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the ancient underground
« on: September 25, 2013, 06:13:11 pm »

hey Soma.. been awhile since you ask for tunnels  but here it is..just for you
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http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/extensive-ancient-underground-network-discovered-scotland-turkey-00540


11 June, 2013 - 03:03 aprilholloway

Extensive Ancient Underground Network Discovered From Scotland to Turkey



Archaeologists uncovered thousands of Stone Age underground tunnels, stretching across Europe from Scotland to Turkey, perplexing researchers as to their original purpose.

German archaeologist Dr Heinrich Kusch, in his book ‘Secrets of the Underground Door to an Ancient World’ revealed that tunnels were dug under literally hundreds of Neolithic settlements all over Europe and the fact that so many tunnels have survived 12,000 years indicates that the original network must have been huge.

'In Bavaria in Germany alone we have found 700metres of these underground tunnel networks. In Styria in Austria we have found 350metres,' he said. 'Across Europe there were thousands of them - from the north in Scotland down to the Mediterranean.

The tunnels are quite small, measuring only 70cm in width, which is just enough for a person to crawl through. In some places there are small rooms, storage chambers and seating areas.

The Stone Age was the first of the three-age system of archaeology, which divides human technological prehistory into three periods: The Stone Age, The Bronze Age, The Iron Age. The transition out of the Stone Age occurred between 6000 BC and 2500 BC for much of humanity living in North Africa and Eurasia.  While many believe Stone Age humans were primitive, incredible discoveries such as the 12,000 year-old temple called Gobekli Tepe in  Turkey,  the pyramids of Egypt and other structures such as Stonehenge, which demonstrate extremely advanced astronomical knowledge indicates that they were not as primitive as many believe.

The discovery of a vast network of tunnels indicates that Stone Age humans were not just spending their days hunting and gathering.  However, the real purpose of the tunnels is still a matter of speculation. Some experts believe they were a way of protecting man from predators while others believe they were a way for people to travel safely, sheltered from harsh weather conditions or even wars and violence. However, at this stage scientists are only able to guess, as the tunnels have not yet revealed all their secrets of the past.

You may also like to read Part 1 of my research on Underground Cities and Networks worldwide, as well as Part 2 on incredible discoveries all around the World.

You can read Part 2 here: Discoveries of vast underground networks spanning countries and maybe even continents. - See more at: http://www.ancient-origins.net/myths-legends-europe-asia-americas/underg...You can read Part 2 here: Discoveries of vast underground networks spanning countries and maybe even continents. - See more at: http://www.ancient-origins.net/myths-legends-europe-asia-americas/underg...By April Holloway





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http://www.ancient-origins.net/myths-legends-europe-asia-americas/underground-cities-and-networks-around-world-myths-and-reality


Underground cities and networks around the World – Myths and Reality (Part 1)





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Underground cities and networks around the World – Myths and Reality (Part 1)

Underground structures even whole cities have always been part of most of the world’s myths and religions. A few have been discovered but most of them have not. Side by side with the stories about underground structures, we have underground networks and tunnels connecting different places and sometimes extending for many kilometres and even between different countries.

In this article we will explore the myths and legends from all over the world that refer to underground cities and tunnels as well as what archaeologists and researchers have found and how these findings may be connected to such stories.

Underground Networks and Cities in Myths and Legends

According to mythological traditions, underground sites were mostly referred to as entrances to the underworld and we find such references all around the world. Although most of us think of the ‘underworld’ as a representation of ‘hell’ and therefore an imaginary or spiritual place for ‘bad’ people, in reality in ancient religions that wasn’t the case. The underworld was a place where the dead would go, but it was a place with physical entrances, guards, buildings and cities, and a place that a few mortals could visit and even communicate with the dead souls, gods, kings or the armies of the underworld. In a few cases though, according to the legends, they could even resurrect a dead person.

