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Title: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: Eighthman on December 13, 2017, 04:59:58 pm
There is a hypothesis of sorts that comes up sometimes, especially in new age circles. It is the notion that our culture is ruled by psychopaths and sociopaths.  The people who end up in charge are good at lying and cheating because that's the path to power, by nature.

So, I wonder......could this new found lynch mob mentality about sexual harassment have a good effect if it eliminates or reduces the number of monsters in politics?  OTOH, can the remaining "saints" (perhaps less sexually charged) really get anything useful accomplished?  I think about President Carter vs LBJ or Nixon.  Carter is a truly decent person who would make a good neighbor.....but President? Not so much.
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: ArMaP on December 13, 2017, 05:28:48 pm
So, I wonder......could this new found lynch mob mentality about sexual harassment have a good effect if it eliminates or reduces the number of monsters in politics?
That idea assumes that the accused are part of the psychopaths in power, but I have yet to see anyone really in power being accused.
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: astr0144 on December 13, 2017, 06:37:35 pm
The older and wiser we become (or may think we do !)...
It may seem that the way that Society in the World runs just  little like what  we thought or used to think.

No doubt there are and have been Corrupt leaders...

but I think for the majority.. its hard sometimes to always beware of what they may have done or are doing..

and I think usually we may often only  take note if some other authority figure makes us aware or a claim to something about  them or the system...

But at the same time ,things happen that the masses oppose to.. and sometimes that will put a stop to certain things that Corrupt leaders may have been doing or were aiming to persue.

Often it maybe down to complexity..and if people or other leaders can relate to any of the issues that may occur.

Some of the leaders are or appear to be clever and they are good at lying as you say.. and it maybe in Policitics for eg.. that both parties are corrupt and are in it either for their own power or maybe as they are just part of acting for another system or unknown secret type Society.

If that is the case it becomes excptionally hard to really know what maybe going on for the majority.

Maybe almost impossible..

In that respect they would seem to get away with somehow always remaining in power one way or the other..

and they have people working for them and carrying out things for them who may create immorral principles and laws or act as authoritarians who carry out acting like the Military . Police or security who know no better and just act for them, as they are chosen for being stronger (maybe cleverer or mentallyin the relevant areas) or armed and the masses can often not easily oppose them, unless they risk their lifes are are able to fight back somehow.

There are so many things that can happen, even what seem like simple things.. in which they can bring in the most ridiculas suggestions to create issues and problems to the public..

I think it is like Chess.. in which the top players are able to move the pieces to their advantage and only those opponents at the same level would be able to have much chance to work out their strategies and to try to counter their moves..

In ref to the Sexual Harrasment issues..Maybe its often those in some sort of power that are in better positions to attempt to persue such a thhing with less chance of being challenged about it..

And maybe especially with the Male species..(or maybe in reverse in someways for the female species) they can see both sides to it or more.. or there are mixed powerful people who may have certain effects on what may happen or any laws that may or may not get applied, or on who maybe could judge someone suggested as being guilty or not..

I think Its a very tricky area..

On the one hand I think most people may oppose to anyone sexualy harrashing their family female members, sisters mothers.. etc..  BUT at the same time I think a large % of males like to look at other females in sexual ways..
and that applies at any level.. from the average man to Presidents..and maybe sexual attraction for some is too powerful thing to easily control..

and I suspect no doubt thru out history.. its just always gone on and its only in the modern age we get to beware more of such reports about it..

Maybe many of us would not have been here if some sort of sexual harrassment had not taken place..

so when one starts to think in those terms it becomes maybe even harder to make judgement on..

BUT in an ideal World... everything should be speaky clean..
and no one should make sexual remarks and we should always go about such relationship type approachs in a set acceptable way...

but I think for many... its very hard for them to consider...
and / or  humans personalities and behaviours vary so much...

and its maybe not a topic or subject that is easily explained or taught... and parents have often not been able to discuss with their children.. and there fore so often the less educated will act in often unacceptable ways or will allow certain things to happen when they should not...

But power, strength (..mentally, psychologial etc) and intellect also play their parts, as well as dominance & submissiveness...
or a persons ability to take control over someone..

and all those things are a very hard formula to consider..
as there are just so many variations in our species..

and we are just not perfect !

Therefore I have often have not answer to certain things anymore !  Life can seem too complex..

but what ever happens ...happens..and often this will involve what is seen as corruption type endevers..

BUT how does one judge.. again we seem to have such variation..

The Pauper  (Poor person)who knows little and may seem to have less abilities  Verse the Well educated well brought up and well fed in higher society...

if something happens with say two opposite type  persons...
say for eg.. where either were to to say rape someone for eg..

often the well educated may talk their way into geting what they want with their target... or  if they get reported .. they can often talk their way out of a bad situation...or be able to obtain and pay for top lawyers to help then get away with it ..

but the poor person who may have had little guidence in life or is less clever .. may not really be able to do so or does not really know what maybe right or wrong...and were easily led or maybe even say talked into say raping someone...

I believe many people are never have ever been informed as to be warned what rape maybe..  are often act out of either disire or based on acting on others suggestons..or them being eged on by others...where a person may then think that they have to prove themselves to showing that they can get or have sex..so force their way onto someone to prove that they can..

There are NO doubt possibilities to lay down certain rules that we should follow.. but again it maybe down to what degree..
as as we are not equal.. there will always be concerns as to how we may apply to them..

then it maybe seen as being judged in how we apply or act to them..

Some suggest that its often a case of being Honest or dishonest in terms of how we may judge our actions..

BUT... again I think its very hard to ever be completely honest.. and there are times when its not always in one best interests to be honest..

and sometimes.. its other dishonest factors maybe say poor laws that have been created that will make people act dishonest..

I read a book on such a subject...and for a while though that it may have been the answers I had been looking for..

and some of it I may agree with...

BUT as life moves on you still see all the flaws that is not always explained.. and then one may realise that there are still many other factors in life to easily make judgments on many things..

Sometimes one can make judgements that may agree with given manmade laws... BUT Morally or in other ways..one may view something... its often just not straight forward..and again maybe down to individuals opinions..

Maybe if we all had equal HIGHEST abilities.. we could act along those type of suggestions..

but otherwise I just see so many things hard to judge..
and there always seems more than one option as to what maybe seen as right or wrong..and often depends on each or  the persons individual circustances..or  YIn and Yang maybe..




There is a hypothesis of sorts that comes up sometimes, especially in new age circles. It is the notion that our culture is ruled by psychopaths and sociopaths.  The people who end up in charge are good at lying and cheating because that's the path to power, by nature.

So, I wonder......could this new found lynch mob mentality about sexual harassment have a good effect if it eliminates or reduces the number of monsters in politics?  OTOH, can the remaining "saints" (perhaps less sexually charged) really get anything useful accomplished?  I think about President Carter vs LBJ or Nixon.  Carter is a truly decent person who would make a good neighbor.....but President? Not so much.
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: Eighthman on December 13, 2017, 07:35:47 pm
Let me try to make the point clearer.  Suppose I knew someone just like Hillary or Trump.  Neither of them are anyone I would do business with or trust or even be friends with. They're repellent.  How about Nixon? LBJ? J. Edgar Hoover?   Bill Clinton is charming but no one I would care to spend time with.  Obama seems utterly fake, unreal.
How about Tony Blair? (utterly untrustworthy).  Again and again, these leaders are people we might support politically but NOT people I can imagine as a friend.

 So, there's a paradox here

Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: astr0144 on December 13, 2017, 08:35:14 pm
You refer to Carter making a good or better neighbor than some of the other Presidents, but Carter not being suited maybe as a president in your opinion !

Then you refer to a list of other Presidents that I think most you suggest are corrupt...and that also  you would not want any of them as neighbors or to be social with them..

Some may say then that none of them were suitable leaders, yet they were or are still in some sort of position !

Maybe if you see them as being corrupt.. that you just would not trust them in either way..

but who if anyone,  would you see as suitable as President ? that you may also think suitable socially ?



Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: Eighthman on December 14, 2017, 09:00:13 am
Well, that's the paradox, isn't it !!!!   The highly effective leaders are monsters and the nice ones (very few?) get little accomplished. Again, we may have a selection process in which only the truly twisted break thru the barriers put up by the Deep State - hence, no 'nice' President can ever emerge - or if they did, by some accident, they would get 'dealt with' If You Know What I Mean......

There's a saying that 'you gotta break some eggs to make an omelet' but I don't see much ends appearing that would justify the means currently.  Like many Americans, I hoped that Trump would get us away from all this pointless war and spend the resources on domestic needs but that isn't going to happen.  Instead, I now believe that there is no alternative for achieving peace other than a severe breakdown of the US - which will prevent further folly.

