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Re: A Reason I Received Why Electrogravitics is "Dangerous"
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2012, 05:31:40 am »
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Re: A Reason I Received Why Electrogravitics is "Dangerous"
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2012, 06:03:02 am »
Sorry, that's not what i meant, i was referring to Amy's quote from that guy in the OP. He's pulling things out of the air when he goes on about the whole solar system being destroyed by something hitting the moon.

And i still can't see how that fits in with electrogravitics?

Of course, with all technology, you will have failiures & accidents (especially when there are humans involved) and doubtless there will be crashes or accidents of some sort.
A robot will simply not make a mistake, unless it fails, and if it fails, it is due to the human that created it. There is always a root cause for everything.

How many people died jumping off cliffs with wings on their backs until the Wright brothers came along? When i think of flight, i think of the failiures as well as the sucesses, it keeps me on my toes 8) All technology is dangerous, and should be handled with the utmost caution.

And when dealing with the unknown, it's always best to err on the safe side, and take as many precautions as possible.
 If it's a 1 in 10 billion chance that Cern would create a black hole that would swallow the earth, it's a chance worth taking.
If it was 1 in 10, i would have to think seriously whether to fire it up or not....i would not take that kind of risk, & would not expect others to share that risk.

I know there are scientists who wouldn't give a damn, they just want to switch on their new toy, now THAT'S reckless.

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Re: A Reason I Received Why Electrogravitics is "Dangerous"
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2012, 06:16:12 am »

 If it's a 1 in 10 billion chance that Cern would create a black hole that would swallow the earth, it's a chance worth taking.
If it was 1 in 10, i would have to think seriously whether to fire it up or not....i would not take that kind of risk, & would not expect others to share that risk.


i'm not sure about it being a chance worth taking and i'll tell you why.  i went into a coma about 15 years ago.  5 days later, i woke up.  when i woke up they said it was a 1 in a million chance that i would catch the disease that they "thought" might have caused it, in their particular part of the world.  1 in a million. and yet i had it.  when i mentioned that to skeptics, while discussing my miraculous recovery, they said:  (paraphrasing) odds are meaningless.   it either happens or it doesn't.  i thought about that and realized that this is the same thing they were teaching in evolution. odds are meaningless, particularly if given enough time.  and their skepticism was just an exaggerated version of that.  1 in a billion is still a chance. so who is right?

i wouldn't want to risk it,  not based on some of the crazy odds i've read about over the years.

i dunno
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Re: A Reason I Received Why Electrogravitics is "Dangerous"
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2012, 06:27:38 am »
You are right, any risk is one too many.
 But if the odds were the same as the earth being hit by a meteorite, well, that could happen tomorrow and there won't be any humans doing anything.
 I rhink it's sometimes necessary to take SOME risk in order to move forward, as long as we are aware of it, all agree on it, & take as many precautions as possible.
 Like testing nuclear reactors far out in space for example, or better still, forget about using reactors at all, we don't need them.

Much of my work involves correcting misakes made by other engineers, and it's a fact that most things break down because someone did not do their job properly in the first place.
 If we can eliminate that one problem, the world would be a much safer place already....

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Re: A Reason I Received Why Electrogravitics is "Dangerous"
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2012, 06:30:36 am »

 all agree on it,


the key word there is "ALL".  all who? 
doncha ever wonder why most people are not included in that "all"? who makes these choices and why do they think they are  "All"? 
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shrug. things that make you go "hmmmmmmmm."
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Re: A Reason I Received Why Electrogravitics is "Dangerous"
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2012, 06:39:36 am »
I agree with Hobbit on this one.

That scenario is simply hijacked from a Spielberg film, it is twaddle.

The effect of a near-light collision would be comparable to a large nuclear bomb, that maybe would give us some tidal problems, but the rest is pure fantasy.

No singularity or shower of antimatter particles would ever happen.