One of the most famous underground cities is the city of Agartha, a legendary city that is supposed to be in the centre of the Earth, the Earth’s Core.  Central Asia is the origin of those legends and the race inhabiting this underground realm was called the Agharti. Theosophists refer to Agartha as a vast complex of caves and an underground network that was inhabited by the Asuras (evil demons) and enemies of the Gods. This underground network was supposedly made by man.

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http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tierra_hueca/esp_tierra_hueca_17b.htm
Part II
Secret Underground Tunnels Past & Present
A Closer Look

7-th, 2001 - 01: 2


As I pointed out in the previous report in this series, the origin of at least some of the Ancient Americans of North America lays to the South. We also know of the Ancient tunnels to be found in Mexico and Central and South America. But, do we find evidence of these ancient tunnels in the United States?

In Native American Myths & Mysteries (1991) by Vincent H. Gaddis in chapter IV titled Tunnels of the Titans we find.

“Throughout all the Americas there are legends of archaic avenues, racial memories of subterranean passages stretching for miles. After the great cataclysm the ancestral North Indians lived in the vast cavern complex until it was safe to return to the upper world. The story is spread through many tribes, from the kivas of the Pueblos to the lodges of the Blackfeet, from the campfires of the eastern woodland tribes before their dispersion.

“The Mandans of the northwestern states, some of whom had blue eyes and silky hair … They said the first man to emerge from the tunnels were the Histoppa or the “tattooed ones.” Having left safety too soon, they perished. The rest, who remained below, waited until a bright light dispelled the darkness on the surface…”

“The Apaches’ have a legend that their remote ancestors came from a large island in the eastern sea where there were great buildings and ports for ships. The Fire Dragon arose, and their ancestors had to flee to mountains far away to the south. Later they were forced to take refuge in immense and ancient tunnels through which they wandered for years…”

(Page 39).

As we can see, many of these early Americans knew of these ancient tunnels. Could these tunnels have anything to do with the modern tunnels we have heard so much about in the last few years?

One of the areas rumored to have an underground complex and tunnels and is off limits to most people is the area around White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico.

David Hatcher Childress in his beautifully written Lost Cities of North & Central America (1992) descries the secret headquarters of Apache Chief Victorio.

“Victorio Peak and Hard Scrabble Peak, as well as Geronimo Peak, were all honeycombed with tunnels, caves and secret entrances. The Hard Scrabble entrance led down a flight of steps to an underground river. The last step was booby trapped with a deadly arrow device. It is all like out of some 40s cliffhanger serial”.

(Page 313).

Mr. Childress writes of his talk with Richard Dannelly, a local resident of Sedona, Arizona and author of the book Sedona, Power Spot Vortex. Dannelly told him,

“Some friends of mine had discovered a tunnel that goes underground for quite a distance in the Superstition Mountains.

Yet every time they tried to explore the cave, a strange fear and feeling of dread would overtake the whole party, and they would always turn back.” They were sent to a psychic who told them of a man who would lead them into the tunnel without fear. “With this man as their guide they were able to penetrate further into the tunnel…” Deep inside … “the remains of ancient structures and walls made out of well dressed rock were found. They then discovered at this place a spiral staircase built out of cut stones that down, down, down, down into the earth.

“After some discussion, it was decided that their guide should descent the stairs …

He did so, following the staircase into the deep bowels of the earth. After some tome, he came to a large room with more cut stone. A gigantic rock-cut throne, big enough for a giant, or two people sitting together, was in the middle of the room.

“Artifacts were on the walls, though (he didn’t) know what they were. The man returned up the staircase and reported what he discovered. The others tried to convince him to return to the room and bring some of the artifacts back up, but he refused. The team then left the tunnel, and today the entrance is still a secret.”

(Pages 308-309).

Due to coverage on the nationally long running NBC series Unsolved Mysteries most of us are familiar with the story of Doc Noss and the Lost La Rue Mines. David Hatcher Childress covers the story in depth in Lost Cities of North and Central America (1986).