Example: Britain is agonizing over big cuts to their military that will leave them with an army smaller than the NYC police force.  Still, they obsess about confronting Russia by stationing troops in Poland/eastern Europe.  It's just insane.....

Getting back to the topic, I wonder if more females and less charged males in office will help to pacify things.
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: astr0144 on December 14, 2017, 12:03:05 pm
On a quick reply for now..may reply in more detail later.

When we either live long enough to come to certain conclusions or are made aware of how things seem to be ...

One may question how would ANYONE want to risk being Chosen to be President or a open leader, when they are aware of the high risk involved and so much corruption and danger around...

and maybe that could be similar to questioning why would anyone risk joining the Forces... when the dangers must be greater than almost all other professions when you are fully mature enough to understand the real dangers involved,as brave as they maybe and often younger people who join without enough life experience to reaslise the true dangers involved if they have to eventually go to a real war situation..

But so many do somehow get through it and survive !

But in reality , Life for such persons who are in power,  no longer is the fairy tale ideal life scenerio anymore..unless you believe that you can be protected from the nasty side of life...and can see solutions..

Otherwise it seems as if its the Bully type or Criminal type who take the lead...

BUT are they also under the same threat ! in the event that maybe the good guys dont wish to be seen on the pedistal..
and prefer to work behind the scenes.. and would not want to risk open exposure..

Could that be going on equally as we believe a large corruption element are in control if that is how it maybe ?

I suspect so to some extent..

But is it an evil force that seems to control Puppet type leaders who we see as appearing in power ?

and can they also be challeneged ?

One wonders if Good Type ETs are here.. are they able to have certain control over the bad guys..


In ref to Females.... We have had Mrs Thacher and now Mrs May at Numer 10 as Primeminister..

and HilLary attempted to become President..

Yes Female lead can have some effects..as It appears that they have had in some cases..

But It maybe hard to conclude are they any better or honest ?
Again its each owns opinions..

and to really know the truths one would have to really beware of Polictics to a high degree and have a really good undersanding what goes on in the world..

Most of us are not in that position..

But there are many like us who may TRY to gain a reasonable understanding..and I think have done to a reasonable degree in some cases..

But I dont really have any ideal solution..at the moment..



Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: Eighthman on December 14, 2017, 09:01:17 pm
I think things may be different if more women generally get into office -like Kirsten Gillibrand or Tulsi Gabbard - NOT like Hillary or Thatcher who are trying to compensate for not being males.  It was psycho- Hillary who nearly promised war with Russia in an American Legion speech.

I do think we need to seriously consider that aliens are here and perhaps intervening quietly.  Whatever their actions, they must respect evolution and some sort of Prime Directive thereby. 
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: space otter on December 14, 2017, 09:20:07 pm


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Whatever their actions, they must respect evolution and some sort of Prime Directive thereby.

really?  how do you come by such a human explanation..does not compute

there's no one here but us stupid humans  - very slow learners we are



power corrupts no matter the gender..it's just been pretty one sided for a long stretch of time

and things will only change when the number one rule of treating others the way you wanted to be treated is used..
so simple it's hard to grasp..isn't it... :(
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: Eighthman on December 15, 2017, 06:05:15 am
Living as we do, as stupid humans, we lack the attitude towards time that a highly advanced race would almost certainly have.  Our lives are dominated by 'three score and ten'.

And evolution?  That's the way life is developed and grows.  The fossil record is a skillion 'smoking guns' of creatures that appeared, changed and often, vanished.  If it wasn't for creationism, there wouldn't be any discussion about its validity.  An advanced alien group has to know this and integrate it into their way of life.

And more than that, they MUST have the superior intelligence to understand the foolishness of well meaning interventions.......like Iraq .....and Afghanistan......and Syria .......and Korea.......and Libya......
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: space otter on December 15, 2017, 10:42:18 am


ya know 8thman  this post will get me in trouble but i'll say it anyway

a belief in aliens is like a belief in god/s..
you give all your power and all  the responsibility to someone besides yourself

you wait for someone / something other than you to fix it and either punish you or pat you on the head

  a realisation that we are it the be all and end all..
that's where change happens
that's where you really get to see what is what

can you do it all by  yourself..maybe not right away..but you can be that one person to make a change by showing how taking your power back and responsibility for your power does move others to do the same..

it's really easier than you think

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Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: Shasta56 on December 15, 2017, 12:05:14 pm
Lynch mob mentality Eighthman?  No, we just want to be treated like people, instead of property.  We want to be able to  wear normal clothes, have normal conversations,  without being accused of leading someone on.
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: Eighthman on December 15, 2017, 05:53:37 pm
I understand Dustin Hoffman is accused of sexual harassment.............that happened 34 years ago. 

This is ridiculous. Now it might be that, as society makes reporting these offenses less onerous, these extremes will fade away.  Otherwise, we will decline into de facto tribalism.  I never would have predicted that US society would ever get so weirdly Puritanical about sex.  And the direction of that neo-puritanism is truly sick because the end result will be aversion to stable unions between people ......in favor of recreational sex with robots.
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: astr0144 on December 15, 2017, 06:41:50 pm
With so much having come out recently and so many known people being accussed of Sexual Harrashment..

How does any one prove it after so long... and no doubt anyone can be accussed of almost anything...
and often mud sticks even if one is later able to prove that they were innocent..

Or bad people can decide to lable some good person in order to just try  to bring them down.

At the same time if any of us has been abused in someway... often such persons do not report or do anything about it...
and it can haunt them for many years...

and maybe only when they see others report cases from some time ago, they may later have gained the strength to report a long time ago incident..

Then we also may have wonders about Karma... have we deserved to have had something bad happen..if we may had done something questionable in our past..

Or we maybe just are unsure and are able to find it hard to make a conclusion..
or we are concerned that such things may also go on to effect other associates of either our own friends or family or someone elses..

If we have a past issue with some individual... is it purely between them and us ?  or does it lead to having many of their friends and family / supporters getting involved..also... that makes what may have started as a minor issue that it later becomes a major issue ...and it may lead to others getting involved and hurt due to connected effects ..

So it may make an indivual initially involved, wanting to back off...if they were to consider consequences....
or should that person do what ever it takes to fight their case ? no matter who else may get involved..
Often we want to clear our name or stick up for what we see as being right.. but again something simple can become a later ridiculas situation...

Many a time its hard to know what actions one should take... and will it lead to further bad situations or to clear ones conscience..

Such conflicts, can end up having people knowing ones private business and being targeted who we may not even know !
and ones life can become a nightmare.. if say the other person involved in the conflict has influences towards others who then also want to oppose the other person..

I am sure we have all either experienced such things or seen it occur to others..or at least seen it on some soap TV program.. and you get cases where one of the people have a large family or a lot of associates Verses someone who may be a type of self individual with few associates..  and the other person has far more back up support...
so much so.. that the other Self individual person may feel that they are up against a army !

So they may decide that they will not risk trying to oppose to try to clarify a situation if they may foresee the issues that may arise..I think this type of eg can also apply to those who are in power and maybe quite often you get a corrupt person who may have have a lot of associates who would stick up for them.. and pressure the other person...

and when such things happen.. its hard to see a solution for the other person.. even if he is innorcent...
unless he has some strong back up or evidence to support their case should it go to Court..

But this sort of thing can happen in harrashment / bullying type situations.. or persons who may attempt to make some fake claim about an other..

In one Soap that I have seen on and off over the last year or so... this sort of thing has happened to one of the characters.. and he is trying to find ways to take his revenge...


I understand Dustin Hoffman is accused of sexual harassment.............that happened 34 years ago. 

This is ridiculous. Now it might be that, as society makes reporting these offenses less onerous, these extremes will fade away.  Otherwise, we will decline into de facto tribalism.  I never would have predicted that US society would ever get so weirdly Puritanical about sex.  And the direction of that neo-puritanism is truly sick because the end result will be aversion to stable unions between people ......in favor of recreational sex with robots.
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: astr0144 on December 15, 2017, 07:02:26 pm
That may be the Problem Space otter...

Most of us Humans cannot compute well enough to conclude..

and I feel certain that definately applies to quite a high % of the population...
be it they just have not been made aware or do not have the intellect developed enough to understand..

Thanks for your opinion that only us Humans are here !  ???  With all your long time research into the subject that this is what you have concluded...

Maybe others who may still wonder will come to such conclusions eventually over more time for each individual persons research and take on it..

Or maybe someone else may still have other thoughts on the matter that one day may change such minds...

