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Title: Radient Receivers
Post by: Back on March 24, 2013, 11:26:35 am
Hi All

I have finally started this thread with a lot of encouragement from Luke. I feel that I need to give some back ground before I get in details.

Three years ago I had never heard of radiant energy receivers or Henry Moray an just knew a little about Tesla. I became intrested in radiant energy on day when I heard a couple of guys talking about it. The on guy claimed that he was powering his barn with it.That really got me going. I started looking into then.

I found utube video ect that most of you have probally seen. I built a couple circuits and was excited when I was able to get a led to light. That was it and after a few months I lost intrest.

Part 2

Call it luck or Devinne intervention ( wont get religious) The guy was transferred to my department. after some time I was able to talk to the guy about his receiver. To make it short he did admit that he was able to power his barn with his receiver and the 120v in his house. To my disappointment he would not tell me how to do it. He did say it took him 20 years to get to this point study Tesla and Moray. As time went on I would tell him what I had learned. He would smile and say that is good to know.

Part 3

About 8 months ago I finally called him out. To my surprise he said I will show you. In his barn I saw a Tesla style flat plate antenna. going into a box. A wire going to a common copper ground rod. Out of the box wires going to a bank of 4 car batteries. Hooked to the batteries was a 5000 watt inverter.

Sorry if this is boring but I had to say it.
I wish that I could give the guy credit but he doesn't want the exposier.

Part 4 starts to get into details.

Bless
Shawn
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Back on March 25, 2013, 02:04:34 pm
Thanks all that has read this so far. I have a short attention span when it comes to typing :(

Part 4
About 1 month after that he either took pity on me or got tired of me pestering him. He finally told me that you have an oscillator in it or it is just a toy.

If you search the internet looking for a radiant energy receiver using an oscillator you will find a few and fewer that might seem to work. I have spent the last 6 months reading about harmonics,resonant frequency, beat and music.

The circuit that i found that was most promising was posted in 2005 i think. Today I was able to back track and find the original site. It was updated this year and the circuit is no longer there. Maybe 15 posts.I will work on that  and see if it is still alive.

I hope in the next few days I will be able to post the schematic so we can comment on it.
Bless
Shawn
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: zorgon on March 25, 2013, 08:02:05 pm
Okay so when I was a little wee lad  I had one of these...

(http://paradelle.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/crookes_radiometer.jpg?w=210&h=273)

...so can we make a big one and call it a Solar Turbine?

 :o

 ::)
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: zorgon on March 25, 2013, 08:14:03 pm
Can we start by getting a definition of "Radiant Energy"?

From my point of view it is energy radiating from the sun... or other source. In that sense there would be many different types of "Radiant Energy Receivers"

I am assuming you have a specific one in mind?

Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: zorgon on March 25, 2013, 08:50:54 pm
Radiant Energy Device...  pocket lighter/fire starter

(http://ursispaltenstein.ch/blog/images/uploads_img/sundancesolar.jpg)

On a larger scale

SEGS (Solar Energy Generating Systems)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Smallsketch.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Solarplant-050406-04.jpg)
Solar Energy Generating Systems solar power plants III-VII at Mojave Desert, California

So here we have the Radiant Energy focused on a pipe...

Heat transfer

The sunlight bounces off the mirrors and is directed to a central tube filled with synthetic oil, which heats to over 400 °C (750 °F). The reflected light focused at the central tube is 71 to 80 times more intense than the ordinary sunlight. The synthetic oil transfers its heat to water, which boils and drives the Rankine cycle steam turbine, thereby generating electricity. Synthetic oil is used to carry the heat (instead of water) to keep the pressure within manageable parameters
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: kdog on March 25, 2013, 09:37:22 pm
Are you sure he wasn't playing with you and it was just a few solar panels hooked up to a charging system with batteries and an inverter.

Because it sure sounds like my set up.
Just asking,nothing more.

Peace,
K
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on March 25, 2013, 09:59:50 pm
Not just 'solar' energy.
A radiant reciever can pick up a very broad spectrum, not only EM but cosmic rays etc.
I have some info to add here, will try to post it in a few days.
Good one, Back ;D
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: zorgon on March 25, 2013, 10:10:59 pm
not only EM but cosmic rays etc.

Well back in High School they told me Cosmic Rays were on the Em spectrum :P

But yeah I think Paul Brown's nuclear battery worked by absorbing gamma rays directly like a solar cell converts light.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: kdog on March 25, 2013, 10:11:42 pm
I understand how it could work,with my background in electronics,but the signal is so weak,how would one amplify it without losing efficiency?
How would you generate enough electricity to actually be able to use it practically.

The flat panels described sounded more like a solar panel then an antennae array of some sort.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: kdog on March 25, 2013, 10:20:09 pm
So,a whole lot of tin foil that could be use as a trickle charger for the battery bank.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: starwarp2000 on March 25, 2013, 11:31:54 pm
Tesla used 'insulated' aluminum plates suspended above the ground. You can duplicate them by using Lamination blanks and Aluminium Sheets. (Lamination Blanks: You know, you use then to laminate paper to preserve it :) )

Radiant energy is everywhere, it comes from Galaxies, Stars, Planets and Atoms.... it pervades space and flows everywhere :)

The fact that the plates are 'insulated' means this isn't normal electricity that utilises current! It is a 'currentless' energy :)
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: kdog on March 25, 2013, 11:53:11 pm
Define currentless energy.
Never heard of that.

There has to be some sort of movement of electrons to make any thing happen.
Take a fully charged capacitor,which seems to be what you are describing.Nothing is going untill you discharge it,thus the electrons are moving creating a current operating the load,ie a motor or lightbulb..

I guess I need to be enlightened.

It sounds like you are describing a battery that is charged by radiant energy.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: kdog on March 26, 2013, 12:11:28 am
Hey,starwarp,just trying to undo all my working knowledge of how electricity works.
Then I saw your signature.

Once physicists grabbed hold of electricity all knowledge of it ceased. Electrons have nothing to do with the flow of electricity. Electrons are the rate at which electricity is destroyed. Electrons are the resistance.

So,if electrons are destroyed,which is plausible,how do they get there? do they flow there or not.do they just go poof and they are gone?

I'm just an old elevator dude with an associate degree in electronics from 30 years ago.
So,
I'm willing to learn.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on March 26, 2013, 02:06:47 pm
Just passing through..

Thank you Starwarp, spot on.I remember reading that Tesla used highly polished plates for more efficiency.
Has anyone tried this?
Yes Kdog, there is limitless energy all around us, enough even, to warp time, create matter etc etc.
You see how everything is linked to everything else? ;)

Later!
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Back on March 27, 2013, 06:31:43 am
Hi All
Thanks for all the replies. I was to sick to reply yesterday but am feeling some what better today.

Kdog
I do understand your concern about it being a hoax. If it was it was very elaborate. He would of had to drill holes in the concrete floor for extra wires. I also saw the plate antenna. I also received a degree in electronic engineering in 1990. I have mostly worked in a manufacturing plant since then. The things that I have run across the last few years has made me rethink all I thought I new about electricity. By the way the guy I have been talking about is a Master electrician.

OK my Plate antenna Is galvanized steel and insulated with clear spray plastic. 7redorbs convinced me to go with that plate. He is a pretty smart guy. I cant say that I really remember why other than it has something to do with the zinc.

My thoughts on how the circuit can get such a large out put changes at times. The circuit is really just a L C tank. A simple amplifier. I believe that the circuit is amplifying a harmonic of the earths resonant frequency. If that is true then selecting a starting point for the frequency is just a guess. My best guess is 60KHZ it is the close 60Th harmonic if the earth resonant frequency and a multiple of 60HZ  :o

Bless
Back
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Littleenki on March 27, 2013, 08:03:36 am
Wouldnt one want to tune it to the Schumann resonance?