He sites a book, “100 Tons of Gold" (1978) by David Chandler. Chandler wrote,

“In 1937 a half-Indian podiatrist named Doc Noss discovered a cache of Apache gold on what is now the White Sands Missile Range … Much of the treasure was in the form of hundreds of stacked gold bars, plus other artifacts, such as swords, goblets, crowns, statues and other things … Doc Noss was shot and killed by his partner Charlie Ryan in March of 1949 … Noss was known to have taken at least 88 bars of gold out of the hidden tunnels inside the mountain.”

(Pages 309-310).

Childress continues this revealing report:

“Because of an article published in the November, 1968 issue of True Treasure magazine there was renewed interest in the fabulous treasure, and a prospector named Harvey Snow was approached by three ranchers who lived in the area west of the Victorio Peak site. Snow had spent 25 years exploring the entire White Sands area, and the ranchers felt that Snow could lead them into the treasure area, bypassing the Army patrols that guarded the missile range.”

Because of a story told Snow many years before by a cowboy who had followed Doc Noss to a hidden tunnel, he believed that the treasure was not at Victorio Peak, but on another peak, Hard Scrabble Peak which was also on government property.

As Mr. Childress tell us:

“Snow’s incredible story is then related by Mr. Chandler; On the second day I found the cave with the sloping steps. I went down the steps; down and down. I don’t know how far. I estimated maybe thirteen hundred or fourteen hundred steps. The bottom step, the last one was rounded at the bottom so that when you stepped on it, it would roll. It was tied to a bow and arrow with rawhide, but the rawhide had rotted a long time ago. I got in there.”

(Page 310)

At the bottom of the steps Snow described a big room with a stream of hot water running through it. Snow followed the tunnel from room to room; sometimes the tunnel would become so narrow that he had to get down on his hands and knees. In one room Snow reported,

“I found some things. I found small stacks … one of gold, one of copper and one of silver.”

 

”I figured I would come back for that and went on. I next came to a big room. Here there were a bunch of side tunnels running north and south. They were all natural, nothing man made. Here where they intersected, they made a big W. I did not go down these tunnels, I stayed with the stream going west … At the far end of the main room I found some things I cannot tell you about…”

(Page 311).

“Snow’s story is fascinating and virtually unbelievable to most people. He walked 14 miles in an underground tunnel. The 1400 steps or so that he walked down to the subterranean river must have been a good 800 or 900 feet below the entrance. The tunnel was crossed at least in one spot by another tunnel running at a right angle to the one he was following.”

(Pages 113-114).

As we can see from these reports, there exists under the White Sands New Mexico area an extensive system of lengthy tunnels that have been there for ages. It seems to me that if the government wanted underground bases they would make use of these existing tunnels, yet modern researchers never seem to even hint of their existence. Why not?

Mr. Childress made a telling observation concerning government involvement:

“The gold that was at one time stored in Victorio Peak has been seized by the U.S. government, particularly the Army and the CIA.”

And I thought the CIA was concerned with foreign intelligence. Where’s the connection? The Inner Beings perhaps?

“The Army was known to have bulldozed the peak out, and even place a steel door over the entrance to the mountain … The Army assured the state that there was no gold in Victorio Peak and never has been.”

“Never-the-less Chandler shows that a top secret operation took place at White Sands Missile Range on August 10, 1961. On this date the Secret Service, with the help of certain Army personnel at the range recovered the gold, and moved it to various locations for various purposes.”

These claims are backed up by, of all people, Former White House counsel, John Dean in his book Blind Ambition (1976). In it he told of CIA operations dealing with bars of gold.

“Egil Krogh had described to me how, when he was bored with his deskwork, he had carried bars of gold bullion through Asia’s ‘Golden Triangle’ in CIA planes and bargained with drug chieftains … The gold bars used in these illegal, clandestine operations allegedly came from the tunnel system inside of Victorio Peak.”

(Pages 314-315).

Besides furnishing our corrupt government with the finances to destroy a generation of Americans with dangerous drugs, the bastards had a large tunnel system in place. It stands to reason that this is one of the systems they are using for their nefarious and black deeds.

 

When will the American people wake up to the fact that there are a lot of horrible things going on … right below our feet?
 


