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The Living Moon => Thorfourwinds Section => The Current Crisis in Japan => Topic started by: WarToad on May 24, 2012, 12:11:23 pm

Title: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: WarToad on May 24, 2012, 12:11:23 pm
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T120523005514.htm

TEPCO estimate sees more radiation than NISA's
The Yomiuri Shimbun

Tokyo Electric Power Co. has estimated the total amount of radioactive substances discharged from its Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant measured 760,000 terabecquerels, 1.6 times the estimate released by the Economy, Trade and Industry Ministry's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency in February.

One terabecquerel is equal to 1 trillion becquerels.

TEPCO will include the estimate in a final report to be compiled by an in-house accident investigation committee in June. The firm has also begun explaining how it arrived at the figure to local governments in Fukushima Prefecture.

There are two ways to estimate the amount of discharged radioactive substances. One way is to base calculations on the degree of damage to the reactor core. The other is to reverse calculate based on the density of radioactive substances found in the atmosphere and seawater. As a result, there will be differences in estimates depending on how the figures were obtained.

NISA released an estimate of 770,000 terabecquerels in June last year, and another estimate of 480,000 terabecquerels in February. The Cabinet Office's Nuclear Safety Commission released an estimate of 570,000 terabecquerels in August last year.

TEPCO combined the two methods and repeated its calculations under different conditions. It reached a final estimate of 400,000 terabecquerels of iodine-131 and 360,000 terabecquerels of cesium-137.

The amount of radioactive substances discharged in the Chernobyl accident in 1986 was 5.2 million terabecquerels.

"As there wasn't enough available data immediately after the disaster, estimates can differ substantially if conditions change, even just a little," said Prof. Hideo Yamazaki at Kinki University, an expert in environmental analysis. "The discharged amount of radioactive substances increased, but the figure is within the assumed margin of error. There will be no problems in continuing decontamination work and other measures."

(May. 24, 2012)
Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: WarToad on May 24, 2012, 12:13:44 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_effects_from_Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster#Caesium-137

Quote
Over the course of the disaster, Chernobyl put out a total of 85,000 TBq of caesium-137.[11] However, later reporting on 12 April estimated total caesium releases at 6,100 TBq to 12,000 TBq, respectively by NISA and NSC – about 2–4 kg.

In other words, the new numbers show that Fukushima put out 4 times the amount of Caesium-137 that Chernobyl put out, and more than 36 times the amount of some of the previous estimates.

Fukushima has turned into a far bigger disaster than the nuclear lobby wanted us to believe.
Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: Amaterasu on May 24, 2012, 03:32:57 pm
Frankly, I think They're still low-balling it.
Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: WarToad on May 24, 2012, 05:34:48 pm
I believe nothing TEPCO says anymore.  They've proven their interests are self serving, their statements media manipulative.  They are Data Non Grata.  I'll look to 3rd party verification.
Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: WarToad on May 24, 2012, 05:39:54 pm
For the record -   We're talking 5 magnitudes of difference between what was the first official statement, and current assessment.  (because third parties are filling in holes.)

5 magnitudes.   5.    Five.   

That's not an "Oops."
Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: Amaterasu on May 24, 2012, 07:53:37 pm
When They announced it was only...what was it...1/10th as bad as Chernobyl?  Something ridiculous like that.  I laughed.  I sat there thinking...  They have GOT to be kidding Me!  No WAY one reactor with normal fuel is 1/10th (or whatever it was) as bad as FOUR, one running MOX.

I guess They thought We were that stupid.  But the media, with straight faces, told Us that.  And there was no uproar of incredulity.  So...  Either We kept Our incredulity to Ourselves...or We really ARE that stupid!

Been waiting over a year for the REAL truth to come out.
Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: thorfourwinds on May 25, 2012, 05:58:04 am
When They announced it was only...what was it...1/10th as bad as Chernobyl?  Something ridiculous like that.  I laughed.  I sat there thinking...  They have GOT to be kidding Me!  No WAY one reactor with normal fuel is 1/10th (or whatever it was) as bad as FOUR, one running MOX.

I guess They thought We were that stupid.  But the media, with straight faces, told Us that.  And there was no uproar of incredulity.  So...  Either We kept Our incredulity to Ourselves...or We really ARE that stupid!

