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John Lear's Question and Answers => John Lear's Question and Answer Area => The Bob Lazar Area => Topic started by: zorgon on October 13, 2011, 03:54:13 pm

Title: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on October 13, 2011, 03:54:13 pm
Bob Lazar Library

This will be a compilation of information and videos of Bob Lazar. So to start it off... a word from a member.

A51Watcher:

I was there for this one. It was a UFO conference held at the lil alien entitled "The Ultimate UFO Conference". Nori Hayakawa as well as a few others such as George Knapp were scheduled speakers.

Bob showed up unannounced during the day as did John. People started hovering around Bob asking him questions, where ever he would go. I got a chance to speak with him a for a few minutes while we ate lunch, I kept it low key, quite a crowd huh and stuff like that. He was nice but reserved as usual. The crowd pressed in around us, and continued to grow and continued to follow him no matter where he went, and he was sort of gradually pushed up to the podium just by the weight of the crowd pressing after him.


Update: November 20, 2011

First, we have a transcript of questions and answers from -inside- the lil' ale'ien before the tent area session started:


MUFON UFO JOURNAL
October 1993

AN INTERVIEW WITH ROBERT LAZAR

by John Kirby

From inside the Little A'Le'Inn, shadow physicist Bob Lazar fields questions about Area S-4 and UFOs

For many of those who attended the "Ultimate UFO Conference" at the Little A'Le'lnn in Rachel, Nevada, just outside the boundary of Area 51, there were interesting presentations and some disappointments. George Knapp, the Las Vegas television reporter who gave a great deal of air time to the Bob Lazar story and Gene Huff, a close associate of Lazar, were unable at the last minute to attend the conference. However, on Saturday, May 1, Bob Lazar came to meet with the attendees and answer questions. For most people his attendance was the highlight of the conference. Lazar, who arrived in a car with Nevada license plate "MJ-12", was cordial and seemed a bit uncomfortable in the spotlight. He had no planned formal presentation but was willing to answer nearly all questions put to him. The only ones he declined to address had either to do with specific people who preferred to remain anonymous, or with patents which he is currently working on. Lazar's main presentation took place in a large tent erected outside the Inn for the conference. But since a presentation was in progress when he arrived, he agreed to sit and answer questions for a small group of people inside the Inn itself before the main session. A tape recording was made of this informal "press conference", portions of which are printed here with Lazar's permission.

WHO IS BOB LAZAR?
Before delving into the transcript, it would be appropriate to review Bob Lazar's claims and his background. Lazar claims to have degrees in Physics and Electronics Technology and claims to have attended Cal Tech and MIT. In the mid to late 1980s, Lazar worked at Los Alamos Labs in New Mexico. Then, over a period of five or six days between December of 1988 and April of 1989, he was allegedly employed at a desert test area called S-4, a job which he believes may have been arranged through the efforts of the famous physicist Edward Teller. S-4 is about 15 miles south of Area 51. Some 125 miles north of Las Vegas, Area 51 has been the secret test site for such aircraft as the U-2 and Stealth Fighter. Lazar claims that no alien craft are being tested at Area 51. After his arrival at S-4, Lazar claims to have received a short briefing paper about two pages long which essentially stated that extraterrestrial exist, they have been involved in human history and their spacecraft are being housed at S-4. Bob was told that it was his assignment to assist in "back engineering" the propulsion system of one of the craft. Back engineering means analyzing something that already exists and figuring out how it works. Efforts by Lazar and others were allegedly successful -the propulsion system's basic theory of operation was determined, although there was only minor success duplicating the engineering with earthly technology. Test flights of the craft were held periodically in the immediate vicinity of S-4. Lazar had access to the test schedules. After working at S-4 for a time, he met John Lear, son of the founder of the Lear Jet enterprise. He invited or agreed to take John to a location near S-4 to view one of the tests, and in the process was discovered by base security. This and some other factors led to Lazar subsequently leaving the program. His experiences were made public shortly thereafter. Since that time, Lazar has made few public appearances, but did make a video tape which summarized his experiences and explained the basic operating theory of the crafts' propulsion system. His appearance at the A'Le'lnn conference was one of those rare appearances.

THE TRANSCRIPT
The transcript which follows is nearly verbatim. However, exact transcripts, filled with awkward phrasing, along with "I mean's" and "you know's", are difficult to read. Therefore, some of the phrasing is changed and some extraneous words are deleted. Where non trivial paraphrasing was done, or where words were added to clarify statements, those changes and additions are enclosed in brackets. Editorial comments are enclosed in brackets with "Ed. note" added. "Q" refers to questioner (there were about ten people present). "BL" refers to Bob Lazar. To protect the privacy of certain individuals, some full proper names have been deleted.



Q: You mentioned that you didn't like the way work was being conducted at S-4. What did you mean?

BL: What I meant was that it was being conducted by unqualified people. They were looking at duplicating the hardware and not trying to back engineer the theory. I contend that there was certainly no reason to pick me to work on the project except that I would come at the problem from a different angle. That was my main complaint. The second complaint was that there was definitely a lack of equipment there, and in any kind of project along those lines, that high level of security does not go well with scientific research. You couldn't get things out of rooms. You had to be escorted all the time. I'm at a loss for words. A scientific environment just can't be like that.

Q: Where is S-4 relative to Papoose Lake? Is it at the base of Papoose mountain?

BL: Yes. If you're on the lake, it's just west of Papoose Lake. You can look out of the bay doors at S-4 and see the lake out there.

Q: What was the ratio of security people to scientists out there?

BL: (Laughs) A million to one.

Q: Why?

BL: I have no idea. You're talking about 22 people [unintelligible phrase]. You're secure in the test site already, and it's not like there's going to be an invasion team coming over the hill. I have no idea what the level of security was for. It's possible that security during my time was increased because around the time I got there, I know that the Russians were involved in what we were doing.

Q: Why was that?

BL: I don't know. All I know is that some large discovery was made. Exactly what that was, I don't know. I think security was more concerned about the Russians, maybe there was a fear that the Russians would latch onto one of the U.S. scientists.

Q: What time were the Soviets kicked out?

BL: Right after I got there, around the first of '89.

Q: Did you ever personally work with any Soviets?

BL: No, I never did see them, I just heard that they were there.

Q: I was wondering, do you have formulas written down concerning element 115 as to how it emits the gravity waves?

BL: Just stuff that we scribbled down.

Q: Can it be reduced to formulas?

BL: I'm sure everything can. You know you need to play around with it some more.

Q: Did you live on the base?

BL: No. But I know that people do.

Q: So they moved you to and from Vegas each day?

BL: Yeah.

Q: Who runs security? Do they have a parent organization? Wackenhut?

BL: No, don't think it was Wackenhut. I don't know who they were but I never paid attention to it there.

Q: Did they have names on their uniforms?

BL: No.

Q: How would you describe their uniforms?

BL: Some guys just had straight dark blue on. Other guys that were outside had that desert camouflage, you know that beige-colored stuff on. But for the most part, they had dark blue uniforms on.

Q: There were people who confirmed your information to George Knapp. Do you know who they are?

BL: Yeah. He knows one of the guys in blue. So I think George knows what organization they're a part of.

Q: Did they give George their names? Did he talk to you to confirm that they were associated with S-4?

BL: Well, one person related information to George, and so George asked the person to describe stuff that I haven't told other people, for example, where various things were located in the complex, and everything the person said was right, so there's no doubt that he was there.

Q: Did you have friends you worked with that you also socialized with?

BL: No. [unintelligible] I was becoming friends with one guy I worked with but . . .

Q: Do you speak now to anybody from that time period?

BL: No, but I wish I could.

Q: In your tape, you talked about possible alien influence in history. You said you read some things about that in your initial briefing at S-4, but you did not go into the details in your video tape. Can you share anything more about that?

BL: All I know is really what I said in the tape: that there were 65 or 66 corrections [Ed note: referring to past alien genetic corrections of the human race, I believe] but you know, I can only put so much credit in that stuff.

Q: You said that there were actual video tapes that existed of historical events, apparently made by aliens. I think you mentioned that in your video tape. Were those alien tapes seen by you or were they just indicated in the briefing?

BL: No, it was indicated.

Q: Before the theory was pieced together as to how these craft work, (the propulsion system, that is) what were the previous theories? Were they pursuing any other methods to accomplish the same type of travel?

BL: Well, they always knew it was some sort of field propulsion just because there were no high pressure areas, propellers, or nothing along those lines coming out of the craft, so they knew it was some soft of field propulsion, maybe electromagnetic. Essentially, they couldn't measure anything coming off the craft except by-products of the electromagnetic energy from the reactor. I think they're only pursuing gravitational propulsion.

Q: I read in a book somewhere that there was an inventor, I guess in the 40's or 50's, named Townsend Brown. From what I remember, he took an electromagnet, and when you first turn an electromagnet on, it moves. And he said that he could harness that energy to create flying crafts or what ever. Is stuff like that feasible?

BL: No. I've seen all kinds of crazy claims about how they [the craft] operate ...and I mean most of them are ridiculous.

Q: Bob, other than the propulsion technology, which is obviously the most amazing of the whole picture, was there any other technology that you saw that would be as amazing to us, maybe their communication technology?

BL: I don't know. Like I said, I was only privy to information about propulsion, but the communications really concerns me. It bothers me because it doesn't make sense. If you're dealing with an intense gravitational field that distorts everything around the craft radio waves would not be able to penetrate [the field to reach] the craft: they should be distorted just like light is around the craft. Yet, the ground controllers at S-4 were in contact with the craft during test flights. There's things that I want to know about it, and one of them is the communications. One possibility is that it is some sort of modulated gravity communication which would be unbelievable.

Q: What did you know about Project Looking Glass? [Ed. note: allegedly a project to look backward in time]

BL: Very, very little.

Q: Is that project being run out of S-4 as well or is that at another location?

BL: No. All that's at S-4.

Q: When you were threatened before going to Japan for an interview, why do you think that they haven't made threats like that while you were here in this country?

BL: What do you mean? Why don't they threaten me now? I don't know. A lot of time has gone by. I can't even guess. You know, maybe that was before much word got around, and they were more concerned about it back then.

Q: Have you had any network exposure, I mean with major networks like ABC or CBS?

BL: Some of the trash stuff, like "Current Affair", have picked up on the story.

Q: There were no serious attempts to get your story?

BL: Oh, yeah, there was CNN and a bunch of other places that did run something. Yeah, there was quite a bit.

Q: Anything from scientific groups?

BL: Not that's published and that's ongoing now.

Q: Why do you think it's taking so long for main stream science to -

BL: Oh, they hate stuff like this not UFOs, but they hate it if you come up with another theory that essentially disproves everything else. You can't believe the jealousy in that field. They'll spend the rest of their careers just trying to [academically] assassinate you and ruin your credibility.

Q: Ego?

BL: Oh, absolutely. Especially if you're a young guy and haven't been involved in their work. I mean they might have worked their whole lives in the thing and they can't . . .

Q: Your co-workers at S-4, did you detect an arrogance or ego on their part?

BL: No. Not at all. They really feel privileged. as I did when I was there, to be involved with it. And we kind of pushed off everyone else. The feeling was something like, "you're right, this should be secret, to hell with everyone else." [laughs] I would agree with that, that's what I would do. Yeah, believe me, when you're involved with it, you feel like, "hey we're it!" That's really the attitude I had when I was there.

Q: You made the statement that there is some information which you choose not to reveal. I imagine that's because of national security.

BL: Oh, there's information about weapons and things like that [unintelligible]

Q: So didn't you feel like you were breaking some kind of an honor code by -

BL: Well, not just honor but legally [unintelligible] but -

Q: Why weren't you imprisoned?

BL: Well, what are they going to bring me up on? For them to do that, they would have to say that this is secret information.

Q: Does it concern you that nobody else has come out publicly? [Ed note: at the Triad UFO conference in July 1993 in Seattle, George Knapp, the TV reporter who has been following this, said that he has had several sources separately confirm elements of Lazar's story.

BL: Well, yeah, publicly it bothered me, but you know, privately, people have.

Q: Did you ever speak among your co-workers and say, "God, this is so incredible..."

BL: Yeah, to another guy [name deleted] That's why I'm really anxious to find him...because he seemed like, with coaxing at that time, he would have said something.

Q: Do you know of any other place where this kind of work is going on?

BL: I was told when I was there that S-4 was the only place. You know there were stories of Hangar 18 and other Air Force bases that...purposely everything is kept at one location.

Q: Did you ever get the feeling that maybe if you had stayed in this just a little longer, you'd have more to tell? Why didn't you go that route?

BL: Oh, well, there's a big long story why I left [Ed note: Later in the conference, Lazar told the story in which he, John Lear and others were caught near S-4 watching a test of one of the crafts of the type Lazar was allegedly working on. This and BL. related circumstances caused Lazar to leave the program.]

Q: I know they kind of threatened you because of meetings with John Lear.

BL: Yeah, but there's a big chain of events that happened, I mean they -

Q: Bob, there's a lot of speculation as to why, right after you started, you spoke to John. Did you feel morally obligated to come out and tell the story so the rest of us would know?

BL: I haven't the slightest idea why I told John. I really didn't know him that well then. Later, I found out that the things they [people at S-4] told me about John were essentially a lie. And John has spent a couple of years trying to track this [the S 4 story] down. And, because at the time I had the flight schedules, really all I did was say "at 9 o'clock this day, there's going to be a flight, you want to see something?" And we went out there and watched, and after that I said, "that's it, let's drop it."

Q: Did John ever express any doubt about your work or the things you were telling him?

BL: Well, there wasn't much time from when I told him about the flight to when we went out to watch it. He brought out his Celestron telescope, and when we got out there, he whipped this big telescope out, and I said, "oh, my God, okay, John, that's it!"

Q: Did you at any time think you wanted to go to the regular media with this?

BL: No. Obviously not.

Q: Would you go to White Sides anytime, say, in a couple of hours maybe?

BL: White Sides? What's that?

Q: The mountain, White Sides, from where you can see Groom Lake.

BL: But nothing's at Groom Lake Area 51. [Ed note: remember Bob claims alien craft are tested at S-4 not Area 51.]

Q: Where would you go if you wanted to view what's going on at S-4?

BL: People often go to the Mailbox Road [intersection of Mailbox Road and Highway 375] but you really can't see [any S-4 activity] from Mailbox Road, you want the road further up [a few miles south], the other long line on the map, Groom Road. That's where we viewed it from. We went all the way up and to the left [on Groom road] so we could get closer to S-4. My friend works for Central LA regional telephone company, and he says that if you go over by Mount Charleston, I can't remember exactly where right now, you can see right down on [unintelligible] and you can actually see the vehicles moving from that area.

Q: From Mount Charleston? That's a hundred miles away, though.

BL: But he said he goes up there all the time and other Central people do; they can see the vehicles moving.

BL: [Went on to the next question.]

Q: When you were working there, were there any connections with any projects in Australia?

BL: None that I heard of. I know that there are connections in the Soviet Union, but nothing in Australia.

Q: Bob, some people that have been hanging around the Mailbox, people that George Knapp used to corroborate your story, said that they saw a saucer shaped object hovering around the Mailbox actually, it was about a hundred yards away. Would that be something totally different from something going on at S-4, non-exotic technology?

BL: Well, you know, down at Groom, they're working on all types of secret aircraft.

Q: So you think that craft was terrestrial technology?

BL: I don't know, that depends on what they saw. If it's hovering silently, and it's a large...it's hard to say until you actually see it. I'm not privy to all the information, but I really don't know of any kind of vertical take-off and landing craft being worked on right now at Area 51, though there may be.

Q: Did they ever indicate that the technology that you were working on was associated with Roswell or previous crashes or anything like that?

BL: No.

Q: Bob, would you characterize your work at S-4 as being the most exciting thing you've ever worked on?

BL: [smiles] Oh, of course, yeah. Without a doubt.

Q: Do you think they'll be able to replicate a vehicle sometime in the future?

BL: Some of the technology, yeah, but not the propulsion. Because you'd need the reactor and the reactor is a technology that doesn't even exist yet [unintelligible]. You could certainly make a weapon out of the fuel, though. That would be very easy to do.

Q: John [Lear] said that you were the source of some information about the fact that the Grays were a mercenary force that was interfering.

BL: No.

Q: You said it's very difficult to get this propulsion system going. Are the things that are flying strictly reactors built by alien technology? No terrestrial technology?

BL: No, absolutely. Nothing. One of the things we were trying to do was, starting with alien operating reactors and operating amplifiers, we tried to substitute different pieces of man-made material in various parts of the system. The only thing we got to work was essentially substituting a wave guide, and of course that's essentially a pipe. But when we made any changes to the gravity amplifiers they stopped working after that. You know, everyone was really afraid to fool around with the reactor too much.

Q: You said in your video tape that they [technicians trying to figure out how the reactor worked] were playing with the reactor and there was an explosion. [Ed note: Lazar said in his video tape that this explosion happened in May of 1987.]

BL: Yes, supposedly the history of what happened before me was that -

Q: Why were they cutting it open? What were they trying to achieve?

BL: I read the notes from the guys and, believe me, cutting open an operating reactor under load is the last thing I would do. I think they reached a point of frustration and were probably pressured, for example, "you guys gotta come up with something." And I think they cut into what they thought was the most innocuous or safest part of the reactor, and why they chose to do it when it was operating, I have no idea.

Q: Why were they killed? Why were they co-located with the device or even the vicinity? Wouldn't you do this remotely?

BL: They were doing it remotely. If you've ever seen any of the [blast] rooms they have there [where nuclear weapons are tested underground], they have an area where the device goes, and removed back, there are blast doors where there's recording equipment. And you know, usually you can get the recording equipment after the detonation. Well [laughs] those two [blast] doors apparently weren't together and that room was destroyed.

Q: Bob, you left there in what, '89, four years ago?

BL: Something like that.

Q: Do you think they've evolved to the point in their back-engineering work that they're flying the craft a little bit more? How fast were they evolving?

BL: Extremely slow. Extremely slow.

Q: Before they would fly these craft around the world or take them out in the solar system or something like that, do you think?

BL: They've never left the atmosphere with the craft. Positively not.

Q: [Do you know if it] will take 10 years, 20 years to do that?

BL: I don't know if they'll do that. They are so paranoid when the thing lifts off the ground and over to the right [laughs], people are sitting there praying that it comes back, and they never -

Q: It's an extremely complicated thing to pilot?

BL: I don't know. I have no idea how to navigate the thing. If someone threw me in the middle of it, I wouldn't have the slightest idea how to get it off the ground.

Q: You mentioned when you went inside the sport model [Bob's nickname for the particular craft he worked on] it had really short chairs. Do you think they accommodated these to fit human pilots for the [tests]?

BL: They must have.

Q: Do you regret now having gone public?

BL: In some ways, yeah, but for the most part no.

Q: Were you glad you did it?

BL: Well it was more or less for selfish reasons because I [two words unintelligible] that's essentially what it was. Was I concerned that the world knew? No. [laughs]

Q: How do you feel about coming out here to this conference today?

BL: Coming out here today? I have no problem with it. Enough time has gone by. They say time heals all wounds. So -

Q: Do you feel like you've done the right thing?

BL: Ah [pauses], yeah. Yeah I do. I really wish I had stayed with the project longer, though, because I really do want to know more about the technology.

Q: Were you ever briefed or made aware of any other propulsion system other than the one you worked on?

BL: [No verbal answer, but I assume he was shaking his head no.]

Q: Bob, usually when they have people like yourself working on something like propulsion, it [the secret information] is very highly compartmentalized. They don't talk about anything else [except what you need to know] but you said that when you first got there, they showed you briefing papers about various topics. Why do you think they did that?

BL: Yeah, virtually everything [is compartmentalized]. I imagine that was just to relieve any possible questions. But remember, when I talk about briefings, I'm talking about two sheets of paper, just like "this is what's going on with the rest of the craft, this is what you're working on." And then the bulk of the information percent - dealt specifically with what I was going to be working on. So, anyway, it was to alleviate any questions of "Well, where did this come from?"

Q: You said you had 38 levels [of security clearance] above "Q." [Ed note: "Q" is itself a high level clearance]

BL: Yeah, that's what I was told.

Q: How many levels are there?

BL: I don't know.

Q: Have you ever heard of higher levels?

BL: It never came up.

Q: Did you ever hear rumors of major government officials coming in to get tours, like congressman or whatever?

BL: I heard rumors of that, but you know from what I was told when I was there, no one has ever stepped in there from any faction of the government, Navy or whatever. People get tours of [Area] 51 all the time, but I've never heard of anyone coming up through there [S-4].

Q: Have you talked to any astronauts? Anybody who's walked on the moon?

BL: Yeah.

Q: And corresponded with them?

BL: Well, they've come out to visit me.

Q: They approached you? They initiated contact with you?

BL: [Non-verbal answer but from the flow of the following questions, I assume Lazar nodded yes.]

Q: Like [astronaut's name deleted] or somebody like that?

BL: No, not [astronaut's name]. [Ed Note: the questioners proposed some additional names to which Lazar did not respond.] You can't say who? One of them was [name deleted]. He was the [number deleted] man on the moon.

Q: What did he have to say to you?

BL: Well, there's a faction of those guys that are...they're into it, but I guess it's dangerous. Well not really "dangerous" [but difficult] for them to express interest, but you know, these guys are on pensions for the rest of their lives and . . .

Q: What did they say to you? Right on?

BL: Yeah, that was essentially what they said to me.

Q: Bob, if you could return to work on the project, would you go?

BL: No.

Q: You would not go?

BL: No. Just because I don't trust them. If I could go with a little army [to protect me], I'd be...you know, no problem. If they'd give me stuff to do at home...[laughs] But no, I don't want to go back to a secure area in the middle of the desert. In other words, go back completely on their turf? Yeah. Not a chance.

Q: How do you feel about being such a celebrity in this area? Is it a nuisance to you?

BL: No, it's not [a nuisance]. I just don't [unintelligible reference to being low-key].

Q: What kind of work do you feel could get you excited again right now?

BL: Ah, weapons.

Q: Weapons? Because of the financial rewards?

BL: No, I like [laughs] really destructive things. [Laughter in group]

Q: That's a surprising comment!

BL: Well, you know, actually, I would have rather worked on Project Sidekick which dealt with them. Really. It would have been more along my lines I don't know what I was doing [assigned to propulsion].

Q: Do you think you'll ever get an opportunity to work in the field you want to again?