And yes, highly polished is the key....even TT Brown mentions it somewhere in something I read once in a patent for one of his apparatus'.

I think TT Brown's rocks would have some pretty good advice to share with us..remember rock fm anyone? PWM? 8)


So for a device which just capitalizes on the differences between the telluric currents and the currents which are present in every level of altitude from the ground to space, height should play a big part, and also tuning the circuit to operate on similar frequencies as these differentials, which are really just electrostatic potential imbalances.

Id say there might be some serious winding and rewinding to do to get it right, and thats why the guy doesnt want to share 100%, it took him a loooong time to determine the right setup...and once it becomes common knowledge, he doesnt hold the secret anymore.

The zinc is good because it allows for better ion migration into the plate itself, sort of like a mesh to straighten the flow I believe....and once the device begins to flow, it,like a siphon, will run indefinitely. Something here is akin to the PMH also, where the incessant flow of magnetic current in the charged PMH wont dwindle until the connecting bar has been removed.

Once the flow is achieved in a device such as a PMH, or radiant receiver, it will absorb the cosmic rays with ease, and allow for an overunity device to be fashioned.

Such is transmission line theory, for A/C current, whereas the flowing current will absorb cosmic energy through the wire and actually bolster the power flowing through the line.

7red calls it "pulling in the magnets"

Great thread Back!

Cheers!
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on March 27, 2013, 02:43:32 pm
Some great input here :D

yes, wer'e on the right track.
Shawn sent me some diagrams i will post them in the morning 8)

Quote
I think TT Brown's rocks would have some pretty good advice to share with us..remember rock fm anyone? PWM?

yes i do, and you must have your telepathy switched on again Dave, because i have been studying some docs on that very subject, about 2000 pages to be exact :P

Here is a small clip:

Quote
Relic and other HFGWs were the subjects discussed at the Second
International HFGW Workshop (http://earthtech.org/hfgw2/) held at the Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin (IASA), Texas in September of 2007. Scientists from the United States, China, Russia and Italy presented and discussed their HFGW research.
Presentations included Ultra-High Sensitivity HFGW detectors
(with sensitivities that might reach HFGW amplitudes as small as 10-34), means of generating HFGWs in the laboratory using long arrays of piezoelectric crystals.
(similar to the earlier work of Dehnen and Romero-Borja presented at the first
HFGW Conference and based upon rigorous general relativistic analyses) using
off-the-shelf components producing HFGW amplitudes of 10-24 to 10-32 and studies by Rudenko and Grishchuk that proved the existence of HFGW relic gravitational radiation.

But that's for the gravity workshop, not here, LOL

Funny, the 2 main researchers in thise 'field': TT Brown & Ygevny (Eugene) Podkletnov were never once referred to....

All part of a secret international program to develop GW comms, and other, nastier things..
Got 2 go..
Luke
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: starwarp2000 on March 27, 2013, 10:55:40 pm
Hey,starwarp,just trying to undo all my working knowledge of how electricity works.
Then I saw your signature.

Once physicists grabbed hold of electricity all knowledge of it ceased. Electrons have nothing to do with the flow of electricity. Electrons are the rate at which electricity is destroyed. Electrons are the resistance.

So,if electrons are destroyed,which is plausible,how do they get there? do they flow there or not.do they just go poof and they are gone?

I'm just an old elevator dude with an associate degree in electronics from 30 years ago.
So,
I'm willing to learn.

Hey kdog,
Where do I start?
I will answer your 'currentless' question as well, all in the same reply.
Current Electrical theory sees Current as the flow of electrons between a higher potential and a lower potential.
But the electricity of Tesla was currentless! In other words there was no current flow through the circuit.
Current technology is based on Electromagnetism, which is based on current flow in a circuit (initiated by the Magnetic Field) and subsequent power losses due to heat and resistance.
Try to visualize electricity as 2 vectors, one the magnetic and one the dielectric:
In Electromagnetic Energy they are dragged sideways through matter and hence Electrons are created from the interaction of the lines of force of the fields and the matter itself. Hence, 'Total Power Losses' to friction (heat) and Resistance.
Tesla and others found that the other form of electricity had the two vectors pointing in the same direction as the field traveled. Hence when going through matter, this form of Electricity (Dielectric) has no current flow, no power losses, and therefore doesn't create Electrons!

I hope that gives you a bit of an Idea of what I was talking about.
Trying to teach someone the knowledge I have accumulated over 20 years is hard, but if we work together we can accomplish anything!  ;)

(The Newman motor works by sending 'something' (LOL by that i mean it's not Electrons (Current) it's Dielectricity) down the windings of a motor, but 'quickly', cutting of the 'return path' so that no current can flow in the circuit. (Similar to what Tesla did with his Pancake Coils).
So no current flow: No power losses, no power dissipated, no voltage consumed........)
It must sound fantastic... but it is right in front of us, waiting for us to find it again!
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: kdog on March 27, 2013, 11:36:51 pm
Thank you for that reply.
This old dog and the old ways I was taught ,well,I have to do some re-thinking.
Thank you.

Peace,
K
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: starwarp2000 on March 27, 2013, 11:38:26 pm
Thank you for that reply.
This old dog and the old ways I was taught ,well,I have to do some re-thinking.
Thank you.

Peace,
K

Cheers K,
Glad to help  :)
Any questions you have, feel free to launch them my way!
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: kdog on March 27, 2013, 11:59:45 pm
You can,starwarp.
I need to visualize this.
I'm a hands on kind of guy ,and words don't work to well with me.

Any schematics?

I would appreciate it.

Peace,
K
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on March 28, 2013, 11:46:11 am
Schematics?

Here they are, this is from Back.(sorry i'm late old freind, i have been inundated with work recently :-[)
I have a whole lot of diagrams, some of them are hidden in the corners of my forum.
For a start, here's my views on 'charge' and 'current':
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1012.0 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1012.0)

..And some 'overunity' electronic circuits;

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2197.0 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2197.0)


But here is what THIS thread is all about, Tesla's Radiant energy device.
And here are the plans Back sent me;

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/images/ODD/RE1J2.JPG)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/images/ODD/RE3.JPG)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/images/ODD/RE4.bmp)


If it's not readable (especially on a smartphone) then here is the original PDF;

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/files/FreeNRG/Circuits/REM-1.pdf (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/files/FreeNRG/Circuits/REM-1.pdf)

Many thanks to Back for sending this in, i hope to be able to add some info soon. In the meantime..
Enjoy!

...Fixed...
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Littleenki on March 28, 2013, 11:58:03 am
input 80 mA output 3 amps...thats overunity in my book. minus material expenses and such this design would be ideal to charge battery banks for solar inverter systems.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on March 28, 2013, 12:02:40 pm
Hi there Dave ;D

You know what's really wierd?

It's this ratio of 4.8:1  that is found in many 'overunity' machines of this type.
I know this, i have measured this in my 'overunity' circuits.

Why that ratio? I have no idea, but i tend to call it the 'Aether constant' :D

(of course, that's 1:4.8 if we're talnking input/output ratio, just to avoid confusion :P )
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Littleenki on March 28, 2013, 01:02:20 pm
Aether constant...I like it, because that makes sense of whats happening.

Its the radiant energy which is all around sort of funneling into a conductor, at a set rate, therefore constant...makes perfect sense to me.

A gentle suction into such circuits and devices which is throttled by nature, and kept within a range that is easy and safe to replicate.

So, if such devices are to be the norm someday, there will need to be extremely well planned research into making the step-up to usable voltage cheap and cost efficient through unique coil and transformer design.