Been waiting over a year for the REAL truth to come out.

Greetings:

And we have been sounding the alarm for over a year now.

We will return with our calculations of the radiation releases from Dai-ichi forthwith, should anyone be interested. TEPCO cannot be trusted with anything that they release (pun) as 'information.'

Considering the response (or lack thereof) to our threads here at TLM regarding the crisis at Fukushima, perhaps Zorgon was right:

No one cares...

However, in our continuing quest for the truth, we humbly offer this: America's Being Nuked - Can We Together Stop the Madness Before It's Too Late? (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread692775/pg1)

And this:

Fukushima Tsunami Meltdown Debris Field ETA America Summer 2012 ? (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1376.0)

And this:

Red Herring... (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread672665/pg1194#pid13350576)

And this:

[youtube]2IpT6ccDs0c[/youtube]

Peace Love Light
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Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: Littleenki on May 25, 2012, 07:55:29 am
Frankly, I think They're still low-balling it.
Sad, how we suffer at the hands of a bunch of criminally insane leaders.
Someday they will pay the ultimate price for their evil, and we can stand by and say..."oh it doesnt look that painful, dont worry about it guys its just a flesh wound!"as their souls are torn apart and fed to a black hole!
Ouch!
Le
Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: Amaterasu on May 25, 2012, 07:03:32 pm
I tweeted the link to the first Alpha Tango Spookz article, Thor.  Excellent piece!
Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: Littleenki on May 26, 2012, 03:46:54 am
We are stupid, eh?
Unfortunately the non stupid ones such as...gasp..US, arent powerful enough in today's society to overcome the hubris of our leaders and their need for nukes.

i went to a concert recently with all the lights and half million watt sound systems, and thought, Im tiny, and my little solid state generator is so insignificant compared to all this energy being used here, how will I ever make a difference?

I guess its like the wright brothers, when they watched a bird and thought, how will we ever do that?
Of course we know how that turned out, so I will have hope and make effort until my last breath, to change the dogma we wallow in for energy.

It isnt nukes though, as Im sure a dozen other eras of man's dna have figured out, and lost since earth's formation, and there is a missing link, for lack of a better term, we MUST find and apply to become a truly clean society at one with our Mother Earth

One question...do we all wear robes like those guys on Star Trek do, on that planet where everyone is happy and comfortable, cause I look ridiculous in a robe!
Cheers!...and still stupid:D
Littleenki
Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: Amaterasu on May 26, 2012, 09:38:14 am
Surely We can find a good cut of a robe for You, Dave, but yes, it will be the fourth Law: Every Being MUST wear a robe.  [grin]
Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: Littleenki on May 26, 2012, 02:16:07 pm
Surely We can find a good cut of a robe for You, Dave, but yes, it will be the fourth Law: Every Being MUST wear a robe.  [grin]
Well,Amy, I will have to say we are going to love those robes, and who will accompany us in our quest for clean living?
Robe-bots of course!LOL!:D
Le
Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: Amaterasu on May 26, 2012, 06:14:09 pm
Robe-bots! ROFL!

Ok. Back to the more serious stuff.
Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: Littleenki on May 28, 2012, 06:15:53 am
Robe-bots! ROFL!

Ok. Back to the more serious stuff.
Indeed, Amy! Some serious stuff that Cesium is.
http://www.mercola.com/article/irradiated/nuclear_lunch.htm

It seems thats what they use to irradiate our food these days....God save us!

Whatever cesium's effects are, beyond food use, are clear. Its a dangerous isotope, and has no place in any of our lives!

When will they stop putting radiation everywhere, and why do they so love to feed it to us? Never, Id guess, as for some reason we are being spoon fed the S&%t on a daily basis, and now that we have decided we dont want it in our food, heck, theyll just let a nuke plant leak for a few years and that should do it!

We are an ass backwards race, us humans, and the thoughts and ideas that come from our corrupt and mindless leaders are a sign of how bad we need to change our footprint on the planet. Im ashamed to be human, after seeing how my fellow humans have raised this child of a civilization, and hopefully the next human dna chain will have a fix in it for such stupidity and hubris towards our planet.

Just bakin in the sun, another source of radiation...Oh No!!
Littleenki
Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: Amaterasu on May 28, 2012, 06:42:39 am
Indeed, Amy! Some serious stuff that Cesium is.
http://www.mercola.com/article/irradiated/nuclear_lunch.htm

It seems thats what they use to irradiate our food these days....God save us!