Space Otter
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really?  how do you come by such a human explanation..does not compute


there's no one here but us stupid humans  - very slow learners we are


power corrupts no matter the gender..it's just been pretty one sided for a long stretch of time

and things will only change when the number one rule of treating others the way you wanted to be treated is used..
so simple it's hard to grasp..isn't it... :(


Yes I agree that Many now do see Aliens as types of Gods... and Ancient Aliens TV program often discuss or may make such claims .. and for some they may well wonder...as it is another type of religion to some I think.

But also our Cleverest Humans I believe are looked upto like Gods also to a reasonable degree by many...
and it is them that are born with more god like Intellect ! that often are the Gifted thinkers or creators of our World..
For what ever reason they are born with or have deleveloped the required or extra brain matter...

But I also still think that there are still a lot of things that have yet to be really explained and ETs could still be one present consideration to offer some answers to such questions..

Some still suggest that Humans could be created from some sort of ET race... so how do we know we are not...
or could some of our leaders be some more advanced  other species in disguise to us !  and that could be hard to prove !   As I would well imagine that they could shapeshift or be like camelons...or become invisible .. as we are able to almsot create such technology in some ways as we are now...so how much more advanced could some other species be ?

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a belief in aliens is like a belief in god/s..
you give all your power and all  the responsibility to someone besides yourself

you wait for someone / something other than you to fix it and either punish you or pat you on the head


  a realisation that we are it the be all and end all..
that's where change happens
that's where you really get to see what is what



Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: space otter on December 15, 2017, 09:13:10 pm


Astro
this thread is way off topic but i will say this to your comment
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Thanks for your opinion that only us Humans are here !  ???  With all your long time research into the subject that this is what you have concluded...
what i have concluded is that humans are not the only life forms on this planet but that  doesn't mean that the other life forms are ets
and what i was saying is that folks look to ets to save them when the answer is get off your lazy ass and do something
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: astr0144 on December 15, 2017, 11:22:29 pm
When you say that S.O...

I assume you mean other life  forms, that are other than the other Animal and plant life most tend to consider..

Do you mean such things as other Human like beings maybe from other Multi Universes or Frequencies that at times visit ours.. but not from other Planets ?.. Would that be like transhumans ?

I am sure we all can do certain things to make changes to some degree..

But certain things, I believe maybe too hard a task for individuals to deal with..

and dealing with variables of our mental and physical strengths will put some restrictions on what we are capable of achieving.. which seems quite frustrating when we seem not to be able to do certain things or face certain situations..

I think many / most of us would like to do and achieve more ... but things like Psychological issues  or fears and phobias , doubts etc can prevent us doing so..Often certain things can be overcome...with help or hard work... but it often seems to be a case it drains a LOT of ones life...and time...

when we see how free we may often seem when we are younger.. and then see so many restrictions as we get older that prevent us doing certain things... Life can seem rather frustrating !

But we see so much authority and regulations, and become awware of big Brother.. that all have their effects on us.

Or just the big boy mentality... where they rule and if you challenge them.. chances are we will have a hard time and a lot of stress... either rule the roost.. do as I say.. dont argue with me or I will !!! or just their physical presence, like Bouncers who only have to face us... can most of us deal with such people and that may only be one or two of them.

I just watched Texas Ranger with Chuck Norris.. and it had Hulk Hogan on it... where the hulk is a reformed gangster..
and him and Chuck are running some sort of Youth club to help get teens of the street... Some of the kids get challenged by a gang and the gang try to enter the club to fight some of the other non gang teens and are acting tough.

They even later attack the Hulk and knock him down... but someone later helps him..
Later on the gang come back to the club again.. but this time Chuck has brought in 3 ex prisioners... all 3 are bruisers..

when the gang challenge them... just them showing their presence makes then back off..all they had to do was give a few of them a push which knocked some of them over.. then they all gave in trying to challenge them..
(They then explained the horrors of prison and how badly they had been delt with and they were really tough looking guys..wrestler types..one had lost an eye in a fight..)

This  happens a lot with security or Military or Police.. which admittedly at times we all need..to deal with such gangs and threats..

BUT if  these big guys were to  do such things to challenge the public, like as acting as say security guards..but they use that type of force... they are a real threat to persons who they may attack who may say be protesting over something..
that they are standing up for..and in many an authority type place these days that may hire such type of people..

These are just one or two big guys who can strut their stuff and put much fear into anyone who may challenge the system...but then no doubt certain places ,then have guys with guns who could act in a similar way if given orders to do so...so these may only be relatively just a few people who can create huge psychological type of force.. just by their presence or potential threat..

One of the Pawn Shop TV programs I think hes an owner Called Les Gold from from Pittsberg runs his business and hires a huge coloured guy as his security man..If he ever gets anyone who comes in his shop who starts to be any sort of concern... this big guy is watching them and almost in their face  or stood behind then even before anything really bad has happened....then if something happens.. he literally can almost just step in front of them and initially turn them towards the door and gide them out with his presence alone... but if they getin any way agressive... I have seen him often use some quite agressive actions against the public even for just being verbal to him... where he has knocked people to the floor with some force.. and IMO could seriously hurt many of them he has delt with..

NOW that is all on camera..and on TV..

This is the only (small) clip of the security guard  that I could find, and in this case.. he is dealling with some quite agressive guy who may deserve to be delt with... but you can see the size of him...and the security guard is trained in Martial Arts..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-XqiM-Wq-c

but he has even thrown a women to the floor if I recall on some occasion. (admittedly some women are very large also and strong and maybe hard to be asked to leave without him using force..and if a person really gets out of order, at times he may have little choice other than to floor someone)... but I have seen him floor lighterweight people who were not greatly agressive.. Large Martial Artist trained  security Guards should not do such things to smaller non agressive persons IMO..


IF you or me tried that.. we would be reported and arrested... but it seems he has never as yet had the Police investiage him...OK I can see his methods work and some of the persons he deals with may deserve what they get..
but he has done things to people who should not have been knocked to the floor..

This is the sort of fear, that can be put in places where you have to be careful for your own safety...
this is the reasons why many would think twice about challenging certain things..




Astro
this thread is way off topic but i will say this to your commentwhat i have concluded is that humans are not the only life forms on this planet but that  doesn't mean that the other life forms are ets
and what i was saying is that folks look to ets to save them when the answer is get off your lazy ass and do something
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: Eighthman on December 16, 2017, 07:02:52 am
Well, as long as we're drifting into this......

I am worried about the lack of violence in the US today.  Yup, that's right, the LACK of violence !  When you look at the Founding Fathers and what they fought against, you wonder what a nation of sheep we've become.

Many of you reading this will remember the '60's and the riots and protests that seemed to never end....Where are they? We have plenty of injustices and corruption, so where's the anger?

I think things don't change because so many people are medicated or on dope.  Not good.
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: space otter on December 16, 2017, 08:29:34 am


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I think things don't change because so many people are medicated or on dope.  Not good.


here's a little thought provoking item for you
what is the half life of the meds the wonderful drug industry  has swamped the american public with..?
what is the dilution quality of them?

now go to your local water authority and see where your water comes from
backtracking that water thru the local sewerage authority
they clean water thru sedimentation and uv light and return it to the rivers or water systems that draw it back into the drinking system

what is the one thing we can't do without..yep water

even if you don't drink it..
you wash yourself - your clothes - dishes etc. in it - water your garden with it
check that half life and dilution rate  again

does your filtering system (public or personal) test for anything more than a few germs?  do you have ANY idea of half life drugs in the water supply?

maybe a little research on masaru emoto will help you feel better
or not

my s-i-l has a little saying    life is hard , then you die!
soooooo be happy,, don't worry
none of us are getting out alive

bwhahahahahahahah
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: space otter on December 16, 2017, 10:50:27 am


ah shoot..didn't get back in time to add this..
just one drug discussed

go read the side effects of just this one and think about the drug soup you ingest everyday

consider it one way to morph or evolve into the next ????

who needs ets to screw with us when we are so good at do it yoiurself....stupid humans


https://www.webmd.com/depression/news/20040810/prozac-in-drinking-water-likely-so#1

Prozac in Drinking Water? Likely So
Water Treatment Plants Not Designed to Get Rid of Medications

By Jeanie Lerche Davis


In 2002, the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) released the first study of pharmaceuticals, hormones, and other organic wastewater-related chemicals in streams across the nation. Most sites were downstream of urban and farming areas where wastewater is known or suspected to enter streams.