BL: Not at that level, no. But in other weapons development, I do [one word unintelligible]. You can imagine what a burst of gravity waves would do to something solid. It could be used for a lot of things.

Q: What is your background, Bob? You have a master's and bachelor's [degrees] is that right?

BL: Physics and Electronics Technology. At MIT and Cal Tech.

Q: If you had a craft with a gravity propulsion device aboard, and you were to intensify the gravity field around the craft, could it cause light to bend around it such that the craft would be cloaked from view?

BL: Yeah. It does [cloak a craft from view]. It depends where you are viewing it from. If you're directly under the craft, you see the sky above it. And if there's a mountain in back of it? I don't know how it...without actually observing it like that. I don't know what you'd see from the side or [how light waves] would travel along the side of the craft.

Q: It seems like they could operate in daytime perhaps with impunity in this way.

BL: Oh, yeah. From certain directions, I would think so.

Q: Do you think the crafts can operate invisibly, or is there always going to be some light accompanying them?

BL: No matter what, at night there's going to be a light accompanying [it]. You're dealing with a fluorescent tube essentially of a rare gas in the atmosphere and a tremendous amount of energy being generated. So the atoms in the air are essentially emitting photons.

Q: It's like a neon effect?

BL: Yeah, that's exactly what's happening. It doesn't happen in space because there is no rarified gas to illuminate. And at different levels of power you get different colors of glow. But for the most part, it should be blue: you may get a sodium yellow-or orange type color.

Q: [Somewhat difficult to hear exactly.] As you get different power levels -

BL: Yeah, it will get brighter as it [the power level] goes up. [unintelligible phrase] The gravity field should distort that light too, but it doesn't, so... [laughs]...there's a lot that doesn't make [sense].

Q: That would probably be the argon in the atmosphere that would turn blue?

BL: No, not the argon, the nitrogen would be bluish white [word unintelligible] like lightning. Argon will glow blue, too, but there's just trace amounts in the atmosphere.

Q: Did you notice the passage of time being any different inside the craft as opposed to outside?

BL: We didn't have watches. Watches, wallets and all that stuff were left at [unintelligible].

Q: When you got to observe the craft take off, did they give you instructions about things to look for?

BL: No. It was already taking off when I went out there. Dennis who was my...I think he was my supervisor...came through and said." there's a test in progress. Come on out here."

BL: I guess we should get out of here so people can get to the bar.

Q: Thanks, Bob.


(John Kirby is an electrical Engineer, MUFON Research Specialist, and MUFON State Section Director for Portland and Multmonah County, Oregon, now employed with Intel.)


http://www.ufomind.com/area51/people/lazar/pretalk.shtml (http://www.ufomind.com/area51/people/lazar/pretalk.shtml)


And now... on to the questions and answers in the tent area, and here's a video of it that recently surfaced:

Bob Lazar 1.5 hour interview near Area 51 in 1991

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuSy4S1PCrg

Dan Willis
Published on Jun 23, 2011
This video which I personally filmed has never before been seen.   It has severe interference from a magnetic field for some reason, but the audio is clear.  I found a backup copy I gave a friend and uploaded the much better version at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=377bOibqbzc

Bob Lazar at "The Ultimate UFO Seminar"

Transcript from Conference
Held at Little A-Le-Inn, Rachel, Nevada, May 1, 1993 Rachel, Nevada (http://www.ufomind.com/area51/people/lazar/ultimate.html)


Little A'Le'Inn - Rachel, Nevada

Little A'Le'Inn - Rachel, Nevada (http://www.rachel-nevada.com/rachel.html)

(http://www.gtanetwork.it/gtasa/pics/saib/littlealeinn.jpg)

(http://images.travelpod.co.uk/users/manda2010/1.1278858130.1_little-aleinn.jpg)

UFO The Bob Lazar Interview

Whatever you believe about Bob Lazar... one thing is certain..

HE was the one who put AREA 51 on the map.... ever since his first interview, the face of UFOLOGY changed forever...

He was the first to tell us of Element 115.... now today they have identified it in the labs...

The Lazar Tape and Excerpts from the Government Bible
by Gene Huff and Robert Lazar


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQJKH_Q5G_I

Bob Lazar first interview 1989

https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=KjApDnCvh2c

Bob Lazar Interview in the Early 1990's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJRM9gtVflg

UFOs & Area 51 – The George Knapp, Bob Lazar Connection
MUFON UFO SYMPOSIUM - 2016


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9wI14OVwco
Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on October 13, 2011, 04:15:32 pm
Bob Lazar on Coast to Coast AM

Twenty Parts to this live recording on Coast to Coast

Bob Lazar on Coast to Coast AM
Interviewed by Art Bell on September 26, 1997
CoastToCoastAM.com

Topics: Area 51, UFOs, Gravity Propulsion, Government Cover-Ups

Synopsis: Bob Lazar discusses his early scientific experience at Los Alamos National Laboratory,
his work at super-secret Area 51 S-4 in the Nevada desert where he helped to reverse engineer
a gravity propulsion drive on a UFO, Element 115, and the government efforts to erase all traces of
his past, work, and involvement with the project.

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Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on October 13, 2011, 04:22:02 pm
Incredible Times with Bob Lazar 1988-1989

John tells his story of his time spent with Bob Lazar. This CD is available in the Pegasus Store.

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John and Bob at Goldstone

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Joe, Bob, Gene, and John

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Bob with John and his Wife

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Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on October 13, 2011, 04:25:06 pm
Bob Lazar

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Robert Scott Lazar or Bob Lazar (born January 26, 1959, in Coral Gables, Florida, United States, to Albert Lazar and Phyllis Berliner), claims to have worked from 1988 until 1989 as a physicist at an area called S-4 (Sector Four), located near Groom Lake, Nevada, next to Area 51. According to Lazar, S-4 served as a hidden military location for the study and possible reverse engineering of extraterrestrialflying saucers. Lazar says he saw nine different discs there and provides details on their mode of propulsion. His critics have asserted that "Lazar's credibility crumbled" after "schools he was supposed to have attended had no record of him, while others in the scientific community had no memory of ever meeting him."

Biography and claims

Lazar first jumped on the media map in 1982 in the Los Alamos Monitor. The article titled "LA MAN JOINS THE JET SET - AT 200 MILES AN HOUR" was about a jet car that Lazar had created and worked on for years with help from a NASA researcher. The car was built from a jet engine modified and placed on an existing car model. It is also important to note that the article noted Lazar as "a physicist at the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility", as it is one media article that puts Robert on the map as a physicist.

In November 1989, Lazar appeared in a special interview with investigative reporter George Knapp on Las Vegas TV station KLAS to discuss his purported employment at S-4. In his interview with Knapp, Lazar said he first thought the saucers were secret terrestrial aircraft whose test flights must have been responsible for many UFO reports. Gradually, on closer examination and from having been shown multiple briefing documents, Lazar came to the conclusion that the discs were actually of extraterrestrial origin. In his filmed testimony Lazar explains how this impression first hit him after he boarded one craft being studied and examined its interior.

For the propulsion of the studied vehicles, Bob Lazar claims that the atomic Element 115 served as a nuclear fuel. Element 115 (nicknamed 'Ununpentium' (Uup)) reportedly provided an energy source which would produce anti-gravity effects under proton bombardment along with antimatter for energy production, as the intense strong nuclear force field of Element 115's nucleus would be properly amplified the resulting large-scale gravitational effect would be a distortion of the surrounding space-time continuum that would, in effect, greatly shorten the distance and travel time to a charted destination.

Lazar also claims that he was given introductory briefings describing the historical involvement by extraterrestrial beings with this planet for the past 1,000,000 years. The beings originate from the Zeta Reticuli 1 & 2 star system and are therefore referred to as Zeta Reticulians, popularly called 'Greys'.

Lazar says he has degrees from the California Institute of Technology and Massachusetts Institute of Technology. In 1993, the Los Angeles Times looked into his background and found there was no evidence to support his claims. Stanton Friedman was only able to verify that Lazar took electronics courses in the late 1970s at Pierce Junior College. The Times did discover that in 1990 Lazar had pled guilty to felony pandering (he installed a computer system for a local brothel, declared bankruptcy and listed his occupation as self-employed photo processor on documents.[1] A 1991 Times article reported, Lazar was "on probation in Clark County, Nevada, on a pandering charge. His educational and professional background cannot be verified - a fact he attributes to government deletion of records."

Desert Blast

Lazar and long time friend Gene Huff run Desert Blast, an annual festival for "explodaholics" in the Nevada desert. Starting in 1987 (but only formally named in 1991, inspired by Desert Storm) the festival features home-made explosives, rockets, jet-powered vehicles, and other pyrotechnics, with the intention of emphasizing the fun aspect of physics.

United Nuclear

In the year 2000 Lazar started United Nuclear, an amateur scientific supply company formerly operated in Sandia Park, New Mexico and recently moved to Laingsburg, MI. United Nuclear sells a variety of materials including radioactive ores, powerful magnets, scientific curiosities like aerogel, and a variety of lab chemicals. United Nuclear claims "over 300,000 satisfied customers," including law-enforcement agencies, schools and amateur scientists.

In 2006 Lazar and wife Joy White were charged with violating the Federal Hazardous Substances Act for shipping restricted chemicals across state lines following a federal investigation started in 2003. The charges stemmed from a 2003 raid on Lazar's business where chemical sales records were examined. The maximum penalty is 270 days in prison and a $15,000 fine. Lazar claimed that he mistakenly concluded that he could legally sell the chemicals after finding incorrect information on the internet.

In 2007 Lazar/United Nuclear were fined $7,500 for violating a law against selling chemicals and components used to make illegal fireworks. Lazar "pled guilty to three criminal counts of introducing into interstate commerce and aiding and abetting the introduction into interstate commerce of banned hazardous substances."Lazar also "entered into a consent decree that permanently limits the amount of future sales of fireworks-related chemicals", and United Nuclear Scientific Equipment and Supplies was placed on probation for three years.

Lazar again gained attention in 2006 from news reports that he sold small amounts of Polonium, a radioactive element which was in the news because of its role in fatally poisoning former Soviet intelligence agent and whistleblower Alexander Litvinenko.

Fact or Fiction

Although his stories have garnered some rather interesting fanfare and media attention, it is hard to determine what the truth really is. Some hold out for Bob's story, but the majority of others remain skeptical. Including Stanton Friedman, who looked into Lazar's claims and did his own investigating on the matter. Another debunker is Dr. David L. Morgan. Morgan looked into all of Lazar's scientific claims and put down most of the ideas that Lazar had elaborated on in his description of the alien spacecraft, particularly its propulsion systems and use of Element 115. Morgan also went on to say, "After reading an account by Bob Lazar of the "physics" of his Area 51 UFO propulsion system, my conclusion is this: Mr. Lazar presents a scenario which, if it is correct, violates a whole handful of currently accepted physical theories. That in and of itself does not necessarily mean that his scenario is impossible. But the presentation of the scenario by Lazar is troubling from a scientific standpoint. Mr. Lazar on many occasions demonstrates an obvious lack of understanding of current physical theories."

SOURCE: Wikipedia Bob Lazar  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lazar)
Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on October 13, 2011, 04:30:12 pm
United Nuclear

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Bob Lazar runs United Nuclear, a scientific supply company based in Albuquerque, New Mexico. United Nuclear sells a variety of materials including radioactive ores, powerful magnets, scientific curiosities like aerogel, and a variety of lab chemicals. United Nuclear claims "over 300,000 satisfied customers," including law-enforcement agencies, schools, and amateur scientists.

United Nuclear's site also advertises a prototype kit for adapting normal road vehicles to run on hydrogen power. The company says the kits are on hold due to the actions of the Consumer Product Safety Commission.

United Nuclear (http://www.unitednuclear.com/)

Switch To Hydrogen!

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The United Nuclear Hydrogen Fuel System Kit converts your existing vehicle to run on Hydrogen.
Complete kits will be available for various late-model cars & trucks as well as individual system components for those who choose to assemble their own kits. Simply put, you never have to buy Gasoline again. Since there are no major changes made to your engine, you can still run your vehicle on Gasoline at any time. We now have over 50,000 trouble-free miles on our prototype vehicles. We are currently fleet-testing our systems and are in final preparation for sales to the general public.

United Nuclear - Hydrogen Fuel Systems (http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/)

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Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on October 13, 2011, 04:35:19 pm
The Lazar Synopsis

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by Gene Huff
posted to alt.conspiracy.area51
12 Mar 1995

Summary: This is a synopsis, or maybe booklet, of Bob Lazar's story which is being offered as a ground zero for future dialogue.

This is a synopsis, or maybe booklet, of Bob Lazar's story which is being offered as a ground zero for future dialogue. After coming to the internet a short time ago, I noticed that people's knowledge of Bob's story varied widely. This is an effort to increase that knowledge base so people who either support or dismiss Bob's story do it for the right reasons. Bob's story is long and complex and in this document I've tried to condense it to a manageable size without omitting relevant points. I'm going to emphasize how things looked from my point of view. I won't elaborate on propulsion systems and things of that sort, so if you want that you can get it on the Lazar Tape and hear if from Bob himself. So here we go...

In the late 1980's I was working as a real estate appraiser in Las Vegas, and still am for that matter. Bob Lazar, known as "Bob, the photo guy" to most Las Vegas appraisers operated the photo lab that serviced many appraisers at that time. Bob and I had met in 1985 and by 1988 we had become friends and began to socialize together. Bob's wife, Tracy, usually did the photo deliveries to our office and, at first, I had talked to her and seen her infinitely more than Bob. Periodically she would talk about when she and Bob lived in Los Alamos, not together, and I just presumed that he ran a photo lab down there. Bob and Tracy met when Tracy was hired to work at a business run buy Bob's first wife, Carol. Tracy's dad, Don Merck, worked at the Los Alamos National Lab (LANL from here on out) and that's how she happened to be living there. Don worked on the conventional charge that implodes and compresses the nuke material to make an atomic bomb explode.

After Bob and I started socializing, I began to notice that he knew a lot about many things. I knew that he was somewhat of an egghead because, when he would do a rare photo delivery, he would drive a Honda CRX in which he had installed a jet engine. But his knowledge base extended far beyond that. There was little he didn't know about jet engines, combution engines, electronics, computer hardware and software, etc. He even made some nitro- glycerin one day while we sat talking at the kitchen table. We later took it out to the desert and blew it up, that's how I knew it was, indeed, a high energy explosive. Eventually, I asked him why he knew all of this stuff. He said, "I've got degrees in physics and electronic technology". I said, "Well, what's the difference between you and a scientist?" He said, " I AM a scientist". I said, "Why didn't you tell me?" He said, "What did you want me to do, say hey man, I'm a scientist"? I said, "Yeah, I would have". He just shook his head and walked away. I later found out that he had worked at the Meson Physics facility at LANL.

All this time, I just thought he was some guy who ran a photo lab and just happened to have an interest in jet engines. He also had, and still has, a rail type dragster with a jet engine from one of the military's first supersonic fighters. Anyway, in time, I met: Bob's dad, Al; his mother, Phyllis; Tracy's dad Don; Joe Vaninetti, an old friend from Los Alamos. Joe's last job at LANL was melting down plutonium. He is currently completing his masters in soils analysis (soils science?) up in Utah. You'll hear more about Joe later; Melissa Crey (maybe Cray) Joe's room mate and a physicist at LANL; and Jim Tagliani, and old friend and computer & electronic tech. All of these people seemed to think Bob was a scentist and, to this day, I have no reason to doubt him and numerous reasons to believe him. Jim Tagliani actually worked with Bob at Fairchild Electronics in southern Cal where Bob was the youngest electrical engineer ever to have worked there. This was a couple of years prior to Bob's Los Alamos job.

At this point, in 1988, Bob was bored with the photo lab and had sent out resumes to various government labs to try and get back into another scientific job. Included on that list was Dr. Edward Teller, the father of the hydrogen bomb and scientific consultant to the last 5 or 6 presidents. Bob had met Teller in 1982 in Los Alamos when Teller was there lecturing. Coincidentally, at this same time, Bob's picture was on the front page of the Los Alamos Monitor newspaper. A staff writer named Terry England had done an article on Bob and a Honda CRX in which he had installed a jet engine. This wasn't the same jet CRX he had when I first met him. This article ran in the June 27, 1982 edition of that paper and in it they refer to Bob as, and I quote, "Lazar, a physicist at the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility". It's difficult to believe that in a town of 10,000 scientists, who all have egos about their credentials, the only local newspaper could refer to Bob as a scientist if he was not one, at least not without any public outrage. Anyway, when Bob arrived early to hear Teller speak, there Teller sat reading the newspaper article about Bob. Bob used this as an avenue to introduce himself and they had a short chat about jets, etc. Bob later heard Teller's speech and that was that. So in 1988 when Bob sent out all of these resumes, he thought, why not take a shot?

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It had been a while since he sent out these resumes and one day I dropped by his house and asked him if he had heard any news. He said, "As a matter of fact, yeah, Edward Teller called me". I said, "Who's Edward Teller?". After he explained, I understood the importance of the call. Teller had responded by phone and said that he was no longer active, but currently worked in a chief consultant capacity. However, Teller did give Bob the name of a gentleman to call here in Las Vegas. Bob called this guy and talked to him and a short time later, someone from EG&G called Bob to set up an interview. EG&G is a company that has all kinds of high tech interests here at the Nevada Test Site. Bob threw away the piece of paper with the name Teller gave him on it. Remember, at this point in time, nobody knew what Bob was headed for and it's obvious that it would be nice to have that name now.

So Bob went to EG&G for the interview. Bob later told me that he "dazzled" them by having every answer to some pretty complex questions and he was optimistic about getting the job. This was unusual because Bob isn't one to pat himself on the back. However, dazzling them temporarily backfired because they told him he was overqualified for the job and he didn't get it. They then told him not to lose hope because they had something coming up that he might be interested in. Ultimately, they called him back and hired him to work on a propulsion project in an "outer area".

Bob reported to the EG&G building at McCarran airport, which had runway access, where he was met by Dennis Mariani. Mariani was a security man of medium build and heighth, about 35 to 40 years old, blonde hair and a tightly cropped blonde mustache. Mariani had a military look and manner, but he didn't wear a uniform. With Mariani as his escort, Bob was flown out to area 51 at Groom Lake.

At area 51, Bob had to sign a secrecy agreeement and an agreement to waive his constitutional rights, which is illegal but was made possible by an executive order with Ronald Reagan's signature on it. He also had to sign an agreement which allowed them to monitor his phone line. Bob already had "Q" clearance, which is top secret civilian clearance, at Los Alamos but he had never gone through anything like this. The clearance he was now attaining would require perpetual monitoring of his activities and would never simply be attained and forgotten about until the next review date. After some abrupt suggestions that he honor his secrecy agreement and watch his general conduct, he and Mariani boarded a bus with blacked out windows and took a 20 to 30 minute ride down a bumpy dirt/gravel road. They arrived at a base near Papoose dry lake bed know as S4.

S4 was a combination of buildings and hangars built into the side of a mountain. Armed guards were everywhere, and security was oppressive. Bob even got an armed escort when he went to the bathroom. They arranged Bob's I.D. and gave him a physical which included a test for allergic reactions to substances which were not identified for Bob. After this he was placed in a briefing room by himself to read some briefings as part of his indoctrination. As Mariani closed the door to leave Bob alone, Bob saw a poster on the back of the door. It was a "flying saucer" hovering over a dry lake bed and it was captioned, "They're Here". Bob opened the top folder on the desk and it contained 8 x 10 glossy photos of 9 different flying saucers, including the one on the poster.

To this day, no one knows why Bob was selected for this project. Bob has a comprehensive knowledge base and is an excellent problem solver, but this may not be uncommon in the scientific community. Maybe the good word from Edward Teller carried a lot of weight. It's even possible that the nod from Teller carried more weight than was originally intended, no one knows.

At this point in time, Tracy helped with the photo lab during the day and worked out at a health club and took flying lessons at night. Bob was on call for S4 and would generally be called to go out once every week or two. They said he'd be working on an on call basis until he was "brought up to speed", at which time he would work on a more consistant basis. They'd always have Bob report in the late afternoon and work evenings which allowed him to maintain the photo lab during the day. Bob was now very secretive about his job and would only tell his wife and friends that he was working on something that required clearance. He eventually did tell us that he flew into area 51 when he went to work. We had no idea what he was actually doing and, because of that, none of us were overly curious as to what his project was.

Around this same time, KLAS, the CBS affiliate is Las Vegas, had been running local news shows, featuring UFO researchers, which I found entertaining and intriguing. These shows were hosted by George Knapp, a local news anchor who is now high profile and arguably the most informative and motivating speaker on the UFO circuit. George doesn't speak as regularly as "UFO experts", but is infinitely more informed than them, especially with things ufological in Nevada. On these shows, much ado was being made about alleged UFOs and aliens at area 51. Bob assured us that there were no UFOs at area 51. As it ended up, he was telling the truth. They were at S4 and they were called "discs" and they were anything but "unidentified".

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Bob had been hired to be part of a "back engineering" team. Back engineering is the act of taking apart a finished product to find out what makes it tick. In this instance, their job was to back engineer a flying disc to see if it could be reproduced with earth materials. Bob's specific job was to help back engineer the propulsion system. In subsequent trips to S4 Bob was exposed to the propulsion system on a bench in a lab, as well as the propulsion system, in place, in a disc. In a sleek disc he would eventually nickname the "sport model" Bob had to hang upside down through an opening on the floor of the central level to view the gravity amplifiers on the lower level. He eventually witnessed a brief, low altitude test flight of this same disc. He was also taught how the discs are able to distort space/time to achieve interstellar travel. The "Sport Model" disc is currently being produced as a plastic model by the Testor Corporation.

In subsequent visits to the briefing room, he read read overview reports which were used to give the diverse group of S4 scientists some idea of the breadth of the project. Naturally, they were all given in depth information regarding their own particular endeavors, but it seems that they couldn't put good scientific minds to work and compartmentalize information so much that someone wouldn't say, " By the way, aren't these flying saucers we're working on?". The scientists at S4 worked in teams and were obviously not allowed to chat in the lunch room about what everybody else was doing so apparently they gave them all a limited overview to satisfy their curiousity and keep them sane.

In these reports Bob read information about man's history and philosophy and theology and the part that these aliens, who brought the disc technology, played in these areas. Much of this information was alarming, even shocking, and it has certainly changed my life. This information, combined with the defense capabilities and possibilities of disc technology and gravity propulsion , has caused this to be the most secret program in history and THE pet project which the military and political elite have kept from the rest of the DOD and, for that matter, the rest of mankind.