Whatever cesium's effects are, beyond food use, are clear. Its a dangerous isotope, and has no place in any of our lives!

When will they stop putting radiation everywhere, and why do they so love to feed it to us? Never, Id guess, as for some reason we are being spoon fed the S&%t on a daily basis, and now that we have decided we dont want it in our food, heck, theyll just let a nuke plant leak for a few years and that should do it!

We are an ass backwards race, us humans, and the thoughts and ideas that come from our corrupt and mindless leaders are a sign of how bad we need to change our footprint on the planet. Im ashamed to be human, after seeing how my fellow humans have raised this child of a civilization, and hopefully the next human dna chain will have a fix in it for such stupidity and hubris towards our planet.

Just bakin in the sun, another source of radiation...Oh No!!
Littleenki

No, LE, We are NOT a backwards race.  We Humans are beautiful.  The puppet masters - who are likely NOT Human - who mind control Us, fluoridate Us, propagandize Us, chemtrail Us, EM radiate Us, and cesium radiate Us - want most of Us dead and the few spared as Their slaves.  They want this planet for Themselves, and pull the strings of the "leaders."  Humans are NOT in control.
Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: Littleenki on May 28, 2012, 07:41:36 am
No, LE, We are NOT a backwards race.  We Humans are beautiful.  The puppet masters - who are likely NOT Human - who mind control Us, fluoridate Us, propagandize Us, chemtrail Us, EM radiate Us, and cesium radiate Us - want most of Us dead and the few spared as Their slaves.  They want this planet for Themselves, and pull the strings of the "leaders."  Humans are NOT in control.
Hi, Amy!
I should have phrased that differently, sorry!
We have been temporarily made into an ass backwards race, throught the depletion through the millenia of the tools we need to be an ass forward race: our ability to think clearly and rationally.

We could run our own world, and will if given a second chance.

 I know we arent supposed to be this way, but as you say, the puppetmasters can make us do whatever they want, and until we learn to reject their evil doctrine and fight back, we will be doomed to doing everything ass backwards.

So its up to us to make that first move towards the goodness, and let those entities find a less receptive race in us, that wont take their crap anymore.
Dont do as they say, and make every decision with a clear head and an understanding heart.

It all starts with the most powerful tool we have, our mind!

Cheers!
Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: Amaterasu on May 28, 2012, 07:52:37 am
It's so awesome to see People like You, Dave, who are ready to work proactively.  Cowering in fear, We are powerless.  Stepping up with positive WILL, We are invincible.

We WILL prevail.  [smile]
Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: bobathome on June 02, 2012, 03:15:37 am
http://www.fox.com/touch/recaps/season-1/episode-11

 " TOUCH "


 (Because my wife, said it was it was important,,
she likes the show,,)

:)
well done,,
keep pushing :)

http://www.fox.com/touch/recaps/season-1/episode-11


On a Pacific Northwest beach, a woman named Lucy clashes with Wade, who's watching Japanese news on his computer and has a tent full of salvaged stuff, including a samurai sword. It's all ocean debris from the tsunami. Lucy sees him posting pictures online and confronts him about selling people's things.

In temporary Japanese government housing, young Seiji Osugi tries to break the world record for longest time dribbling a soccer ball. His father, Tatsoro, awaits word from his company about his job. An empty samurai sword stand hangs on the wall. A reporter asks about their tsunami experiences. Seiji's mother, Kazuko, deflects the painful memories by discussing Tatsoro's family's samurai history.

kepp it up :)
its working :)
Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: zorgon on June 07, 2012, 05:43:31 pm
Surely We can find a good cut of a robe for You, Dave,

Well the Pegasus Order of the Mystic Star requires robes... but for you two jokers I am thinking along this line...

(http://mardisgrasparty.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Mardi-Gras-Jester-Adult-Costume.jpg)

 :P
Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: Amaterasu on June 07, 2012, 06:22:51 pm
Oh!  Surely You jest(er)! [wink]  ;D
Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: Fruitbat on October 07, 2012, 04:22:40 pm

[youtube]2IpT6ccDs0c[/youtube]

Peace Love Light
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ABSOLUTELY NAILED IT!!!
Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: Littleenki on October 08, 2012, 09:35:22 pm
Indeed, Fruitbat..one of my favorite videos!

