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Re: Malaysia flight 370 Where is it?
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2014, 11:06:24 am »
Currently involved with checking the below link from Digiglobe who are using crowdsourcing to look for Flight 370.  They have opened up their servers so people can help look for the aircraft using their satellite inmages,

http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/282165

That is the satellite map I am looking at right now.


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Re: Malaysia flight 370 Where is it?
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2014, 11:56:02 am »


and now this....
you know when that many folk perrish at once you can feel it..i don't think they died..
i think the gov's know exactly what happened and are working something behind the scences
what..? is anyones guess



http://news.msn.com/world/malaysian-leader-planes-disappearance-deliberate

Malaysian leader: Plane's disappearance deliberate

KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) — The Malaysian jetliner missing for more than a week was deliberately diverted and continued flying for more than six hours after severing contact with the ground, meaning it could have gone as far northwest as Kazakhstan or into the Indian Ocean's southern reaches, Malaysia's leader said Saturday.

Prime Minister Najib Razak's statement confirmed days of mounting speculation that the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 to Beijing was not accidental. It also refocused the investigation into the flight's 12-person crew and 227 passengers, and underlined the complicated task for searchers who already have been scouring vast areas of ocean.

"Clearly the search for MH370 has entered a new phase," Najib said at a televised news conference.

Najib stressed that investigators were looking into all possibilities as to why the Boeing 777 deviated so drastically from its original flight path, saying authorities could not confirm whether it was a hijacking. Earlier Saturday, a Malaysian official said the plane had been hijacked, though he added that no motive had been established and no demands had been made known.

"In view of this latest development, the Malaysian authorities have refocused their investigation into the crew and passengers on board," Najib told reporters, reading from a written statement but not taking any questions.

Police on Saturday went to the Kuala Lumpur homes of both the pilot and co-pilot of the missing plane, according to a guard and several local reporters. Authorities have said they will investigate the pilots as part of their probe, but have released no information about how they are progressing.

Related: Indian search finds no trace of Malaysian plane

Experts have previously said that whoever disabled the plane's communication systems and then flew the jet must have had a high degree of technical knowledge and flying experience. One possibility they have raised was that one of the pilots wanted to commit suicide

The plane departed for an overnight flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing at 12:40 a.m. on March 8. Its communications with civilian air controllers were severed at about 1:20 a.m., and the jet went missing — heralding one of the most puzzling mysteries in modern aviation history.

China, where the bulk of the passengers were from, expressed irritation over what it described as Malaysia's foot-dragging in releasing information about the search.

Investigators now have a high degree of certainty that one of the plane's communications systems — the Aircraft and Communications Addressing and Reporting System — was disabled before the aircraft reached the east coast of Malaysia, Najib said. Shortly afterward, someone on board switched off the aircraft's transponder, which communicates with civilian air traffic controllers.

Najib confirmed that Malaysian air force defense radar picked up traces of the plane turning back westward, crossing over Peninsular Malaysia into the northern stretches of the Strait of Malacca. Authorities previously had said this radar data could not be verified.

"These movements are consistent with deliberate action by someone on the plane," Najib said



Although the aircraft was flying virtually blind to air traffic controllers at this point, onboard equipment continued to send "pings" to satellites.

The prime minister said the last confirmed signal between the plane and a satellite came at 8:11 a.m. — 7 hours and 31 minutes after takeoff. This was more than five hours later than the previous time given by Malaysian authorities as the possible last contact.

Airline officials have said the plane had enough fuel to fly for up to about eight hours.

"The investigations team is making further calculations which will indicate how far the aircraft may have flown after this last point of contact," Najib said.

He said authorities had determined that the plane's last communication with a satellite was in one of two possible arcs, or "corridors" — a northern one from northern Thailand through to the border of the Central Asian countries Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan, and a southern one from Indonesia to the southern Indian Ocean.