SOURCE: http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1934.htm

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Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on October 13, 2011, 04:37:18 pm
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During this time, agents from the Office of Federal Investigation, the OFI, would randomly visit Bob's house. The OFI agents are the guys who do background checks on people hired for classified positions on the Nevada Test Site, and elsewhere I would imagine. One time an agent named Mike Thigpen visited with other agents and searched Bob's house and belongings. Thigpen was witnessed there by Kristen Merck, Bob's now ex-sister-in-law and Mrs. Wayne Higdon, the wife of a mutual friend of Bob's and mine. George Knapp later asked Thigpen what he was doing at Bob's house. Thigpen claimed he had no file on it and he couldn't remember being there. He said maybe he was there asking Bob questions about Jim Tagliani, a friend of ours who was then trying to get clearance to work as an electronics technician at the stealth fighter base on the Tonopah Test Range. This was a ridiculous response. Thousands of people nationwide have been visited by investigators from the OFI or DOD to respond to questions about friends and neighbors and relatives who are in the process of getting cleared for classified positions. These agents hardly retain the right to search your house and personal belongings. Obviously, Thigpen was doing his job by not remembering being at Bob's house, even though he was witnessed there by two women who didn't even really know each other. In defense of the OFI investigators, the guys doing the background checks are not necessarily informed of the destination of the subject of their investigation. Even if Thigpen had admitted his activities at Bob's house, this would have been no sort of verification that he knew what Bob was in for. The depth of the requisite investigation may indicate the level of security clearance, but not the actuality of the subject's employment.

Around this same time, the U.S. scientists at S4 had made some sort of discovery which was a major step forward in understanding disc technology and gravity propulsion. We had apparently involved some Russian scientists to whatever degree, and rather than share this advance with them, we kicked them out. Bob doesn't know that the Russians were allowed to actually work with the hardware. They may have only been involved in the mathematical and physical theory, he doesn't know. Anyway, the Russians weren't pleased about being left out. One of the S4 scientists didn't show up for work for a couple of days and security was paranoid. They said that the KGB had a presence in Las Vegas and they were afraid that they would either abduct someone that worked at S4 or make the bribe so good that someone wouldn't be able to refuse. The S4 guy eventually turned up, but security wanted to be safe rather than sorry. They decided to make everyone in the program who flew out from EG&G carry guns from home to EG&G and from EG&G back home.

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Extraterrestrial Highway at Rachel, Nevada

At EG&G, a female official distributed a small caliber pistol to Bob and told him that if he lost it, he'd have to pay them $500 for it. Bob said no way, because he knew this pistol wasn't even worth $500. After some discussion, Bob made them aware that he had a .44 magnum, amongst other guns, and they agreed that he would carry his own gun. However, since all of Bob's guns were purchased in New Mexico and had never been registered, they wanted Bob to register his guns so everything was legal. Dennis Mariani escorted Bob down to the Las Vegas Metro substation on the southwest corner of Atlantic and St. Louis. Bob sat in a waiting area and Mariani went in and spoke about whatever with the police official in charge. A short time later, the police official came out of the office with Mariani to make a copy of something. He looked at Bob and scoffed, "So THIS is the kid the Russians might be after?" I guess Bob wasn't the big, strong, he-man required to command this guy's respect. It's curious that Mariani would have even mentioned anything like that to a local cop. In Nevada, you can carry a gun in your car as long as it's not concealed. Your car is interpreted as an extension of your home, so Bob didn't need a permit to carry a concealed weapon or anything like that. This event has subsequently caused us to question whether or not Dennis Mariani was from Nevada.

Also around this same time something was going on that Bob didn't know about. The feds monitoring his phone line had heard Tracy talking with her flight instructor, who was teaching her more than just how to fly. She was having an affair and they knew that if Bob inadvertantly found out or if Tracy confessed, Bob could potentially become emotionally unstable. They kept him involved at S4 on a limited basis but the time intervals between calls to work lengthened and he became frustrated. This was ultimately a blessing for Jim Tagliani and me.

Bob sensed that something was wrong. They had give him a taste of honey and he had a strong desire to get back out to S4. He would hear us talking about George Knapp's UFO shows and we would wonder aloud about the actuality of the situation. In a rebellious move, Bob threw us some hints and finally decided that he would do us the favor of allowing us to KNOW, not suspect, that something was really happening. After not being called to work for some time, he broke down and told me. I understand that he told Jim Tagliani around the same time. We didn't have group meetings or anything like that. Jim didn't know what I knew and I didn't know what Jim knew. Bob was the central cog in that relationship and, though I consider Jim Tagliani a friend, we seldom socialize together unless Bob is involved.

When Bob told me we were riding down Alta drive in my car. He said that he was working at S4 on flying discs and he was back engineering the propulsion system. I was intrigued to say the least. He said one of the discs looked like it had been stood up on it's edge to have a projectile fired through it to test the integrity of the metal or something along those lines. The conversation was brief, but I remember it like it was yesterday.

I now had a million questions to ask Bob, but we couldn't talk on the telephone and, considering the state of the art in listening devices, we couldn't talk at his house either. This confirmation increased my appetite for reading UFO literature exponentially. I soon saw that no one knew what Bob knew and I was lucky enough to have him telling me. When we felt it was safe and convenient we would have discussions and he would tell me things about S4 and I would tell him things that I had read. We both found it hilarious that organizations like MUFON andCUFON named themselves by placing UFON after their initials. So we jokingly nicknamed each other Bufon and Gufon, for Bob's UFO network and Gene's UFO network, respectively. These were nicknames that, later, government agents would not find so funny.

Around this same time, Bob received his first paycheck for one week's pay even though the days had never been worked consecutively. The check was for $958.11. Bob showed me the check and I remember commenting that I thought that a senior staff physicist, which was Bob's position, would have been paid more than that. He proceeded to tell me how underpaid scientists were and I later found out that was true. I think I was the only one, other than Bob, to ever see that check. He had his eye on some electronic equipment so he decided to buy it and not tell Tracy that the check had ever arrived. In later years when people questioned Bob's W-2, I knew it was actual because, even though I didn't remember the exact amount, I knew that it was nine hundred and fifty or sixty bucks which showed me that Bob's W-2 reflected the money actually received. Later, when he left the program, the government still owed him for some time worked, a bill which remains unpaid to this day.

The next time he was called to work, the people at S4 were questioning Bob about his friend, Joe Vaninetti. They implied they might be interested in Joe and wanted Bob to get a resume from Joe and take it to the office at EG&G. On the day when Bob told them he'd have it there, he was busy and couldn't make it. Since Joe was still down in Los Alamos, Bob asked me to drop it off for him. I took Joe's resume out to EG&G and the receptionist asked me what I was doing there. I told her that I had Joe's resume and she grabbed it from me as though she was expecting it. We still don't know if they were interested in Joe or they just wanted to know more about him because he was Bob's main, but not only, Los Alamos connection. They may have heard Bob talking on the phone with Joe or something like that, no one knows. The bottom line is, they never hired Joe and his name was never brought up again.

On one of Bob's last nights at S4, he was being escorted down a hallway by armed guards and was told to keep his eyes forward. As they passed a door with one of those small square windows in it, out of the corner of his eye, Bob thought he saw a small "grey" alien standing between two men in lab coats. All three were facing a console of some sort and had their backs to the door. When he tried to turn his head to actually look and confirm his sighting, he was pushed forward by a guard behind him and told, again, to keep his eyes forward. Bob recognized it as a "grey" alien because these types of beings were shown in reports in the briefing room. To this point, he had surmised that any grey aliens had been gone since 1979, at least that's what the briefing reports implied. The sight in that room surprised him, to say the least.

After work that night, Bob arrived home and Tracy was gone, apparently to her flying lesson. He needed someone to talk to so he called me. I had been sick with the flu all that day and my wife had been nursing me back to health all that evening. I let the answering machine go off and after it beeped, I heard Bob say, "Gufon, it's Bufon, pick up the phone". I answered and he suggested that we get together that night. I explained to him that I had been sick and, after all of my wife's efforts, she would be mad if I left. He insisted and said that he wanted to talk to me about those "baby pictures". He and I had no business with baby pictures so I recognized this as code and he mentioned photos so if anyone was listening, they wouldn't be suspicious. I reminded him that I rise early and suggested we get together the next morning. I asked if he would be up at that early hour. He replied that he would probably be up all night. I told him I'd talk to my wife and call him right back.

I told my wife that something big must have been up because he was so persistent. After all, we already knew he was working on flying saucers so this had to be something big. Whatever it was he wanted to talk about was so important that he risked sounding suspicious to those monitoring his phone. I called Bob back to tell him I'd come over and, oddly, there was no answer. I thought maybe he had stepped out to get something to eat. I'd wait about 5 minutes between calls, but he didn't answer the next four times I called him. Finally, on the sixth call he picked up the phone and said, "I'll have to call you back, some people from work are here. Bob didn't call back that night, but since I had the flu, I fell asleep anyway. As it ended up, right after I had hung up with him the first time, government agents arrived at his door and wanted to know who this "Gufon" character was. To them, this sounded like a code name, not a joke. Bob explained and they stayed there and filled out a multi-page report on Gene Huff aka Gufon. We don't know if these were the guys who were actually listening to our conversation or if they had been radioed or telephoned about it. However they found out, they couldn't have been far from Bob's house to arrive that quickly.

The next morning I arrived at my office around seven. I had taken some baby pictures to the office with me, just in case. Bob walked into my office around seven thirty and motioned with his hands in an effort to tell me to watch what I said. He now knew they were suspicious of me and he didn't want to talk in my office or on my phone. It was highly unusual for Bob to ever be at my office before ten thirty or so and his face was very ruddy. He looked like he just may have been up all night. I said, "Here are those baby pictures" as I handed them to him and he said "Thanks". Since we couldn't talk, I grabbed a legal pad and wrote down two questions. The first one said, "Have you only flown in planes?", as I was thinking he might have flown in a disc. The second one said, "Has everyone you've seen been from earth?", for obvious reasons. He grabbed the pen and answered the questions Yes and No respectively. He said, "I'll take care of these baby pictures" and left my office. Just to be safe, I went out to the wetbar sink at my office and burned that piece of paper. Bob later told me the rest of the story which I've just told you. Now, in present day, when Bob is asked about this event by strangers, he explains it away by saying that it may just have been an alien doll or something along those lines which was employed just to test him. He tends to diminish this story with time, but as you can tell, that's not what he thought back on that night.

Another substantial period of time had passed since Bob had been called to work and one day I dropped by his house. He answered the door and we walked out to the sidewalk in front of his house to have a short chat. I was telling him about all of the UFO stuff I had read recently and the whole time he was looking up in the sky, preoccupied with his own thoughts. I was essentially whining that everything of substance in ufology always happened a long time ago, i.e., the Roswell crash in the '40s, the Russian sightings in the '50s. I told him that if all this was reality, there should be something happening somewhere, now, and that's where I wanted to be. He stopped looking at the sky and looked at me and said, "What are you doing Wednesday night?

Bob had had it. He was tired of them not involving him to a greater degree and he decided to rebel in an aggressive manor. He had decided to take me to the desert out off of the now infamous highway 375 to witness a disc flight test. Bob knew the tests were held on Wednesday evenings right after dusk.

The first Wednesday, March 22, 1989, we arrived right at dusk, turned our lights off, and went in about 5 miles on the Groom Lake road. Soon we saw a bright light rise above the mountains which were between us and S4. The light begin jumping and dancing around, doing step moves in the sky, then would come to a dead stop and hover, etc. It repeated this type of activity for a few minutes which was thrilling, but it was so far away, we could only see so much. This activity by the object was blatant and it wasn't our eyes playing tricks on us with starlight and planet light being distorted by the atmosphere or clouds, or anything of that sort. Eventually, the light slowly sat back down behind the mountains. Little did we know that the next Wednesday, March 29, 1989, would present us with the thrill of a lifetime. I would not generally remember these Wednesday dates, but my son was born Wednesday, March 15, 1989, so the Wednesday dates were easy to remember.

The next Wednesday, Bob, Tracy, Jim Tagliani, and I rented a Lincoln towncar to make the trip a little more comfortable. We all owned compact cars and the round trip out to Groom Lake was a killer. We arrived, turned our lights off, and went in about 5 miles on the Groom Lake road. We pulled off on a side road and unloaded our video camera, telescope, binoculars, etc. out of the trunk and we left the trunk lid open.

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The disc came up around the same place but, this time, it staged a breathtaking performance. It repeated moves similar to the week before, but this time it came down the mountain range toward us. At first it seemed far away, then you'd blink and it would seem a lot closer, then you'd blink again and it would seem a LOT closer. It wasn't the same sensation as seeing a set of headlights on a car or landing lights on a jet approach you at night time. There was no sense of continual movement toward you, it just sort of "jumps" toward you and this is very alarming to your brain. Bob explained that this is because of it's method of propulsion and the way it distorts space/time and light. Bob also explained that the bright glow of the disc was due to the way it was energized. When the disc came our direction, it glowed so brightly that we thought it might explode so we moved behind the open trunk lid for protection. The fact is that an explosion was the only thing, other than the sun, that we had ever seen be that bright so that's why we suspected an explosion. As we all look back on that now, it's difficult to believe it came so close that we backed away from it. After all, it was probably still a few miles away and that fact reflects how brightly it was glowing. But the fact is, it did come that close and the event was much more thrilling than I've described here. It, too, eventually sat down behind the mountains and we left. We have never seen anything comparable to this in the sky out in central Nevada since then, and we haven't even heard other people's descriptions come close to describing what we saw. Remember, this all happened prior to the highway 375 sky watch becoming ufology's favorite past time.

The next Wednesday, April 5, 1989, we arrived shortly before dusk. On the drive out, Bob told us he had been called to go into work the next day. Numerous security vehicles were sweeping the roads that the cattle ranchers use to round-up their cattle after open range grazing. It seemed that this night, more than the previous Wednesday nights, they wanted to make sure no one was outside of area 51. We tried to sneak in using our usual "stealth" mode, but security saw our brake lights and began to chase us. We tried to beat them out to the highway, but they came from all directions and ultimately we had to stop. We told them we were simply out there star gazing, which they didn't believe for one moment. They agreed that they couldn't chase us off of public land, but simply said they would "prefer" that we retreat back up to the highway. They issued us a copy of a written warning that said we were approaching a military installation and it stated the Nevada Revised Statutes which cited the penalties for taking pictures of the base, etc. So much for those UFO researchers who say that the government won't admit that area 51 exists. If that warning isn't an admission, I don't know what is. We went back up to the highway, but we didn't leave. A short time later a Lincoln County cop named LaMoreaux pulled us over and hassled us. He took our I.D.s and radioed our identities into the security base station. It was obvious that the guards and the sherriff's office worked together. He let us go and we went back home.

The next day when Bob reported to EG&G, Dennis Mariani stopped him and told him they wouldn't be flying out to Groom. Instead, they took Bob's car and drove out to Indian Springs Air Force Base, a small, rural base about an hour north of Las Vegas. On the drive out Mariani sarcastically told Bob that when they told Bob this was top secret, they presumed he understood that meant not to bring his family or friends out to watch a disc test. He also told Bob that our shenanigans outside of area 51 had caused them to postpone a "high performance" disc test. Mariani was totally silent for most of the rest of the drive.

At Indian Springs, Bob was debriefed and reprimanded for bringing us out to watch the disc test. They didn't know we had been successful the two previous Wednesdays. They helicoptored the head security man in from area 51 to identify Bob as one of the people he saw when they stopped us the night before. They told him that if they caught any of the rest of us out there again, they'd arrest us for espionage. Bob explained that he couldn't tell us what to do and also reminded them that we were on public land. They explained that they would simply claim that we were on government land and that a judge would certainly believe twenty of them before he'd believe us. They blatantly stated that they would collectively lie to get us convicted, not that we were surprised by that. That was certainly enough to keep me away from there, at least for a while.

They also showed Bob transcripts of Tracy's phone conversations with her boyfriend/flight instructor. Bob already knew about the affair, but he was shocked to see that they had actual typed transcripts of her conversations. Since they now knew that he was aware of the affair, they considered him to be a sure candidate for emotional instability. They revoked his security clearance and said he could reapply in 6 to 9 months. They let him go back home that night, but they apparently weren't done with him yet. A short time later they called and demanded his presence back out on the Nevada Test Site, but Bob refused. He knew they had no intention of letting him go this time and he was not about to volunteer to help them out. Dennis Mariani called and threatened him but Bob stood firm.

After losing his wife and the most important job a scientist could ever have, Bob was pretty much a broken man. His concern for their efforts at retaliation caused him to decide to go on television in silhouette and tell the story of what was going on out in central Nevada. After he did that, they shot his back tire out one evening as he was driving up an entrance ramp to get on the highway. This was an extra hint at what was in store for him if he didn't shut up.

Bob had decided to work with George Knapp to expose the story. This was an aggressive move on his part to try and gain some leverage. If he went high profile, he could force them to adopt a hands off policy. After going high profile, if they incarcerated him or killed him, they would have confirmed that what he was saying was true, and that was definitely not their desire.

At this point, we all agreed that there was great power in knowing that someone was listening on the phone. People watch what they say when they suspect their phone line is tapped, but it's a much different story when you're confident they're listening. We called friends in other states and told them Bob's story. We would also imply that we had informed numerous friends and agencies by mail, something that they could not monitor. If someone actually was listening, and I think they were, we must have driven them crazy trying to figure out what was real. They had to prepare for the worst and presume we might be telling the truth. Bob was being followed by unmarked cars both day and night. I was even followed one evening.

Finally, Dennis Mariani contacted Bob and send he wanted to meet and speak with Bob on a "personal level". Bob set up the meeting at the Union Plaza casino in downtown Las Vegas. The meeting was set for 8 PM on Saturday night when there's be plenty of witnesses if anything bad happened. Joe Vaninetti happened to be in town from Los Alamos that weekend. We created a stealth plan and Joe and I accompanied Bob down to the Union Plaza hotel.

Bob entered first and, a short time later, Joe and I entered and sat down to play the slot machines as though we were tourists. Bob walked around and looked for Mariani, but at first he couldn't find him. Bob even paged him on the house phone. Finally, Bob saw Mariani approaching in a crowd of people and walked up to him. Mariani wouldn't make eye contact with Bob and walked on by as if Bob wasn't there. Bob also noticed another security man from S4 over by the wall on the other side of the crowd. Bob casually walked by Joe and I and told us what happened without looking at us or appearing to socialize with us. From a distance he then saw Mariani walk into another part of the casino.

Bob asked me to go into that other part of the casino with him, but to stay out of sight. He wanted someone else to be able to visually identify Dennis Mariani. We entered in a crowd and Bob pointed out Mariani, who was now sitting at a blackjack table. I went and hid behind a bank of slot machines behind Mariani. I was only about 20 feet from him and I had a clear view of him. He looked exactly as Bob had described him. Thirty five to forty years old, medium build, blonde hair , and a tightly cropped blonde mustache, and this night he was also smoking a slender cigar.

Mariani's manor was quite curious. He was sitting between two very attractive, very buxom, women at the blackjack table, yet he would only look down at his cards and didn't seem to be enjoying himself. This is unusual behavior for someone in the festive casino atmosphere of a Saturday night in Las Vegas. Bob walked down the other side of the blackjack pit parallel to a long bar. Mariani looked up and his head followed Bob as Bob made that walk. Since this was the only time he looked up from his cards, especially considering the other available scenery, this indicated to me that he, indeed, knew who Bob was.

Bob walked around the blackjack pit and walked right up to Mariani and said, "Well, Dennis, you said you wanted to meet and here I am, now what's the deal?". Not only did Mariani not answer, he didn't even look at Bob or acknowledge his existence. Bob said, "Dennis, what the hell is going on, what is this poop?". Again, Mariani didn't acknowledge him.

Bob came over to me behind the slot machines and we quickly formulated a plan to follow him and try and get his license number or something along those lines. Mariani was only out of our sight for less than 15 seconds, but when we looked back, he was gone. We hurried through the casino in different directions looking for him. We even checked the restrooms, but he was nowhere to be found. We went back to the other part of the casino where Joe was sitting and asked him if anybody fitting Mariani's descripton had come that way. Joe said no one who looked like that had walked by his area. We could only surmise that maybe Mariani was there to speak on a personal level and that the other security guy that Bob had spotted was a surprise to everyone, including Dennis. No one has seen or heard anything from Dennis Mariani since that night.

After this Bob proceeded to cooperate with George Knapp, who subsequently produced "UFOs, The Best Evidence". George won the UPI individual achievement award for that special. During the making of that documentary, George tried to check out Bob's credentials, including his schooling and his previous employment. George could only find a record of Bob's schooling at Pierce Junior College in California. Even Los Alamos denied that Bob ever worked there.

Bob provided George with evidence that he had worked at Los Alamos. This included the names of people he worked with, newpaper articles about him, and even a LANL phone book that listed Bob's name in it. People were apparently going to great lengths to detach from Bob Lazar. Eventually Bob cooperated with George in contacting Kirk-Mayer, the LANL sub-contractor that Bob worked for at LANL. Both Kirk-Mayer and LANL admitted that Bob had been issued a "Z number" of 094729 on May 18, 1982, but both said they no longer had any record of Bob's employment. By the way, a "Z number" is some prerequisite identification number for anyone who works at any of the LANL facilities. Bob also provided George with his W-2 from S4, however, George ran into dead ends when he tried to find who deposited money in IRS and FICA accounts on behalf of Bob Lazar. The word was that some IRS and Social Security files are also classified.

SOURCE: http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1934.htm

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Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on October 13, 2011, 04:38:01 pm
Pandering Charge

In the months that followed, ufology began to become more mainstream and much of it was due to George Knapp and others exposing Bob Lazar's story. The Rachel Bar and Grill, outside of area 51, became the "Little A le Inn" and people began running bus tours out to watch the sky over Groom Lake. George Knapp received 30 to 40 phone calls on a daily basis which involved peoples reports and questions reagarding all aspects of ufology. Journalists from all over the world were chasing Bob Lazar for interviews, and still are for that matter. Then came the brothel bust.