As for the specific ratio of 1:4.8 I cant say why that number for the overunity, but I have heard of several well tuned Tesla coils which consistently achieved 133% efficiency, so thats somewhat below the ratio, but promising nevertheless.

Perhaps the secret to free energy isnt trying to have a huge flow of current and voltage, but a slow steady useful flow, which allows for low temperature and safe circuitry..and could be easily installed in every home to bolster the main, if not completely replace it.

Aether power? Low and Slow!

Cheers, mate!
Dave
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Back on March 28, 2013, 01:55:56 pm
Hey all
Thanks for all the replies. That bug is still kicking my but so bad that I cant focus.

LE or Dave if you dont mind me calling you that.  I know that you are an artist so here is a link about Schumann freq that you should check out.

http://viewzone.com/schuman.html

Thanks Luke
Bless
Shawn
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on March 28, 2013, 02:07:04 pm
No problem Shawn ;D We are (mostlt) all on first names within the IF but wether you choose to do so outside is your choice.

The reason i say this is that, outside the forum, i don't want people to know who all the IF members are.
Peole will follow you on the net, they can see who is freinds or enemies with who, and G*gle bots pick that up :o

Here it's invitation only, just a small group of us, in a nice quiet area & we can say what we like ;) (within the T&C of course :P)

Shaun, this is your baby, do what you like with it mate :)
I will try & chip in with some useful info when i can.
See ya,
Luke
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: kdog on March 28, 2013, 03:25:35 pm
Thank you for the schematic and explanation,I just need to get ahold of an oscilloscope.

It would be fun to play with now that I have all this time on my hands.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on March 28, 2013, 03:37:38 pm
Velemann (or Velleman) do a small pocket scope for less than 100 bucks, or you could try boot fairs/yard sales etc.
You never know what you will find, i bought my first scope for 10 bucks 8)

the seller said he didn't know if it worked or not.
Turns out it worked fine, only the 'X' axis was set off-screen :o ::) :P
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: kdog on March 28, 2013, 04:41:41 pm
Velemann (or Velleman) do a small pocket scope for less than 100 bucks, or you could try boot fairs/yard sales etc.
You never know what you will find, i bought my first scope for 10 bucks 8)

the seller said he didn't know if it worked or not.
Turns out it worked fine, only the 'X' axis was set off-screen :o ::) :P

Could you use your sound card on a computer with an scope program?
That is using it as a tone generator.
http://www.dxzone.com/catalog/Software/Oscilloscope/ (http://www.dxzone.com/catalog/Software/Oscilloscope/)

Or does it need to be purely analog .

I'm just throwing it out there.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Littleenki on March 29, 2013, 07:15:23 am
Hey all
Thanks for all the replies. That bug is still kicking my but so bad that I cant focus.

LE or Dave if you dont mind me calling you that.  I know that you are an artist so here is a link about Schumann freq that you should check out.

http://viewzone.com/schuman.html

Thanks Luke
Bless
Shawn

Argh! Hope you get well soon, the weather is strange these days resulting in some colds in the spring, instead of allergies! Weird!

Thats a cool link too, Shawn, Ill be reading it thoroughly, as m a big fan of resonance and cymatics!

And you can call me anything you like, just never late for dinner! :D

Cheers!
Dave
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Back on March 29, 2013, 02:11:27 pm
Hey All
 Feeling some what better but after a 11 hr shift I am drained again. OK I will quit whining.

To back up. Dave you are correct in saying that I am in search of Schumann Frequencies. As far as I know no one has figured it out above the 60 Hz range. They dont behave like regular harmonics. I do have to redo my math but I am convinced that the guy gave me a hint to look in the 60kHz range.

Kdog
I looked at your link and it is cool. The only problem that I saw it only goes to 10 kHz. Yes PC Oscope really do work.

Guys I am sorry I really want to ad on more but my head is swimming again.

Shawn
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: 1Worldwatcher on April 04, 2013, 02:02:09 pm
Sorry too hear you were feeling so bad Back (Shawn, if it is alright by you).

There doesn't seem to be any more postings after the 29TH of March, so thought I would bump the thread to get it going and too see if you are faring well yet? Hope so. ;)

This is a brilliant device, much on the same lines of the "Ambient Resonance" I know can be tapped with in any format as long as it was implemented with either Radial antenna or spherical containment/absorption device/shell.

Though there are admittedly dangerous ramifications with in the V's produced for health issues and possible Electro Shock therapy not intended for such, I think, with a bit of design tweaking, one create a feasible protection barrier with something like High temp plexy shielding (Which I might add would be more efficient and portable by use of the Spherical design concept. ;) )  There by not allowing for free flowing charge not too be intercepted by alternative ground passing by.

With Spherical design, one could actually mount cooling fan on the top and there by situating the power source (Bat's) with in the hollow of the outer shell. The use of the Zinc coated is a great material to use for such a device, as LE and a few others here have pointed out, and with the everything but the grounds and linear receiving antenna being visible, aesthetically, it would basically look like a yard ornament for visual curiosity.

The inner portion of this self perceived Globe/Sphere would have to be insulated for both over unity and heating issues, but there again, an inducting fan placed on top of the apparatus would suffice as both cooling application and operational running system.

The outer protective casing i.e. High heat resistant Plexy or other nonconductive material, would be perforated for "Direct Line Absorption" from with in the the Zinc galv. metal, possibly creating higher yield out put with standards set of the optimal Frequency at either the 80Hz-60Hz Range mentioned. (Though I feel the Hz adjustment may be around the 67-68Hz dilating. 32.2ft/lbs/sec/sec/2 div by 4.8 ) Based on wavering Gravitational EM ambient effects.

Though the permittivity is the issue with in the winding's, and with the ratio set at 1/4.8 , after Galvanized plating added, and depending on the size one wishes to manufacture such a device, this would be (IMHO) set by the Inductance transferring process of known parameters with in the field of research currently know. Gauss comes to mind, but Beardens principles may even more accurate and beneficial for optimal effects for cause and effects. This is where you Inventors and scientists will have to chime in. ;)

I am not an E.E. as many of you know, but combinations of the research I have done with "Field Resonance" and "Frequency" implied physics, it is absolutely clear that this invisible energy is readily available, as Back has so graciously shown here, just waiting to be tapped into for our prosperity and understanding with in such fields of research.

Thank You so much for bringing this topic up Back, it is of Great importance to understand that we are on the verge of getting somewhere within our researched endeavors. You are a credit too any Inventors Group. And I am sure PWM and the rest would agree, what a contribution you have made.  8)

Though my thoughts here are only ideas, I do think them practical for application, if I am mistaken, please allow me the Graciousness of knowing the "Whys" so I may better grow with in the Inventors Group community. ;)

I have other ideas as well for insulated materials and use with none conductive properties, but will wait and see what say you here of my personal concept of the device and design for safety changes before I elaborate any farther.

With Great Respect,
1Worldwatcher
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Back on April 05, 2013, 02:00:51 pm
Hey WW1

Shawn is fine with me in these private areas. As Dave says just don't call me late for supper :)
As far as my health, my thyroid crapped out again like it did 10 years ago. It was not putting any thing out. I am om a 30 day jump start back again and hope it last another 10 years.

This is the first day in over 2 weeks that I am able to focus. I want to jump over to the Schumann discussion and give my input before I falter because it is related to this thread. Also I can feel the meds wearing off. I hope to post more on this thread as I get better.
Bless
Shawn
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: 1Worldwatcher on April 05, 2013, 02:25:18 pm
Hey WW1

Shawn is fine with me in these private areas. As Dave says just don't call me late for supper :)
As far as my health, my thyroid crapped out again like it did 10 years ago. It was not putting any thing out. I am om a 30 day jump start back again and hope it last another 10 years.