The northern route might theoretically have taken the plane through China, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan — which hosts U.S. military bases — and Central Asia, and it is unclear how it might have gone undetected. The region is also home to extremist Islamist groups, unstable governments and remote, sparsely populated areas.

Related: Missing plane throws spotlight on passport theft

Flying south would have put the plane over the Indian Ocean, with an average depth of 3,890 meters (12,762 feet) and thousands of kilometers (miles) from the nearest land mass.

Britain-based aviation security consultant Chris Yates thought it was highly unlikely the plane would have taken the northern route across land in Asia.

"In theory, any country that sees a strange blip is going to get fighter planes up to have a look," he said. "And if those fighter planes can't make head or tail of what it is, they will shoot it down."

Najib said search efforts in the South China Sea, where the plane first lost contact, had ended.

Indian officials said navy ships supported by long-range surveillance planes and helicopters scoured Andaman Sea islands for a third day Saturday without any success in finding evidence of the missing jet.

Two-thirds of the plane's passengers were Chinese, and China's government has been under pressure to give relatives firm news of the aircraft's fate.

In a stinging commentary on Saturday, the Chinese government's Xinhua News Agency said the Malaysian information was "painfully belated," resulting in wasted efforts and straining the nerves of relatives.

"Given today's technology, the delay smacks of either dereliction of duty or reluctance to share information in a full and timely manner," Xinhua said. "That would be intolerable."

Related: Missing jet pilots had firm community, family ties

Najib said he understood the need for families to receive information, but that his government wanted to release only fully corroborated reports. He said his country has been sharing information with international investigators, even when it meant placing "national security concerns" second to the search. U.S., British and Malaysian air safety investigators have been on the ground in Malaysia to assist with the investigation.

In the Chinese capital, relatives of passengers who have anxiously awaited news at a hotel near Beijing's airport said they felt deceived at not being told earlier about the plane's last signal. "We are going through a roller coaster, and we feel helpless and powerless," said a woman, who declined to give her name.

At least one of the relatives saw a glimmer of hope in word that the plane's disappearance was a deliberate act, rather than a crash. "It's very good," said a woman, who gave only her surname, Wen.

Malaysian police have already said they are looking at the psychological state, family life and connections of pilot Zaharie Ahmad Shah, 53, and co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid, 27. Both have been described as respectable, community-minded men.

Zaharie joined Malaysia Airlines in 1981 and had more than 18,000 hours of flying experience. His Facebook page showed an aviation enthusiast who flew remote-controlled aircraft, posting pictures of his collection, which included a lightweight twin-engine helicopter and an amphibious aircraft.

Fariq was contemplating marriage after having just graduated to the cockpit of a Boeing 777. He has drawn scrutiny after the revelation that in 2011, he and another pilot invited two women aboard their aircraft to sit in the cockpit for a flight from Phuket, Thailand, to Kuala Lumpur.

Fourteen countries are involved in the search for the plane, using 43 ships and 58 aircraft.

A U.S. P-8A Poseidon, the most advanced long-range anti-submarine and anti-surface warfare aircraft in the world, was to arrive over the weekend and sweep parts of the Indian Ocean, the U.S. Defense Department said in a statement.

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Associated Press writers Chris Brummitt and Jim Gomez contributed to this report from Kuala Lumpur. AP writer Didi Tang, video producer Aritz Parra and news assistant Henry Hou contributed from Beijing.

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Re: Malaysia flight 370 Where is it?
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2014, 12:19:04 pm »
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/15/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-questions/

10. Was anything else on the plane sending data?

Authorities believe that "pings" from the plane's Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) were transmitted to satellites for four to five hours after the transponder stopped sending signals, a senior U.S. official told CNN.

That information, combined with radar data and the fuel the jet was known to be carrying, suggests that the plane may have flown to the Indian Ocean, the official said. That would be in the opposite direction of the plane's scheduled route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.
 