The study showed that:
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Only Half of Drugs Removed by Sewage Treatment - Scientific American
https://www.scientificamerican.com/.../only-half-of-drugs-removed-by-sewage-treatm...
Nov 22, 2013 - The wastewater plants had a low removal rate (less than 25 percent chance of removing 75 percent or more) for 11 of the 42 chemicals. Advertisement. “The weight of evidence suggests that at least half of the 42 substances examined in the present study are likely to be removed in municipal wastewater ..


Removing pharmaceuticals from water doesn't come cheap or easy ...
www.freedrinkingwater.com/water.../remove-pharmaceuticals-from-water-not-cheap....
Mar 18, 2008 - The drugs get there because wastewater plants that drain into the river use basic treatments designed to remove microbes and industrial contaminants, not pharmaceuticals — the same scenario in many rivers nationwide. Even in Europe, where governments have gone much further in addressing trace ...


Stuff We Can't Treat - Boone County Regional Sewer District
www.bcrsd.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=44...
Who hasn't flushed unwanted medication down the toilet? The problem with flushing PPCPs is that wastewater treatment/reclamation plants are not designed to remove low concentrations of synthetic pollutants. Wastewater treatment/reclamation removes biodegradable organic material. PPCPs can pass intact through ...

The Complicated Question of Drugs in the Water — NOVA Next | PBS
www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/body/pharmaceuticals-in-the-water/
May 14, 2014 - This drinking water treatment plant, built in the late 1950s, sucks in water from the nearby Lake Monroe reservoir. Giant pipes dump the raw water ... In the last step, it's treated with chloramines to kill bacteria and other microorganisms, giving the water its faintly stinky swimming pool smell. The techniques ...
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: astr0144 on December 17, 2017, 06:16:40 am
You may make some valid points...

Im not sure I recall what happened back in the 1960s in the US.. I will need to look it up and research it a bit more.
I recall the Hippy days from the 60s and that may have been more the start of Drugs becoming an issue..
Then from listening to Alex jones about the dumbing down of the masses thru drugs and foods...

yes it may well be that we are all now far too dosile..  That is probably the case unfortunately..

Then with the Internet we read so any things sometimes its hard to know what to believe for sure..even though we are made aware of some valid things..

I think what many also would prefer is a peaceful way to alter things without physical violence..
and to know what is right and wrong...which I think we can become reasonably aware about...but to have trust is the system if that was possible.... and believing maybe someone like D.Trump was able to expose a lot of the corruption going on...

The other side of some of the probelem I referred to in ref to fear.. is the way that the system can now be High tech..
and how the system may have what seems more and more surveylance on us all and maybe more security than ever..
or the threat of a Police like state and a type of Nazi Germany occurring again..

Then to still question are we being ran by a type of corrupt Illuminati who may still be trying to bring in something like Agenda 21..


There seems still a lot of issues with foods that maybe changing our Hormones..or giving us early aging issues..leading to mental problems... and is anyone like Trump going to put a stop to that ! ...



Well, as long as we're drifting into this......

I am worried about the lack of violence in the US today.  Yup, that's right, the LACK of violence !  When you look at the Founding Fathers and what they fought against, you wonder what a nation of sheep we've become.

Many of you reading this will remember the '60's and the riots and protests that seemed to never end....Where are they? We have plenty of injustices and corruption, so where's the anger?

I think things don't change because so many people are medicated or on dope.  Not good.



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space otter
ah shoot..didn't get back in time to add this..
just one drug discussed

go read the side effects of just this one and think about the drug soup you ingest everyday

consider it one way to morph or evolve into the next ????

who needs ets to screw with us when we are so good at do it yoiurself....stupid humans
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: ArMaP on December 17, 2017, 10:04:06 am
Then from listening to Alex jones about the dumbing down of the masses thru drugs and foods...
... and Alex Jones.  :P

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.... and believing maybe someone like D.Trump was able to expose a lot of the corruption going on...
Corruption is an interesting thing, as people usually talk only about the corrupted side of things but do not talk about the corrupter. If there's corruption in politics it's because someone is investing money in that.
If you want to stop corruption you need to stop the corrupters.

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The other side of some of the probelem I referred to in ref to fear.. is the way that the system can now be High tech..
and how the system may have what seems more and more surveylance on us all and maybe more security than ever..
or the threat of a Police like state and a type of Nazi Germany occurring again..
The problem with surveillance is that it's limited by who/what analyses the data produced. Yes, they may have thousands of cameras around, but nobody can watch all cameras all the time, and even recordings are limited by storage capacity.

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There seems still a lot of issues with foods that maybe changing our Hormones..or giving us early aging issues..leading to mental problems... and is anyone like Trump going to put a stop to that ! ...
There's an ongoing dispute between the US and the EU about growth-inducing hormones use in cattle, with Europe banning the importing of beef with at least one hormone present and the US applying higher import tariffs to some EU products in retaliation. The WTO has supported the US point of view that the EU hasn't presented clear data that the hormones affect negatively the humans that eat the beef, while the EU says that the existence of a risk should be enough.
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: Eighthman on December 17, 2017, 11:06:02 am
Simpsons had a satire on the NSA in which there's a vast room filled with people watching computer screens and a lone observer yells out that's he's actually seen something useful.

The danger of surveillance is that AI will take over it and eliminate the problem of too many screens to watch. Also, the grave threat that bone-head liberals ignore is that unlimited monitoring means that the NSA/CIA has nearly complete veto power over all government in the US.  They can blackmail.expose/undermine anyone.

As for drugs or chemicals in food and water, I don't know but I am suspicious.  Corporate money will pay for a half dozen studies that exonerate their products while anything contrary barely gets done at all. This has been recently exposed about the sugar/processed food industry distorting the 'science' for decades.

Tsar Vladimir has decreed that Russia should be GMO-free.  If there are long term effects, Russia will benefit.

Corruption?  The most astonishing thing about corruption is how hidden it is in American society. You don't bribe politicians, you offer campaign contributions.  There are laws against fraud but the rich don't get prosecuted while poorer people get put under a magnifying glass.  The government doesn't steal, it just has 'asset forfeiture'.

In the USA, you don't have corruption because the PTB have legalized it.  Hence,  it doesn't exist by law.
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: Eighthman on December 17, 2017, 01:37:10 pm
https://www.facebook.com/AppreciateENG/videos/1700773490222456/

Hope that link works.  It illustrates what I mean by 'aliens must appreciate evolution'  as opposed to intervention. These changes were seen by re-introducing wolves that were part of a natural balance.  Lots of unintended consequences here - and a higher intelligence should be able to see that. 
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: space otter on December 17, 2017, 05:41:43 pm


hey 8th man

maybe you should do more reading here..just sayin

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6417.msg89682#msg89682



another thanks to rdunk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa5OBhXz-Q
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: robomont on December 17, 2017, 06:24:52 pm
The nsa really arent the problem,they are just garbage men.
Its the local level mafia that hold the power.
Ive done a very lengthy report on it over at amys tapyoureit.net
Just for the record,i just had psyche exam by psychiatrist for ssi,guess what ?
Im good.that means everything ive stated about my neighbors microwave is true,that means everything ive said about stalking by cops is true,that means my house getting shot by a cop with a radar gun for three nights that triggered my wifes schizophrenia is true!
My wifes been missing for over a month now and cops wont do a missing persons report on her because they assaulted her!
Just remember ,i once got banned for pointing out the cops being corrupt.i rest my case.i turn fifty tomorrow and i still say with all my heart,frig THE POLICE!
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: astr0144 on December 17, 2017, 06:37:20 pm
Good to hear the results of your test Robo.... that you now feel certain about what you believe what happened to you.

I just wish that you could have got someone to take action against those who targeted you...

Very disturbing if your Wife has gone missing and you dont know what may have happened to her  or that you have had issues with corrupt Police.  Hope you are able to find her ASAP..

Some of my comments refer to concerns about Authority figures, like Police and security who I believe now can have too much control or be a threat over the public for the smallest of things at times..

THats what I was saying that many of the local mafia (Police, Law system, DWP,  Social services, Tax system, FDA, Health system,  some security ,Military etc )as you describe are connected with working for the Authoritarian system, Govt , NSA controllers etc...and do their dirty work...now keeeping us all in check..

And some of us thought that we have had problems !