This is the first day in over 2 weeks that I am able to focus. I want to jump over to the Schumann discussion and give my input before I falter because it is related to this thread. Also I can feel the meds wearing off. I hope to post more on this thread as I get better.
Bless
Shawn

Absolutely Shawn, Glad too have you back my Friend, look forward to deductive and investigative conversation. ;)

Schumann thread is good, as Z has done his job. See you in the near, just take it easy and get the much needed recovery time necessary for you too remain with us for the next 10 Shawn!!

Ciaos for now but not for long.

1WW
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on April 08, 2013, 03:39:06 pm
I hope you're feeling better shawn?
I will be sending good vibes in your direction, my freind.
And drink lots of TEA, with HONEY......
I hope to also be able to add something to this thread, but right now it's too busy to even take a carp around here! ::)
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Back on April 09, 2013, 02:15:24 pm
Hi All
I am feeling mentally on my game today ;D Thanks for the concern for my health. It has been bad.

I want to share a short conversation that I had with 7redorbs (Adam Bull)

A
 I came across some info. that makes me think that Moray's set operated in the 60k HZ range. Do you see any relationship between this freq. and the earths resonate freq?
 Back

Back. look at the audio range of 105 squared and 195 squared and 150 squared.
 
You'll be happy.
 
Congratulations, you've done good.
 
Cheers,
 A

you want one individual frequency amplitude of a single wave to respond at it's Nth HARMONIC to a coupling of multiple waves at different frequencies.
 
That way you'll get T.M.T like amplification. Be careful though Tesla vacuum tubes using this system could create indefinite voltages safely. However when they leave I'd imagine they are lethal of the highest order. be careful!
 
Best,
 A

OK I have not figured out the audio squared thing yet so help please ??? The other part I am all on it.

That is why I am so intrested in the earths frequencies and Schumann.

As Dave pointed out am I looking for earth freq or Schumann freq? I dint know at this time. Are there any difference? As I posted on the on the Schumann thread the harmonics don't make sense to me.

I hope that you can see where my research is leading me. I am looking for a frequency with a very high amplitude and less than 20 inches in length.

I hope that you all can see where I am trying to go
Bless
Shawn
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on April 09, 2013, 02:41:03 pm
Hi Shawn, great to hear you are doing better ;D

7Red is full of surprises 8) and some cool tips....
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OK I have not figured out the audio squared thing yet so help please
I imagine he means the squares of those numbers as audio frequencies;

105 squared gives 11,025 Hertz

150 squared gives 22,500 Hz (there we have that 22.5 angle LOL)

195 squared gives 33,025 Hz (which is still 'audio' despite being above the human range of hearing).

Mixing these 3 frequencies together will generate lots of harmonics (hence the Nth part)

 
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The other part I am all on it.
Very pleased to hear it :D

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That is why I am so intrested in the earths frequencies and Schumann.
Me too, we need to gather more data on this (at least i should).

I have very little data on Moray, other than what has already been posted.
I hope to be able to dig up some more of these circuits, and do some actual tests, time permitting ::)
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: 1Worldwatcher on April 09, 2013, 03:33:34 pm
Back:

Look up "Excalibur Briefing" by Thomas Bearden et al. There you will find Dr. T. Henry Moray's information and also has some direct URL links taking you too specific information.

1WW

Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on April 09, 2013, 03:41:21 pm
I still want a copy of that book :P
I have some excerpts, though, saved as .txt files... ::)

here's a few pdf's i had lying around...

Bearden Precursor (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/files/FreeNRG/Bearden/BeardenPrecursor.pdf)

4-battery switch (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/files/FreeNRG/Bearden/report_on_4_battery_switch.pdf)


Giant Negentropy (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/files/FreeNRG/Bearden/GiantNegentropy.pdf)

Practical Overunity Electrical Devices (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/files/FreeNRG/poed.pdf)

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: 1Worldwatcher on April 09, 2013, 03:59:54 pm
I still want a copy of that book :P
I have some excerpts, though, saved as .txt files... ::)

here's a pdf i had lying around...

Bearden Precursor (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/files/FreeNRG/Bearden/BeardenPrecursor.pdf)

PWM, have you ever heard of "Time-Reverse Electric wave Phenomena" before

Quoted Excerpt:

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Further, the Time-reversed Wave continually converges upon its "Invisible back tracking" Path. It does not diverge or spread its energy, in contradistinction to normal waves.

Though this is technology from the WWII era, is this the discrepancy we are searching for with in the 'Schumann resonance Field' with in wave fields? Maybe with something like 4-wave mixing? Just curious.

1WW
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on April 09, 2013, 04:09:10 pm
Beaden's 'time reversed waves' are not easily understood, but he does a fine job in these papers, he explains that what we see as single-direction (I.E. propogating outward from the dipole) is actually 2 'virtual' waves travelling in opposite directions, one is 'time forward' and one is 'time reversed'.
 :o :o

This is kind of hard to accept, unless you also accept that 'time' has no real meaning etc etc.

The ONLY evidence so far in favour of this is the so-called 'time forwarding' effect on electrons, and even here it's going way off into the theoretical dept.

I think there's something in it, since Bearden (and others) have already proven (theoretically) a whole bunch of stuff that our 'cutting edge' scientists are only now looking at & saying "Gee whizz, i never looked at it like this before"

Which is a shame, since it's been laying around for about 40 years ::)
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: 1Worldwatcher on April 09, 2013, 04:24:53 pm
Well, that seems to be the case for many things with in these fields, doesn't it? I don't know if you have any URL links to some of the information, and I don't know if I am manually typing these in they are clickable links, but here you go, in case it is something that may be useful too you or would like to add to our archives with in IG.

http://www.cheniere.org/books/excalibur/index.html

has some of the chapters available for preview reading, which is what I am doing for the understanding, but fascinating for sure. ;)

1WW
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on April 09, 2013, 04:43:16 pm
Someone just offered to send me a copy, ol, mate ;D

As usual, i will tear into it with my usual bull terrier approach & shamelessly copy the relevant parts for you. Certain things are not sacred, IMHO, and i daresay Tom Bearden will thank us for it, if & when we locate him........

I have a feeling that our collective alpha waves are passing the 16 Hz barrier, the moment when we become 'truly aware'....i can sense it......

The Mayans were right, as usual 8)
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Back on April 10, 2013, 02:27:05 pm
Wow guys that was a lot about radiant receivers that I did not understand :o

Just kidding. I enjoyed it. I want to give you my heart felt thanks for sharing such things with someone like me that is so obviously new in this kind of research. :)

Unless some one can give me a better starting place I am going to work on the 1 MHZ range down. As Dave pointed out I don't want to be like the guy that I know and spend years winding coils.

With that in mind I ordered a 1/2 lb spool of 14 gauge magnet wire. My wife gave me permission ;) to buy a 1MH signal generator that has an 8 volt PtoP output. That should speed things a lot.

Thanks again. I have an open mind and am willing to learn
Bless
Shawn
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Eighthman on April 10, 2013, 04:01:44 pm
I have spent some time examining Bearden's ideas.  I did not find them credible or useful.  I did find that he misinterprets sources and (it is asserted by someone who questioned him) that he fails to acknowledge wave polarization as a real phenomena - something used everyday in satellite reception and easy to demonstrate.  His proclamations about the fallen Soviet Union have already been proven wrong.

I STRONGLY advocate research into free energy but worry that people such as him misdirect and damage the topic.  I do like the work J. Naudin does, as well as the PESN site.