The Four Corners

Another popular place for talk of underground activity is the area known as the Four Corners. This is the place where Utah, Colorado, Arizona and New Mexico meet to share a common border. According to intelligence reports from several of my sources there are “at least six underground facilities in this area.” This is also the area where a large number of people died a “mysterious” death a few years back. Are there connections?

This harsh but beautiful arid land is also where the government decided to place several Indian Reservations. However, the Hopi Indians have been in this area as long as they can remember and luckily for us, their history of origin contains important details not found in the memory of other tribes.

The Hopi believe that this world we live in is the Fourth World and the other three are inside the earth. In stages, and through many hardships, they emerged from a hole called Sipapu, entrance to the Hopi underground. Bruce A. Walton (Branton)mtells us in A Guide to the Inner Earth (1983):

“It is a sacred place of pilgrimage for the Hopi, at the bottom of the Canyon of the Little Colorado above it’s junction with the Colorado River.”

(Page 66).

But, unlike most of the emergence stories of the other clans, the Hopi describe the city near from which they came. This city is called Palitkwapi, meaning “legendary Red City of the South.” It is interesting to note that Frank Waters tells us in The Book of the Hopi (1965)

“No one knows where Palatkwapi might have been. Some of our Hopi spokesmen, who are able to read Hopi meanings from symbols and pictographs carved on Mayan stelae and temple walls, believe that the center of the Mayan Old Empire, Palenque, in Chiapas, Mexico was the Hopi legendary city of Palatkwapi.”

(Notes: Page 68).

In support of this theory of Palatkwapi being the same city as Palenque browse through any of the many National geographic magazines containing photos and paintings of the mysterious Mayan ruins and it won’t take you long to realize that the Ancient Mayan cities were predominantly bright red. And if you’ll read Plasma Guns & Sub-riders in THEI Volume 1 #3, you’ll find my research concerning Lord Pacal. Lord Pacal was sent from Valum Chivin (the underworld) to Valum Votan (the upper world) and there he founded the city of Palenque. This we see gives us a direct link of unbroken evidence of a migration of people northward from the Inner Lands.
 


Summary

By the use of thugs and murders, after Queen Isabelle and Columbus double-crossed the elitist the “Keepers of the Secret” tried to destroy the true history of the origin of many Native Americans. However, by studying the oral history of these wise people we find that they came from the Inner Lands. Before the controllers got their hands on the truth and completely covered it over it a few American Archaeology books were written which tell the true story of people migrating south to north.

We have traced the Hopi tribe from their emergence near the ancient Mexican town of Palatkwapi/Palenque their present home in the Four Corners. We have looked at many accounts of underground passages in the Four Corners and the White Sands area of New Mexico. Accounts recorded long before today's researchers started sending out reams of reports proving the government has control of underground facilities in these and other areas of the world, yet not a word on the possible origin of the ancient underground excavations. But, using what we know of these underground passageways, we can safely state that they were probably the trade routes connecting the Inner World with the Outer world.

Now the next question that comes to mind … what is our corrupt government doing in this area between the two worlds? We’ll never know the truth until we quit looking with glazed eyes off into space, and turn our attention to the evidence that is right under our feet.

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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2013, 06:52:53 pm »
http://www.weirdus.com/states/california/fabled_people_and_places/lizard_people/index.php


The Underground City Of The Lizard People
Deep beneath the heart of Los Angeles’ financial district, hundreds of feet below the huge downtown edifices that house banks, corporate offices, and government agencies, lies another city remembered only in obscure Indian legends, an underground world built by a strange race that vanished five thousand years ago.

At least that’s what mining engineer W. Warren Shufelt claimed in the January 29, 1934 edition of the Los Angeles Times. According to reporter Jean Bosquet, Shufelt was ready to dig up downtown L.A. in search of this ancient subterranean civilization.

Shufelt had first heard of the city in a Hopi Indian legend about the “Lizard People.” They were a fabled lost race who had who had nearly been wiped out after a meteor shower rained down on the
 
 
 
Southwest back around 3,000 BC. (Arizona’s famous Winslow Crater was said to be Ground Zero of this fiery deluge.) 