 Do you think that someone working on this stuff is blissfully unaware of the dangers? We are very, very aware, and we record & study everything to look for the slightest hint it could be dangerous.

Yes, i once posted that playing god with particles like they do at Cern is not a good idea unless they have triple & quadruple redundant systems, like BP should have had, and know what they are doing.

There is a very big difference between discussing possible dangers, and active fear-mongering......
Seems we are all right here.
PWM says it wouldnt be too big an explosion, Hobbit says twaddle, and others say oh no, were gonna die!Correct, correct, correct!

I for one dont worry about death or fear anymore, and for this container to be nuked in a flash wont bother me at all, as I wont have to suffer through the back pain, or the foot pain, or the sickos in the world pushing their doctrines on me....the list goes on, but as an advocate of not worrying about shit, I will say, Dont worry, be happy! Noone dies!

Nothing that is predetermined in our universe can be easily changed, as it is written in our very atoms, what we shall be, and what we shall see. Our future is as permanent as the spirals in the stone at Newgrange, and when we see the truth, as energy beings, it will all become clear.Noone dies!

Die in a moon strike, die from some disease, die from a beating received from secret agents............Whats it matter, when NOONE DIES!!!!

I wont be supporting any war effort, or attempt to alter the moon's orbit, or any other Spielbergey fantasies, as it is a complete waste of my human time here.

When were done were done, and nooooooooooooone will ever change that.

And, if we all stop looking for answers to electrogravitics, and electricity in the simple world we occupy, and start to look for it like PWM says, and like I believe, as a lifeforce which is interdimensional, we may begin to realize why it hasnt moved forward in our last 80 years.....Nobody gets it yet at all.

New theories shed new light, and dammit we need some new light soon!

Resonance, magnetism, and yes, electricity are all lifeforces, and when we approach the study and application of these forces with that thought, we will learn the real reason they are so elusive to our minds, but not our bodies.

Ever been shocked? Why?
Ever watched a magnet spin away from another magnet? Why?
Ever felt a vibration that made your teeth chatter uncontrollably? Why?

Because LIFE happens, thats why.

They are our Lifeforce, these three forces, and everything else's in the universe as well.

TT Brown probably knows now what the ultimate outcome for us is, although he knew it when still a boy, and he is looking to us to see the corellation between the life force and the energy force, and hybridize them into some sort of understanding of our universe. He and Tesla and a few others had the foresight to recognize a part of our world that didnt seem to be real, yet had real effects, and isnt that the definition of a interdimensional force? Reality that seems unreal?

Im listening to you, Dr. Brown, and youre loud and clear!

Fear? It aint s$#t!!!
Death? Bring it!
Loathing? Im done with it!

Cheers!
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Re: A Reason I Received Why Electrogravitics is "Dangerous"
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2012, 07:34:41 am »
This is a response I received from Dr. LaViolette:

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This part of their statement is complete baloney:
"The generator application has dire economic as well as other consequences but the collision of an object travelling at near light spead with our moon, (which by the way would eventually be inevitable) would create an energy density at the collision site about equal to the energy density near a black hole. Such an energetic event would unravell the bonds that hold matter together and would result in a shower of both particles and their anti particles. The resultant malestrom of destruction would self propogate through the moon at roughly 1/2 the speed of light and convert the entire mass of the moon into gamma radiation in what is in essence a Hypernova explosion. Within 1.5 seconds the entire Earth would be exposed to a blast of radiation similar to you holding a beach ball sized nuclear bomb at arms length over the entire surface. Most of the other planets would also be destroyed and the outer shell of the Sun would be stripped away exposing its 20 million degree core. Is this reason enough?"

This certainly makes no sense in subquantum kinetics and neither in standard physics.  It seems to be the rather paranoid opinion that someone has formed based on idle speculation and  lacking any kind of theoretical or observational support. 