The "VSG" device (Naudin) appears to be real, replicated and firmly based on the work of a real physicist - and nobody is doing anything withit.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: 1Worldwatcher on April 10, 2013, 04:26:50 pm
Perceptually I can see where you are coming from Eightman, Though we have discussed the pros's and the con's with in the Bearden acclimated and research, there are some of his points that peak interest with in these fields that may prove too be quite substantiated for possible answers to unknowns.

PWM had direct line of contact with him, and I have dug up all I can on Bearden, form the time he was called out to actually following him to my current place of residence. I have been trying to locate him for his personal input, but keep hitting dead ends, very frustrating too say the least.

With so many insightful researches going on at one time with in the Inventors groups , it is hard too just pick one and then not wonder off one topic that melts into another while doing such research. Kind of drives me batty and leaves me a little disappointed in myself for being so easily side tracked from original goals.  ???

Either way, Bearden has some knowledge, and we need too have these answers for to get some kind of understanding with absolutes and go from there. IMHO. ;)

We have too remember that Beardens circumstances were cries of 'Fraud' (And that wasn't really substantiated either back then just assumptions and innuendo's too bash him and his work.) not 'Idiot' so he deserves his day in the Sun, as any scientist that can contribute deserves. ;)

1WW
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Eighthman on April 10, 2013, 05:58:25 pm
I carefully examined Bearden's claim that charging a capacitor could be done without expenditure of energy. Looked up the references in libraries at Cornell - complete misinterpretation of source cited.

I understand his degree is from a diploma mill.  I had hopes for his "MEG" device - as many did - but it appears the invention is just measurement errors from apparent power readings.

Seriously, if I ever discover a free energy device, I guarantee you I will feed it with DC and rectify/filter the output.  (DC to DC)  No Funny Business.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on April 11, 2013, 02:39:18 am
Edison used D.C. ::)

Whether his PHD is real or not is something we should check out carefully before jumping to conclusions. His math is degree-level, not something you learn fro G**gle :D

the last time i comunicated with Bearden was about 10 years ago, in regards to the MEG. I actually built one (from Naudin's plans, which turned out to have a flaw in them, accident or not i don't know).

I could not find the right core material, but i used something similar, and although i did not get what you would call 'overunity' i did find some very strange 'negative resistance' anomalies.
Enough to tell me that there is something in it.

The cap trick works. I tried it & got an input / output ratio of about 1:4.8 :o

I have further developed this circuit, and the plans are posted in the I.G. forum.
Since there is some degree of electronics involved, i started a 'basic electronics' thread, so that peeps can hone their skills etc.

Both capacitive & inductive (& i suspect magnetic) 'overunity' machines tend to have this ratio of approximately 1: 4.8XXXX ???

That ratio (which i call the 'aether constant') needs to be carefully measured to 4 decimal places, and incorporated into the current model. This will be difficult, since it is a dimensionless constant, and therefore cannot be treated by dimensional analysis methods. My math simply isn't up to it, but i will be happy to take the measurements & pass them on to someone who can use them.

In the meantime, here is a piece of text from 'giant negentropy'.....

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Solution to the Problem of the Connection Between Field and Source
We use the foregoing hypothesis to propose a solution to a previously unsolved major foundations problem in electrodynamics. Quoting Sen {15}:
"The connection between the field and its source has always been and still
is the most difficult problem in classical and quantum electrodynamics."
The problem really lies in how we approach the notion of the "source charge", since the usual classical electrodynamics does not model the interaction of the vacuum and the charge {16}.

 With no active vacuum input to the charge, the received crippled and
fragmentary model of electrodynamics implies that the charge not only creates the fields and potentials which surround it, but also creates out of nothing all that EM energy comprising those associated fields and potentials. Since energy can neither be created nor destroyed, but only changed in form, the convSo the problementional notion that the source charge produces its associated fields and potentials and EM energy, in the absence of any interaction with the vacuum, is a non sequitur. is that the conventional model eliminates the vacuum interaction.
 Hence that model must grossly violate the conservation of energy law in its view of the charge as the source of fields and potentials and their energy. In short, it simply posits an output of EM energy without any energy input or change in state of the charge.
Experimentally, of course, it is easily shown that EM energy does pour out of that charge, creating all its associated fields and potentials which do appear around it. Just create a charge (e.g., as in pair production), and measure the resulting outflow of the fields and potentials and EM energy from it, at the speed of light in all directions.
However, the charge alone cannot be a true source, since rigorously there can be no such thing! As Semiz {17} puts it:
"The very expression 'energy source' is actually a misnomer. As is known
since the early days of thermodynamics, and formulated as the first law,
energy is conserved in any physical process. Since energy cannot be
created or destroyed, nothing can be an energy source, or sink. Devices
we call energy sources do not create energy, they convert it from a form
not suitable for our needs to a form that is suitable, a form we can do
work with."
We really do not have energy sources as such in nature, even though we sloppily use that term. Instead, we actually have energy transducers.A priori, since we measure no real 3-space input of EM energy to the unchanging charge but we can measure real 3-space EM energy pouring from it, energy must be input to it from the active vacuum in a nonobservable form, and converted by it into an observable form that is re-emitted, usable, and produces what we call the "fields and potentials" and their energy, associated with that "source charge". As is common usage, we will use the term "source charge" or "source dipole", but with the understanding that we refer to a special kind of energy transducer.
8)

Edit to add; There is a French group on the Yahoo Groups forums, doing a great deal of research on the MEG. Quite impressive, but my french is merde :D it would be nice if some french-speaking members here can go take a look... ::)
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on April 11, 2013, 03:30:56 am

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MEG_builders/ (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MEG_builders/)
...is closed down....

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MEG_Buzz/ (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MEG_Buzz/)
....no activity since 2008......


Inventors Forum (http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/theinventorsforum/)

(hey, we have one of those :) )

I can't find a single French group working on the MEG on the YG forums, yet i was reading their posts last month?

Maybe you can find something.. ;)
Bye..
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Back on July 26, 2013, 02:21:45 pm
Hey all

1WW
I want to thank you for your support and incouragement. I am still thinking about the link you gave me and what you wanted me to learn from it.

I am thinking that you are sugesting that my ground should be in a triangle shape. Can do.

My second thought is the the north and south orenitation does matter. PWM thinks it doesnt.

I did a little research on ground batteries , enough to make me think that it is possiable that the north and south does matter. If we are on the same page then we need to deside what type of metal to use at each ground point to take advantage of this.
Bless
Back
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: 1Worldwatcher on July 26, 2013, 03:50:54 pm
Hey all

1WW
I want to thank you for your support and incouragement. I am still thinking about the link you gave me and what you wanted me to learn from it.

Nice to see ya here Bro!! Now, as far as the device itself, it is inanimate and shouldn't allow it to defeat your superior mind!! :P LOL

Euclid Element is very fundamental in understanding that there is a direct and indirect path that all things follow on, i.e. Lay-Lines, and they never waver from their intended position, well, can't really say that, no proof of them not altering, but I do know they are a fluctuating EMF from highs too lows. ;) there by, with the geometry indicated with in the Euclid paper/PDF, you can orient your device for optimal directional facilitation's.

In other words, and being's you haven't tried this yet, but have the means too do so, Position is probably going to mean everything. Distance is probably going to mean everything, and Materials are probably going to mean everything. SO, with that said, lets get this situation on the road to the greatness the device builder deserves. :D

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I am thinking that you are sugesting that my ground should be in a triangle shape. Can do.

This is a hard one Back, I am not there to physically see what the lay of the land is. By any chance, do you have an EMF detector available? If so, do some walk around tests and see if there are fluctuations with in any particular area where the device is at and runs too.