The Lizard People constructed thirteen subterranean settlements along the Pacific Coast, to shelter the tribe against future disasters. These underground cities housed a thousand families each, along with stockpiles of food. As the story had it, the tribe used a “chemical solution” that melted solid bedrock to bore out the tunnels and rooms of their subsurface shelters.

Along with housing their people in the event of a disaster, the tunnels were also constructed to hold a trove of golden tablets that chronicled the tribe’s history, the origin of humankind, and the story of the world back to creation. Shufelt was particularly interested in these tablets for both pecuniary and archeological reasons.

A Hopi chief named Little Green Leaf told Shufelt that the vanished race’s capital city was located under present-day downtown Los Angeles. In 1933, after surveying the area, Shufelt occupied the Banning property at 518 North Hill Street and sank a 350-shaft straight down, digging for what he said was a “treasure room” directly underneath. Shufelt said that he had located gold in the catacombs below with the aid of his “radio X-ray.”

This peculiar instrument, which was sort of a tricked-up dowsing rod, had also helped Shufelt map the location and extent of the underground tunnels. He said that the subterranean city was shaped like a giant lizard, with the head in the vicinity of Chavez Ravine (the present location of Dodger Stadium), and the tail tapering out beneath the Central Library. The “key room,” the chamber that contained the map of the city and the directory to the gold tablets, lay several hundred feet under the present site of Times-Mirror Square. Shufelt also claimed that he’d traced passages stretching to the area around the Southwest Museum, and said that ventilation tunnels extended westward, opening at the Pacific Ocean.

Despite all his extensive mapping and plotting of the treasure-filled underground city, Shufelt never actually found it. Shortly after the Times story appeared, the project, which had been authorized by the City Council over a year earlier, suddenly ceased, and Shufelt and his cohorts disappeared. The whole mysterious, improbable business was written off by a hoax, and quickly forgotten. Since then, inexplicable tunnels have been unearthed in downtown Los Angeles, but they’ve usually been explained away as the work of smugglers hiding illegal Chinese laborers in the 19th century.

But Shufelt wasn’t the only modern Californian who believed that an ancient underground city lay beneath Los Angeles. As a postscript to this strange little tale, let’s look at the vision of Miss Edith Elden Robinson of Pico Rivera, which appeared in the highly respected American Society for Psychic Research’s journal.

On the evening of December 22, 1933, five weeks before Shufelt’s excavations hit the pages of the Times, the clairvoyant Miss Robinson envisioned that under Los Angeles lay “a vast city…in mammoth tunnels extending to the sea-shore.” She said that the tunnels had been constructed by a vanished race to protect themselves from danger, and to provide access to the sea.

Who knows? Maybe this fabulous subterranean city really existed. Perhaps it’s even populated with latter-day Lizard People who live hidden and unsuspected hundreds of feet below modern-day Los Angeles, emerging only furtively to watch the 21st-century barbarians slowly strangle their own surface-level civilization with smog, traffic and urban sprawl.  –MM

Weird California
 
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http://www.holloworbs.com/Apache_Underground.htm

Apache Underground!
 

Below, the reader will find two short excerpts from the book Lost Cities of North America, by David Hatcher Childress. At the very bottom there is a very interesting conclusion or two.

 

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1392797/Unseen-1-800-years-Archaeologists-120m-tunnel-leading-funeral-chambers-deep-ancient-Mexican-city.html


Unseen for 1,800 years: Archaeologists find 120m tunnel leading to 'funeral chambers' deep below ancient Mexican city
By Daily Mail Reporter
UPDATED: 09:32 EST, 1 June 2011


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The ancient underground tunnels
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The ancient underground tunnels wrapped in a web of nearly the entire globe, was born thanks to the event, what happened in 2003 As a result of the validation data, it was found that the life jacket is really belonged to Sema Belovsky. But how this thing could get out of the waters of Indian Ocean water lost in the depths of the lake in central Russia, breaking the distance of 4000 kilometers, and it is a straight line? And then there was an incredible version of the existence of ancient underground tunnels that connect remote areas of the Earth. But who paved the way these underground when and for what purpose remains a mystery story.
Not once, not one student drew attention to the existence, along with the lines underground, mine workings and natural caves, underground cavities created by ancient civilizations, as it were by our predecessors. It is not just about giant halls, machining the walls of which almost completely hide the secondary natural processes (stalactites and stalagmites, sinters and cracks).