I agree that the electrogravitic force is not relative to the craft, as I have stated in Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion.  So the part you quote about accelerating a craft to light speed using electrogravitic field propulsion is possible. Whether the ship would increase its mass through a relativistic mass increase effect is debatable since the ship's electorgravitic field would likely drag with it the ambient reference frame, i.e., it would drag a clump of ether medium along with it.  So relativistically the ship would behave as though it were at rest or traveling at subrelativistic velocity and hence there would be no infinite increase of spaceship mass.

A 10 ton spacecraft travelling at c and hitting the Moon would release ~mc^2 of energy, i.e. 10^7 grams X (3 X 10^10 cm/s)^2 = 10^28 ergs, or 10^15 megajoules of energy.  It would be equivalent to the impact of a 10^15 gram asteroid (800 meters in diameter) traveling at 30 kilometer per second.  There would be some UV and X-rays produced, but I doubt much in the way of cosmic rays.  Ask any specialist in asteroid impact physics.  So Earth would not be in danger if it were directed toward the Moon. 

By the way black holes do not exist and cannot form in Nature.  I discuss this in my book  Subquantum Kinetics and on the Starburst Foundation subquantum kinetics forum: http://starburstfound.org/sqkblog/ (go to the third page of forum entries). 

If such a craft were maliciously targeted toward the Earth, an energy release of this magnitude could in theory take out an entire state.  But even at a 10 g acceleration, it would take a month of time and over 10 astronomical units of distance for such a ship to accelerate up to light speed.  Assuming that astronomers saw it coming and warned the military in time, it could be blasted with a laser weapon and destroyed before reaching the Earth.  The threat of possible kamakazi attacks are certainly something that military defense should be aware of when such technology is made public.  But they could be avoided if there was oversight on the construction of such vehicles and licensing of their use with continuing tracking to be aware where they go. 

Another thing to consider is that we may not be alone.  There are likely others out there with better technology than we have who would want to ensure that Earth is safe from such mishaps.

The part about the energy conservation law being in error I would agree with.
You may post this if you wish.

Sincerely,

Paul LaViolette

I think He agrees with hobbit (and Me).
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Re: A Reason I Received Why Electrogravitics is "Dangerous"
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2012, 08:21:38 am »
Hello everyone,
i am at a lost for words. Undo11 has a point. el beit her own "Personal" explanation. Linda has curiosity too who this individual is that sent the original message and "May" know who it is. PWM has the physics know how of risk and doesn't plan on hurting anyone with his ventures into such thing's as electrogravitics but yet has the opinion of this letter being a scare monger, in his personal "Opinion". Captain Dave is on the fence, but understands science and nature can produce an affair that "Sometimes" turns out unexpectedly. Littleenki has a view of "We all die anyway" and seems too be on the thought of "Nothing ventured, nothing gained" (As well as PWM)  which is not irresponsible but a self supporting belief of of such event's being not problematic, but how we advance our understanding.

Very interesting, I think, personally, it is a fear monger that had sent this information. With the study of electrogravitics, I have not seen nor heard of anything but assumptions and probabilities. But, with those perceptions brought out they are all the same topic of discussion, anyone of them may be correct, then again, we have nothing by means of actual working intention or device that will put any or all of these "Theory's" too rest. What ever the outcome "May" be, there is no way too know until we try these "theory's" with the mindset of doing nothing more than too contribute too humanity.

TT Brown, if he were with us today would probably be doing the math before such advantageous endeavor, Linda would be the"Only" person I would go for this assumption due too her affiliation to the great man. I have asked Linda questions and some of them have been answered, but there are those question's that were important to myself that went way side by her neglect of my requests for those answer's. Does this allow me too think she is not interested in my intellectual inquiry and that I am nothing more than a person she does not know asking redundant and idiotic question's? It has too be in my mental equation. It is a part of the whole too allow me too either not bother with asking anymore, or be more pursuant with her and continually ask. I personally am not like that, I know that if she truly knew what I was asking, and I have asked anything remotely redundant or irrelevant, there may be "No" reply too my inquiry.  This would be because she doesn't have the answer, and it "Could" be of the latter I had mentioned above, either way, I cannot let this effect me.