Bob was still a broken man, but when he had recovered enough to go out in public, he sought some comfort with a hooker. Now I don't know how this looks and sounds elsewhere in the world, but in Nevada this is no big deal. Prostitution is legal in the state of Nevada, but illegal in the counties that house Las Vegas, Reno, and Lake Tahoe. However, this is just for show and it's common knowlege that brothels and hookers in the form of escort services exist in these cities also. The police pretend to passively pursue this, but along with gambling, drinking, and entertainment, prostitution is part of the package.

Bob called a number out of the newpaper and happened upon a 40 to 45 year old madam/hooker who ran 2 to 4 girls out of a condominium project in the southeast part of town. This was an upper line condo project so don't envision some dark sleezy place engulfed in red lights. Bob went there and did his business, but before he left, the hookers were having some problems with a stereo or something like that and, naturally, Bob came to the rescue. He fixed it for them and they invited him back for a freebie.

Well, Bob went back more than once and, in time, all of the girls loved him. Bob has this unique manor about him in which he treats everyone equally. When you interact with Bob, he never gives you the feeling that he's a scientist and you're not so you're not worthy. He treated the hookers with respect, like friends and equals, and this was a breath of fresh air to them considering the attitudes they get from some people. The madam explained to Bob that she had an ongoing affair with a member of Las Vegas Metro Vice and that as long as she didn't do outcalls to the hotels, vice would turn their heads and allow her to operate. It is unknown whose interest these cops were protecting in the hotels. The madam also told Bob that she was an FBI, DEA, and Las Vegas Metro informant. Bob felt a sense of security because of all of this and proceeded to tell the madam how he could streamline her operation by installing computers, security cameras, and other electronic equipment. This appealed to her and she financed her brothel's entrance into the computer age. During all of this, something bad happened. The madam fell in love with Bob. She offered him fifty percent of the business to stay around, but once the electronics were installed, he was no longer interested. Since he wasn't really interested in her, it was a drag for him to be around and he detached himself from her and the brothel. To say that she didn't take this very well is an understatement.

So now television sweeps rolled around and George Knapp thought it would be a great idea to give his audience an update on what the now famous Bob Lazar had been up to since his exit from the program at S4. KLAS had set ratings records with George's previous UFO special about Bob Lazar and they were interested in doing that again.

When George did the interview Bob said, amongst other things, that he had installed a computer system for a local brothel. That was a bad idea. The fact that Bob had broadcast this on television reflected his naivety about the ramifications of his actions. The Las Vegas cops now had a problem. Here was a guy stating that he knew where a local brothel was and all they had to do was ask him it's whereabouts and then bust it. The problem was compounded by the fact that the brothel was run by one of their informants and they were aware of her operation.

The madam's vice buddies explained to her that they had to bust her operation because of Bob's televised admission. After all, the entire vice department didn't know about this, just a couple of vice cops she knew and did business with. They busted the place and she blamed the entire operation on Bob, probably under their advice. She had a client list of some very high level Las Vegans, including cops, and they weren't about to force her to make that public. They let her off with a misdemeanor called, "Keeping a Disorderly House", which is Nevada statute from the early 1900s. I don't think anybody even knows what that's supposed to mean. They then charge Bob with six felonies.

These cops thought they could just hang this whole thing on Bob and be done with it. They soon found out that Bob Lazar had a large following and hundreds of thousands of people were scrutinizing this story. Naturally, most following Bob's story thought this was a setup by the federal government to discredit him, and they may have been involved, but that is unknown to this day.

Anyway, under some of the most incompetent and questionable legal advice in history, Bob plead guilty to pandering and they dropped the rest of the charges. We all urged Bob to fight it but he didn't want to spend the money. This is part of his "I can do everything myself" attitude because his dad is a wealthy L.A. businessman and money would have been no problem. Bob simply won't depend on anyone, even those that love him and want to help him.

Prior to sentencing Judge John Lehman questioned how it was possible that a guy with no previous criminal record, like Bob, would have plead guilty under these circumstances. He also couldn't understand how the madam of the brothel wasn't in front of him as a co-defendant. After all, in the madam's original statement to the police she admitted having become a prostitute in 1971 when Bob Lazar was 12 years old. The judge wasn't buying that Bob coerced HER into anything. All of the judges questions and apprehensions were stated on the record, ON CAMERA, and George Knapp still has a copy of the raw footage.

Bob was sentenced to 3 years probation and community service. Ironically, he completed his community service by installing yet another computer system, this time for Clark County, Nevada. The guys down at probation would jockey for position to see who got to go visit Bob so they could talk to him and ask him UFO questions. He's now off probation and we're currently investigating the possibilities for a pardon. The whole thing was one bad dream and somewhat of a joke because there have only been a handful of pandering convictions in the history of Las Vegas and the others weren't scientists with no criminal record.

Even after the brothel fiasco, Bob was still a highly sought after interview. In 1990, I had an operation on my left leg which laid me up for ten weeks. Since Bob kept turning down people who wanted interviews, I suggested we make a video tape. He said, "Who would want to see a video tape about all of that stuff?". I proceeded to question Bob at length about things and I proceeded to write the script of the "Lazar Tape". Unless our distributors are lying to us, it has become the most highly purchased, and bootlegged, video in the history of UFO videos. The original was produced with elementary facilities and it is currently being remade, broadcast quality, with state of the art graphics and imaging. The rest of the story is pretty much history.

The story I've just presented you is in no way the totality of what happened, but it does present the basic facts. I'm fully aware of everything else that happened so I can answer questions on subjects and details that have not been mentioned here. No one knows everything so if I don't know the answer, I'll simply say "I don't know".

In this synopsis I've also given researchers, pseudo researchers, and "wanna be" researchers new tidbits to chase down and verify and to them I say "Go for it". As you have just read, Bob went public to save his own butt, not to do a favor for everyone else. This is not to say that there isn't a part of him that thinks we all have the right to know. His motive for going public should help explain to some why he is reluctant to participate in some of the the current sideshows, that was never his intent.

I'd also like to include the personal observation that people who think Bob would perpetrate a fraud are wrong. He is totally self sufficient and doesn't care enough about what other people think to waste the time to try and fool them. If I had to describe Bob Lazar in one word, I'd call him "productive". Bob doesn't watch television unless it's the news or weather channel. He doesn't waste one moment of his life preoccuping himself with irrelevant minutia like the rest of us. Bob couldn't tell you who was in the super bowl or the world series and if the baseball strike never ends it won't affect his life one bit. He's busy with one scientific project or another and he certainly isn't sitting around wondering what we're saying about him on the internet.

I know that this synopsis, in itself, doesn't prove a thing. I'm now going to write a counterpoint to the infamous "Lazar Timeline" and post that. I don't intend to refute everything that's in it, I just intend to put it in perspective. This story isn't as simple as some guy with no credentials makes some flying saucer claims and then gets busted for pandering.

I fully understand everyone's apprehensions about the lack of evidence of Bob Lazar's schooling. If I didn't know him, I would be apprehensive, too. I wish I had been around when Bob went to school, but I wasn't. Anyone who has met Bob Lazar knows that you don't know what he knows by taking 1 electronics course at Pierce Junior College in California. When George Knapp couldn't find any records on Bob, I asked Bob about it privately. I told him that if he did overstate his credentials that he should tell me and I would try and help him smooth it over. I certainly believed he worked at Los Alamos and S4, even if he had overstated his credentials. I believed, and still believe, his story is way too important to lose it's impact because of something like this. Bob stood firm and didn't change his story. I've seen him do this about other subjects and I haven't caught him in a lie yet.

Evidence is abundant that he worked at Los Alamos. In the early 80's if you worked at Los Alamos you had to have a degree or be working toward one at the University of New Mexico at Los Alamos. That's why there IS a branch of the University of New Mexico in Los Alamos. That's probably still the rule, I don't know. Since Bob was never enrolled there, obviously, LANL believed Bob had credentials.

After you've read the preceding information and after we've had some questions and answers and dialogue on internet, I think you'll have enough information to put Bob's story in perspective. I'm aware of all of the different theories about him which range from total fraud to a subject of mind control to who knows what. Most of those are based on misinformation by incompetent UFO researchers and blatant liars.

You don't need UFO researchers and other assorted characters to pass judgment for you, even when it comes to the physics of gravity propulsion and disc technology. There are numerous books available which are written to the intelligent layman and they explain how physicists know what they know and why they don't know what they don't know. If this subject is important to you then do some reading and upload your own knowledge base. I'm comfortable with whatever conclusions you draw, both for and against Bob Lazar, I understand.

The bottom line is that the only opinion that really counts for you is yours. All of our current opinions are based on the best information we have at this point in time and all of our opinions are subject to change based on new information. That's true of Bob Lazar's story, science, and life in general.

Up to this point I've responded to all of you by Email, but now I'm going to do it on UseNet so any benefit of dialogue will be available to all. I'll treat you as fairly and respectfully as you treat me. Einstein was quoted as saying "Common sense is all the prejudices you acquire by the age of 18". So use your common sense when you examine Bob's story, but remember to expand your knowledge base at the same time. Bob Lazar is 100% certain the S4 story is true. I'm 99% sure, saving 1% for the fact that I wasn't there myself. I hope my effort here will move your opinion up or down so at least it will have been worth the time one way or another. Please forgive any typos, spelling, or sentence and paragraph structure as I am not a professional writer and I haven't found spell check yet on my new word processsing program. Keep in touch

SOURCE: http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1934.htm
Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on October 13, 2011, 04:40:08 pm
Bob Lazar: The Man Behind Element 115

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Bob Lazar: The Man Behind Element 115
Investigative Reporter George Knapp
Updated: May 23, 2005 01:46 PM
http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3373771

How does this sound -- a conversion kit that would allow your car to run on clean, plentiful hydrogen? It's in the works in New Mexico, and the name of the guy who is building it may ring a bell. He's Bob Lazar, and 16 years ago he told the I-Team's George Knapp about Area 51 and said scientists there were studying UFOs. He dropped out of sight, but George caught up with him.

As a teenager, Bob Lazar built a jet-powered bicycle, then a jet Honda, then a jet dragster. These day's he's focused on a different propulsion system. Bob Lazar, former government scientist, said, "Every vehicle we have here is powered by hydrogen."

At his new home in rural New Mexico, Lazar has been working on a conversion kit that will turn any car into a hydrogen hybrid. His two vehicles have already been converted and can travel up to 450 miles on hydrogen, then switch automatically back to gasoline. Lazar wants to take it a step further.

Lazar said, "Every major car company is working on a hydrogen system, but the only difference is, they want to sell you a new hydrogen car and sell you hydrogen gas at hydrogen gas stations. Basically, we're making a conversion kit you can use in your own car and instead of buying hydrogen from someone else, you make it."

He makes hydrogen using water and a solar powered generator. But again, with a Lazar twist. "It's the only particle accelerator on the block, I guarantee ya."

The small lab behind his home has a 30-foot long particle accelerator he built from scratch. He uses it to produce metal hydrides, which absorb hydrogen gas like a sponge and make it much safer to use as a fuel.

Lazar says, "You can do that with ordinary metal hydrides but we found a way to manipulate the atomic structure to change things. It's worked fantastically."

George Knapp teases, "It almost sounds like you're a real scientist."

Lazar replies, "That's what they tell me."

It's an inside joke based on the ridicule Lazar has faced ever since he went public in 1989 with his claims that he worked on flying saucers in the Nevada desert. The military refused to answer any questions about Lazar or his claims, nor could we verify much of anything about his life.

Lazar told us he previously worked at Los Alamos National Lab. The lab repeatedly denied it, even after we found Lazar's name in the lab phone book. His critics say that since he can't prove he ever earned a college degree, he can't be a real scientist, even if he can build jet engines, hydrogen systems and particle accelerators.

Is there a way to prove any part of his story? Maybe. In 1989, Lazar claimed the ET saucers he worked on could produce their own gravity. This propulsion was made possible by a superheavy substance Lazar called Element 115. What is the problem with this story? Element 115 did not exist in 1989. Now, however, it does.

Scientists at the Lawrence Livermore Lab created a miniscule amount of 115 last year. A profound development, but the material decayed almost instantly. So where did the government get 500 pounds of the stuff, which is what Lazar claimed long ago?

Lazar says, "It has to come from some place where it's natural, like from a super nova."

In other words, it comes from a solar system other than ours. Lazar's critics say the fact that 115 as created in a lab is unstable and fleeting proves Lazar is a liar. Lazar says the first batch was only a starting point and that he will be proven right in the long run.

"I'd like to see them continue to work and produce different isotopes of 115 because they're gonna come up with a handful of different varieties and they're gonna come up with a stable isotope, and that's what we're interested," he countered.

By no means does he dwell on being proven right. He and his wife have left the UFO crowd far behind and could care less, they say. Lazar stands by his original story, but says, "I can't say I would do it again. I would probably keep my mouth shut this time."

George Knapp inquired, "But you must get a twinge about the program."

Lazar said, "Oh sure. I mean, who wouldn't like to go back and see what they're doing now? But on the other hand, I'd rather be here."

Earlier this year, British scientists say they demonstrated an anti-gravity system that appears to be based on the theories revealed years ago by Lazar. Some scientists say it's proof that what Lazar said about Element 115 is true after all.

SOURCE: http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3373771

Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on October 13, 2011, 04:56:39 pm
UFOs The Lazar Tape ... And Excerpts From The Government Bible

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Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on October 13, 2011, 04:59:07 pm
Livermore Scientists Team With Russia
To Discover Elements 113 and 115


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A calcium-48 ion is accelerated to a high velocity in a cyclotron and directed at an americium-243 target.

LIVERMORE, Calif. — Scientists from the Glenn T. Seaborg Institute and the Chemical Biology and Nuclear Science Division at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, in collaboration with researchers from the Joint Institute for Nuclear Research in Russia (JINR), have discovered the two newest super heavy elements, element 113 and element 115.

In experiments conducted at the JINR U400 cyclotron with the Dubna gas-filled separator between July 14 and Aug. 10, 2003, the team of scientists observed atomic decay patterns, or chains, that confirm the existence of element 115 and element 113. In these decay chains, element 113 is produced via the alpha decay of element 115.

The results have been accepted for publication in the Feb. 1, 2004 issue of Physical Review C.

SOURCE: LANL Press Release February 2, 2004 (https://publicaffairs.llnl.gov/news/news_releases/2004/NR-04-02-01.html)
Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on October 13, 2011, 05:05:05 pm
New Mexico Company Fined,
Ordered To Stop Selling Illegal Fireworks Components


NEWS from CPSC
U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission


Office of Information and Public Affairs  Washington, DC 20207
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
July 20, 2007
Release #07-249  CPSC Hotline: (800) 638-2772
CPSC Media Contact: Scott Wolfson, (301) 504-7051


New Mexico Company Fined, Ordered To Stop Selling Illegal Fireworks Components

WASHINGTON, D.C. -In the aftermath of the Fourth of July holiday, the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) is announcing another success in its fireworks enforcement program aimed at reducing deaths and injuries to consumers from illegal fireworks.

At sentencing today, United Nuclear Scientific Supplies LLC, of Edgewood, N.M., founded and operated by Robert Lazar, was fined $7,500 and received three years probation. The firm violated federal law which prohibits the sale of chemicals and components used to make illegal fireworks.

"This court ruling is a victory for consumer safety," said CPSC's Acting Chairman Nancy Nord. "By shutting down the illegal operations of United Nuclear and securing a major court victory against Firefox Enterprises and its owners in May, CPSC is demonstrating our commitment to keeping illegal fireworks out of the marketplace and preventing serious injuries to consumers."

U.S. Chief Magistrate Lorenzo F. Garcia of the District of New Mexico handed down the sentence after United Nuclear pled guilty to three criminal counts of introducing into interstate commerce and aiding and abetting the introduction into interstate commerce of banned hazardous substances. The firm sold the chemicals and components used to make illegal fireworks, such as M-80's and quarter sticks, which are banned under the Federal Hazardous Substances Act and CPSC regulations.

United Nuclear, its principal, Robert Lazar, and accountant Joy White, also entered into a consent decree (http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml07/07249.pdf)that permanently limits the amount of future sales of fireworks-related chemicals and prohibits the sale of any fuses, tubes and end caps. The decree also required destruction of the firm's remaining inventory of components and specified chemicals.

The case was prosecuted by the U.S. Department of Justice's Office of Consumer Litigation and the United States Attorney's Office for the District of New Mexico.

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The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission is charged with protecting the public from unreasonable risks of serious injury or death from thousands of types of consumer products under the agency's jurisdiction. The CPSC is committed to protecting consumers and families from products that pose a fire, electrical, chemical, or mechanical hazard. The CPSC's work to ensure the safety of consumer products - such as toys, cribs, power tools, cigarette lighters, and household chemicals - contributed significantly to the decline in the rate of deaths and injuries associated with consumer products over the past 30 years.

To report a dangerous product or a product-related injury, call CPSC's Hotline at (800) 638-2772 or CPSC's teletypewriter at (301) 595-7054. To join a CPSC e-mail subscription list, please go to https://www.cpsc.gov/cpsclist.aspx. (https://www.cpsc.gov/cpsclist.aspx) Consumers can obtain recall and general safety information by logging on to CPSC's Web site at www.cpsc.gov.

SOURCE: U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml07/07249.html)
Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on October 13, 2011, 05:05:27 pm
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/banners/john_lear_med.jpg)  John Lear

Bob grew up in New York and studied the art of making fireworks under one of the fireworks families there, I forget which one. Bob was a master and ran the largest outlaw fireworks display west of the Mississippi every year for 13 years. I was privileged to be part of most of them.

It was always a three day affair, always held illegaly on BLM land and usually had from 200 to 1000 participants. Anything in the way of explosives and guns were permissable. We usually had 4 or 5 airplanes (including a B-26 one year) making mock strafing runs on cars which were purchased from junk yards and/or donated which were wired with explosives. The airplanes would also put on a mock dogfight.

We also had private helicopter gunships with live fire excercises. We usually had 2 or 3 thousand pounds of ammonium nitrate to explode. Bob would make a couple of passes in his 300 mph jetcar. We had a machine gun contest for largest machine gun, I believe one year someone brought a quad 50. There were also several canons. The preparations took about 3 months and everybody had to take a turn at Bob's house rolling stars. Bob had 8 or 10 highly qualified assistants to help prepare and set all of the explosives and fireworks. It was one of the biggest open secret events in Las Vegas. It was attended by FBI, ATF, BLM and other agencies who just came to have fun and look the other way. Nothing was ever mentioned by any agency about lack of permits or authoization for any reason after the event. There was a 2 story platform which was set up from which the event was narrated and music played and skits offered. There were usually about 60 motor homes lined up along the dry lake bed each with their own fake lawns, tiki torches, ATV's and beautiful women on lounge chairs.

I was in charge of clean-up every year. I would hire day laborers and we would work about 10 to 12 hours a day for several days. We would shovel and sweep up all debris, load in 55 gallon 3 mil bags and haul to Apex, which is the local dump. When we were done, the dry lake on which we held the event was spotless. There was no trace of fireworks or that anybody had ever been there. A BLM ranger would usually visit at my house a few days after and tell me, "John I couldn't even find a cigarette butt."

For pictures and info on the event you can goggle "Desert Blast". In 13 years of "Desert Blasts" not one single accident occured nor was anybody ever injured due to a fireworks mishap. A few people fell over drunk and hit their heads though.

When Bob moved to Sandia Park in 2001 he offered firework supplies and equipment along with his scientific equipment.  The company no longer offers the firework supplies. You can check what he has today at http://www.unitednuclear.com
Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on October 13, 2011, 05:05:53 pm
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/banners/john_lear_med.jpg)  John Lear

Desert Blast, Nevada Desert

The following pictures are from Real Edge magazine who did a story on the last Desert Blast (no. 13) which was held in 1999. This is looking east over the dry lake bed and there are 2 airplanes in a dog fight. The skull and bones was always Bob's signature flag. When it wasn't flying over Desert Blast it was flying over his house:

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This is the 3000 pouinds of ammonium nitrate going up :

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This was one of the most famous pictures of the 13 years of Desert Blast. That is my daughter Alli on the left and Bob's girlfriend Linda on the right. Aquafina bottled water was the preferred drink at Desert Blast.

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Originally posted by NJ Mooch posted on 25-7-2007

This article has more info on another topic that is related to this. The CPSC is trying to make it safer for the public while making it hard for certain companies to operate because of the chance of these materials getting into the wrong hands.

I would think that Bob can look into getting licensed to sell those chemicals and components to make this stuff. I should have stopped by his place when I was in the area this past week.

It was easy back in the day to get ths stuff, but we weren't as aware as we are now. I think that is why the gov't is taking our purchasing power away one step at a time. They made mercury very hard to get, now they are making firework and model rocket chemicals hard to get, I wonder why? Do they want to limit our capabilities to explore?

http://www.rocketryplanet.com/content/view/1124/28/

Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on October 13, 2011, 05:11:16 pm
Note: NJ Mooch is an 'investigator' for the DoD. He even posted at ATS in his profile a direct hint to this, though he is no longer available at this time. The above post is in reference to the other company cited in Bob's court case;  Firefox Enterprises who make motores etc for Model Rocketeers.

In the pursuit of 'safety' for the public the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission is taking away any access to certain chemicals from the public... because we MIGHT make fireworks or worse.

I had an incident in Las Vegas... the police were looking for a gang member with a gun in our neighborhood, many cars and a helicopter. Our dogs barked at a noise in the garage and my wife looked to see... (yeah it ws kinda dumb). When she opened the door a cop shone a flashlight in her face (garage was dark) and said "Police, get back in the house"  He had a dog with him.

He was in the garage because I had left the side door unlocked, but he had no business doing that. Right then was not the time to address that as they were all running around in the dark with guns out looking for the perp.  They found him eventually next door under a tarp.  The next morning I found a Beretta under a bush and turned it in.  Okay that is the background.

A few days later two detectives showed up at my door and asked me about an alledged meth lab in the garage. What had happened was the cop, snooping illegally in my garage (this was before 9/11) saw my mineral assay lab and just assumed it was a meth lab.  To make it short it was straightened out, I got written apologies (they were crawling all over themselves for me not to sue) and they owed me a favor. The cop was fired.