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But the reports on this latest lead have conflicted: Malaysian authorities had said earlier that nothing on the plane was transmitting after 1:07 a.m. last Saturday.

A week after the plane went missing, Prime Minister Najib said Saturday that, "based on new satellite communication, we can say with a high degree of certainty that ... ACARS was disabled just before the aircraft reached the east coast of peninsular Malaysia."

11. What is ACARS?

Introduced in 1978, the air/ground data system was initially used by airlines to record and report basic aircraft movement messages, according to Rockwell Collins, which sells avionics and communications systems to aviation customers. In 1989, ACARS's use was expanded to include air traffic service communications. It uses three radio frequency paths for delivery: two ground-based satellite systems (VHF and UHF) and a satellite link (SATCOM) to send and receive information.

"It's a system where you send digital communications from ship to ground," said John Testrake, a pilot for American Airlines with more than 20 years' experience flying. The automated system generally sends routine messages to the airline, like when the aircraft lifted off or landed and how much fuel it may have, he said. It can also be used to communicate text messages like "light continuous turbulence over the Rockies south of Denver," he said.

"You might want to send that report to your dispatcher so they can give a heads up to the next flight that's coming into that area."

Tom Haueter, former director of the National Transportation Safety Board's Office of Aviation Safety, said ACARS typically beams down engine parameters, temperatures, the amount of fuel burn and any maintenance discrepancies.

According to Malaysia Airlines, all of its aircraft are equipped with ACARS, which transmits data automatically. "Nevertheless, there were no distress calls, and no information was relayed," the airline said.

12. How long was this system working?

The aircraft's ACARS was sending pings over five hours after the transponder last emitted a signal, an aviation industry source told CNN on Friday. These pings don't provide information about speed or altitude, but they do indicate the plane was intact for that long since an aircraft has to be powered and have structural integrity for the ACARS to operate, the source said.

The pings were detected by satellites, which -- combined with radar and other data -- was used to calculate where the plane may have traveled. A U.S. official, who spoke to reporters on condition of anonymity, said the satellite recorded electronic "handshakes" with the 777 that were later analyzed.

The information gleaned from this analysis -- which the U.S. official described as "unprecedented" -- fueled the conclusion that the aircraft turned toward the west -- away from the Gulf of Thailand and toward the Indian Ocean. Referring to the five-to-six hour range in which the plane may have flown after its transponder cut off, the same official said, "We believe we have the time of the loss of the airplane within an hour."
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Re: Malaysia flight 370 Where is it?
« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2014, 12:28:45 pm »
This model of aircraft did have some issues regarding the lithium batteries on board, as well as satellite antennae issues along with issues regarding a certain model of Rolls-Royce engines installed.  The chances of all these being faulty and going down at around the same time are astronomical.  They also have corrosion problems.

http://news.yahoo.com/us-regulators-warned-problems-boeing-777s-153156057.html

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Other issues for the 777

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/11/30/boeing-faa-idUSBNG39165620091130

In July, the Federal Aviation Administration had asked Boeing to install redesigned cooling systems on some of its jets with Rolls Royce (RR.L) made engines by January 2011, to prevent the accumulation of ice inside the pipes of the fuel systems. [ID:nN23426135]

FAA turned down recommendations by the National Transportation Safety Board to order the replacement of parts on at least one of the two engines on each affected Boeing 777 aircraft, the paper said.

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Re: Malaysia flight 370 Where is it?
« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2014, 12:49:09 pm »
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EHM uses a range of sensors strategically positioned throughout the engine to record key technical parameters several times each flight. The EHM sensors in aero engines monitor numerous critical engine characteristics such as temperatures, pressures, speeds, flows and vibration levels to ensure they are within known tolerances and to highlight when they are not. In the most extreme cases air crew could be contacted, but far more often the action will lie with the operator’s own maintenance personnel or a Rolls-Royce service representative in the field to manage a special service inspection.