Besides these, there are linear structures – ancient tunnels. Interestingly, at the beginning of this century, has considerably increased the frequency of finds of fragments of these “crossings” in different parts of our planet.
In order to identify the ancient tunnels, you need versatile geological knowledge of the natural processes of transformation of the earth’s crust and underground cavities that occur during the development of the planet, as well as the technique of man-made underground rabot. Odnako identification is real. First of all, the ancient tunnels differ from the objects of natural origin and modern facilities constructed under the ground, a more accurate treatment of the walls (mainly wall cavities melted), a clear direction and orientation.
Just enter into confusion enormous size of ancient tunnels and their prohibitive antiquity, yet inaccessible to human understanding. Approximate date of their appearance to announce the one not taken, but we can assume that the ancient tunnels were laid at different times. Let’s look at some actual information available about the ancient underground mines and tunnels.

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From the words of his father followed that of the ancient tunnels can be reached at different points of the planet. On the left tunnel to get to Germany, England and America. The right also leads to the territory of Russia, the Caucasus, China and Japan, and then to the Americas, where he met with the left tunnel.
It remains a mystery, by whom and for what purpose have been constructed tunnels. But it is clear that the creatures that inhabit our planet millions of years ago, and possibly hidden in the bowels of the present day, had a more profound knowledge than the knowledge of semiconductors, diodes, d226, its characteristics, operating conditions and storage. And the knowledge we are not open yet.

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Re: the ancient underground
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2013, 07:50:18 pm »
http://www.weirdus.com/states/california/fabled_people_and_places/lizard_people/index.php

lies another city remembered only in obscure Indian legends, an underground world built by a strange race that vanished five thousand years ago.

At least that’s what mining engineer W. Warren Shufelt claimed in the January 29, 1934 edition of the Los Angeles Times. According to reporter Jean Bosquet, Shufelt was ready to dig up downtown L.A. in search of this ancient subterranean civilization.


holy toledo! 
i came to the same conclusion (not about under LA, just about them disappearing 5000 years ago!)
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« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2013, 01:22:01 am »
Two things I find interesting:

1 - the original Daily Mail article says "evidence of tunnels", not that they found tunnels
2 - no reference to areas with most stone age sites, like France and the Iberian Peninsula

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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2013, 03:58:06 am »
This is a topic I have been meaning to give more attention to for a long time now.  I don't think I have ever looked at a mythology of a culture and not seen some reference to ancients from below the Earth.

If you believe that there are dudes with big eyes who need shades without breathing apparatus to wander round earth, then being underground is possibly where they evolved.  It is dark down there but there is still air.  I'd also suggest that UV might be harmful if you had been under there for a long time so you would probably come out at night....

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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2013, 12:13:51 pm »
The whole topic of those that came from the underground is fascinating to say the very least ;)

I mentioned this in another thread of how only this year I heard of two different culture's mentioning that their ancestor's came from a Hole in Earth.

1:  This is not the best link to show in regards to the Aussie Black Fella's and one story regarding ancestors from a deep blooming hole... but on the same token you get to see what the doco is about, and I'm waiting to see if it come's out on bluray.

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/firstfootprints/   

2:  I am still trying to find a picture I took inside a National park in Taiwan regarding wildlife and aboriginal's where one tribe clearly stated they came from a hole in the ground.  From a quick search it looks like they hit English on the web!

http://www.spnp.gov.tw/v2/default.aspx?lang=1 

No pics yet, but that is the National park where there is a placard inside the musuem/hq stating that some tribe came from the earth.