PWM has the right idea I think. There are no "Conclusive" and remotely correct Physics oriented statements this person made that makes any "Real" sense. It is a rambling of someone that has no baring of what would truly happen if an electrogravitic device was achieved, and by such statements, puts this individual in a category of "Afraid" of such sciences being created.

LHC was a great point too bring up, there was nothing wrong with LHC except for some of the cooling tanks failing, then there was those out there that were saying"See, it is happening, they are already finding out they don't know what they are doing and the earth is going too be consumed by a man-made black-hole!" Totally wrong, for we know now that it is working as it should, scientists are discovering data that has never seen before, so much so that just one collision is equal to years of analogy and investigation. That too me is progress of the idea too why the LHC was created. "Did I wonder if these black-hole theory's could come too fruition?" Sure,it is all part of the equation. But, as a part of the equation, it was the absolute worst scenario. Odds or no odds, we cannot allow our selves too become afraid of the unknown. Like littleenki has addressed "Nothing ventured, nothing Gained."

I for one want too see the electrogravitics device work, too it's full potential for humanity, if that meant me throwing the switch too discover if it is applicable, than I would gladly volunteer.

This Dimensional portal talk is not realistic, but is part of the equation, the moon being destroyed by flying shafts, absolutely paranoid of full understanding. The Sun being essentially "Blown Out" is hog wash. We all know that the protection from our Sun comes from our "Geomagnetic fields" and there is no questioning that, for it is "Fact".

I, like all of you have my own interpretation, but there are those that have a seemingly greater cause to fear the unknown for fears sake. Once again "Nothing ventured, nothing gained." I would beg to differ of these thinker's, with all thing's considered, we will never know until we try, and when I say try, I mean with all the cards on the table for intellectual deductive cause and effect of such ventures. Some one here had mentioned it has been 80 years since we have had positive change on our planet and that it was time for something new and innovative, I agree. lets get on with getting on and keep the mindset as it should be "One step at a time."

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Re: A Reason I Received Why Electrogravitics is "Dangerous"
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2012, 09:10:55 am »
oh i get it. you don't like what i have to say, do ya? 
well nothing like talking TO me.  gotta talk around me,
like i wasn't here.   slick.  so what you're saying is
you need to catch some fsh and you know how to
by tossing out some goodies for the fsh to nip on.
but then you get bored and frustrated with their
lack of you-ness and it's such a pain in the keister!

what a freakin' snob.


Are YOU called Linda??
I have never been called a "snob"
Part of that many times.
Thank You, I like been a snob.
hobbit snobilicous
« Last Edit: April 26, 2012, 09:32:29 am by undo11 »

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Re: A Reason I Received Why Electrogravitics is "Dangerous"
« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2012, 09:35:10 am »

Are YOU called Linda??
I have never been called a "snob"
Part of that many times.
Thank You, I like been a snob.
hobbit snobilicous

hehe.  sorry. :D
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Re: A Reason I Received Why Electrogravitics is "Dangerous"
« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2012, 09:36:12 am »
why would it be bait? you probably know more about it than he does.

undo 11,
             As it was myself the snob who referred to "BAIT"
Perhaps I should better explain.
The date of 1929 is important to Dr brown , especially with reference to the gravitor( or however anyone wants to call it)
Look on rexresearch at patents.

That will act as the bait to those conversant with the history of Dr brown and said electrogravitics.

If You feel as though, or I actually am not responding to You , it is not intentional in any way, You actually make me laugh quite often, which is a rare talent.

The rest of the said letter I called TWADDLE , as that is IMHO( in my hobbit opinion) what it amounts to relative to what I have gleaned and personally experienced of electrogravitics.

TIME

Or what causes the consequence We term as TIME.
If the said letter had referred to such, then I wouldn't have said TWADDLE.

