team.  For my part I apologize for not dealing with it more quickly as I am up to my neck trying to sort out my own current issues..

But I will say this  consider this a last warning... anymore post like that and you (both of you) will be shown the door.  I hope that is clear. NO ONE here will put up with name calling of that nastiness.

i had removed this post but it was decided that it needs to be said so I have reset it here.

I have emailed irene and have reset her account, but since it was deleted which is a PERMANENT action and cannot be undone, she will appear as new member.  I am sure she will return when she is ready

Yes, z, if I remember correctly I DID respond poorly to being attacked on that other thread, but I also recall using the word, "IF" - as in:  IF You believe such-and-such, then You're so-and-so.  Because that is how I operate.  And I do think responding to a direct attack with such suggestion is not unEthical, nor is it psychopathic.  Yes, it was emoption-based, and yes, I chose My behavior poorly.  If ever I am attacked like that in the future, I will try to choose My behavior more wisely.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 29, 2017, 08:29:23 AM

i groan  when log on i see this stupid thread.. can you guys toss itsomewhere

Just don't click, eh?  [smile]
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 29, 2017, 08:30:23 AM
The problem is that your words talk about the people in general but the actions I from you see don't seem to be applied to individual people in practice, as if you think about humanity but not about individual humans.

Do please offer examples, ArMaP.  I have no clue what You are alluding to.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: space otter on June 29, 2017, 10:02:11 AM


ok Amy
I don’t click on it but the title and the continued back and forth with no solution that I read in the beginning of it     is not what should be  polluting the list of topics to read imo  especially when it just doesn’t seem to have an end

also imo is  my frustration with you continuing to promote yourself and bragging even that the folks you have currently conned into  giving you room, board and completely FREE internet access and your saying that they do it cause it makes them feel good does not  make  me want to  do  the smile thing in quotes.....more like GAG without quotes

I feel you are an intelligent woman when not promoting your fairy tale and have many interesting things to add on many levels

so may I please request  you stop trying to sale your fairy tale stuff here.. that way no one will pick on you and you won’t have to defend it

I have written this in as non attack words as I can come up with   

Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 29, 2017, 10:28:57 AM

ok Amy
I don’t click on it but the title and the continued back and forth with no solution that I read in the beginning of it     is not what should be  polluting the list of topics to read imo  especially when it just doesn’t seem to have an end

also imo is  my frustration with you continuing to promote yourself and bragging even that the folks you have currently conned into  giving you room, board and completely FREE internet access and your saying that they do it cause it makes them feel good does not  make  me want to  do  the smile thing in quotes.....more like GAG without quotes

I feel you are an intelligent woman when not promoting your fairy tale and have many interesting things to add on many levels

so may I please request  you stop trying to sale your fairy tale stuff here.. that way no one will pick on you and you won’t have to defend it

I have written this in as non attack words as I can come up with

If someOne reaching out to Me and offering WITHOUT ME ASKING is "conning," then, yeah...  I'm "conning."  I do not promote a fairy tale but specific things We can do and more things We can do if We have the wherewithal.  Sorry You cannot grasp.  Do have a nice life.  (Where You got "bragging" from stumps Me.  I have merely mentioned My situation, expressing sincere gratitude, even.  It is on YOU that You see "bragging.")

EDIT to add:  This section is for My work.  Specifically.  No, I will NOT quit offering My work here.  Unless z asks Me to, and then...  I will leave the board and will not be back.  What would be the point?
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Somamech on June 29, 2017, 10:52:39 AM
Dude's, there is NO Need for Drama  :P

All you have to do is post in section's which you feel you can handle with your level of interest. 

There is no reason for anyone of us to argue till we sit at home with bruised finger tip's and increased heart rate due to what someone said on a forum of this nature. :)

Keep cool and think about where you post here, think about your idea's and whether it's contructive.  Give grace to those like Amy who have a section, and likewise Grace should be given back!

At the end of the day all we share are idea's, thoughts and feeling's. There is no need to let them become hateful amongst other folke who if you were to meet in real life you may just find pleasent!

 
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on June 29, 2017, 11:22:49 AM
Dude's, there is NO Need for Drama  :P

All you have to do is post in section's which you feel you can handle with your level of interest. 

There is no reason for anyone of us to argue till we sit at home with bruised finger tip's and increased heart rate due to what someone said on a forum of this nature. :)

Keep cool and think about where you post here, think about your idea's and whether it's contructive.  Give grace to those like Amy who have a section, and likewise Grace should be given back!

At the end of the day all we share are idea's, thoughts and feeling's. There is no need to let them become hateful amongst other folke who if you were to meet in real life you may just find pleasent!

I have given Thee gold, Soma.  Thank You for Your even-handed approach.  It is refreshing.
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: The Seeker on June 29, 2017, 01:06:03 PM
  This section is for My work.  Specifically.  No, I will NOT quit offering My work here.  Unless z asks Me to, and then...  I will leave the board and will not be back.  What would be the point?
You specifically have your section for your work  8)

any post you make in any thread outside your section that has anything to do with TAP, psychopaths, or affiliated with it in any way, shape, form, or manner, will be moved to a thread in your area.

Fair enough?
Title: Re: Tickling the Messenger
Post by: Amaterasu on July 05, 2017, 08:51:38 PM
You specifically have your section for your work  8)

any post you make in any thread outside your section that has anything to do with TAP, psychopaths, or affiliated with it in any way, shape, form, or manner, will be moved to a thread in your area.

Fair enough?

I just saw this post.  My answer is:  Not really.  If I cannot express Myself on subjects brought up elsewhere...  Meh.  I'm outie.