The nsa really arent the problem,they are just garbage men.
Its the local level mafia that hold the power.
Ive done a very lengthy report on it over at amys tapyoureit.net
Just for the record,i just had psyche exam by psychiatrist for ssi,guess what ?
Im good.that means everything ive stated about my neighbors microwave is true,that means everything ive said about stalking by cops is true,that means my house getting shot by a cop with a radar gun for three nights that triggered my wifes schizophrenia is true!
My wifes been missing for over a month now and cops wont do a missing persons report on her because they assaulted her!
Just remember ,i once got banned for pointing out the cops being corrupt.i rest my case.i turn fifty tomorrow and i still say with all my heart,frig THE POLICE!
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: robomont on December 17, 2017, 07:39:47 pm
Joy will be stripped from our hearts,their will be nothing but drudgery now.wait and see.absolute power,corrupts absolutely!
America is dead,the corpse being split up are the monopolies.the america i once knew anyways.in the future,each monopoly will be a godhood,you will work and worship it.they will look back on the boomers children and say,that generation never stood a chance,none after them did.the boomers killed....
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: astr0144 on December 18, 2017, 06:02:49 am
"and A.J" what ? not sure what your referring to ... But he was the 1st person to make me aware of such things..

ArMaP
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and Alex Jones.  :P

That seems to be the issue and problem to try to determine and see if something can be done to put a stop to it..

But it maybe that the Corrupters are  the Elite rich who thru what ever means are the untouchables !

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Corruption is an interesting thing, as people usually talk only about the corrupted side of things but do not talk about the corrupter. If there's corruption in politics it's because someone is investing money in that.
If you want to stop corruption you need to stop the corrupters.

To some degree I think in many cases for a large % of Cameras they may well be restricted in how they are viewed or how long the information is able to be stored for..  BUT also it maybe more modern cameras now hold a lot more data on them.. and certain cameras I think are highly monitored that are in areas of more importance..

but in general.. they are a huge advantage to the likes of the Police I would think... or anyone who needs or wants to track anyone...

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The problem with surveillance is that it's limited by who/what analyses the data produced. Yes, they may have thousands of cameras around, but nobody can watch all cameras all the time, and even recordings are limited by storage capacity.


There is also a main issue with things like "Bisphenol A" that is put in cans or packaging that effects the Endocrine System.  Things like the Soups and Tomatoe type sauces in spagetti or maybe baked beans... or cans of tuna and peas.. are causing us to obtain more Female Hormones....

I think its done  on a huge scale and the populations overall are unaware..

so males are either being feminized more or it seems it can give us cancers...

Are there any Food Companies that produce such canned foods that do not use BPA or other packaging that harms us I wonder ?  or are they all using it if say they are all connected with Bilderberg..


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BPA (a chemical used in aluminum cans and plastics) - a 'SYNTHETIC ESTROGEN'. This has been known for years. I knew about it because George works in the packaging industry, so I became familiar with what went into the manufacturing of plastics. I became concerned after my own breast cancer diagnosis, and started researching BPA. I'm glad they're finally making this so public. It was thought that some women who had breast cancer - got it due to being 'estrogen dominant'. Sounds like BPA fits right into this equation. Men have been developing breast cancer as well - could there be a connection there? Or how about women with endometriosis and/or infertility. Could there be a connection there? I'd like to see more studies done and take into consideration male breast cancer and endometriosis/infertility. The studies might prove interesting ....

Dr vom Saal has done some quite detailed research into things like BPA and changes in hormone levels and cancers from such foods..

New study from the vom Saal lab finds that BPA at very low levels can adversely affect developing organs in primates

This video shows some of the canned food and packaged products and the makes of the things he refers to and has tested..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=N3_cYZKksvI

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COLUMBIA, Mo. – Bisphenol A (BPA) is a chemical that is used in a wide variety of consumer products, such as resins used to line metal food and beverage containers, thermal paper store receipts, and dental composites. BPA exhibits hormone-like properties, and exposure of fetuses, infants, children or adults to the chemical has been shown to cause numerous abnormalities, including cancer, as well as reproductive, immune and brain-behavior problems in rodents. Now, researchers at the University of Missouri have determined that daily exposure to very low concentrations of BPA by pregnant females also can cause fetal abnormalities in primates.

“BPA is an endocrine disrupting chemical that has been demonstrated to alter signaling mechanisms involving estrogen, androgen and thyroid hormones,” said Frederick vom Saal, Curators Professor of Biological Sciences in the College of Arts and Science at MU. “Previous studies in rodents have demonstrated that maternal exposure to very low doses of BPA can significantly alter fetal development, resulting in a variety of adverse outcomes in the fetus. Our study is one of the first to show this also happens in primates.”

Although BPA is considered a toxic chemical in other countries such as Canada, the U.S. has been slow to address the issue, said vom Saal. Until now, most studies involving BPA have been conducted on laboratory mice and rats, leading U.S. regulatory agencies to call for studies in primates. With funding provided by the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences (NIEHS), a research institute of the National Institutes of Health, vom Saal and his colleagues studied the chemical’s blood levels in pregnant female rhesus monkeys and their fetuses, which are considered to be very similar to human fetuses.

After collecting tissue samples, other researchers analyzed the tissues to determine if BPA exposure was harmful to fetal development. Researchers found evidence of significant adverse effects in mammary glands, ovaries, brain, uterus, lung and heart tissues in BPA exposed fetus when compared to fetuses not exposed to BPA. The abnormalities were caused by levels of BPA in the monkey fetuses that were very similar to levels reported in previous studies of BPA in human fetuses.

“The very low-level exposure to BPA we delivered once a day to the rhesus monkeys is far less than the BPA levels humans are exposed to each day, which reflects multiple exposures,” vom Saal said. “Our findings suggest that traditional toxicological studies likely underestimate actual human exposure and show, unequivocally, that biologically active BPA passes from the mother to the fetus. Additionally, our latest study shows that BPA causes damage to developing systems of monkey fetuses, and this is of great concern for human fetuses.”

The study, “Bisphenol A (BPA) pharmacokinetics with daily oral bolus or continuous exposure via silastic capsules in pregnant rhesus monkeys: relevance for human exposures,” was funded in part by the NIEHS and was published in Reproductive Toxicology in collaboration with Catherine A. VandeVoort with the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology and the California National Primate Research Center at the University of California, Davis; Julia A. Taylor and Wade V. Welshons with the University of Missouri; Pierre-Louis Toutain with the Univesite de Toulouse; and Patricia A Hunt with the School of Molecular Biosciences at Washington State University
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http://biology.missouri.edu/news/new-study-from-the-vom-saal-lab-finds-that-bpa-at-very-low-levels-can-adversely-affect-developing-organs-in-primates/

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There's an ongoing dispute between the US and the EU about growth-inducing hormones use in cattle, with Europe banning the importing of beef with at least one hormone present and the US applying higher import tariffs to some EU products in retaliation. The WTO has supported the US point of view that the EU hasn't presented clear data that the hormones affect negatively the humans that eat the beef, while the EU says that the existence of a risk should be enough.
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: Littleenki on December 18, 2017, 08:17:42 am
Firstly..understand the chain of command regarding leadership...like an organism, there are fractal segments of the self same host, and from the single person at the top, to the lowest person in the food chain, the psychopathy we observe is often just a product of the entirety of the whole.

Sure we get our cross wired brained folks like the Hitlers, Maos, Stalins, Clintons..etc...but as a general rule, people are not born as psychopaths.

A politician cannot employ pressure on someone, without the police executing warrants and such, a local mayor cannot make "progress" in most situations, without consent and support of regional politicians and administrative members..

A governor cannot begin to effect any major changes on a state without the backing of large federally funded contracts in many cases...

A congressman cannot bring forth new legislation, without due process and a whole host of supporting characters making it happen.

A president, if showing truly psychopathic features, will ultimately become irrelevant sooner than later without the support of equally psychopathic minions. (See: Bush 1 and 2)

This thread began with a question/request for an answer to political psychopathy...

Political psychopathy is often brought to work by politicians who exhibited or acquired psychopathic tendencies from a young age, and rode that wave of psychopathy to power, thanks to the general condition of the population being apathy and disinterest unless it directly affects someone to the point of suffering or discord.

Psychopathy is often misdefined as well, as crazy, murderous, or just an inability to assimilate with society, but..the real threat of the psychopath, is the ability to blend and morph into whatever form is necessary for the eventual desired result.

The cure for psychopathy begins at the home level, where the parents who show psychopathic tendencies, will usually raise equally or even more complex psychologically damaged products in their offspring.

So, how do we deal with psychopaths in places of power?

We dont, especially considering the psychopathic mindset is often dovetailed in with a propensity to control every aspect of the psychopath's surroundings.

As long as humans allow psychopaths to inject their brains with material and programming which lays out a neat tidy path for them to reach their goals, the cycle will continue.