The Trent engine can be fitted permanently with about 25 sensors. The figure below shows the typical parameters measured for EHM.
 
 

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Re: Malaysia flight 370 Where is it?
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2014, 01:00:24 pm »
I've come to the conclusion that the plane is a distraction.
It has consumed the news on an international stage.
And the mystery thickens with each passing day...

Whats not on the news I wonder? ....
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Re: Malaysia flight 370 Where is it?
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2014, 03:01:41 pm »
I've come to the conclusion that the plane is a distraction.
It has consumed the news on an international stage.
And the mystery thickens with each passing day...

Whats not on the news I wonder? ....

Well you have successfully made yourself the chairwoman of the steering committee ..... why don't you tell us poor ignorant fools what to be thinking about.

Freescale Semi-conductors ... maybe you should be thinking about.

See there I go nudging again and I promised myself I would stop that.

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Re: Malaysia flight 370 Where is it?
« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2014, 03:06:35 pm »
I've come to the conclusion that the plane is a distraction.
It has consumed the news on an international stage.
And the mystery thickens with each passing day...

Whats not on the news I wonder? ....

You have a very valid point Sinny ....

Often its NOT what we see or are aware of but rather what is NOT seen and often distractions
are presented to ensure something remains hidden.

If suicide was involved then this involves a huge amount of $$$$$$ in claims against the airline
and is also an embarrassment to the airline and government.... exposing a failure in the systems
monitoring "Pilot Auditing".

John Lear might be able to through some light on procedures involving airline pilots ?
Or Z might know something about Pilot Auditing ?

If the airline can drag out things to the point most of the evidence is lost, it would save the company
Millions of $$$$.


Perhaps suicide was involved ?

If it was a case of suicide which IF it is, is certainly NOT the 1st Time,
and sadly won't be the last, think about what the claims would be in terms of $$$$$$'s,
involving the airline and Insurance Companies, the Indonesian Gov. and the airline could go belly up over it ?
Not to mention the tourism industry which involves directly the Indonesian economy ?

The longer this is dragged out, the more difficult it would be to prove anything except "Misadventure".



Then there is that Possibility that the aircraft is parked up somewhere, and the delay involved,
in any hijackers may be simply to cause more anxiety before making their demands...

Perhaps the Authorities are dealing with such demands involving hijackers, which are so sensitive
and embarrassing it is being kept from public knowledge.

Once again the Embarrassment involving such an event esp. IF it involved any Airline Staff,
and a failure in procedures involving "Pilot Auditing" or other "Staff Auditing", may be too much for both
the Airline and the Indonesian Gov. ?

But as to WHAT has happened regarding this Flight, I am in the dark !

Something is very, very wrong here, in the way information has been released !

As though someone is trying to cover their "Ass" !

I guess it will all come out in the end ?

Often huge blunders are made, in handling these matters, especially if something is trying to be hid
from the public... It's a human thingy ....  :(

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Re: Malaysia flight 370 Where is it?
« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2014, 03:10:02 pm »
[quote author=The Matrix Traveller link=topic=6388.msg89629#msg89629

Something is very, very wrong here, in the way information has been released !

As though someone is trying to cover their "Ass" !

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Indeed Matrix, or it is a set up.
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Re: Malaysia flight 370 Where is it?
« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2014, 03:13:02 pm »
Then there is that Possibility that the aircraft is parked up somewhere, and the delay involved,
in any hijackers may be simply to cause more anxiety before making their demands...
What is the minimum runway length that airplane needs to land? Anyone knows?

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Re: Malaysia flight 370 Where is it?
« Reply #40 on: March 15, 2014, 03:25:52 pm »
What is the minimum runway length that airplane needs to land? Anyone knows?

4500 for a very experienced pilot, 5500 for a more
typical landing.