If you don't have an EMF detector, you can do about the same thing with a Compass, but requires a bit more patience. What you would want to do is carry a piece of wood, such as a 2X4 (I use a 1 Inch wooden pole honed to a point on one end of it and w/compass adhered to viewing end. ;) ) that is at a length where you can look down on the butt end of it, then you take the Compass and lay it flat on the butt end, completely remove your hand from the compass and then see if true North vibrates as it attempts to orient it. If there is high vibration on the direction needle, this means high encounter of EMF and should be flagged or marked with ground marker's, do this all around the area you are wanting to use, but I wouldn't limit yourself to just where it is convenient for you to have the device (Like I said, might not be positioned correctly right now, might have to be relocated to a different area entirely for potential ;) ) and once you get these markers placed, you can then see a pattern of "FLOW" that is happening. I do believe if your device was a huge device Back, it wouldn't require so much configuration, but, being's we are trying to utilize such a small panel for results, I think every avenue of possibility should be looked at. Err go why I would start with 'Here' and eliminate as we progressively move forward for eventual desired goals. ;)

Just make sure you are 'POSITIVE' the compass platform you are using is absolutely still. :D

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My second thought is the the north and south orenitation does matter. PWM thinks it doesnt.


I am on the fence with this. PWM is a smart cookie when it comes to energy flow, he may be right, but, I also know he likes to be proven wrong when we all learn something from an initial belief!! ;) "Get'Em Back!! LOL 8)

Once you get those Marker's placed, whether you use EMF detector or Compass device, and if there is variation's, you will visually see what I am getting at. ;) I wish I had my Pilots license yet and an airplane and was a millionaire.... :( .... I would gladly fly over and give ya a hand Back. But, in all due respect of possibilities, you may find nothing at all, which means even a farther move for relocation. :(

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I did a little research on ground batteries , enough to make me think that it is possiable that the north and south does matter. If we are on the same page then we need to deside what type of metal to use at each ground point to take advantage of this. Bless Back

Once again, I am a bit on the fence, BUT, it may be the very reason why we see Tesla's Designs with ground assisted apparatuses, which speaks volumes into understanding everything he has given us this far. I think we should get the EMF stuff checked out then we can move on from there.

I know you mentioned you had a Creek near by that you are utilizing, probably wouldn't hurt to hit that with EMF test very hard, maybe every 6-12 feet, think you are going to find more responses there. Like I said, we are kind of doing this as hit or miss, but once we can get this figured out, we will have a basic game plan for what all the data we get with in what we are doing thus far too conclusively rule out one instance to another.

If you can, give me a picture of the EMF trial and if you want, create a map by hand and then mark flags placed and at what distance they are at (With Approximation's of course) from both the Creek and the receiver panel.

Will be anxiously awaiting your Data Back. I know you can do this and get high yields of ambient EMF, we just have to find it....8)

1WW
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Back on July 27, 2013, 09:35:14 am
Hey 1WW

Yes I do have a detector of sorts :o D and I was talking about this some time ago. I just sent you an email with a picture of it. Feel free to post it here. I dont know how. I am sure it will get some laughs but it does work.

The weather here is not good for testing now. We just had a big storm and every thing went negative for a while. It was at  neg 130 mv at 4 am this morning but it quit raining about 3 hr ago and has climbed to neg 10 mv.

I have coppied my land layout from my property deed. When conditions are good I will start taking measurements and mark then on that.

No disrespect to PWM but I do know in some applications for generating free energy - earth batteries the north and south orientation is critical. Have to do more research.

With finding that my origional ground is bad I am charged up to continue ;D I got a new 8 ft ground rod yesterday and set it. I cant wait for the weather to get better so I can do some testing.

I know that I am showing my age here but when did they quit making real copper grounds? the one that I got is steel core with a 10 mm skin on it. I guess it will work. Only 14$

Bless
 Back

Hope to see you on skype soon
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on July 27, 2013, 10:05:06 am
at least 25years ago.ive been driving them a long time.if you have clay then poke a hole .pour water.poke some more then more water.wear gloves and plunge it over and over.add more water.add salt for a really excellent ground.for a desert type ground then dig a hole.pour couple lbs of salt.a bunch of small metal bits or metal shavings and water.

stranded half inch copper wire works great too when buried.more surface area for soil/ground contact.hope that helps.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: starwarp2000 on July 27, 2013, 10:05:53 am
Back, might I suggest reading United States Patent US0690151:

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/0690151.pdf (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/0690151.pdf)

Also from Wikipedia:

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Lord Kelvin observed that such variables as placement of the electrodes in the magnetic field and the direction of the medium's flow affected the current output of his device. Such variables do not affect battery operation. When metal plates are immersed in a liquid medium, energy can be obtained and generated, including (but not limited to) methods known via magneto-hydrodynamic generators. In the various experiments by Lord Kelvin, metal plates were symmetrically perpendicular to the direction of the medium's flow and were carefully placed with respect to a magnetic field, which differentially deflected electrons from the flowing stream. The electrodes can be asymmetrically oriented with respect to the source of energy, though.

To obtain the natural electricity, experimenters would thrust two metal plates into the ground at a certain distance from each other in the direction of a magnetic meridian, or astronomical meridian. The stronger currents flow from south to north. This phenomenon possesses a considerable uniformity of current strength and voltage. As the Earth currents flow from south to north, electrodes are positioned, beginning in the south and ending in the north, to increase the voltage at as large a distance as possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_battery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_battery)

 :)
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Back on July 27, 2013, 11:01:39 am
Robo
 Man do I feel old :'(

Starwarp

Thanks for the input. Any links to someone that has worked on this and has details? I think when I started looking at earth battries there was over 1 mill hits. If you cant find details with some one that is expirementing with this then it is in my opinion it is a nother suppression or it doesnt work. It does work 8) I just dont know how far you can go with it.

Bless
Back
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: starwarp2000 on July 27, 2013, 05:37:23 pm
You could try this thread at Energetic Forum first:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2209-earth-battery-sg.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2209-earth-battery-sg.html)

Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: 1Worldwatcher on July 27, 2013, 07:51:03 pm
You could try this thread at Energetic Forum first:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2209-earth-battery-sg.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2209-earth-battery-sg.html)

Excellent Post Starwarp, it is exactly what I was trying to convey. It will require all thing's fundamental with in the Geometry of how it is situated and materials being used.

What I am hoping for after the EMF sweep I had mentioned to Back is a kind of intensified mapping system to go by. And I am almost positive (Sight unseen of course) he will find these sweet spots near the waters edge (Whatever distance that may be from Receiver) and there by establish most optimal position for two plate system. :D If they are garnered far enough away from each other, the device should start producing results almost immediately.

Now for the buried plates. This is why I am not sure 1) I never built one of these before. 2.) Does it matter if the plates are in line with Magnetic North and South, or does the face have to be opposite the magnetic line acquisitions? 3.) What would be the fluctuations (If any) when these plates are turned from in line to face currents?
This would all be good research with in these types of studies, because if this does truly make the difference, we can systematically get the Geometry settled once everything is in sync.

I have been too Energetic Forum, have some good stuff there for sure. but I haven't really found anyone that testified that one way or another would be better than one to the other either. Hope you understand my Conundrums of lack of knowledge over this part of the Earth Batteries case. :[

Getting these poles set with accuracy and with in the geometry necessary is going to be Tantamount to eventually achieving higher yields, then again, we may need to get bigger, as the page you had suggested states, 4 foot by 8 foot sheet is quite a bit bigger than what Back is currently using, so, we will have to wait and see. But may be the end all answer when pursuing such experimental debacles. It is also something that I had considered already, just wanted to see if anything was measurable with current facilitated materials Back has already.

robo definitely has a good point as well. Kind of ground makes for different approaches. Being's the area of interest is with in stones throw from Creek, I am imagining the ground is soft and penetrable quite easily, again this is sight unseen perception, Back will have to let us know.