My suggestions:
1: avoid all mainstream media/entertainment.
2: use logic and reason to make all decisions regarding one's life
3: observe what seems wrong, and make sure that you remember that feeling you get when you feel wronged..it will guide you.
4: reject those who exhibit psychopathic tendencies in your life, and offer them zero support in their's, as a psychopath is also often a narcissist, and will feed off your attempts to change or help them.
5: Avoid knee jerk reactions to what news and information you are presented with, however it might wake some sort of place in your mind that supercedes number 2 here. (see: flat earth, or any variety of ridiculous theories and ideas proposed by psychologically damaged individuals or entities)

Do flat earth morons really think the earth is flat?
Do people who feel aliens are controlling us like puppets have a valid point?
Is everyone out to get you, and creating a basis of fear in your life?

Your decision...choose with care.

A wise otter has surely presented some concise points here, whereas those who unwittingly leave themselves open to be controlled, will ultimately be controlled.

And as many mystics and spiritual folks have blathered on about for millenia..fix yourself, before you see fit to fix others.

This universe is a puzzle..with a solution...and the word solution suggests melding into another, to form a single oneness....

Identifying some as psychopathic, may only be valid if the judgement scale is used relative to the entirety of the test base.

Truly being psychopathic is mainly a result of environment, brain chemistry and neural activity, which if addressed early, will be solved sooner...but making sure we know who the real psychopaths are, is of utmost importance to reach such a lofty goal, if we are to end the rule of the head, to force the suffering toils of the feet.

Cheers
Le
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: ArMaP on December 18, 2017, 01:54:21 pm
Just for the record,i just had psyche exam by psychiatrist for ssi,guess what ?
Im good.that means everything ive stated about my neighbors microwave is true,that means everything ive said about stalking by cops is true,that means my house getting shot by a cop with a radar gun for three nights that triggered my wifes schizophrenia is true!
No, it doesn't mean that all those things are true.
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: ArMaP on December 18, 2017, 02:23:11 pm
"and A.J" what ? not sure what your referring to ...
What I meant is that A. J. does his own dumbing down, so he can get more viewers and get money from their views.

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That seems to be the issue and problem to try to determine and see if something can be done to put a stop to it..

But it maybe that the Corrupters are  the Elite rich who thru what ever means are the untouchables !
If they are corrupters then that means that have no real power, as they have to resort to corruption to get what they want, so they are not untouchable.

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To some degree I think in many cases for a large % of Cameras they may well be restricted in how they are viewed or how long the information is able to be stored for..  BUT also it maybe more modern cameras now hold a lot more data on them.. and certain cameras I think are highly monitored that are in areas of more importance..
Cameras don't have storage, if they had you just had to destroy the camera to destroy the stored video.

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but in general.. they are a huge advantage to the likes of the Police I would think... or anyone who needs or wants to track anyone...
Sure they are, that's why they were accepted.

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There is also a main issue with things like "Bisphenol A" that is put in cans or packaging that effects the Endocrine System.  Things like the Soups and Tomatoe type sauces in spagetti or maybe baked beans... or cans of tuna and peas.. are causing us to obtain more Female Hormones....
Show me the effects of those female hormones and I may believe that.

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Are there any Food Companies that produce such canned foods that do not use BPA or other packaging that harms us I wonder ?  or are they all using it if say they are all connected with Bilderberg..
Companies use what's cheaper, so if BPA is a cheaper way that's what they will use.

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Dr vom Saal has done some quite detailed research into things like BPA and changes in hormone levels and cancers from such foods..
Change in hormone levels caused by BPA is not the same thing as people getting more female hormones. The text you posted shows that the effects found on the study are not the effects of more estrogen, they appear to be effects of disruption of the functioning of the hormones.
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: ArMaP on December 18, 2017, 02:47:02 pm
1: avoid all mainstream media/entertainment.
Considering the alternatives, I disagree. While mainstream media/entertainment (although I don't know what do you include in the "entertainment" category) is usually biased towards the powerful, alternative media is, in many cases, biased against whatever mainstream media says.

My suggestion is: look at both, that way it would be easier to find a more balanced view.

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4: reject those who exhibit psychopathic tendencies in your life, and offer them zero support in their's, as a psychopath is also often a narcissist, and will feed off your attempts to change or help them.
That's another problem, many people will use the psychopaths because they can be useful for those people's intentions, while they stay in the background, so rejecting the psychopaths may lead just to the search of a different psychopath by the people that were using the first one.

Unfortunately, I don't have a better suggestion. :(

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5: Avoid knee jerk reactions to what news and information you are presented with, however it might wake some sort of place in your mind that supercedes number 2 here. (see: flat earth, or any variety of ridiculous theories and ideas proposed by psychologically damaged individuals or entities)
I agree, that's why my suggestion is always "be sceptical". You don't need to accept or deny the things you are presented (regardless of their source), being sceptical allows you to look at things from a different perspective and avoid the extreme positions.

In conclusion, my suggestions are: be sceptical, try to be logical (sometimes it's not easy, specially when we're talking about our's or our loved ones' life and well-being)  and get more than one point of view for all things.

As we are talking about political psychopaths, a political example: Hilary Clinton may be a psychopath, but where did those "she is very sick" and "she is going to die soon" theories that were discussed on many places (this included)? Being logical and sceptical about it would help with looking for independent confirmation. If you could find independent confirmation then looking for more than one point of view would help confirm the independence of the above mentioned "independent confirmation".

But before the elections we would see only people denying all the theories against her and people accepting all the theories. If both stopped to think and look for confirmation they could see that those "news" were most likely created to make people see her as a psychopath so they would not notice that the ones behind the scenes (the ones using the psychopaths) were just promoting a new psychopath.
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: astr0144 on December 20, 2017, 03:58:23 am
No doubt there may be some issues with A.J ... in terms on the entruprener side of how he may run his website...
But no one is forced to buy anything, and he offers his views.. I suspect for many viewers that they were often not aware of what he says..  Whether what he says is truth or not.. may often never be easy to determine...but it may help some to have means to question things that they may have never considered.

I think in the early days to new viewers, Maybe some do or can believe a lot of what he says.. and for me, in some of the time I used to watch him, IMO at times he has made me aware of certain things that I would never have questioned..  but he has also made some errors that admittedly could be concerning..

egs of that .. he did for a time seem quite convincing when he claimed to prove Ombarmas Birth Certificate had been faked...   and even Donald Trump seemed concerned to question Obaman about it at the time..But if I recall some months or maybe 2 yrs later... I  think it got proven to be a mistake by A.J..

Another eg where A.J may have been correct on a similar major issue..was his suggestion that Bin Larden was not killed by the Seal team that we were led to believe..

He has often admittedly brought up many of the conspiracy theories... where some no doubt are being questioned..
like Chemtrials as an eg.... then he brought up things like the Govt effecting our water and foods..thru various means.
Then he has had his so called experts give their opinions that backed it up... but at the same time as always seems the case there are many other experts that will oppose that..

So... looking at things later... maybe one then requestions certain things he may have suggested and can ask is things what he has suggested as yet been proven..

I suppose its just part of ones evolvement and learning process we go thru..


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What I meant is that A. J. does his own dumbing down, so he can get more viewers and get money from their views.

Well so far if they exist, It seems that they have avoided being caught... and it does seem that the system if its as corrupt as maybe has seemed to have been made out (depending on ones views) then It would seem a huge challenge to cure it..

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If they are corrupters then that means that have no real power, as they have to resort to corruption to get what they want, so they are not untouchable.

I think cameras record, but the data it records is or can be held on a recording device.. like a hard drive.. and some modern hard drives today hold a lot of data.. and maybe that have other devices that will now hold even more huge ammounts of data...almost what maybe claimed as vertually as much as they want to record and hold...

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Cameras don't have storage, if they had you just had to destroy the camera to destroy the stored video

Maybe some of the suggested transgender issues that are being discussed are partly to do with such effects..

Another A.J claim was that he believed that many males were having changes in their ways... which is claimed is due to the effects of hormones being placed in our foods and drugs.. where some men may have desires to put on lipsick or dress more femine etc.. or maybe there are changes in how they look... where their facial features may alter to look more feminie or some are growing breasts..

But I will say I do not believe its effecting all males... as I do not see such changes occurring in such a way you may see such evidence in a set large % of the male population.

I maybe however that they could be natural differences in males where some just have  a more masculine side to them and some have a feminine side to them..

but other sexoligists may suggest we all have our masculine and feminine sides to us all.. in one way or another..

I think the question for me is however , would be does it seems maybe that its seeming now a much higher occurrance say in our children or the newer generation that is deleveloping for the new generation.

When we see the Schools etc making   all these new ideas about sexuality... and making suggestions its OK to let your children chose if they want to wear say female clothing...

well there is the arguement.. whats cloths to do with ones identity.. in reality it may have no real conection to it..
and Its often been said many males like to conect with cross dressing etc for their own personal sexual arousal reasons etc...