The point is in some states it is ow ILLEGAL to own chemistry equipment. Chemistry sets in science shops now have kitchen chemicals and many chemicals are now illegal to possess in some states.. sulfur is one.  Sulfur is a coomon regent for most school chemistry class projects.  I had a teacher ask at the hardware store my wife worked at if they had sulfur. They didn't but I had a good supply from an old mine site so I hooked him up and donated a lot of my uneeded equipment to him... see he had taken it on himself to teach his classes proper chemistry.  Now it is not yet illegal in Nevada but still difficult to get the supplies

The government is taking away our ability to experiment. Where will the future scientists come from? This should be of concern to all of us
Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on October 13, 2011, 05:13:26 pm
Amateur rocketry may take another hit after loss in Firefox lawsuit
2006 Archived News by Planet News
Friday, December 22, 2006


POCATELLO, Idaho USA — First it was the ride to the launch site that became illegal for experimental (or research) motors.  Now it is the availability of chemicals in which to transport.  A decision handed down in the civil lawsuit against Firefox Enterprises, Inc., brought by the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), will have serious effect on amateur and experimental rocketeers nationwide.

On December 6, 2006, U.S. District Court Chief Judge B. Lynn Winmill issued a ruling that directed Firefox and CPSC to negotiate a mutually acceptable plan for the enforcement of regulations and applicable law which CPSC has the authority to enforce.  The precedent set in this case will affect similar suppliers of the chemicals used in the manufacture of amateur rocket motors.

Firefox has been a source of pyrotechnic chemicals for amateur rocketeers for years, supplying the various oxidizers and fuels necessary to combine in the appropriate percentages in which to create various rocket fuels.  Whereas hobby rocketry enthusiasts are more commonly affected by the governmental oversight of ATF due to the use of commercially manufactured propellant, CPSC's case against Firefox is unique in that none of the chemicals it sells is considered an explosive.

Therein lies the twist: there is a difference between the ATF and the CPSC.  Firefox is not regulated by the ATF.  ATF regulations and the federal Explosives Control Act only apply to the commerce and storage of explosives, of which the ATF publishes a list annually.  Nothing that Firefox sells is found on the List of Explosives.

And, nothing Firefox sells meets the definition of an explosive.  The company merely sells individual chemicals that can be combined to make a chemical composition that meets the definition of an explosive.  Therefore, because Firefox is not in the business of distributing explosives or explosive materials, the ATF does not regulate Firefox.  As such, Firefox does not need an ATF dealer's permit to operate its business.

On the other hand, the CPSC was created by Congress to reduce or eliminate injuries to consumers caused by dangerous and/or hazardous products.  The regulations that CPSC is applying in the Firefox case are defined in three sources:  1) Federal Hazardous Substance Act (FHSA) at 15 U.S.C. 1261 et seq., 2) the Consumer Product Safety Act (CPS Act) at 15 U.S.C. 2051 et seq., and 3) the regulations of the CPSC at 16 C.F.R.  1500 and 1507.

The judge has set a deadline of January 15, 2007 for CPSC and Firefox to reach an agreement on which chemicals and supplies are to be limited in sales to individuals who do not possess an ATF Explosives Manufacturer's Permit.  While it is possible that this deadline could be extended an additional 30 to 90 days, the judge has stated that if the government and Firefox fail to reach an agreement, he will make the decision for them.

The government's case is asking that the following items be restricted in sales:

“Not sell, give away, or otherwise distribute any chlorate compound, magnesium metal, permanganate compound, peroxide compound, zirconium metal, or any chemical listed at 16 C.F.R. § 1507.2 to any recipient who does not possess a valid manufacturing license for explosives issued by the ATF;"

Not sell, give away or otherwise distribute any of the following chemicals for which the particle size is finer than 100 mesh (or particles less than 150 microns in size) to any recipient who does not possess a valid manufacturing license for explosives issued by the ATF: aluminum and aluminum alloys, magnalium metal, magnesium/aluminum alloys, titanium and titanium alloys, or zinc metal;

Not sell, give away or otherwise distribute any of the following chemicals in an amount greater than one pound per year per recipient to any recipient who does not possess a valid manufacturing license for explosives issued by the ATF:  antimony and antimony compounds, benzoate compounds, nitrate compounds, perchlorate compounds, salicylate compounds or sulfur;

Not sell, give away or otherwise distribute any fuse in an amount greater than 25 feet per year per recipient who does not possess a valid manufacturing license for explosives issued by the ATF.”

In addition, the CPSC called for extensive record keeping (photocopies of drivers licenses and, if applicable, ATF licenses for all recipients, as well as detailed invoices maintained for at least seven years) and requires Firefox’s agreement to provide those records to CPSC at any time on demand.

"Oxidizers" as defined includes: ammonium nitrate, potassium chlorate, potassium perchlorate, potassium nitrate, sodium chlorate, sodium perchlorate, sodium nitrate, barium nitrate, strontium nitrate, potassium permanganate.

"Fuels" as defined includes: aluminum, aluminum alloys, magnesium, magnesium-aluminum alloys, antimony sulfide or trisulfide, potassium benzoate, sodium benzoate, sodium salicylate, sulfur, titanium, zinc, zirconium, or zirconium hydride.

The impact of this decision will weigh heavily in the fireworks community, where the vast majority of participants are not holders of federal ATF explosives permits.  Firefox and similar competitors are suppliers of hobby-oriented quantities to hobby-oriented users.  The stifling restrictions being forced upon the fireworks community will mean that companies like Firefox will simply go out of business.

In the rocketry community, it is now obvious why the ATF's position with regard to amateur rocket motor making has appeared at odds with logic: it is perfectly legal for you to mix and cast your own motors as long as they are for your own use and not for resale without an explosives permit.  It is also perfectly legal for you to fire the same motor on your property without an explosives permit.  But it is not legal for you to transport your creation to an approved launch site without an explosives permit.

And now?  Thanks to the CPSC lawsuit and Judge Winmill, after January of 2007, you may not have any sources left to purchase the materials necessary to make your amateur motors.  Unless, of course, you want to become licensed with the federal government as an manufacturer of explosives. 

SOURCE: Rocketryplanet.com (http://www.rocketryplanet.com/content/view/1124/28/)

Original Source: Skylighter.com  (http://www.skylighter.com/skylighter_info_pages/article.asp?Item=90)


Reader comments:

    What kind of... So, does this represent a Liberal Activist Court or a Conservative Activist Court? In all seriousness, this will impact the teaching of chemistry from middle school up, at a time when we are making all sorts of noise about needing better science education and getting more students interested in science careers! I guess we don't need to worry about chemistry teachers getting what they need. Firefox first, Fisher Scientific next. Could this also impact the experimentatino with and production of nanomaterials? We really do need some congressional oversight on this whole issue of what is or is not an explosive. Clearly, the one branch of government has a very narrow view of what explosives are (see also the article on the KNO3-sugar rockets), and another branch is looking for definitions. Write your new representatives! posted by Aphyle on 12-22-2006 09:57 AM

    CPSC ruling. Now the question is "Will we be required to get a manufacturers permit to make our EX motors?" ATF does not require it but it looks like the CPSC will. - Ken posted by ken487 on 12-22-2006 10:27 AM
    After reading the court opinion, I must say that Firefox shot themselves in the foot and deserved to lose this case. The remedy sought by the CPSC is excessive but Firefox has little choice now. - posted by UhClem on 12-22-2006 12:26 PM

    Quote: Now the question is "Will we be required to get a manufacturers permit to make our EX motors?" ATf does not require it but it looks like the CPSC will." Not to "make" the motors, but apparently you will need a manufacturer's permit to purchase the materials to "make" them. I mean, how many EX motors can you make with the permit-free 16oz of oxidizer? The result for ATF is that there is nothing to regulate if you can't purchase the materials to make them. In the fireworks enforcement, CPSC is also looking to regulate purchases of tube longer than 10". What would happen if that were applied to the rocketry community?
Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on October 13, 2011, 05:15:35 pm
Sandia Park Company Owner Tells Story Behind Illegal Fireworks Case

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Bob_Lazar/half.gif) (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Bob_Lazar/half.gif)

http://www.abqjournal.com/news/state/apfireworks07-23-07.htm

Associated Press
Monday, July 23, 2007

Quote
When Bob Lazar decided his scientific supply company should offer fuses, tubes and other "things of a fireworks nature,'' he checked first with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, the FBI, the fire department and building and zoning.

They said everything was fine, so Sandia Park-based United Nuclear Scientific Equipment and Supplies — which consists of Lazar and his wife, Joy White — began selling the items.

They had no idea, Lazar said Monday, about a U.S. Consumer Products Safety Commission rule that prohibits selling items to make fireworks along with information on how to make them. Since United Nuclear's Web site contains information on "how you safely make fireworks,'' that constituted a kit under commission rules, Lazar said.

Lazar said he routinely works with federal agencies because of the nature of the scientific supply business, but he said he never heard from the commission.

The first inkling the couple had of a problem came in 2003 when Lazar and White ended up handcuffed on their front law after an early morning raid by a SWAT team, he said.

"Obviously, these guys thought something else was going on,'' he said.

Scott Wolfson, a spokesman for the Consumer Products Safety Commission in Washington, said the commission investigated, but the raid was conducted by federal law enforcement agents.

While he said he could not address the specific incident, "we know the formula that is used to make highly illegal, highly dangerous fireworks. ... We have had the experience where part of a town has had to be evacuated because of individuals stockpiling chemicals and components used to make illegal fireworks.''

In the case of United Nuclear, nothing further happened until a court hearing last Friday.

U.S. Magistrate Lorenzo Garcia fined the firm $7,500 and placed it on probation for three years. A consent decree limits the amount of fireworks-related chemicals the company can sell; prohibits sales of fuses, tubes and end caps; and requires United Nuclear to destroy remaining components and specified chemicals.

The commission's acting chairwoman, Nancy Nord, last week called the case a victory for consumer safety.

Despite that, Lazar sees the magistrate's decision as a victory for his company because the commission sought $30,000 — a $10,000 fine for each of three times the agency bought the questioned items.

"Our attorney said, 'Get real, these people have never done anything,''' Lazar said.

The commission unnecessarily spent taxpayer money and several years "for something that could have easily been taken care of with a simple phone call or visit, like every other federal agency has done with us,'' he said.

"I remain amazed to this day that that's how this went down,'' he said.

Copyright ©2007 Associated Press. All rights reserved. 

http://www.abqjournal.com/news/state/apfireworks07-23-07.htm
Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on October 13, 2011, 05:18:02 pm
US v. United Nuclear Scientific Supplies, et al.

Consumer Product Safety Commission Case: CLOSED 12/07

Most recent update 7/24/07 (See end of document)

United States v. Robert Lazar, Joy White, and United Nuclear Scientific Supplies, LLC, Civil No. 06-0866 LCS RLP (D. New Mexico)

United States v. United Nuclear Scientific Supplies, LLC, Criminal No. 06-2008 JP (D. New Mexico)

   9/14/06:

    On September 14, 2006, the United States filed suit in federal court in the District of New Mexico against Robert Lazar, Joy White, and United Nuclear Scientific Supplies, LLC. The civil complaint seeks injunctive and other equitable relief against the defendants. It alleges that the defendants violated the Federal Hazardous Substances Act, 15 U.S.C.§ 1263, by introducing and delivering for introduction into interstate commerce components intended to produce fireworks that are banned hazardous substances. Click on the hyperlink to view the Complaint (http://www.usdoj.gov/civil/ocl/cases/Cases/UnitedNuclear/Civil%20Complaint.pdf).

    9/18/06 Update

    On September 18, 2006, the United States filed a criminal Information in federal court in the District of New Mexico against United Nuclear Scientific Supplies, LLC. The Information alleges that the defendant violated the Federal Hazardous Substances Act, 15 U.S.C.§§ 1263(a) and 1264(a), by delivery of banned hazardous substances. Click on the hyperlink to view the Information. (http://www.usdoj.gov/civil/ocl/cases/Cases/UnitedNuclear/Information.pdf)

    9/25/06 Update:

    On September 25, 2006, the Court entered a Consent Decree for Permanent Injunction against Robert Lazar, Joy White, and United Nuclear Scientific Supplies, LLC. The Consent Decree permanently restrains and enjoins the defendants from, among other things, participating in any transaction that involves selling, giving away, holding for sale, or otherwise distributing certain components of fireworks. The Consent Decree resolved the civil complaint. Click on the hyperlink to view the Consent Decree of Permanent Injunction. (http://www.usdoj.gov/civil/ocl/cases/Cases/UnitedNuclear/Consent%20Decree.pdf)

    10/2/06 Update:

    On October 2, 2006, the United States filed a plea agreement in federal court in the District of New Mexico resolving the criminal charges against United Nuclear Scientific Supplies, LLC. Click on the hyperlink to view the Plea Agreement. (http://www.usdoj.gov/civil/ocl/cases/Cases/UnitedNuclear/Pleaagreement.pdf) The sentencing date has not yet been scheduled.

    7/6/07 Update:

    Sentencing is set for Friday, July 20, 2007, at 10:00 am, before Magistrate Judge Lorenzo F. Garcia (Pecos Courtroom) in the Pete V. Domenici U.S. Courthouse, 333 Lomas Blvd. N.W., Albuquerque, NM 87102.

    Update 7/24/07:

    On July 20, 2007, United Nuclear was sentenced to pay a fine of $7,500, and to serve three years of probation. See Consumer Product Safety Commission Press Release (7/20/07). (http://www.usdoj.gov/civil/ocl/cases/Cases/UnitedNuclear/CPSC%20press%20release%202007.pdf)
Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on October 13, 2011, 05:20:49 pm
Ka-Booom!!
Desert Blast


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Bob_Lazar/Bob_Lazar_Jet_Car_01.gif)
Bob's Rocket Car

Lazar and Gene Huff also run Desert Blast, an annual festival for "explodaholics" in the Nevada desert. Starting in 1987 (but only formally named in 1991, inspired by Desert Storm) the festival features home-made explosives, rockets, jet-powered vehicles, and other pyrotechnics, with the intention of emphasizing the fun aspect of physics.

The only thing that separates the men from the boys
is the amount of dynamite in their toys.


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By A.J.S. Rayl
Dec 1994
Wired Magazine (http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/2.12/desert.blast.html)


"All clear and ready." Bob Lazar's voice echoes through several hand-held radios.

A hush falls on the crowd of people gathered on one side of this barren, dry lake bed in the middle of Absolutely Nowhere, Nevada. The sun slides behind the mountains and all eyes train on a smoldering pile way out in the distance. Feathers of gray smoke silently snake their way up into the sky.

"She's goin'!" Jim Tagliani bellows.

"Awe-some!"

"Holy shit!"

Seconds later, a deafening explosion cracks the silence of the desert at dusk. Tiny plumes mushroom into a massive furling cloud of black smoke. Red hot flames seethe at the cloud's core. From the outer edges, minute, strobe-like particles fly out and die down on the parched mud floor.

Thummmmbpff! From a launching tube on another part of the lake crater, a shell soars high up into the air and bursts into an array of magenta and glitter that sparkles up the sky. "Whoooo-hoooo!" Laura Godel is exuberant. "That's beautiful," chimes in Linda Wilson.

Meanwhile, Jim Tagliani has strapped a moaning, flame-throwing static Ramjet to his back and is zipping by the crowd on roller skates. In another part of this parched mud arena, Lew Godel takes his position, belly down, face to the dirt, and hits a launch button. A stealth-black rocket emblazoned with the letters D-E-S-E-R-T B-L-A-S-T lifts off and soars up to Mach 1. It may be soaring still.

There's a time and place for everything in this petrochemical world in which we live. There's a time to reap and a time to sow. A time to take massive amounts of bullshit, and a time to vent it all and party down in a gaseous, dynamite celebration of independence. On this particular evening in May, it's time to vent.

Every year since 1987, on a secret date and at a secret location, a group of pyrotechnics wizards stage an annual outlaw gathering out in the desert outback of Nevada. In 1991, patriotically inspired by Desert Storm, the organizers dubbed the event Desert Blast. The group's unwritten code: Bigger and Better Fun through Chemistry and Physics.

"Desert Blast is a celebration of the things an American should be able to do," explains one veteran, who requested anonymity. "And it's about forgetting and having fun, kind of like, Let's go be a kid again."

"Yeah," echoes another attendee, "and not have anyone tell you to shut up!"

Humbly billed as "the largest outlaw fireworks show in the West," Desert Blast is probably the largest outlaw fireworks show in the world. The actual detonation date changes from year to year, as does the location. It's an exclusive affair. As the video invites proclaim: "If you don't know where it is, you're not invited." But for those who are honored with an invitation or those who know somebody who knows somebody who has directions, Desert Blast - or DB, as regulars call it - is the party to end all parties, a party that gives you a place to rant and something to really rave about. In essence it's a night of contained anarchy. The Woodstock of Pyrotechnics.

Desert Blast is the brainchild of Bob Lazar - by day a freelance scientist and businessman - and Jim Tagliani, who pays the bills by installing and programming computers for Indian bingo parlors. As one DB adage goes: Bob builds it; Jim tries it out.

For Lazar, the flame for fireworks was kindled during his youth on Long Island, New York. He spent his summers hanging around several local families who made professional fireworks. "Because I was young, they wouldn't let me touch anything flammable," he remembers. "But I would help tie strings and stuff." Years later, Lazar decided to figure it out for himself.

Lazar's affinity for things pyro slept, latent for nearly two decades of school and work, but in the early '80s, he hooked up with Tagliani, a natural-born daredevil and neighbor in Woodland Hills, California. It was an instant affinity: both were blinded by science. Lazar was working at Fairchild Xincom, he says, a now-defunct electronics firm, when he recommended Tagliani for a technician position there, and the friendship grew. Later, driving through LA one day, the two passed an acquaintance waving a pyrotechnics device. The guy invited them to a gathering of motorcycle freaks being held in a dry lake bed out near El Mirage, California. There, says Lazar, biker pyrotechnicians hosted an explosive fire fest, until their fun was eventually quashed by Bureau of Land Management officers.

According to Lazar's account, he later moved on to Los Alamos National Laboratories in New Mexico, but like many a bomb-crazed scientist, he felt stifled there. So in 1985, he headed for Las Vegas, Nevada. Not long after, Tagliani joined him in the City of Sin. The fireworks flame re-ignited in Lazar and Tagliani, and so they decided to uncover the secrets of pyrotechnics, and put one of Nevada's numerous dry lake beds to use. Their first two desert shows were small, drawing 50 to 75 friends. Lazar personally manufactured all of the fireworks.

But as the two attempted to outdo their work each successive year, planning and executing their private parties became a time-consuming task. In 1988, Lazar enlisted a troop of capable friends. United by chemistry, physics, and electronics, they came from all walks of life and all kinds of day jobs. NASA controllers and electronics specialists. Computer programmers and technicians. Propulsion systems experts and car mechanics. Even real estate appraisers and contractors. Together, they formed the core creation team of Desert Blast.

It takes at least three months and close to US$6,000 to manufacture all of the festive accouterments for the one-night show. "It really is a team effort," says Lazar. "And now there are pyrotechnics conventions that we attend." During the year, the pyro-cohorts meet in their off-hours in a nondescript, concrete reinforced building on private land well outside the city limits of Las Vegas. There, they mix chemicals, roll stars, build rockets, design Sky Cams, and do whatever else seems appropriate and necessary.

As the time nears each year, Linda (aka Crouton) Wilson, Lazar's girlfriend of four years, serves as Desert Blast's assistant coordinator. Laura Godel helps Lazar finesse the electronic devices, while her husband, Lew Godel joins Lazar in the creation and supervision of all rocketry. Dan Stegemann serves as general device assembler, while Shelly Ball, Tagliani's girlfriend, manufactures Teddy, the sacrificial bear whose destruction marks the event's climax.

Word about Desert Blast spread quickly. By 1990, Lazar and Tagliani had learned one thing: if you launch it, fire it, or blow it up, they will come. Hundreds of uninvited spectators appeared from far and wide to witness the show. In 1992, the assemblage swelled to more than 450 people. "And sometimes they'd review the show; give us shit if something wasn't exactly perfect," recalls Gene Huff, who appraises real estate when he's not mixing chemicals and rolling stars.

"It was starting to get out of hand," Lazar sighs.

Lazar's notoriety in the UFO underground no doubt had a lot to do with that. In March 1989, Lazar, fearing for his life, publicly claimed, on KLAS-TV, the Las Vegas CBS affiliate, that he had just been released from a top-secret program, Project Galileo, in which he helped back-engineer the propulsion system of one of nine extraterrestrial craft being stored on the Nellis Gunnery and Bombing Range in Nevada. Overwhelmed with requests for interviews, which he "loathes," plagued with "tons of mail," and adamant about not joining the "crazies" on the UFO or talk-show circuit, Lazar quelled the deluge by producing, with Huff, a videotape about his alleged experience, something that has made him a veritable icon in the UFO haunts of cyberspace.

But that is another story. Commandment Number One at Desert Blast: Thou shalt not talk of UFOs. Nevertheless, "Excerpts From The Government Bible" (otherwise known as the Lazar Tape) has made Lazar a popular guy and someone a whole lot of people want to hang with.

For the last two years, Lazar has diligently faxed out wrong directions and dates to lose a few of the uninvited guests and general pains in the ass, not to mention unwanted law-enforcement types. Desert Blast does not exactly conform to federal regulations.

"Actually, while we were out testing some shells one day, a cop did show up," says Lazar. "He saw what we were doing and just said, 'Cool. Mind if I watch?'"

On Saturday, May 21, the Desert Blast countdown digital clock ticks down to 0:00 at the secret rendezvous location, and final loading begins. Everything has already been packed for transport: More than 400 shells; a single display cart of 100 2 1/2-inch star shells and reports; the giant, double-pinwheel display; bunches of small black-powder rockets with titanium and reports; strobe rockets; various sizes of salutes (including several M-800s); six stealth-black rockets, complete with nose cones and tails; four large barrels of magnesium; 20 gallons of fuel for the gas bombs; propane torches; launching tubes; boxes of extra fuse and wiring; five weather balloons; hardware; a viewing tower made from steel scaffolding; a sound system; boxes of Day-Glo Cyalume sticks and rope; coolers packed with food and water; cameras; and various other items. At around 2:30 p.m., a caravan of some 20 cars, trucks, trailers, and recreational vehicles leaves the highway and begins winding its way through desert terrain down an unmarked dirt road and onto this year's chosen dry lake bed. There, they stagger into a parking line that stretches out along one side, and everyone begins to set up camp.

At center stage, on the lake crater, the first mortar is launched. It soars more than 800 feet into the sky. As it bursts, an American flag on a tiny parachute patriotically unfurls and flaps across the desert on the air currents. DB VIII has begun.