Le
Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: kdog on October 10, 2012, 06:13:24 pm
Hey,thor,how ya been?

Take a look at this graph and tell me what you see.

(http://www.epa.gov/radnet00/images/beta-gamma/louisville-beta.jpg)

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/net2/Louisville-KY-Real-Time-US-Radiation-Monitoring-Graph.aspx (http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/net2/Louisville-KY-Real-Time-US-Radiation-Monitoring-Graph.aspx)
Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: Amaterasu on October 10, 2012, 07:26:12 pm
Wonder why so many places on that map are missing all Beta Gross Count Rate data...

But Louisville sure looks like something jumped!
Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: Littleenki on October 10, 2012, 07:31:24 pm
Wow! Something happened the week of the 23rd of August...through the 30th which kept the baseline above the normal..way above sustained for over a week.

Could the baseline correlate with EM from the sun perhaps..something that noticeable? The spikes up and down daily could be from the suns progression along the elliptical..but the sustained part that one week is very suspect.

Kdog, whats your take on that graph? And Thor of course...:D

Le
Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: kdog on October 10, 2012, 07:39:56 pm
Well,it isn't anything local unless a truck carrying nuclear material turned over.
All we have around here is coal plants.

But,after a long drought ,it has been raining alot,finally.
But the rain started coming in September.

As you go through all those graphs,some show no change,some are missing,which to me are the ones I really want to see,and some show an increase also.
Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: kdog on October 10, 2012, 08:22:07 pm
Oh,and some new info for you also.......



http://www.simplyinfo.org/?p=7844 (http://www.simplyinfo.org/?p=7844)
Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: zorgon on October 14, 2012, 03:28:38 pm
Cesium? Whats THAT?

(http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/images/radioactive-homer-simpson.jpg)
Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: thorfourwinds on October 19, 2012, 05:01:12 pm
Hey,thor,how ya been?

Take a look at this graph and tell me what you see.

(http://www.epa.gov/radnet00/images/beta-gamma/louisville-beta.jpg)

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/net2/Louisville-KY-Real-Time-US-Radiation-Monitoring-Graph.aspx (http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/net2/Louisville-KY-Real-Time-US-Radiation-Monitoring-Graph.aspx)
Greetings Esteemed Member kdog:

Been doing fine here in the mountains and thank you for asking.

We have been backtracking your nugget deep into the darkness and have uncovered certain 'anomalies.'

Great catch!

Will return with the damning evidence.

Peace Love Light

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Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: Fruitbat on October 19, 2012, 06:45:00 pm
I live in the Uk, and althouh I've been half assed about keeping the thing fuelld with batteries, I'm getting about 3-4 times what I should be since february, although recently it seems to be trending up.

IF any of you want to do anything about his problem, consume less electricity. I ahve a clamp on meter with remote monitor so as I can check my elctricity consumption. I air dry my clothes indoors using a variety of ways of making sure I don't get a problem with damp, which means I do not "tumble dry". Saves a fantasic amount of energy. I got remote control on all my sockets, so when I sleep, so does most of my equipment. The percentage reduction I already made allows me to say confidently "I don't need no stinking nuclear".

IN fact DIY solar is so cheap now, that later this or next year, I think I will be off the tit completely as far as electric goes...

Add that to the fact that I have a GEIGER COUNTER (with cumulative dose memory) and my talk about nuclear issues now carries much more weight... When people know what that occasional beep is that seems to accompany me everywhere, each time they hear it they THINK ABOUT THE REAL ISSUE. I may not be able to do much about fukinshables, but I can sure do something to make damn sure everyone I come i contact with knows the issues. I now practice my presentation to make it quicker and slicker too... Don't want to look like the raving looney I undoubtedly am, I just want my fellow humans to KNOW.

Maybe it will do some good. It feels better than not fighting on this particular issue.

Fruitbat!
Title: Re: TEPCO now estimate that four times as much Cesium was released as at Chernobyl
Post by: thorfourwinds on October 20, 2012, 11:33:29 am
When people know what that occasional beep is
that seems to accompany me everywhere,
each time they hear it they
THINK ABOUT THE REAL ISSUE.


You absolutely nailed it!