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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2013, 12:24:25 pm »
The crucial question for me is:  Are the stories literal or symbolic?

Are the stories symbolically linked to the idea that the unconscious archetypal world?  Or are/were there literally humanoids underground.  Did humans have a period under the Earth?  Have ancient reptilians or dinosaurs retreated below due to a catastrophe?  A mixture of these ideas?

Such an interesting topic.

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« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2013, 01:06:20 pm »
Yeah I know what you mean...  :o

I like to take it literally for the most part as that is what they say.  On the same token though I recall the Taiwan site saying that something else was going which was very "God" like in superioty which scared people.  Come to think of it I think the Black Fellas had the same sorta fear complex going on.   :-\

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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2013, 01:51:41 pm »
I am looking into one or two of the claims.  I'll report back with my initial findings tomorrow.

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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2013, 01:54:42 pm »
Some of the "Native American" lore also speaks of ancestors that came out of the earth.  It's been a while and I suppose I could re-research, but the Hopi, perhaps?  Think in South America too... 

Anyway, yes.  Coming from the earth is another ubiquitous "myth," like the flood.
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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2013, 02:06:15 pm »
Some of the "Native American" lore also speaks of ancestors that came out of the earth. 



Death Valley, CA - Local Indians speak of a tunnel that runs beneath the desert. (Note: The book 'Death Valley Men', tells the story of three people who are supposed to have found an underground city connected with this tunnel, and who actually took treasures from it. The entrance to the Death Valley tunnel is in the Panamint Mountains down on the lower edge of the range near Wingate Pass, in the bottom of an old abandoned shaft. The bottom of the shaft is collapsed, opening an entrance into a larger tunnel system containing much treasure. These tunnels connect with the surface also trough arches (like large windows) in the side of the mountain, and they look down on Death Valley. They're high above the valley now, but they were once on the edge of the water, and were accessed by boats. The 'windows' in the Death Valley side of the Panamint Moutnains are about 4,500-5,000 feet above the bottom of the valley, and are across from Furnace Creek Ranch. You can drive down Emigrant Canyon towards Death Valley. You can park beside the road between Furnace Creek Ranch and Salt Bed. From here, the 'windows' should be visible through binoculars.

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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2013, 02:07:18 pm »
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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2013, 02:09:18 pm »
More Hobbits :D

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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2013, 02:12:30 pm »
In India, there is still a strong belief in the reality of Nagas - a race of "serpent people" or "lizard men" who have made their homes in two major Underground cities (or civilisations), Bhogavati and Patala. Bhogavati is believed to be underneath the Himalayas, and it is said that from there the Nagas wage war on other human subterraneans from the subsurface kingdoms of Agharta and Shambala.



Knowledge of sound formed a singular science in those early days. It was known then what has been forgotten now, that everything has a sound, that even emotions create sounds that are "heard" by others. All through the Dvapara Yuga, devas of the inner worlds served and helped the inhabitants of this planet through birds. If one were ill, he could go into the forest and by concentrating and riding ...awareness in on the tones of singing birds, the physical body would be healed. Meditation was performed for practical reasons, not only for Self Realization, which was of utmost importance. Meditation drew one closer to the satguru's mind and invoked the help of beings behind the veil between the two worlds. Meditation was pursued for healing, arts, culture and myriad other sciences of that day.

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« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2013, 02:16:30 pm »
In Celtic mythology there is a legend of a cave called "Cruachan," also known as "Ireland's gate to Hell," a legendary and ancient cave from which according to legend strange creatures would emerge in ancient times and be seen on the surface of the Earth. There are also stories of medieval knights and saints who went on pilgrimages to a cave located in Station Island, County Donegal in Ireland, where they made journeys inside the Earth into a place of purgatory. There is an Irish myth which says tunnels in County Down, Northern Ireland lead to the land of the subterranean Tuatha de Danaan, a group of people who are believed to have introduced Druidism to Ireland, and then went back underground.


 


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