At around 4:30 p.m., Lazar fuels up the Jetcar, dons his fire-retardant jacket and crash helmet, and climbs in. The Jetcar, like your basic dragsters, is comprised of a chromoly steel frame. It's about 32-feet long and its jet engine - originally designed for the Navy's first supersonic fighter - makes the car look not so much futuristic as absurd. A 30-foot flame shoots out the back and the shrill, decibel-defying noise makes you feel as if you've been stranded out on an Air Force tarmac facing the wrong direction. As he rolls in for a pit stop, the afterburner flame swells and shoots out. "Hey! He's on fire!" shouts an uninitiated spectator.

Not to worry. Onto bigger things. It's SuperBomb time. Materials are placed, and the announcement is made. Within seconds, another deafening explosion shatters the earth, this one erupting into an ominous, deep-black, almost-mushroom cloud, and has the crowd on its feet, cheering maniacally. Over on the highway, several miles away, traffic has stopped, and spectators watch in a state of awe or disbelief. Maybe they think they're watching some sort of weird military experiment. But the Desert Blast participants aren't self-conscious. "There is just nothing more exciting than totally blowing something up - and then feeling the shock wave go through you," says Farhat. "You can just stand and watch ... and you feel like you've screamed. It's weird. Really weird. But it feels so good."

Out on the rocket pad, Lazar and Lew (aka The Viking) Godel are preparing the test launch. Godel is the sort who enjoys living wildly. "This is a unique guy," Lazar explains, as Godel hunkers down on the ground near the 5-foot-tall stealth-black rocket that stands majestically against the backdrop of the desert. "He killed a deer once, and then spread the blood all over himself, or whatever it is the Vikings do. Then he took the heart out and ate it."

As night falls, an intermittent stream of cars makes its way down the unmarked road to witness the show, and soon onlookers drape themselves in Day-Glo. It's time for the day's peak, the ultimate fireworks display.

Out at the launching area, youthful newcomer, Jeff Carbary, assumes the task of overseeing the mortars and the main fireworks begin. Before launch, Carbary details the make of each shell for the benefit of the pyro connoisseurs, the gathered crowd of Those Fascinated by Fire. One after another, the fireworks burst in full radiance against the sky, and the audience murmurs its appreciation in hushed and almost reverent ooohhhs and aaahhhs.

Finally, it's time to blow up Teddy, a tradition at Desert Blast. Teddy originally came from Tagliani's home Halloween yard art. He and Ball initially decided to take Teddy to DB as a sort of mascot. "At first, we used to let him just hang around," recalls Shelly Ball. "But, we needed a goal - something to destroy, and we realized, 'Hey, we can shoot Teddy.'" So, Teddy quickly became a target, replacing the Saddam Hussein paper targets on the shooting range. "We'd put beer bottles or Coke cans in his pockets; then we graduated to M-80s, then M-800s," says Ball. "It was a challenge to see who could shoot his pockets first. Ultimately, we'd blow his arms off, then maybe a leg or two. But Teddy was still left, more or less."

The next year, they decided instead to just put Teddy on a Coors Party Ball gas bomb and blow him to bits. That approach, or a similar concept, has stuck.

As the sun rises over the mountains, it's cleanup time for Lazar and Tagliani and the rest of the core DB team. They rise, scouring the desert for any remaining debris, bagging it for disposal. All the escaped dirt is shoveled back into the holes, and the dry lake bed is restored to its original condition. By 10 a.m., all tents have been dismantled and all waste discreetly stored in the back of trucks or car trunks. There are virtually no signs that anything unusual took place here - no signs that just hours before, nearly 200 people had gathered for a night of living dangerously. As the sun begins to bake the valley, the DB caravan heads out, back to civilization for another year.

A.J.S. Rayl (ajsrayl@aol.com) is currently finishing work on a CD-ROM about the search for extraterrestrial intelligence for The Voyager Company. She has also written for Omni, People, and Rolling Stone.

Copyright © 1993-2004 The Condé Nast Publications Inc. All rights reserved.

Copyright © 1994-2003 Wired Digital, Inc. All rights reserved.

SOURCE: Wired Magazine (http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/2.12/desert.blast.html)
Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on October 13, 2011, 05:22:31 pm
Desert Blast

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Bob Lazar on motorcycle at event

Lazar in jet car (72K) Lazar, it turns out, is alive and well and living in Las Vegas (far from any buffet, however, which seems to defeat the purpose). Every year, Lazar and his friends put on a top secret, invitation-only fireworks show in the desert. ("If you don't know where it is, you're not invited.") Whatever bad you can say about Lazar, he does make good fire. He and his crew have been blowing things up since long before his "S-4" claims. This year, for some unfathomable reason, Psychospy got an invitation. We were sworn to secrecy about time, place and explosive yields and ordered not to discuss UFOs at the event. This was a serious endeavor to make things go "Boom," and we had to obey the rules. We were allowed one guest, so naturally we invited Jarod.

A previous Desert Blast was reported in the Dec. 1994 issue of Wired Magazine [article with photos]. This year was a more subdued event, however, with everyone on edge since McVeigh and company in Oklahoma City gave homemade explosives a bad name. This year, there was no "Big Bomb," which we understand is usually the equivalent of a Ryder truck packed with fertilizer. There were only lessor bombs, fireworks and displays of various jet-propelled contraptions. Lazar cranked up his jet car and took it for a spin on the lake bed. A potentially faster rocket car was fired up in a static display; this missile-shaped vehicle has no wheels, only runners, because the owners hope to break the land speed record--on ice. There were many miscellaneous explosions all through the night and into the morning. The fireworks were top-rate, and Psychospy helped release a glowing, helium-filled "UFO" into the sky, which we sincerely hope caused a rash of sightings downwind.

Desert Blast gave us an opportunity to introduce Jarod to Lazar for the first time (or so they claim). Nothing of consequence was discussed, but the meeting still struck us as ironic, especially if you think Lazar has lied. It is like a story from The Twilight Zone: A writer invents a fictional character and writes a novel about him, which, to sell it to a publisher, he passes off as a real account. Then one day the doorbell rings, and that character, in the flesh, walks in the door.

There are numerous other possible storylines, of course. Lazar and Jarod could both be employed by the same sinister intelligence agency bent on spreading disinformation. Alternatively, maybe Lazar hired Jarod to "confirm" his story and give his movie deal a boost. Every explanation is fascinating in itself and deserves a novel of its own.

SOURCE: The Groom Lake Desert Rat (http://www.ufomind.com/area51/desertrat/1995/dr27/#blast)
Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on October 13, 2011, 05:33:40 pm
Zeta Reticuli Aliens: Robert Lazar

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Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on October 13, 2011, 05:44:49 pm
Area 51 Revisited Part 1 - Bob Lazar at C2C 15th Nov 2009

George Knapp interviews Bob Lazar, Gene Huff and John Lear on Coast to Coast

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Bob Publicly Apologizes to John about the water on the Moon

Bob explains his position... must listen to this one..

Bob confirms that the Bob Lazar's posting on facebook are NOT HIM, but imposters. He doesn't post on ANY social networks


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Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on October 18, 2011, 01:52:59 am
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Bob Lazar stated that the “Sport Model” Flying Disc amplified the “Strong Nuclear Force” of Element 115 (UnUnPentium or UUP) to generate the gravity field for “Space-Time Compression.”  Bob also stated that the U.S. Government had 500 pounds of Element 115 in their possession.  The raw Element 115 was given to the U.S. Goverment at S4 by the Reticulan EBEs in the form of discs.  The scientists at S4 sent the Element 115 discs through Groom Lake to Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico, to be milled for use in the Anti-Matter Reactor.  The Los Alamos personnel were told it was a new form of armor.  They simply followed orders, milled it in accordance with the following steps, and sent it back to Groom Lake.  It was during this process that some of the Element 115 turned up missing.  As you’ll see below, the machining process to form the Element 115 wedge produces a tremendous amount of waste.

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This latest scientific breakthrough, however, provides significant credibility to Bob Lazar’s claims rather than discrediting his claims.  Bob Lazar’s Element 115 discs used to make the wedge for the “Sport Model” Flying Disc Anti-Matter Reactor would have to have been the isotope of Element 115 containing the magic number of 184 neutrons, therefore, having an atomic mass of 299.  The nuclear configuration of this isotope of Element 115 would be identical to the nuclear configuration of the only known stable isotope of Element 83, Bismuth, 83Bi209, containing the magic number of 126 neutrons, except that the Element 115 isotope would have one more energy level completely filled with protons and neutrons.  82 protons and 114 protons are magic numbers for protons because 82 protons completely fill 6 proton energy levels and 114 protons completely fill 7 proton energy levels.  The 83rd proton for Bismuth is a lone proton in the 7th proton energy level and the 115th proton for Element 115 is the lone proton in the 8th proton energy level.  126 neutrons completely fill 7 neutron energy levels and 184 neutrons completely fill 8 neutron energy levels.  Refer to the Nucleon Energy Level Table for Bismuth and Element 115, below, for the nuclear configurations of Bismuth and Element 115.  This stable isotope of Bismuth, Element 83, has very unique gravitational characteristics.  Refer to the Henry William Wallace Patent:  U.S. Patent 3,626,605, “Method and Apparatus for Generating a Secondary Gravitational Force Field.”

Nucleon Energy Levels for Bismuth and Element 115 (http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Element_115.htm#Table)

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Kenneth F. Wright

GRAVITY WARP DRIVE (http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/index.htm)

Books by Ken Wright

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Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on October 18, 2011, 01:53:53 am
MAXIMUM DISTORTION

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As the intensity of the gravitational field around the disc increases, the distortion of space/time around the disc also increases. If you could see the space/time distortion, which we can't, this is how it would look.

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    As the gravitational field from the amplifiers becomes more intense, the form of the space/time around the disc not only bends upward, but at maximum distortion, actually folds over into almost a heart shape around the top of the disc.

    This space/time distortion is taking place 360 degrees around the disc, creating a volume of distortion, so if you were looking at the disc from the top, the space/time distortion would be in the shape of a donut as it enclosed the disc.

    When the gravitational field around the disc is so intense that the space/time around the disc achieves maximum distortion, the disc can't be seen from any vantage point and, for all practical purposes, is invisible.  All you would se would be the sky around it.

    At various angles prior to the disc achieving maximum distortion, the disc could be visible from one vantage point and not another.  All you could see would be the environment around it. This is similar to being able to see stars that are behind the sun, due to the intense gravity of the sun bending the light path between the star and earth.

    Essentially, this creates a sort of space-time bubble around the craft. "Maximum distortion" is not necessary for standard flight over the surface of a planet. Except in the case of rapid "streaks" across the sky. Maximum distortion is essential for this mode of travel. The typical fire light comet in the night sky is not the craft, but rather the air around the craft ionizing and trailing it.

 ~ Bob Lazar

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Bob Lazar's Website (Still Closed) (http://www.boblazar.com/)

Bob's Mirror Site (http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/maximum.html)
Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on October 20, 2011, 08:17:07 pm
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/banners/john_lear_med.jpg)  John Lear

Lazar Regression Transcribed August 10, 1989

Here is Bob's second regression which I taped and transcribed. I will post 2 pages a day:

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Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on October 20, 2011, 08:21:19 pm
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Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: A51Watcher on November 16, 2011, 10:14:53 pm
Gene Huff's Response to "Lazar Theory #1"


Recently, the following post was made by Glenn Campbell, known to most of you as "Goober". A recent assassination of Goober by an anonymous person on the Internet has been attributed to me and has been alleged to be my response to this recent posting. That is not true and I'll go into that in another post. However, here is my actual response to the post by Goober.

I don't think I necessarily need to respond to every line so I'll just cut in and out to the important points. What everyone must realize is that posts like this are nothing new to the net. This is simply one of those fishing trips in which someone posts lies and then waits for someone to respond with the actual, true, information so they can then adjust their info and use it in a book or an article they intend to write down the road.

If you'll notice, Goober says this is "one" possible scenario, not "the" scenario, meaning there are more to come. I have no intention of playing that game, but I'll respond to this one so you can see how the fishing trip works. Keep it in mind as this won't happen again. The only reason Goober even started this attack is because the kids who run the Tri-Dot web page have been implying that they're going to post something about Goober being a paid government liar. I don't think he is that.

"As a "librarian" for the UFO field (through the Ufomind website), it is not my job to make conclusions."

Notice he starts out with a hallucination.

"Instead I simply collect the relevant documents and let others draw conclusions from them. I can, however, propose theories and draw attention to specific earthly facts that are beyond doubt."

Keep this statement in mind as we proceed. There are no documents even remotely involved here.

"his (Lazar's) story isn't worth my own time to further investigate."

If Lazar's story isn't worth the time to further investigate, what is Goober doing writing the first of a series of articles about it? The real reason is that Lazar is the hottest topic in ufology and the most highly sought ufological interview in the world. Goober has tried to stop that with deception but, fortunately for those seeking the truth, no one listens. He wants to divert attention from himself at this moment, for reasons you all know. Generally, he wants the attention that is Lazar's and he perpetually covets that notoriety.

"Lazar made up the story on his own based on his own significant technical knowledge, his peripheral work with a contractor on the Nellis Range and the prior Area 51 alien claims of John Lear (aliens eating humans in a vast underground base), which Lazar "cleaned up" and made more plausible."

Notice that in this scenario, Lazar has significant technical knowledge and had peripheral work with a contractor on the Nellis Range. Quite interesting for a guy with no education and no credentials as Goober has alleged in the past.

"According to this theory, Area "S-4" is a corruption of "Site 4", a real Top Secret radar installation northwest of Area 51 (not south at Papoose Lake). It was a place that no one could talk about in 1989 because purloined Soviet radar were tested there. Lazar has probably never been to Site 4, but he could have heard the name."

Please! I was the first one to audibilize (actually type) the fact that there was more than one S4 on the Nellis Range and that it was known as Site 4, not S4, and Glenn Campbell knows that. Now I can't say that neither Tom Mahood nor Glenn Campbell had ever heard this as I can't know what goes on in their empty little heads, but if Goober honestly did not know this, then you'll have to check with Mahood. I don't really even recall if it was on Usenet or in email, but if you cancheck with Mahood and catch him on one of those rare occasions he tells the truth, I'm sure he'll confirm that this is true. Campbell is acting as though Site 4 is a name Lazar may have heard of. Site 4 is a place Goober may have heard of, from me. I'll take a polygraph if necessary to prove that is true. Bob Lazar, and all of his many friends knew of Site 4 a half decade before Goober escaped out here to Nevada. If Lazar had "corrupted" Site 4 into S4, don't you think that people like myself, Joe Vaninetti, (A friend of Lazar's who worked with Lazar at Los Alamos and who also did work for Los Alamos out here at Yucca Flats on the Nevada Test Site), and Jim Tagliani, (a friend of Lazar's who worked out at the Tonopah Test Range when the Stealth Fighters were there) would have noticed? If this was a giant conspiracy and a big lie, wouldn't we have told Bob to change the S4 name because of that? This is ludicrous, even for Goober.

"What was Lazar's motivation? Money."

Bob Lazar's father is a wealthy Los Angeles businessman and Bob has had a standing offer to work for/with him in California anytime he wants, and at a helluva (six figure) salary. Lazar stayed with science because it's his love and that devotion resulted in him being part of the ET disc back engineering team.

"Under Theory #1, Lazar cooked up the story to obtain funding from Las Vegas philanthropist Robert Bigelow, who was known to sponsor far-out projects. (Bigelow is still investing millions in parapsychology and UFO research but is intensely secretive about his activities.)"

Lie. I defy any of you to name one project that Bob Bigelow was known to have funded prior to Bob Lazar going public. What's that I hear, silence? Goober is trying to twist the facts here. Bigelow was only known post Lazar. Bigelow might have been known in real estate development circles back then, but not in ufology. Bob Bigelow first met Bob Lazar after he saw George Knapp's UFOs, The Best Evidence on television. He saw that I was a real estate appraiser and called my office. He explained that he was simply a money man and wanted to get involved with any sort of research. Ultimately we met with him and things proceeded from there. It is true that Bigelow has since invested big bucks in a wide range of projects. If there were any prior to Lazar, don't you think Campbell would have mentioned them? There simply weren't any and Campbell knows that. If Bigelow was unknown, and he was unknown, how would Lazar have known about him? This is beneath even Goober. I can take a polygraph lest anyone think I'm not truthful about Bigelow.

"In fact, Bigelow did set up a Nevada corporation for Lazar, the Zeta Reticuli 2 Corp., shortly after Lazar went public. It was apparently created to fund Lazar's research into "Element 115," which Lazar initially claimed he had samples of. (The government has since "taken them back."

And exactly how was it "apparently" to fund research into element 115? Have any of you seen Campbell provide any evidence of this? Where's all of this paperwork he directed your attention to earlier in this article? I'll show you some. Since MaWoody and Goober (Mahood and Campbell)seem to think that this is so intriguing, I'm going to do those of you on the net a favor. I'm going to actually post, with Bob Lazar's permission, the actual patent application from that research. It was not for particle beam weapons like Mahood alleges, it was not for 115 research like Campbell alleges. Just wait, and you can take a look for yourselves. I'll provide the paperwork to reality, not Campbell. He talks a good game, but I'll produce. There's a difference. However, it makes this fishing trip more successful for him, but I'll do it for those interested in the truth.

"While the existence of the corporation is a matter of public record, we do not know how much Bigelow spent. We do know that the project did not last long, and that Bigelow felt somehow burned by Lazar (according to sources who have known Bigelow)."

Yes, of course, unknown sources who have known Bigelow. How convenient. Don't these sources still know Bigelow or did they burn him, too? Well here's a source who witnessed the whole thing and I am known and I know Lazar and Bigelow. The actual story of how things broke down would be so humiliating to Bigelow that I won't waste it on the net, I'll save it for the book. However, Bigelow more or less just rented the warehouse space as most of the equipment moved there was Lazar's. Bigelow did buy 2 computers and a YAG rod, (Yttrium, Aluminum, Garnet) for a laser, but that was about it. Lazar was not given any large chunks of money but was paid a very modest salary for which Bigelow was very demanding. Bigelow's background is in construction and Real Estate development, (He was actually an appraiser a long time ago) and he's used to timetables being kept, etc. Research and Development does not always go that smooth and Mr. Bigs gets easily frustrated when he doesn't get his way. Stanton Friedman agrees with that after having associated with Bigelow.

"Under this theory, Lear, Gene Huff, George Knapp and other supporters were patsies, not co-conspirators. They were tools used by Lazar in pursuit of Bigelow, and later they were his defenders and his protection against having to answer too many questions."

Lazar has not only answered "too many questions" but submitted to two different polygraph sessions by two different polygraphers, gave former NASA robotics expert Bob Oechsler, written, notorized permission for Oechsler to check out Lazar's IRS and Social Security records to prove that he was paid by the Navy, etc. Most of this was right after Lazar went public and George Knapp didn't know Lazar from Adam. The only patsies here are those who read Goober's gibberish and accumulate a knowledge base of nonsense. Not too mention that no one had ever heard of Bigelow.

By the way, Oechsler found out that Lazar's IRS and FICA files were classified. Quite unusual for a guy who is being accused of making up a UFO story, don't you think? Oechsler also found out that the E6722MAJ on Lazar's W-2 (that's from memory so I might have misstated a letter or number there) meant that this code meant Department of Energy, Kirtland Air Force Base, and the point of contact was MAJ, (yes, we're back to the Majestic codes). This was eight years ago and Lazar has answered more questions than anyone in ufology, period.

"The government itself was taken by surprise by Lazar's claims. It may have indeed conducted its own investigation to see if any classified information was release (since Lazar did have a security clearance). Real FBI agents like "Mike Thigpin" could have visited Lazar. Recall that in 1989, the Cold War was not yet over, and secrecy at Area 51 was still extreme."

Really? And how does Goober know Lazar had a security clearance? Where's the paper trail? He heard me, Knapp, or maybe even Lazar himself say that and has not checked out or verified one thing. I point this out to simply show that Goober hasn't substantiated anything positive or negative about Lazar. The man's name was Mike Thigpen, not Thigpin, and he was an OFI agent, not an FBI agent. The OFI is a pseudo-secret organization that is involved in background checks of people who get high clearances at the Nevada Test Site, Nellis Test Range (and elsewhere I presume). They have a local Las Vegas office, though they're not listed in the phone book, and are based out of the Office of Personnel Management back in Pennsylvania. Sorry to throw so many facts into Goober's stupid little story.

"Lazar, however, has never been to Area 51. I can say this with confidence after talking to people who have. While no one can say whether Lazar has ever been to Papoose Lake, which is still a closed area, the claim that he had flew to Area 51 enroute to Papoose should have been easily provable. Lazar should be able to describe innocuous details of the place, like what the cafeteria or plane arrival area looked like. Lazar has never done this, even though he supposedly revealed much bigger secrets."

What?! Not only did Lazar identify where the cafeteria was, he identified where the vending machines and television(s) in the cafeteria were. Do you think George Knapp honestly never asked these questions or tried to double check or verify this information? Goober must be crazy.

However, Bob Lazar is no authority on Area 51 as he didn't work there. The only time he went to the cafeteria was when he was taken there to wait on his first night out there, the night they made all of the security threats to him. After that, Lazar was simply transferred to the bus with the blacked out windows and taken down to S4. In fact, he identified that he was at Papoose by using estimated speed, the time on his watch, and direction, meaning the glow of the setting sun over the mountains to the west, to figure out that he was at Papoose. The base was only known as S4, they didn't call it Papoose. Of course the actual determining factor of his assessment of the location of S4 was by the size of the dry lake bed outside of the hangars.

George Knapp was a news anchor at the KLAS, the Las Vegas CBS affiliate, at this point in time and had, and has, many great contacts with people who have worked at A-51 in varying capacities from executives to laborers. Questioning Lazar about area 51 was one of the first things he did. Goober could have asked and found this out, presuming he doesn't actually know it, and I would find that hard to believe, but he did not ask. He lies and thus the fishing trip. Is everybody having fun? The bottom line is, not fishing line, that Lazar was usually at area51 when it was dusk or dark and he is by no stretch of the imagination an authority on where all of the buildings and hangars are. However, he did identify the obvious, years ago and to say that he has not is a complete bullshit story and Campbell knows that.

"Some former Area 51 workers have seen so little of their workplace that they cannot completely dismiss the Lazar claims, but they do know the cafeteria. One former Area 51 worker who has queried Lazar on these questions regards him as evasive. There is no doubt in his mind that Lazar is a fraud."