The acclimation of salts is very corrosive for the most part, but creates great leaps in conductivity, another point to consider, until we get that map going for lay of the land with in EMF, I think we can safely say, "WE have some good folks commenting here to help this along!!" 8)

You are truly among Friends Back!! ;)

1WW



Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: 1Worldwatcher on July 28, 2013, 07:22:39 am
I received the Email Back, and here are is the Picture of your EMF detector:

(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i246/Allred5923/ShawnsEMFDetector_zps3b77a5ad.jpg)

I have also taken the Liberty of preparing the other photo's you had shared with me, the area's of interest and the Oscillator during reading's, so if you would like me to post these let me know. ;)

1WW
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on July 28, 2013, 03:01:56 pm
A remarkable effort from all concerned, way to go!
Hopefully i will find the time to read it ::)
Keep going, chaps :D
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Back on July 29, 2013, 02:29:36 pm
Hey all

1WW

I did a basic survey and with all the rain that we have had this year the data is use less. The new ground that I installed is probally in the water table just a few feet away from my cave. So maybe and probally I am going about this the wrong way.

O Starwarp thanks for the last link. I am about half way done reading it.

Tesla said that your capicator has to be the best quality mica available. Well I have been testing with mostly electricolitic caps :( I know stupid me :'( I have dug in to my junk and found what I think to be mica caps. I will be seeing if there are any improvements. I have beeing looking into the silver mica caps best you can get now, They are expensive.

Well that is where I am at for now.

Bless
Back

Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: 1Worldwatcher on July 30, 2013, 04:47:30 am
Hey all

1WW

I did a basic survey and with all the rain that we have had this year the data is use less. The new ground that I installed is probally in the water table just a few feet away from my cave. So maybe and probally I am going about this the wrong way.

Well Back , with in all things science and research , may be surprised if lets say you found out that the ground after saturation has become more feasible for such an application ? huh. ;)

The direction you are going is pretty basic and the plans and lay out were going to be a hit or miss regardless, but in all things fundamental with Radiant Receiver, and from what you have discussed this far, let us keep moving forward with what we have and then make changes where necessary.

Getting EMF readings and distances for lay lines would have not changed, may be in magnitude, but not orientation of Earths selective EMF fields. 8)

1WW
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on July 30, 2013, 05:02:07 am
the salts in the ground make the best grounds.sand makes a terrible ground.thats why florida has such bad lightning.the sand acts like a dielectric.

a good ground and a good airiel like a pointed rod or wire.is all that is necessary to get a voltage reading.

i hope im not giving info yall already know.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Back on July 30, 2013, 03:02:41 pm
Hey All

1WW please post the other pic. that I sent you so Robo can see. Rain again today so no good readings. My comp is locking up and I havent figured it out yet.

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good ground and a good airiel like a pointed rod or wire.is all that is necessary to get a voltage reading.

Robo you are correct. What is bothering me is I should be getting a larger voltage reading than MV. I will send links and quotes as soon as I get my comp figured out. The wife down loaded angry birds and a lot of trash with it. I think I am secure after deleating about 15 things but  the comp locks when I try to look at PDF files >:( I will get it fixed soon
Bless
Back
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: 1Worldwatcher on July 30, 2013, 04:06:15 pm
Hey All

1WW please post the other pic. that I sent you so Robo can see. Rain again today so no good readings. My comp is locking up and I havent figured it out yet.

Bless
Back

Here you go Back:

This is the area leading to the Creek where ground post is running with antenna/Ariel.
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i246/Allred5923/new040_zps411c0afe.jpg)

This is a picture of the receiver plate mounted 6 ft. -8 ft. high
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This 8x10 Oscilloscope reading when in charge state
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If there is any editing that needs too be done with the descriptions Back, PM me and let me know, or, you can cut and paste directly with image button on 'Post Reply' page. (The click button next to the You Tube on the right of it.)

With Great Respect,
1Worldwatcher
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on July 30, 2013, 07:34:09 pm
the o scope wave form is cool.

you may try a pointy rod instead of a sheet.the sheet may be hindering it due to resonant factors. a piece of barn tin pointed at the sun would do better acting like a solar cell.because of the zinc.maybe.

the signal your getting now could be cleaned up by sending through a transformer maybe.
one thing i didnt understand is are you now getting millivolts?you should get better than that.your tounge can put off millivolts.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on July 30, 2013, 10:53:54 pm
Most of the electricity we pick up comes from house wiring, cellphones etc etc.

Back is in the middle of nowhere, outside, so i would expect very little noise, and in fact that's a very clean signal on the scope.

Have you tried aligning that plate N-S? I know i said it should not make a difference (like the ground wires) but then again i could be wrong :P

Let's face it, if i was clever i would be rich already ;)

I think a larger plate, mounted as high as possible, maybe change the placing of the ground wires, & crank up an L-C circuit using the ground & plate as the capacitor. Tuning is done by tapping the coil at various points.

Good old fashioned Tesla stuff!

I will try & get some more files posted here, but you may have to nudge me, i'm prone to forgetting stuff (yes i have reached that age ::) )
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on July 30, 2013, 11:02:33 pm
lc circuit.i figured he already had that.just assumed.thats what his avatar is.

where can a person find a new tuner cheap?how about an automatic tuner?
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Back on July 31, 2013, 02:17:46 pm
Hey All

1WW

All I have to add is when the antenna is up it is 12 ft in the air. Also if my oscope is close to being in calibration the signal is 98 HZ :o

The thing that bothers me most is the lack of voltage rise for this design. If I remember correctly Tesla was able to get very high voltage. I can not. I also think the signal that I am getting is some how related to grid power.

Sorry so short but I have a lot to do. I did start a word doc to try to but my thoughts in. LOL on that.

I need voltage to make this work. That is why I have looked into silver mica caps. They are the best that I can find.

Bless
Back
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on July 31, 2013, 03:09:43 pm
dry winter air works best.thats part of the reason for tesla in colorado.all the humidity in air is killing it.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: 1Worldwatcher on August 01, 2013, 05:24:20 am
Might do good at this point to go back and take another look too see if Tesla had issues with this situation as well.

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U.S. Patent 0,645,576[4] - System of Transmission of Electrical Energy - 1900 March 20 - Commonly referred to as the radio patent; Related to wireless telegraphy; Wireless transmission of electric power through the natural media; Cites well known radiant energy phenomena and the experiments of William Crookes; Corrects previous errors in theory of behavior when used by the methods and means of Mr. Tesla; Discovery of highly important and useful facts which heretofore have been unknown; Deprive dialectic of air when impressing electromotive forces of a certain character and magnitude unto it; Conductivity of the air increases with the augmentation of the pressure and the rarefaction; Law of conductivity of the air is quite different from heretofore established; Illustrations of the facts.

System of Transmission of Electrical Energy (http://www.keelynet.com/tesla/00645576.pdf)

Apparatus to Utilize Radiant energy W/Designs (http://www.google.com/patents?id=YitoAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false)

Inventors: NIKOLA TESLA, NIKOLA TESLA
Current U.S. Classification: 398/202; 250/372 (http://www.google.com/patents/US685957)

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Apparatus for converting radio frequency energy to direct current
US 4685047 A
ABSTRACT
Apparatus for and methods of converting radio frequency energy into direct current for generating electric power includes a dipolar antenna for receiving radio frequency energy and a circuit connected thereto for converting the radio frequency energy to direct current. The circuit has a positive output line connected to one pole of the antenna and a negative output line connected to the other pole of the antenna. A positive transmitting diode is in the positive output line and a negative transmitting diode is in the negative output line. First and second bus lines and a pair of tuned circuits of opposite polarity couple the positive output line and negative line to the bus line with one of the bus lines being connected to ground. Each tuned circuit includes a first bridging line connecting the positive output line to the first and second ground lines and a second bridging line connecting the negative output line to the first and second ground lines. Each bridging line has a diode therein oriented at a polarity which is reverse with respect to the input diode. The bridging lines of each tuned circuit are connected to one another by an inductance and have capacitors disposed between the diode and the bus lines. A direct current device is connected to the positive line of the circuit.