6500 to take off...
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Re: Malaysia flight 370 Where is it?
« Reply #41 on: March 15, 2014, 04:04:38 pm »
some interesting comments




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/15/malaysia-airlines-diverted-deliberately_n_4969855.html

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NYT: Authorities Possibly Looking At Engineer On Board
The Times reports:

In combing for people on board the plane with high-level aviation experience, the authorities may also be looking at an aviation engineer who was among the passengers. The New Straits Times, a newspaper published in Malaysia, interviewed a man who said his son was an aircraft engineer and had been heading to China to work on Malaysia Airlines’ planes. A company spokeswoman, however, said early Sunday that the passenger was an employee of a private-jet firm, not Malaysia Airlines.

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CNN: Pilot Still Talking After Transponder Shut Off
The last voice communication from the cockpit a week ago were these words: "All right, good night." They were uttered at the Vietnam air traffic control border, after ACARS and the transponder were shut off. That suggests the incident on the plane began sooner than initially thought.

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CNN: Pilot Still Talking After Transponder Shut Off
The last voice communication from the cockpit a week ago were these words: "All right, good night." They were uttered at the Vietnam air traffic control border, after ACARS and the transponder were shut off. That suggests the incident on the plane began sooner than initially thought.

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ABC News: Plane Made 'Tactical Maneuvers' To Evade Radar
The missing plane performed "tactical evasion maneuvers" after it vanished from radar screens, two anonymous law enforcement officials told ABC News, indicating that the person in control of the plane at that point had a high level of expertise:

The officials briefed on the situation said that the maneuvers appeared to be done to evade radar, and U.S. authorities believe only a person with extensive flight or engineering experience could have executed them.

After the plane’s transponder - which reports the plane’s location and altitude - was turned off about 1:20 a.m. last Saturday, the plane was picked up by military radar as it turned back towards Malaysia and passed above Peninsular Malaysia before heading into the Strait of Malacca.

After a week of scrutinizing passengers and the crew, one of the officials said there were no indications anyone besides the pilots had the ability to perform the complicated maneuvers done by the plane. Furthermore, officials said they have found no link between the passengers and known terrorist groups and that the plane could have been flown into a densely populated area if the incident was related to terrorism - but it wasn't. There is also the possibility that the pilots could have been coerced or made to redirect the plane by force.

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Re: Malaysia flight 370 Where is it?
« Reply #42 on: March 15, 2014, 04:13:37 pm »
some interesting comments

After the plane’s transponder - which reports the plane’s location and altitude - was turned off about 1:20 a.m. last Saturday, the plane was picked up by military radar as it turned back towards Malaysia and passed above Peninsular Malaysia before heading into the Strait of Malacca.


Something really not right here, if they picked up the plane
on radar why did they not investigate?

I would imagine that they could have had some
jets there in no time to take a peek.

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« Reply #43 on: March 15, 2014, 04:36:29 pm »
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Something really not right here, if they picked up the plane
on radar why did they not investigate?

Perhaps they did ?  But NOT saying anything because of the situation... for whatever reasons.

If their Gov. Defence Surveillance of "Airspace" over the region was active, then they would know
exactly where the Aircraft flew !

If NOT then their Defence Systems need serious attention !

Which I doubt is the case !

"Flight Recording Data" exists both in "Ground based Installations", as well as on the aircraft !

Someone Knows !

Indicated by their behaviour regarding; Informing the relatives, and the release of Information to the public !


We in NZ sent one of our Air force aircraft into the area, to assist with Search and Rescue, but it appears
they were misinformed as well as other Countries assisting in the Search !

Either "Corruption" is Involved or Some have NOT been performing their Duties or Sensitive action is taking place ...

Embarrassment ?

Perhaps !
 

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Re: Malaysia flight 370 Where is it?
« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2014, 04:46:29 pm »
We in NZ sent one of our Air force aircraft into the area, to assist with Search and Rescue, but it appears
they were misinformed as well as other Countries assisting in the Search !


Indeed, this as you have described is evidence,
Someone knew! And someone does know now too!

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