Right. Another anonymous, alleged, informant who has questioned Lazar. What's his name? What's wrong with letting it be known that he questioned Lazar, especially if Lazar gave the wrong answer? I can answer that. This informant doesn't exist. There is no doubt in this alleged anonymous person's mind that Lazar is a fraud. How convenient. He's unknown to everyone else, but Goober knows him and he agrees with Goober! What a surprise! Did he submit to a polygraph? Lazar did. Lazar correctly answered the area51 questions and this has been confirmed. People who read Goober seem to think that Lazar walks around answering test questions for complete strangers. Would any of you do that? Without knowing who they were or why they wanted to talk to you? Of course not, but you exist in reality and the informant and these alleged questions do not.

"The "Element 115" claim could have come from contemporary articles on exotic elements, such as one in Scientific American in May 1989. Like Papoose Lake, Lazar's claims about Element 115 can not be disproven because no one has been there."

Wait a minute. Lazar told me, Lear, Vaninetti, Tagliani, their wives and all of their girlfriends and the rest of our social circle about 115 long before May of 1989. It doesn't wash Goob.

"I don't mean "fraud" in any negative sense, however."

Of course not. Why would anyone think that Goober lying and erroneously calling Lazar a fraud would be negative?!:) What he means is that if he keeps lying and twisting what little he knows, you might not keep buying his Lazar products.

"For one thing he made Area 51 the most popular secret base in the world."

Wow! For the first time ever, Goober admits that Lazar made area51 famous, not him! Maybe Goober takes short vacations into reality after all.

"In a sense, Lazar's story is a lot deeper than he is."

Of course, Goober doesn't know Bob Lazar at all and has no idea how deep or shallow he might be. He'd like you to think he's providing insight, instead of bullshit.

"Fraud thrives in conditions of secrecy, like that found at Area 51 or in the Bigelow organization."

Well, we all know Goober's a fraud and he's the type that thrives via area 51, but maybe he could give us examples of how fraud thrives in the Bigelow organization. No, on second thought, he can't think that fast. He already told us he doesn't know anything about Bigelow. Bigelow isn't all that secretive, but he only talks to intellectuals and players, not the riff-raff like Goober.

"It also thrives where people want to believe something really badly. Clever con men are opportunists who exploit self-deceptions that already exist. They exploit existing beliefs and real circumstances to serve their own needs, and they tell the believers exactly what they want to hear."

You mean like a con man who moves from Boston to the Nevada desert to exploit literally everyone and everything? This is the absolute most explicit description of Glenn Campbell/Goober that I've ever read. Here he is, flaunting it in your faces while laughing at you behind your backs and you can't see it.

"(I should note, however, that my own interest in the Lazar story brought me to Nevada in 1992 and lead me to my current career as a "UFO webmaster." Lazar inspired me with his stick-to-the-facts demeanor in interviews, which I still find impressive and have tried to emulate. As an unofficial spokesman for Area 51, I have probably done things that have given Lazar more credibility than he deserves, like not dismissing on camera, but I have no regrets about leaving the door open. True or false, I feel the Lazar story has enriched my life in many interesting ways.)"

Yes, of course. The reason Lazar has credibility is because an unknown like Campbell doesn't dismiss Lazar on camera. Thanks Goob! You're so kind. Maybe Lazar will send you a thank you note. Those of you reading this should keep Campbell's above paragraph in mind when you read my commentary in another post about the recent assassination of Goober on the Internet. Remember, he moved here because of Lazar and tries to emulate Lazar and says Lazar has enriched his life. How many of you can say something that is that sad and simultaneously that sick and keep a straight face?:) None of you, I hope.

"I am not saying that anyone can "prove" Theory #1. There will always be ways for believers to believe. But of the theories currently available, this is the one that best fits the facts."

Maybe Goober could summarize those facts for us as I haven't seen any. Lazar has a wealthy father, Bigelow was unknown, Lazar identified area 51, or what he saw of it which included the cafeteria, precisely, etc.

The only facts in this post are from me.

"This theory raises logical questions that any journalist could ask Lazar, like: "When you got off the plane at Area 51, what did you see?" But no unbiased journalist has gotten close to Lazar in years."

Unbiased is the key word here. You see for Goober to be the authority George Knapp would have to be to close to Lazar to detach and ask the tough questions. Knapp did that, almost a decade ago, and Lazar passed with flying colors. Lazar did an interview, in Mike Lindemann's book, where another physicist who worked at the Stanford Linear accelerator was present. Lazar met, an talked at length, with Dr. Edgar Mitchell, astronaut and sixth man on the moon with a Ph.D. in aeronautics and astronautics. Lazar took a polygraph. Lazar gave Oechsler permission to check his records. Lazar has met with numerous people throughout the years, professionals and amateurs, and he's answered all of the tough questions, tougher than Goober can think of.

"Lazar and his story may still have a lot to teach us about the UFO field, but it isn't the lesson Lazar intended."

Wrong. It is specifically the lesson that Lazar intended and Goober has no insight as to what that is. The lesson is that in the late 1980s the U.S. government was back engineering ET craft at a base known as S4 in south central Nevada, a half decade +or- before Goober arrived.

As you can see Goober Campbell provided no paperwork, no names, and only alleged facts based on things he can't tell you. Well, take a look at the post named "lazar/Bigelow Patent" or something to that effect and see the patent filed by Bigelow and Lazar. It'll be coming right after I post this.

As the hallucinating, self professed UFO librarian and unofficial spokesperson for Area 51, he has said nothing and offered nothing. See my "Trials and Tribulations of Goober" post for my commentary on his recent net/legal problems.

Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: A51Watcher on November 19, 2011, 09:09:32 pm

The following excerpt from the darkgovernment website provides some interesting details -



"Face it, Bob Lazar is the main reason the public is aware of Goom Lake (and to a lesser extent, Papoose Lake) today. Whether his tale is true or not, when he went public in 1989, he ignited a firestorm of interest in Area 51 which burns to this day. As most of you already know, Lazar described how he was flown from Las Vegas to Groom Lake, then taken on a bus with blacked out side windows to a facility he determined was known as S-4.


Now when Lazar arrived at S-4, he wasn't warmly greeted with a "Howdy Bob, this here underground facility is under the Papoose Mountains and that there dry lake over there is Papoose Lake." He was simply driven in the bus for about 30 minutes and there he was. At some later date, he, Gene Huff, and John Lear got together and worked out where it must have been, based upon various clues Lazar noted during the trip. From what they deduced, S-4 would have to be on the east side of Papoose Lake, where the Papoose Mountains slope down to meet it. Since the short flight test of the one disc he witnessed took place on the dry lake bed, the edge of the dry lake must have been very close to the installation.


Lazar described the facility to Timothy Good as being built into the base of the Papoose Range, with 9 hangar doors sloped at about a 60 degree angle. He said the doors had a sand-like texture coating to them, and Gene Huff later said the doors were rollup type doors. There were 9 of the hangar bays in all.


Per Lazar, the disc he described as the "Sport Model" had an approximate diameter of 52'. Allowing for adequate work clearance, it's reasonable to assume a hangar bay would be at least 70' wide. So for 9 bays, the overall length of the facility would have to be at least 630', maybe more.


On the "Billy Goodman Happening" radio show, Lazar described the dirt road the bus took to S-4 as a "good dirt road." When a caller asked him if the facility was underground, he replied, "No, it's not underground; it's just butt up against the side of a little mountain, a little hill kind of, but it's kind of inside the mountain."


A while back, Gene Huff and I had a Usenet exchange of questions and answers on the subject of S-4. I was digging around for details that might have been overlooked in the past. A few interesting items (at least to me) did turn up out of the exchange. The following are excerpts of three exchanges that have been combined in to one Q&A session. I deleted information not pertaining to the S-4 topic. As you read it, remember that what you are reading are Gene Huff's replies to the questions, as he remembers what Lazar told him. In that sense, it is second hand and errors or other distortions may be introduced:



Question:


Did the bus drop off Lazar in front of the hangars, do a U turn and return to Groom, or did the bus remain on site?


Answer:


-No, there was an area enclosed with a chain link fence on the non-hangar side of the installation and they entered through that side. Apparently the installation is/was on a corner of one of the jags in the mountain. The only night he entered through the hangar side was the first night they showed him the sport model which is the night he walked right by it and rubbed his hand on it. He and Mariani went inside after they were dropped off so he never knew the time schedule or whereabouts of the bus after that.-


Question:


Do I understand you correctly that the facility passed completely through a ridge, with the hangars on one side and the "entrance" on the other?


Answer:


-"Through a ridge" might be somewhat misleading. I don't think Bob was enough places in the facility to state that it passed through an entire ridge. However, yes, it did pass through the corner of a jag/ridge in the mountain. The hangars were on one side of the corner and the pedestrian entrances were around the corner from that.


Question:


What was the size of the chain linked area and could it have been visible from certain directions?


Answer:


-I don't know and I've never heard Bob guestimate that. In fact, you're the first one who's ever been that interested. This chain link fence was big enough to have gates on it and the gates were opened to allow the bus in.-


Question:


Since you said one night he entered through the hangar side after Lazar was dropped off, I assumed the bus pulled up in front of the hangars instead of he and Mariani walking around the hill.


Answer:


-I should have clarified that, as that must also be the reason you thought Bob should have been more aware of a synthetic tarmac if there was one. That night the bus dropped them off at the regular spot and, when Bob started walking toward the door, Mariani said, "We need to go this way tonight, Bob". Then they walked around the corner, more or less hugging the building and entered through the hangar side. If I remember correctly, there was also another gate they had to go through to get to the hangars. I think this gate was simply the side of the chain link enclosed area which the bus entered.-



So in summary, what have we been told by Lazar and company? That S-4 is on the east side of a dry lake (most probably Papoose Lake), about a 30 minute bus ride from Groom via a good dirt road. The facility seems to be either built into a ridge spine, or disguised as a ridge spine, with portions of the facility being on either side. The hangar side must be at least 600' long, perhaps longer. There is a chain link fence with a gate surrounding the personnel entrance, but it's possible to walk around to the other side of the ridge to access the hangar area directly."


http://www.darkgovernment.com/s4pros.html (http://www.darkgovernment.com/s4pros.html)
Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: A51Watcher on November 19, 2011, 09:22:31 pm
Another interesting excerpt from the DG site reports a sighting by Mark Farmer -


Sightings in the Area


While sightings accounts are not quite as substantial as eyewitness, on-site descriptions of what might be going on at Papoose, they should be considered. Probably the vast majority of sightings made near Area 51 may be dismissed as the misinterpretation of aircraft testing and wargames. Then there are the just plain stupid ones, like the mis-dentification of the landing lights of the incoming Janet flights to Groom as "Old Faithful". Still, after all the even remotely questionable sightings are discarded, there remain a few by credible observers.


As an example, one of the sightings I have some knowledge of was made by Mark Farmer. I know Mark and have a lot of respect for his knowledge of aircraft and various forms of cutting edge technology. On a visit to the area, in January of 1994, on a Wednesday night, he was in the desert off Hwy. 375, west of Hancock Summit. At 10:14 PM, he observed a glowing light rise in the southwest from behind the mountains. The bearing of the light was not that of the Groom base, but rather more to the south. Although he had no solid idea of the distance, the bearing would put it in line with the Papoose area.


As he watched it for the next hour and 45 minutes, it made sharp, instantaneous horizontal movements, near-instantaneous turns, then it would slowly wobble for minutes at a time, then become rock solid.

Although his photographs show little more then an interesting light streak, he reports that through his Celestron telescope the object appeared as an oblate spheroid (a squashed ball). The upper most portion appeared crimson, and the bottom most portion was green. The area in between was a golden color. He said it appeared the colors were the result of some sort of discharge, and than the colors obscured whatever might be below.

Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on December 02, 2011, 04:55:08 pm
SUPERHEAVY ELEMENTS DISCOVERED
THE DISCOVERY OF ELEMENT 115 PAVES THE WAY TO UNDERSTANDING GRAVITIC CONTROL


(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/115.jpg)

Element 115, the key to understanding how the ultra-secret "Black World" has created aircraft capable of manipulating gravity and space/time, has been identified, and the recent discovery of element 118, which decayed into element 114, further helps identify the possibilities.

The most important attribute of this heavier, stable element is that the gravity A wave is so abundant that it actually extends past the perimeter of the atom. These heavier, stable elements literally have their own gravity A field around them, in addition to the gravity B field that is native to all matter.

The Key To Gravity-Control Systems

No naturally occurring atoms on earth have enough protons and neutrons for the cumulative gravity A wave to extend past the perimeter of the atom so you can access it. Now even though the distance that the gravity A wave extends past the perimeter of the atom is infinitesimal, it is accessible and it has amplitude, wave length, and frequency, just like any other wave in the electromagnetic spectrum. Once you can access the gravity A wave, you can amplify it just like we amplify other electromagnetic waves.

And in like manner, the gravity A wave is amplified and then focused on the desired destination to cause the space/time distortion required for practical space travel.

This amplified gravity A wave is so powerful that the only naturally occurring source of gravity that could cause space/time to distort this much would be a black hole.

We're amplifying a wave that barely extends past the perimeter of an atom until it's large enough to distort vast amounts of space/time.

Transmutation

We synthesize heavier, unstable elements by using more stable elements as targets in a particle accelerator. We then bombard the target element with various atomic and sub-atomic particles. By doing this, we actually force neutrons into the nucleus of the atom and in some cases merge two dissimilar nuclei together. At this point, transmutation occurs, making the target element a different, heavier element.

As an example, in the early 80's, the lab for heavy ion research in Darmshtot, Germany synthesized some element 109 by bombarding Bismuth 203 with Iron 59. And to show you how difficult it is to do this, they had to bombard the target element for a week to synthesize 1 atom of element 109. And on that subject, this same lab has projected that in the future they should be able to bombard Curium 248 with with Calcium 48 to yield element 116 which will then decay through a series of nuclides which are unknown to them, but are well known to the scientists at S4 located within the complex of the Groom Lake "Area 51" installation.

The length of time which an element exists before it decays determines its stability. Atoms of some elements decay faster than atoms of other elements, so the faster an element decays, the more unstable that element is considered to be. When an atom decays, it releases or radiates sub-atomic particles and energy, which is the radiation that a Geiger counter detects.

Alien Craft

The reactor found in the alien craft at S4, as widely mentioned by physicist Robert Lazar is primarily based on a superheavy element with an atomic number of 115. Element 115 will be designated as "Ununpentium" according to IUPAC guidelines. Its periodic designation and electron configuration appear in the diagram at the top of the page.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/banners/Element115.png)

Article Appears on several websites with no author or copyright info

Super Heavy Elements Discovered (http://www.beyondweird.com/element115.html) - beyondweird.com

Super Heavy Elements Discovered (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_antigravity_a.htm) - bibliotecapleyades.net

Super Heavy Elements Discovered (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread61346/pg1) - abovetopsecret.com
Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on December 02, 2011, 05:02:09 pm
Wednesday, Sept 8, 2011 Published at 10:52 GMT 11:52 UK

Sci/Tech
New superheavy elements created


(http://www.beyondweird.com/118.gif)
The collision of lead and krypton leads to the new elements.

BBC News Online Science Editor Dr David Whitehouse

Two new "superheavy" elements have been made by bombarding lead atoms with energy-packed krypton atoms at the rate of two trillion per second.

After 11 days, the scientists working at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, US, had produced just three atoms of element 118. These contained 118 protons and 175 neutrons
each in their nucleii.


The new elements decayed almost instantly to element 116, which itself was short-lived. But, for that brief moment, they were the only three atoms of these elements ever to have
existed on Earth.

Ken Gregorich, the nuclear chemist who led the discovery team, said: "Our unexpected success in producing these superheavy elements opens up a whole world of possibilities using
similar reactions: new elements and isotopes."

US Secretary of Energy, Bill Richardson, commented: "This stunning discovery opens the door to further insights into the structure of the atomic nucleus."

Unstable combination

Atoms consist of a central nucleus surrounded by a cloud of electrons. The nucleus consists of protons and neutrons.

But not all combinations of neutrons and protons are stable. In nature, no element heavier than uranium, with 92 protons and 146 neutrons, can normally be found.

Scientists can make heavier ones by colliding two large nuclei together and hoping that they will form a new, heavier nucleus for a short time.

One of the most significant aspects of the new elements is that their decay sequence is consistent with theories that predict an "island of stability" for atoms containing approximately
114 protons and 184 neutrons.

"We jumped over a sea of instability onto an island of stability that theories have been predicting since the 1970s," said nuclear physicist Victor Ninov. He is the first author of a paper on
the discovery submitted to Physical Review Letters journal.

Atomic structure

Synthetic elements are often short-lived, but provide scientists with valuable insights into the structure of atomic nuclei. They also offer opportunities to study the chemical properties of
the elements heavier than uranium.

I-Yang Lee, scientific director of the atom smasher at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, said "From the discovery of these two new superheavy elements, it is now clear that the
island of stability can be reached.

"Additionally, similar reactions can be used to produce other elements and isotopes, providing a rich new region for the study of nuclear properties."

Fast work

Element 118 takes less than a thousandth of a second to decay by emitting an alpha particle. This leaves behind an isotope of element 116 which contains 116 protons and 173
neutrons.

This daughter is also radioactive, alpha-decaying to an isotope of element 114.

The chain of successive alpha decays continues until at least element 106.

Sci/Tech - New superheavy elements created  (http://www.beyondweird.com/element115.html)
Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on December 02, 2011, 05:07:24 pm
Sci/Tech
Russians create new heavy element


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Russian scientists have made a new super-heavy element in the lab that does not exist in nature. But what is really remarkable is that this collection of protons and neutrons stayed together for about 30 seconds before starting to decay.

Such giant elements are usually highly unstable and decay with half-lives that can be measured in milliseconds or less.

The new addition to the periodic table has the atomic number 114 - that is to say, it has 114 protons. The scientists working at the Flerov Laboratory of Nuclear Reactions in Dubna made two isotopes of the element. One had 175 neutrons, the other had 173.

By comparison, the heaviest element found in nature - in sizeable quantities - is the most common form of uranium. This contains just 92 protons and 146 neutrons.

Artificial elements can only be synthesized in nuclear reactors or particle accelerators. In this case, the isotopes were created by bombarding targets of plutonium with beams of calcium ions.

'Island of stability'

It has been a good year for scientists working in this field. The Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in California announced in June that they had forged the heaviest element yet, 118, and when it decayed, it morphed into element 116, then an isotope of 114 with even fewer neutrons than Dubna's.

For more than 30 years physicists have predicted that there probably exists an "island of stability" for nuclei with around 184 neutrons - isotopes that would not disappear almost as soon as they are created. Calculations suggest that isotopes on this island could, theoretically, have half-lives measurable in years.

The new Russian isotopes, with 173 and 175 neutrons and half-lives measured in seconds, appears to confirm the theory.

Scientists cannot make anything with these artificial elements. But they do provide valuable insights into the structure of atomic nuclei.

Anyone interested in knowing what element 114 will be called may have to wait a while. The international committee responsible for naming process can take several years before reaching a decision.

The new research has been published in the journal Nature.

Russians create new heavy element - BBC News (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/395320.stm)
Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on December 02, 2011, 05:09:18 pm
Element 118 disappears two years after it was discovered
Aug 2, 2001


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NB: The paper reporting the discovery of element 118 was formally retracted by its authors in 2002. The retraction followed an investigation into alleged scientific misconduct by one of the authors, Victor Ninov.

Researchers at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in the US have retracted their claim to have discovered element 118. The retraction follows more detailed analysis of the original data at Berkeley and the failure of experiments at Berkeley, the RIKEN laboratory in Japan, and the GSI laboratory in Germany to observe the element.

In 1999 a team of researchers from the Berkeley lab, the University of California at Berkeley and Oregon State University claimed to have detected three atoms of element 118 in collisions between high-energy krypton ions and a lead target. "The observation of a chain of six high-energy alpha decays within about one second unambiguously signalled the production and decay of element 118" said team leader Ken Gregorich at the time. Element 118 was then the heaviest element to have been detected.

In a brief statement submitted to Physical Review Letters, which published the paper reporting the original discovery, the Berkeley team write: "Prompted by the absence of similar decay chains in subsequent experiments, we (along with independent experts) re-analyzed the primary data files from our 1999 experiments. Based on these re-analyses, we conclude that the three reported chains are not in the 1999 data. We retract our published claim for the synthesis of element 118."

"Science is self-correcting," said Berkeley director Charles Shank. "If you get the facts wrong, your experiment is not reproducible. There are many lessons here, and the lab will extract all the value it can from this event. The path forward is to learn from the mistakes and to strengthen the resolve to find the answers that nature still hides from us."

Element 118 disappears two years after it was discovered (http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2629)

Retraction Paper (http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2629)
- [PDF][Archived]

LLNL Papers on 115

UCRL-CONF-217831
Chemical Identification of Dubnium as a Decay Product of Element 115 (https://e-reports-ext.llnl.gov/pdf/328668.pdf)

UCRL-PROC-224777
Chemical Identification of a Long-Lived Isotope of Dubnium, a Descendant of Element 115 (https://e-reports-ext.llnl.gov/pdf/338922.pdf)

LLNL-TR-400991
New Fragment Separation Technology for Superheavy Element Research (https://e-reports-ext.llnl.gov/pdf/357222.pdf)


Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on December 12, 2011, 07:55:38 pm
Physicist Robert Lazar Sentencing in Nevada court 1990

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Never before seen footage of the sentencing of Physicist Robert Lazar in a Nevada court in 1999. Listen carefully to the judge's comments regarding this case. Most interesting.

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Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: Pimander on January 08, 2012, 03:40:10 pm
Bob Lazar's Disappearing Credentials

This is part of George Knapp's report on the case.  This clip is relevant to the controversy regarding Bob's credentials.  If anyone has the whole video that would be cool.

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George Knapp and Bob Lazar briefly discuss Bob's missing school and employment records. Two specific places which claimed to have no information or records of any Robert Lazar were the Los Alamos National Laboratory and EG&G
SOURCE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vNMmB70y4Q&feature=player_embedded

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Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on February 17, 2013, 02:36:11 am
Bob Lazar & Area 51/S4

Uploaded on Feb 12, 2012 by wwwunitednuclear


Bob Lazar, United Nuclear Scientific's CEO, recounts his experience at Area 51/S4 in the late 1980s.