BUT some parents would NOT want to have the children be possibly brain washed say into allowing their sons dress on a basis of some authority figures suggestings its ok to do so.. as often children can be too young and have not matured enough to make such choices..

I think many of us would at some time have read books or articles about sexuality from the so called believed by many experts.... and maybe before the Internet.. would have only read certain books avilable at the time..

so people became aware of such experts views and opinions of these so called experts like Sigmund Freud

he wrote a famour book that I believe many people read and maybe believed in his views and many may still do so..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigmund_Freud

He came out with many theories about sexuality  and suggested that a scales to measure how we all rated..

where you have the extreme of hetrosexual on one side and homosexual on the other side with bisexual in the middle.

But I think since there has been many other ideas to dismiss a lot what has had suggested..

I think in truth be known... theres too many factors to easily make any conclusion.. but I suppose we may all have have our own views to some extent one way or other..

I suppose in the modern erra today... there are now many more ideas or views  about sexulaity and how we are ..

and for some the new ideas we see being suggested maybe seen as Modern views of such topics..

But another side to it is .. some believe that the Governement are partly responsible for trying to manipulate us into accpting many of these new ideas .. becuase they want people to have less children and its there way to reduce the population... without having  war ! like it used to be as some maybe believe...

I recall some years ago, some one I used to listen to who many people used to follow on a radio station  (before the Internet )who was was very good to listen to at the time for his extreme views and he would tell the listeners things tat often they were unaware about.. or dicuss topics not easily avilable to know about thru other means..

Overall I found a lot what he used to talk about often interesting and informative..

BUT I recall one thing that he would often say .. and that was it did not matter if you decide to have children...
and this during the time that there had been severe recession for a certain younger generation..

Now did he really mean that.... or was he saying it to go along with a Govt type of conspiracy..

and I do suspect a lot of people considered his views... as being accepted..

BUT later in life when I learned about other things to do with conspiracies... and learned that the Govt may have wanted us to reduce famly sizes...  or whos aim is to cut populations..

THEN.. I SORT OF Could suggest that the radio presenter was well wrong in what he did at that time...

and maybe for a lot of familiies they have not had as many as many children as maybe they should have !


 I think a lot of what you expeience and how you make judgement on it..

and often life is just a lottery... as to what we all may or may not do..

Often we may at stages thru life consider what we think maybe some more expert guidence or suggestions..
BUT equally often it can prove to be invalid or of little or no use ...

BUt At the same time ..I think we all need or would like the right guidence if we can find it and its trustworthy..

again that can take a lot of attempts to find and time taken before we may consider accepting it....

and also often we just never do find  what we may desire...unfortunately for some..

where as others can be very lucky and obtain it early on in life..


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Show me the effects of those female hormones and I may believe that.

Thats Ok being cheaper if BPA is NOT a threat or concern... BUT if it is a possible threatto us in the ways suggested.. then it needs to be addressed and we need to replace it with something safe..

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Companies use what's cheaper, so if BPA is a cheaper way that's what they will use.

I am not educated enough to know about what you suggest...

In this case its a question do I consider some of the things beings suggested about it and in the case of the Doctor I refer to.. He may have been one of the only Doctors to have claimed to have tested the various foods or packaging etc and, if he and some other type scientists maybe connected to the likes  of A.J are sying its a concern...and maybe if one believes that the Govt could do such things... then... that maybe why one would still have concerns about it..

How one proves it is hard to say ...

For those Scientists who work for Govts..and if they are corrupt. it may well be in their interests to always oppose such claims..

I think another reason I have always considered such things is because I had read a book some years ago that informed me a lot of what the Likes of A.J has talked about.. and I think as time has gone on.. Ive become more aware as to to how I do believe Govts are corrupt... so thats why I am more likely to believe it..

but its only my opinion..

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Change in hormone levels caused by BPA is not the same thing as people getting more female hormones. The text you posted shows that the effects found on the study are not the effects of more estrogen, they appear to be effects of disruption of the functioning of the hormones.

Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: astr0144 on December 20, 2017, 05:01:39 am
You attempt to make some possible valid points in what we may consider L.E..

I suspect some of them  that you made, that  we could / or would maybe come to those conclusions at some stage..

or no doubt some may either not do so, or may have have other thoughts on certain things some time later..
like we all make changes in how we may view things at times.

Being controlled or being in Fear of certain things...be it ETs or Govts or people...

Maybe if we live long enough , usually something will effect us negatively...I would think..

But I will say at some stages in our lifes.... either we was never aware or it was just certain people that had negative effects on us..

But in terms of ETS and Govts... say entering my own Psyche.. thats mainly in the more recent last 10 years...

and its hard to say just how such things may have effected people who consider such things...

I we all have ways to totally dismiss any of such concerns or theories if we wish...

but at the same time the older and more knowledgabel we become.. the more potential fears we learn about...
and I do think there can be a sort of point where its is hard to ignore if one has become aware of a certain degree of possible facts..


and as I often now say.. we are all different and decipher things in various ways..

we do look may often look at or consider  others views, sometimes  they or we may be right, often we or them are wrong !

I think often there are just so many things that are hard to consider and to feel or believe that we have the right solutions..


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So, how do we deal with psychopaths in places of power?

We dont, especially considering the psychopathic mindset is often dovetailed in with a propensity to control every aspect of the psychopath's surroundings.

As long as humans allow psychopaths to inject their brains with material and programming which lays out a neat tidy path for them to reach their goals, the cycle will continue.

My suggestions:
1: avoid all mainstream media/entertainment.
2: use logic and reason to make all decisions regarding one's life
3: observe what seems wrong, and make sure that you remember that feeling you get when you feel wronged..it will guide you.
4: reject those who exhibit psychopathic tendencies in your life, and offer them zero support in their's, as a psychopath is also often a narcissist, and will feed off your attempts to change or help them.
5: Avoid knee jerk reactions to what news and information you are presented with, however it might wake some sort of place in your mind that supercedes number 2 here. (see: flat earth, or any variety of ridiculous theories and ideas proposed by psychologically damaged individuals or entities)

Do flat earth morons really think the earth is flat?
Do people who feel aliens are controlling us like puppets have a valid point?
Is everyone out to get you, and creating a basis of fear in your life?

Your decision...choose with care.

A wise otter has surely presented some concise points here, whereas those who unwittingly leave themselves open to be controlled, will ultimately be controlled.

And as many mystics and spiritual folks have blathered on about for millenia..fix yourself, before you see fit to fix others.

This universe is a puzzle..with a solution...and the word solution suggests melding into another, to form a single oneness....

Identifying some as psychopathic, may only be valid if the judgement scale is used relative to the entirety of the test base.

Truly being psychopathic is mainly a result of environment, brain chemistry and neural activity, which if addressed early, will be solved sooner...but making sure we know who the real psychopaths are, is of utmost importance to reach such a lofty goal, if we are to end the rule of the head, to force the suffering toils of the feet.

Cheers
Le

Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: ArMaP on December 20, 2017, 06:56:28 pm
I suspect for many viewers that they were often not aware of what he says..  Whether what he says is truth or not.. may often never be easy to determine...but it may help some to have means to question things that they may have never considered.
Questioning things is good, when we question all sides, not just one, and all those people with TV/radio/Internet shows are one-sided.

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I think cameras record, but the data it records is or can be held on a recording device.. like a hard drive.. and some modern hard drives today hold a lot of data.. and maybe that have other devices that will now hold even more huge ammounts of data...almost what maybe claimed as vertually as much as they want to record and hold...
Even with image compression, low frame rates and monochromatic images, video takes a lot of storage space, and when we are talking about thousands of cameras recording all day long then we can see that they would need huge data centres only for that.

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Another A.J claim was that he believed that many males were having changes in their ways... which is claimed is due to the effects of hormones being placed in our foods and drugs.. where some men may have desires to put on lipsick or dress more femine etc.. or maybe there are changes in how they look... where their facial features may alter to look more feminie or some are growing breasts..
One common side effect that is not mentioned (because it doesn't happen) is that female hormones in men reduce the number, size and width of body and face hair. My father was taking a hormone based medicine for his prostate cancer, and he had a big reduction in body hair and a small reduction in facial hair. His face didn't change and he didn't start growing breasts. So, when someone talks about female hormones in the food or water I expect to see the effects, but I do not.

Also, extra female hormones in women also have side effects that are not visible in the general population.

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When we see the Schools etc making   all these new ideas about sexuality... and making suggestions its OK to let your children chose if they want to wear say female clothing...
What people dress is not sexuality case, it's a sociology case.