Slobbery snobbery kisses to You.
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Re: A Reason I Received Why Electrogravitics is "Dangerous"
« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2012, 09:50:27 am »
Well put, 1WW, and Ill be there to have a hand on that switch!
Ive always said, if the big event happens during my lifetime, Ill be so blessed to see it!
Let er rip, and as far as cern, well it isnt going to find much in the way of any black holes, as Dr Violette stated the truth...they CANT exist.
Particles and other physical devices are just another way for them to scientificize the reality that we have no idea what creates life, and until this"big event" we never will.

Hobbit, you have driven it into my head for months now, and I DO see the truth, as you said.

Noone dies!

Now, I wish to learn more about the eg field, so hence I built the Hobbit House, full of wonderful manmade equipment and tools.

I can learn how things might work in there, but Im really using all of this technology to realize the Esoteric part of the equation, and until we open up and see what is all around, eg will be a dream of us scientists.

The three forces, magnetism, electricity, and resonance are real, and they determine everything we see and feel in this life, so when I see magnets charging and collapsing their fields with electrical pulses, I also can determine the frequency it happens at with the most efficiency.

This in a nutshell, is life itself, and like you said, 1WW, Linda may not have all the answers, but I DO know if she did, we would all be living right! Linda is approaching the field of electrogravitics from the correct direction, and she has more knowledge than we can ever imagine locked in that brain of hers, and when she is ready, it will fly free. I personally think she knows whats best for us, and when someone types the right sequence of words, she will see it like a thunderstorm coming off the gulf!

I cant wait for that day, Linda, and I know it's coming soon, so I promise to do my part to understand all of this within the context of life and universe, and maybe that will guide me to the tiny little spot of truth we are all searching for, and why not us to find it.

Hybridize the science and the metaphysical together into the truth, and that's the path to the future of "mankind", and it's planet of lessons.

What an awesome idea, and when we learn to become as one in humanity, Amaterasu will see her dreams come to fruition, through the beauty and wonder of lifeforces and not the evil and discontent that are brought upon us by the present controllers of our environs.

Someday, we will understand EG tech, and it will be so easy, we will wonder why it didnt happen sooner, so approach is the key, and the ones used previously( DR Brown's and Tesla's )were the building blocks of the beginning, and we need to recognize the channel markers to sail safely through into realityland!

To add a bit of my own philosophy to Dr brown's quip....

Red right returning, returning, returning!

Dont hit the sandbar of confusion, folks, and your propeller of knowledge will last forever!

going for tea now....like an armchair philosopher! :D
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Re: A Reason I Received Why Electrogravitics is "Dangerous"
« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2012, 09:57:04 am »

You actually make me laugh quite often, which is a rare talent.


:D

why thank you. 

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Re: A Reason I Received Why Electrogravitics is "Dangerous"
« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2012, 10:12:00 am »
undo 11,
             As it was myself the snob who referred to "BAIT"
Perhaps I should better explain.
The date of 1929 is important to Dr brown , especially with reference to the gravitor( or however anyone wants to call it)
Look on rexresearch at patents.

That will act as the bait to those conversant with the history of Dr brown and said electrogravitics.

If You feel as though, or I actually am not responding to You , it is not intentional in any way, You actually make me laugh quite often, which is a rare talent.

The rest of the said letter I called TWADDLE , as that is IMHO( in my hobbit opinion) what it amounts to relative to what I have gleaned and personally experienced of electrogravitics.

TIME

Or what causes the consequence We term as TIME.
If the said letter had referred to such, then I wouldn't have said TWADDLE.

Slobbery snobbery kisses to You.
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Re: A Reason I Received Why Electrogravitics is "Dangerous"
« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2012, 10:26:43 am »
Gold for you, Hobbit, good for you! :D
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    Not all those who wander are lost;
    The old that is strong does not wither,
    Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

    From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
    A light from the shadows shall spring;
    Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
    The crownless again shall be king.

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