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Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on February 17, 2013, 02:46:16 am
Desert Blast News Clips

Uploaded on Apr 17, 2011

A couple CBS news clips from United Nuclear's annual pyrotechnic event known as 'Desert Blast' - held in Las Vegas, Nevada for 13 years. Before the emails start, let me first say - Yes, Desert Blast will return in 2012 - it will now be held in Michigan. That's all the info available at the moment. If you're interested in being considered for an invitation, please send an email to: sales@unitednuclear.com and tell us about yourself (professional experience, talents, etc.) and what you can possibly contribute to the event.

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Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on February 17, 2013, 02:55:01 am
Jet Car vs Corvette Race

Uploaded on Apr 17, 2011

Shot in the early 1980's this is Bob Lazar racing his Jet Car against his friend Rick in his 1982 Corvette. To be fair, the Corvette was given an 1/8 mile head start before the Jet Car launched.
The video is unstable - the cameraman is filming the race hanging out the Corvette's moon roof...

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Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on February 17, 2013, 02:59:59 am
Homebuilt Jet Engine Go-Kart

 Uploaded on Apr 19, 2011

Video shot in the early 1990s, this is a Homebuilt Jet Engine, fabricated from just sheet metal & tubing. There are no moving parts, nothing to replace or wear out. It runs on Propane so there is no need for fuel pumps or any complex support equipment. It starts with a pushbutton igniter. The engines have been used on Go-Karts, Boats, Ultralight Aircraft, Gliders and bicycles. The original designer of the engine was Eugene Gluhareff, a close friend of Bob Lazar's. The plans available are Bob's modified version that produces about 20 pounds more thrust than Eugene's original design. The plans are 1:1 in scale, over 12 feet long. You can simply lay them on top of your sheet metal and start cutting out the parts. You must be a decent welder and skilled at working with metal in general to build this engine. A great metal shop project. Recommended for experienced/advanced builders.

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Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on February 17, 2013, 03:03:43 am
Quick Peek Inside United Nuclear

Uploaded on Dec 24, 2009

This was a quick browse through the old United Nuclear Scientific retail location in Laingsburg, Michigan.
In May of 2011, we moved to a much larger manufacturing facility in Laingsburg. Due to the fact that we now are involved in Military and confidential contract work, we can no longer have public access or a retail showroom.
You can always check our website for new arrivals and products at:
http://www.unitednuclear.com

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Jet Bike

Uploaded on Jun 30, 2010

First moving test of Stingray bicycle powered by a small turbojet engine. Bike can be driven 3 ways: normal peddle power, front wheel electric drive (36v @ 500W lithium batteries - range 15 miles at 30 mph), or turbojet engine (30 pounds thrust 5 minute burn duration at full power - 50 mph max speed). Fuel (Kerosene/Turbine Oil mix) consumption is 20 ounces per minute at full power.


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Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on February 17, 2013, 03:07:07 am
True Hydrogen Conversion

 Uploaded on Jan 2, 2012

United Nuclear Scientific kits in development to convert existing vehicles to run on Hydrogen instead of Gasoline. These are not bogus 'add-on' mileage boosters (which are complete scams). This is a true Hydrogen Conversion System which eliminates using Gasoline entirely. The Hydrogen Generator (about the size of a dishwasher) is installed in the garage and is powered by a solar array on the roof, or a wind turbine to provide power to produce Hydrogen gas from water at near zero cost. The car is plugged into the generator overnight and refills the on-board tanks. Hydrogen is safely stored in a high capacity solid (Metal Hydride) material which cannot explode or burn in the event of a crash. The Hydrogen is chemically locked in this material and is not stored as a dangerously flammable gas or a liquid as other experimental Hydrogen conversions do. Range is in the area of 300 to 400 miles. Kit ballpark price is in the $10,000 range. System can be transferred from one vehicle to another if the converted vehicle needs to be sold.

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Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on February 17, 2013, 03:15:32 am
80 watt Death Ray / Upload Test

Uploaded on Dec 20, 2009

Testing HD video upload to YouTube
Short clip of 80 watt Death Ray

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Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on February 17, 2013, 03:21:13 am
United Nuclear

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-NUOYr61QcsA/UOzeF3XFXuI/AAAAAAB3Aig/v5fvhC9qMpI/s548/United+Nuclear+Scientific)

Address: 9607 E Price Rd, Laingsburg, MI 48848

http://www.unitednuclear.com/
Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on July 24, 2013, 09:15:11 pm
LAZAR TOOK FRIENDS TO SEE A TEST FLIGHT OF ALIEN CRAFT
Uploaded on Oct 2, 2008


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Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on July 25, 2013, 02:44:01 am
(http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/cetinbal/PU/UFOlazar2k.PNG)
Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on July 25, 2013, 04:04:02 am
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Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on July 17, 2015, 11:18:28 am
[youtube]lYOfxDr8PMc[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYOfxDr8PMc
Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on April 17, 2018, 01:50:16 pm
Gene Huff's Response to "Lazar Theory #1"


Recently, the following post was made by Glenn Campbell, known to most of you as "Goober". A recent assassination of Goober by an anonymous person on the Internet has been attributed to me and has been alleged to be my response to this recent posting. That is not true and I'll go into that in another post. However, here is my actual response to the post by Goober.

I don't think I necessarily need to respond to every line so I'll just cut in and out to the important points. What everyone must realize is that posts like this are nothing new to the net. This is simply one of those fishing trips in which someone posts lies and then waits for someone to respond with the actual, true, information so they can then adjust their info and use it in a book or an article they intend to write down the road.

If you'll notice, Goober says this is "one" possible scenario, not "the" scenario, meaning there are more to come. I have no intention of playing that game, but I'll respond to this one so you can see how the fishing trip works. Keep it in mind as this won't happen again. The only reason Goober even started this attack is because the kids who run the Tri-Dot web page have been implying that they're going to post something about Goober being a paid government liar. I don't think he is that.

"As a "librarian" for the UFO field (through the Ufomind website), it is not my job to make conclusions."

Notice he starts out with a hallucination.

"Instead I simply collect the relevant documents and let others draw conclusions from them. I can, however, propose theories and draw attention to specific earthly facts that are beyond doubt."

Keep this statement in mind as we proceed. There are no documents even remotely involved here.

"his (Lazar's) story isn't worth my own time to further investigate."

If Lazar's story isn't worth the time to further investigate, what is Goober doing writing the first of a series of articles about it? The real reason is that Lazar is the hottest topic in ufology and the most highly sought ufological interview in the world. Goober has tried to stop that with deception but, fortunately for those seeking the truth, no one listens. He wants to divert attention from himself at this moment, for reasons you all know. Generally, he wants the attention that is Lazar's and he perpetually covets that notoriety.

"Lazar made up the story on his own based on his own significant technical knowledge, his peripheral work with a contractor on the Nellis Range and the prior Area 51 alien claims of John Lear (aliens eating humans in a vast underground base), which Lazar "cleaned up" and made more plausible."

Notice that in this scenario, Lazar has significant technical knowledge and had peripheral work with a contractor on the Nellis Range. Quite interesting for a guy with no education and no credentials as Goober has alleged in the past.

"According to this theory, Area "S-4" is a corruption of "Site 4", a real Top Secret radar installation northwest of Area 51 (not south at Papoose Lake). It was a place that no one could talk about in 1989 because purloined Soviet radar were tested there. Lazar has probably never been to Site 4, but he could have heard the name."

Please! I was the first one to audibilize (actually type) the fact that there was more than one S4 on the Nellis Range and that it was known as Site 4, not S4, and Glenn Campbell knows that. Now I can't say that neither Tom Mahood nor Glenn Campbell had ever heard this as I can't know what goes on in their empty little heads, but if Goober honestly did not know this, then you'll have to check with Mahood. I don't really even recall if it was on Usenet or in email, but if you cancheck with Mahood and catch him on one of those rare occasions he tells the truth, I'm sure he'll confirm that this is true. Campbell is acting as though Site 4 is a name Lazar may have heard of. Site 4 is a place Goober may have heard of, from me. I'll take a polygraph if necessary to prove that is true. Bob Lazar, and all of his many friends knew of Site 4 a half decade before Goober escaped out here to Nevada. If Lazar had "corrupted" Site 4 into S4, don't you think that people like myself, Joe Vaninetti, (A friend of Lazar's who worked with Lazar at Los Alamos and who also did work for Los Alamos out here at Yucca Flats on the Nevada Test Site), and Jim Tagliani, (a friend of Lazar's who worked out at the Tonopah Test Range when the Stealth Fighters were there) would have noticed? If this was a giant conspiracy and a big lie, wouldn't we have told Bob to change the S4 name because of that? This is ludicrous, even for Goober.

"What was Lazar's motivation? Money."

Bob Lazar's father is a wealthy Los Angeles businessman and Bob has had a standing offer to work for/with him in California anytime he wants, and at a helluva (six figure) salary. Lazar stayed with science because it's his love and that devotion resulted in him being part of the ET disc back engineering team.

"Under Theory #1, Lazar cooked up the story to obtain funding from Las Vegas philanthropist Robert Bigelow, who was known to sponsor far-out projects. (Bigelow is still investing millions in parapsychology and UFO research but is intensely secretive about his activities.)"

Lie. I defy any of you to name one project that Bob Bigelow was known to have funded prior to Bob Lazar going public. What's that I hear, silence? Goober is trying to twist the facts here. Bigelow was only known post Lazar. Bigelow might have been known in real estate development circles back then, but not in ufology. Bob Bigelow first met Bob Lazar after he saw George Knapp's UFOs, The Best Evidence on television. He saw that I was a real estate appraiser and called my office. He explained that he was simply a money man and wanted to get involved with any sort of research. Ultimately we met with him and things proceeded from there. It is true that Bigelow has since invested big bucks in a wide range of projects. If there were any prior to Lazar, don't you think Campbell would have mentioned them? There simply weren't any and Campbell knows that. If Bigelow was unknown, and he was unknown, how would Lazar have known about him? This is beneath even Goober. I can take a polygraph lest anyone think I'm not truthful about Bigelow.

"In fact, Bigelow did set up a Nevada corporation for Lazar, the Zeta Reticuli 2 Corp., shortly after Lazar went public. It was apparently created to fund Lazar's research into "Element 115," which Lazar initially claimed he had samples of. (The government has since "taken them back."

And exactly how was it "apparently" to fund research into element 115? Have any of you seen Campbell provide any evidence of this? Where's all of this paperwork he directed your attention to earlier in this article? I'll show you some. Since MaWoody and Goober (Mahood and Campbell)seem to think that this is so intriguing, I'm going to do those of you on the net a favor. I'm going to actually post, with Bob Lazar's permission, the actual patent application from that research. It was not for particle beam weapons like Mahood alleges, it was not for 115 research like Campbell alleges. Just wait, and you can take a look for yourselves. I'll provide the paperwork to reality, not Campbell. He talks a good game, but I'll produce. There's a difference. However, it makes this fishing trip more successful for him, but I'll do it for those interested in the truth.

"While the existence of the corporation is a matter of public record, we do not know how much Bigelow spent. We do know that the project did not last long, and that Bigelow felt somehow burned by Lazar (according to sources who have known Bigelow)."

Yes, of course, unknown sources who have known Bigelow. How convenient. Don't these sources still know Bigelow or did they burn him, too? Well here's a source who witnessed the whole thing and I am known and I know Lazar and Bigelow. The actual story of how things broke down would be so humiliating to Bigelow that I won't waste it on the net, I'll save it for the book. However, Bigelow more or less just rented the warehouse space as most of the equipment moved there was Lazar's. Bigelow did buy 2 computers and a YAG rod, (Yttrium, Aluminum, Garnet) for a laser, but that was about it. Lazar was not given any large chunks of money but was paid a very modest salary for which Bigelow was very demanding. Bigelow's background is in construction and Real Estate development, (He was actually an appraiser a long time ago) and he's used to timetables being kept, etc. Research and Development does not always go that smooth and Mr. Bigs gets easily frustrated when he doesn't get his way. Stanton Friedman agrees with that after having associated with Bigelow.

"Under this theory, Lear, Gene Huff, George Knapp and other supporters were patsies, not co-conspirators. They were tools used by Lazar in pursuit of Bigelow, and later they were his defenders and his protection against having to answer too many questions."

Lazar has not only answered "too many questions" but submitted to two different polygraph sessions by two different polygraphers, gave former NASA robotics expert Bob Oechsler, written, notorized permission for Oechsler to check out Lazar's IRS and Social Security records to prove that he was paid by the Navy, etc. Most of this was right after Lazar went public and George Knapp didn't know Lazar from Adam. The only patsies here are those who read Goober's gibberish and accumulate a knowledge base of nonsense. Not too mention that no one had ever heard of Bigelow.

By the way, Oechsler found out that Lazar's IRS and FICA files were classified. Quite unusual for a guy who is being accused of making up a UFO story, don't you think? Oechsler also found out that the E6722MAJ on Lazar's W-2 (that's from memory so I might have misstated a letter or number there) meant that this code meant Department of Energy, Kirtland Air Force Base, and the point of contact was MAJ, (yes, we're back to the Majestic codes). This was eight years ago and Lazar has answered more questions than anyone in ufology, period.

"The government itself was taken by surprise by Lazar's claims. It may have indeed conducted its own investigation to see if any classified information was release (since Lazar did have a security clearance). Real FBI agents like "Mike Thigpin" could have visited Lazar. Recall that in 1989, the Cold War was not yet over, and secrecy at Area 51 was still extreme."

Really? And how does Goober know Lazar had a security clearance? Where's the paper trail? He heard me, Knapp, or maybe even Lazar himself say that and has not checked out or verified one thing. I point this out to simply show that Goober hasn't substantiated anything positive or negative about Lazar. The man's name was Mike Thigpen, not Thigpin, and he was an OFI agent, not an FBI agent. The OFI is a pseudo-secret organization that is involved in background checks of people who get high clearances at the Nevada Test Site, Nellis Test Range (and elsewhere I presume). They have a local Las Vegas office, though they're not listed in the phone book, and are based out of the Office of Personnel Management back in Pennsylvania. Sorry to throw so many facts into Goober's stupid little story.

"Lazar, however, has never been to Area 51. I can say this with confidence after talking to people who have. While no one can say whether Lazar has ever been to Papoose Lake, which is still a closed area, the claim that he had flew to Area 51 enroute to Papoose should have been easily provable. Lazar should be able to describe innocuous details of the place, like what the cafeteria or plane arrival area looked like. Lazar has never done this, even though he supposedly revealed much bigger secrets."

What?! Not only did Lazar identify where the cafeteria was, he identified where the vending machines and television(s) in the cafeteria were. Do you think George Knapp honestly never asked these questions or tried to double check or verify this information? Goober must be crazy.

However, Bob Lazar is no authority on Area 51 as he didn't work there. The only time he went to the cafeteria was when he was taken there to wait on his first night out there, the night they made all of the security threats to him. After that, Lazar was simply transferred to the bus with the blacked out windows and taken down to S4. In fact, he identified that he was at Papoose by using estimated speed, the time on his watch, and direction, meaning the glow of the setting sun over the mountains to the west, to figure out that he was at Papoose. The base was only known as S4, they didn't call it Papoose. Of course the actual determining factor of his assessment of the location of S4 was by the size of the dry lake bed outside of the hangars.

George Knapp was a news anchor at the KLAS, the Las Vegas CBS affiliate, at this point in time and had, and has, many great contacts with people who have worked at A-51 in varying capacities from executives to laborers. Questioning Lazar about area 51 was one of the first things he did. Goober could have asked and found this out, presuming he doesn't actually know it, and I would find that hard to believe, but he did not ask. He lies and thus the fishing trip. Is everybody having fun? The bottom line is, not fishing line, that Lazar was usually at area51 when it was dusk or dark and he is by no stretch of the imagination an authority on where all of the buildings and hangars are. However, he did identify the obvious, years ago and to say that he has not is a complete bullshit story and Campbell knows that.

"Some former Area 51 workers have seen so little of their workplace that they cannot completely dismiss the Lazar claims, but they do know the cafeteria. One former Area 51 worker who has queried Lazar on these questions regards him as evasive. There is no doubt in his mind that Lazar is a fraud."

Right. Another anonymous, alleged, informant who has questioned Lazar. What's his name? What's wrong with letting it be known that he questioned Lazar, especially if Lazar gave the wrong answer? I can answer that. This informant doesn't exist. There is no doubt in this alleged anonymous person's mind that Lazar is a fraud. How convenient. He's unknown to everyone else, but Goober knows him and he agrees with Goober! What a surprise! Did he submit to a polygraph? Lazar did. Lazar correctly answered the area51 questions and this has been confirmed. People who read Goober seem to think that Lazar walks around answering test questions for complete strangers. Would any of you do that? Without knowing who they were or why they wanted to talk to you? Of course not, but you exist in reality and the informant and these alleged questions do not.

"The "Element 115" claim could have come from contemporary articles on exotic elements, such as one in Scientific American in May 1989. Like Papoose Lake, Lazar's claims about Element 115 can not be disproven because no one has been there."

Wait a minute. Lazar told me, Lear, Vaninetti, Tagliani, their wives and all of their girlfriends and the rest of our social circle about 115 long before May of 1989. It doesn't wash Goob.

"I don't mean "fraud" in any negative sense, however."

Of course not. Why would anyone think that Goober lying and erroneously calling Lazar a fraud would be negative?!:) What he means is that if he keeps lying and twisting what little he knows, you might not keep buying his Lazar products.

"For one thing he made Area 51 the most popular secret base in the world."

Wow! For the first time ever, Goober admits that Lazar made area51 famous, not him! Maybe Goober takes short vacations into reality after all.

"In a sense, Lazar's story is a lot deeper than he is."

Of course, Goober doesn't know Bob Lazar at all and has no idea how deep or shallow he might be. He'd like you to think he's providing insight, instead of bullshit.

"Fraud thrives in conditions of secrecy, like that found at Area 51 or in the Bigelow organization."

Well, we all know Goober's a fraud and he's the type that thrives via area 51, but maybe he could give us examples of how fraud thrives in the Bigelow organization. No, on second thought, he can't think that fast. He already told us he doesn't know anything about Bigelow. Bigelow isn't all that secretive, but he only talks to intellectuals and players, not the riff-raff like Goober.

"It also thrives where people want to believe something really badly. Clever con men are opportunists who exploit self-deceptions that already exist. They exploit existing beliefs and real circumstances to serve their own needs, and they tell the believers exactly what they want to hear."

You mean like a con man who moves from Boston to the Nevada desert to exploit literally everyone and everything? This is the absolute most explicit description of Glenn Campbell/Goober that I've ever read. Here he is, flaunting it in your faces while laughing at you behind your backs and you can't see it.

"(I should note, however, that my own interest in the Lazar story brought me to Nevada in 1992 and lead me to my current career as a "UFO webmaster." Lazar inspired me with his stick-to-the-facts demeanor in interviews, which I still find impressive and have tried to emulate. As an unofficial spokesman for Area 51, I have probably done things that have given Lazar more credibility than he deserves, like not dismissing on camera, but I have no regrets about leaving the door open. True or false, I feel the Lazar story has enriched my life in many interesting ways.)"

Yes, of course. The reason Lazar has credibility is because an unknown like Campbell doesn't dismiss Lazar on camera. Thanks Goob! You're so kind. Maybe Lazar will send you a thank you note. Those of you reading this should keep Campbell's above paragraph in mind when you read my commentary in another post about the recent assassination of Goober on the Internet. Remember, he moved here because of Lazar and tries to emulate Lazar and says Lazar has enriched his life. How many of you can say something that is that sad and simultaneously that sick and keep a straight face?:) None of you, I hope.

"I am not saying that anyone can "prove" Theory #1. There will always be ways for believers to believe. But of the theories currently available, this is the one that best fits the facts."

Maybe Goober could summarize those facts for us as I haven't seen any. Lazar has a wealthy father, Bigelow was unknown, Lazar identified area 51, or what he saw of it which included the cafeteria, precisely, etc.

The only facts in this post are from me.

"This theory raises logical questions that any journalist could ask Lazar, like: "When you got off the plane at Area 51, what did you see?" But no unbiased journalist has gotten close to Lazar in years."

Unbiased is the key word here. You see for Goober to be the authority George Knapp would have to be to close to Lazar to detach and ask the tough questions. Knapp did that, almost a decade ago, and Lazar passed with flying colors. Lazar did an interview, in Mike Lindemann's book, where another physicist who worked at the Stanford Linear accelerator was present. Lazar met, an talked at length, with Dr. Edgar Mitchell, astronaut and sixth man on the moon with a Ph.D. in aeronautics and astronautics. Lazar took a polygraph. Lazar gave Oechsler permission to check his records. Lazar has met with numerous people throughout the years, professionals and amateurs, and he's answered all of the tough questions, tougher than Goober can think of.

"Lazar and his story may still have a lot to teach us about the UFO field, but it isn't the lesson Lazar intended."

Wrong. It is specifically the lesson that Lazar intended and Goober has no insight as to what that is. The lesson is that in the late 1980s the U.S. government was back engineering ET craft at a base known as S4 in south central Nevada, a half decade +or- before Goober arrived.

As you can see Goober Campbell provided no paperwork, no names, and only alleged facts based on things he can't tell you. Well, take a look at the post named "lazar/Bigelow Patent" or something to that effect and see the patent filed by Bigelow and Lazar. It'll be coming right after I post this.

As the hallucinating, self professed UFO librarian and unofficial spokesperson for Area 51, he has said nothing and offered nothing. See my "Trials and Tribulations of Goober" post for my commentary on his recent net/legal problems.
Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on April 17, 2018, 01:52:25 pm
Bumped the above post to bring it current...

Had a request from Issac Koi...

Isaac Koi‎ to John Lear
3 hrs ·
Lazar/Bigelow patent (Zeta Reticuli 2) : Since Ron Schmidt was kind enough to get some documents from you regarding the incorporation of "Zeta Reticuli 2, Inc" by Lazar and Bigelow, I wonder if you or Ron can help with a related query? Comments by Gene Huff were posted on thelivingmoon.com back in 2011 which included "...I'm going to do those of you on the net a favor. I'm going to actually post, with Bob Lazar's permission, the actual patent application from that research ... I'll produce. There's a difference." [i.e., it seems, the research by the Bigelow/Lazar corporation]. Frustratingly, I can't see any subsequent post giving that "actual patent application". Do you John Lear or Ron Schmidt have a copy?


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=3ab5e47a4748bddace69f37e7ddb2b02&topic=190.msg2844#msg2844
Title: Re: Bob Lazar Library
Post by: zorgon on January 17, 2019, 09:17:58 pm
Bumpidity Bump