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BUT some parents would NOT want to have the children be possibly brain washed say into allowing their sons dress on a basis of some authority figures suggestings its ok to do so.. as often children can be too young and have not matured enough to make such choices..
Saying that they can wear what they want is not brainwashing, is it? You aren't talking about male professors dressing as women, are you?

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I think many of us would at some time have read books or articles about sexuality from the so called believed by many experts.... and maybe before the Internet.. would have only read certain books avilable at the time..
Never did. :)

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But another side to it is .. some believe that the Governement are partly responsible for trying to manipulate us into accpting many of these new ideas .. becuase they want people to have less children and its there way to reduce the population... without having  war ! like it used to be as some maybe believe...
Where does the government get money from? People. Why would they want less people?

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Thats Ok being cheaper if BPA is NOT a threat or concern... BUT if it is a possible threatto us in the ways suggested.. then it needs to be addressed and we need to replace it with something safe..
The problem with things like this is that it takes time to get results, and with the weight of all the industry using it to support the use of BPA, anyone that wants to stop its use needs to have a strong case against it, and that takes years.
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: astr0144 on December 25, 2017, 03:18:33 am
Many TV , radio or Internet shows can be one sided, But I dont believe all are at all...I see some (and one main well known one in the UK ) a policical type show where its a total debate with opposing views..

BUT I dont disagree that on the likes of Alex Jones show... he does not seem to have any one questioning him..or opposing what he says....  IT would have been good if he would allow you to question some things that he says !  :)
and maybe put him in his place at times...

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Questioning things is good, when we question all sides, not just one, and all those people with TV/radio/Internet shows are one-sided.

I think you are probably right onn what you say on this.. the reason is I know someone who had something stolen in outside a large known supermarket.. and when they asked the security about it... they said that they only held footage for upto 30 days...

When you go in supermarkets etc and you think your being severely watched. maybe often we are not... but it could be being recorded and only if say later someone had stolen something... and some how the security then found out.. they may be able to look back at any recordedings to try to view footage of such an event... but be often that many a thief could generally steal on many occasion and never really get challenegd unless its been later detected..

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Even with image compression, low frame rates and monochromatic images, video takes a lot of storage space, and when we are talking about thousands of cameras recording all day long then we can see that they would need huge data centres only for that.

Yes I believe loss of facial hair is one of the major things with the effects of say estrogen or female type hormone treatment or if we were being given it to us in our food and water intakes.

but as you say its not effecting all males.... but is it also a degree of a males testorone levels also...where some have more than others so would be less effected... or it will take longer to effect them.. the psycholoical or personality effects of such a thing however maybe harder to detct if it is happening to us..

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One common side effect that is not mentioned (because it doesn't happen) is that female hormones in men reduce the number, size and width of body and face hair. My father was taking a hormone based medicine for his prostate cancer, and he had a big reduction in body hair and a small reduction in facial hair. His face didn't change and he didn't start growing breasts. So, when someone talks about female hormones in the food or water I expect to see the effects, but I do not.

Also, extra female hormones in women also have side effects that are not visible in the general population.


In reality, I think that is true.. and I think I made a ref to that... but in general society.. it maybe some people are now psychologially maybe choosing to want to appear more femine by dressing in such ways...

and no doubt there will be some arguements that many may get pleasure from such  things and who is anyone to make a judgement against them..

but I think what A.J is trying to suggest that in his opinion.. is that many could start to accept things that maybe that should not be doing.. if for eg they then decide that they want to become more femine like and maybe not pro-create...
as some of them may have been sort of brainwashed into a longer period of time..

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What people dress is not sexuality case, it's a sociology case.


I think many people especially maybe more so today..(Although I believe its also occurred thru out history) that its now much more acceptable..    I do recall a few years back and some years prior of a MAJOR UK SUNDAY Paper read by millions... having a Doctor who used to write a colome each week on relationship and health issues etc..
and discuss many a sexual issue especially to youths... where he would say its purely ok for young men to wear female underware.. as no doubt for many a male.. such clothing is sen as sexual... and in that case for many its some sort of sexual stimulation..and relief !  ???

BUT NOW having considering what Alex Jones has suggested... I have to question was all that also part of the NWO plan if they have been doing such things over the years...as using the media in that way may be part of the brin washing process..

Im not sure what you mean by Male Professors dressing in female clothing.... But from various things that Ive read or seen on TV over some years... that anyone can dress in such ways..no matter what status one may have.. :)


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Saying that they can wear what they want is not brainwashing, is it? You aren't talking about male professors dressing as women, are you?


Maybe or mybe not for the best.... one could read such things and later ideas change and it would had been a waste of your time if you had... on the other side of the coin, sometimes we need to research several theories to try to make some sort of possible undertanding of such topics.. and maybe try to make some conclusions..

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Never did. :)


I recall you mentioning this in some other similar discussions...

From somethings that I have read or seen on Video... the Govt have well more than enough money..or a least power over it or what ever may happen in the economy as they see fit..

SO if they do decide they populations reducing... such things as peoples taxes would not be any issue to them..

some people also believe money is just an illusion...they have wrote off some Countries  huge debts out in past..tat should had cost billions..

We may see houses worth thousands or products being sold for various prices... but some people write newsletters that they they sell on a couple of sheets of paper or sell say online magazines.. that may appear to in theory be worth very little if anything... but may charge $100s of dollars for it each month...and have thousands of clients..

sometimes it hard to determine value.. what in reality is money ?

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Where does the government get money from? People. Why would they want less people?

That unfortunately can of ten be the case... BUT if some experts believe that they have a strong enough case or evidence... you would think that there should be ways to get things chaned much quicker..

like for eg how Donald trump once in power has put an end to obama care..

admittedly he is one of very few who could have such power to do so, in such short times..

but I think a lot of his thinking has been also from stuff hes learned from Alex Jones.. as Jones has often made ref to him having been listening to him.

but we never realy know for sure what maybe going on or if theres more to it.. than we may think..

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The problem with things like this is that it takes time to get results, and with the weight of all the industry using it to support the use of BPA, anyone that wants to stop its use needs to have a strong case against it, and that takes years.

There also could be another side to all this...

MAYBE the Earths population is getting to big.. and th Govt are using what they may hink is a more humane way to reduce birthrates by effecting peoples hormones... rather than having wars...


Also many males will see if other males have become more feminised... that they then have less competition for females..

There are aso theories that certain races maybe effected more than others by it... and that maybe the immigration things that have been going on are to promote more interracial relationships or to produce more children from it on that basis..  as some certain male  migrants may not have been effected by the long term of effects of the Europeon / USA or western Worlds diet or water...

I think I could consider that as being a possibility..


Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: Eighthman on December 25, 2017, 05:47:03 am
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-reached-last-stage-before-collapse-2017-12

This is a shocking article. Yes, anybody can write anything radical and put it on a fringe site but BI is as mainstream and Deep State as it gets- and the original is from Foreign Policy magazine which is even more  pro establishment.

Maybe even the 'rat bastards' at the top are awakening to the rot they've created.
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: ArMaP on December 25, 2017, 06:12:45 am
From somethings that I have read or seen on Video... the Govt have well more than enough money..or a least power over it or what ever may happen in the economy as they see fit..

SO if they do decide they populations reducing... such things as peoples taxes would not be any issue to them..
If they have enough money why don't they reduce taxes? People would support them more if they did.

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some people also believe money is just an illusion...they have wrote off some Countries  huge debts out in past..tat should had cost billions..
Yes, but those are investments, when you write off a country's debt that country feels obliged to support the actions and companies of the country that wrote off their debt.

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We may see houses worth thousands or products being sold for various prices... but some people write newsletters that they they sell on a couple of sheets of paper or sell say online magazines.. that may appear to in theory be worth very little if anything... but may charge $100s of dollars for it each month...and have thousands of clients..
In our societies, things are worth the amount people want to pay for it, that's why some jobs pay next to nothing and other jobs pay well, why some houses are worth a lot and other houses little.

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like for eg how Donald trump once in power has put an end to obama care..
That was a political decision, not a decision based on scientific studies, political decisions are always fast.  :P
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: The Seeker on December 25, 2017, 08:33:40 am
99% of what you read or hear on the internet and from peeps like Alex Jones and Glenn Beck is


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/cow-methane.jpg)

 8) ::) :P
Title: Re: An Answer To Political Psychopaths?
Post by: Shasta56 on December 26, 2017, 05:58:32 pm
I think flaming cow farts might actually be front page news.  My ex had a similar problem with Mexican food.  It was a love/hate relationship.

Shasta