IMAGE

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And just for the record, I was always under the interpretation that when there is electrical or Frequency based objects with in atmospheric conditions, that this would not initially effect the conductor pate do to the resonance it was emitting?

Though I do remember the 'Why's" Tesla chose Colorado as a testing ground, but thought that he had stated somewhere that as along as frequency is obtained and oscillation was acquired that the Arid/Humid theology was thrown out the window.

I can't remember any more for sure, very tired, been fishing all night, just want too help and contribute to Backs current debacle, cause if Tesla was able to do this, we should be able to at least reproduce same effects with in measure. Not? ???

And if I remember right PWM, Back lives in an area that is surrounded by radio tower's and cell phone towers, may be wrong here, but he can jump in with that information to either validate or contest this to be what we had discussed previously. ;)

1WW
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on August 01, 2013, 06:29:24 am
i believe dry air works best.ionized before a storm works too but b careful.im sure tesla had it dialed in better but these things i mention will get you pointed in the right direction.there may be something to that antennae design.i dont  know.that schematic above is basically the same thing as the avatar.only using more.there may be something to having more than one by setting up a resonant frequency that supplies an even higher power output.i dont know just speculating.

this last week.candy crush has been begging me to update even tho i deleated the game.i personally dont trust free games on the internet.call it a hunch.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on August 01, 2013, 01:30:54 pm
ok i've been reading a bit.
Energetic forums are a great bunch, we should liase more often ::)

I would like to point out a few things that may clear the field somewhat.

There are several sources at work here, all of them quite natural and as you would expect from Nature they all react with each other.

First of all you have the huge potential difference between earth & sky, somewhere in the Gigavolt region.

Then you have oscillations in that potential, like the Schumann resonance etc, all they way up to 'cosmic wind' ultra-high frequencies.

Then you have the earths own magnetic field, locally quite weak but on a planetary scale it's strong enough to bend high energy particles into the polar region.
This field has oscillations, too, as in Ley lines etc, certain sensitive peeps can even feel them (dowsers or water diviners).

So you see for every possible source we have both a 'static' or D.C. and a 'dynamic' or A.C. component.
Steinmetz has done something similar with his math, which i find not only genius, but also very funny, it's so very close to Maxwells original 'quaternions' but at the same time extremely refined.

Now i'm not a math person really, but it seems that the simpler explanations are the best ones.

This is all standard textbook stuff, we havent broken any holy 'laws' of human physics...........yet.

Now it gets interesting, i remember a guy calles Stubblefield who-presumably having read some of Teslas stuff or been to his lectures- had invented something called an 'earth telephone'.
This device not only got it's power from the ground, but it also transmitted signals through it!
Re; that last post Bill, reminds me of fractional antennas....sacred geometry at work??

I will try & dig up the (very meagre) info i have on this, it seems we should be looking at a dual-purpose machine here.

Just look at the very first 'hertzian' radio, and the Radiant reciever, and the ground system, they are nearly identical.

I get the feling that the copper & zinc are just using the acidity of the soil, & it's just a chemical action.

But who cares, if it's free, it's free, right?
Later!
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Back on August 01, 2013, 02:37:22 pm
Hey All

PWM thanks for giving your thoughts. I have strayed from the the initial reason for this thread because all the long I had a bad ground >:(

This link provides info about Tesla origional patent that I am trying to copy.

http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-685,958-utilizing-radiant-energy

In my opinion it is all about getting a capicator to charge to hi voltage. That is something that i have been unable to do. Untill I can do that controls are worthless.

If you look at the link it is very simple. I have been only to charge to average 250 mv. I should be able to get much higher. I am trying to figure out why I cant. It is my opinion that I do not have a cap that is good enough to store what I am recieving. I am getting ready to order some silver mica caps the best military grade . If that does not get me a higher voltage then I have to re group.

Option 1 is quit.

2 I have read his pattens about building caps and try to build some my self

3 Believe that the Gmt has hidden the way to build such caps. I can believe

4 Tesla was full of crap on this idea. I dont believe

With the average of 200v per meter from ground to the sky in theory I should be able to get lots of volts with my set up. Yes it might tahe a long time for it to charge but I cant get over the 300 mv threashhold.

I guess what I am saying i look at the link. If you can help then please do if not this thread will fade because I have no more to add.
Bless
Back
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: 1Worldwatcher on August 01, 2013, 03:01:00 pm
@ Back:

We have been trying to assist, but without being there and with very little too good description's of what is and what is not being acclimated, I can only suggest you do the check list provided by the Radiant Energy Patent's Tesla has offered Back.

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Having described my invention, what I claim is—

1. The method of utilizing radiant energy, which consists in charging one of the armatures of a condenser by rays or radiations, and the other armature by independent means, and discharging the condenser through a suitable receiver, as set forth.

2. The method of utilizing radiant energy, which consists in simultaneously charging a condenser by means of rays or radiations and an independent source of electrical energy, and discharging the condenser through a suitable receiver, as set forth.

3. The method of utilizing radiant energy, which consists in charging one of the armatures of a condenser by rays or radiations, and the other by independent means, controlling the action or effect of said rays or radiations and discharging the condenser through a suitable receiver, as set forth.

4. The method of utilizing radiant energy, which consists in charging one of the armatures of a condenser by rays or radiations and the other by independent means, varying the intensity of the said rays or radiations and periodically discharging the condenser through a suitable receiver, as set forth.

5. The method of utilizing radiant energy, which consists in directing upon an elevated conductor, connected to one of the armatures of a condenser, rays or radiations capable of positively electrifying the same, carrying off electricity from the other armature by connecting the same with the ground, and discharging the accumulated energy through a suitable receiver, as set forth.

6. The method of utilizing radiant energy, which consists in charging one of the armatures of a condenser by rays or radiations, and the other by independent means, and effecting by the automatic discharge of the accumulated energy the operation or control of a suitable receiver, as set forth.

TESLA PATENT 685,958 METHOD OF UTILIZING RADIANT ENERGY (http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-685,958-utilizing-radiant-energy)

Which is also what I had posted with in my response to you and with in trying to figure out what has too be done, from a far, it is granted we can only contribute what you are describing.

I hope you do not give up, if you do, it is all for 'Nil' and deserves your furthering for, if anything , personal gratification of figuring this out.

Give more insight, send me some more pictures and explanation's give us a template of what it is that you plan and also, waiting for the property mapping of the possible lay lines of influence, these are what we have to 'Have' from you and our participation. ;)

I wish I could jump in the truck and drive over to your home, Back, but that is not going to happen, so we need more data. More facts, and more information.

I have a feeling you are going to find Geometry is going to be fundamental with in getting all 'Possibilities' researched.

1WW
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on August 01, 2013, 05:09:01 pm
the o scope is the answer.all signals that you recieve are energy.if the voltage was as high as you think .there would be sparks in the air.also you can have a gigavolt but if your current or amperage is .0000000000000000001 then you will still have no power.volts x amps = watts.watts is power.thats why i have a hard time believing in the tesla car and a few others.now if you had wardencliff running from a few miles away.then there is a good chance you could drive around in a radient reciever car.

if i had the money i would build a thousand cheap recievers because thats the only way i know to bump up the power/ watts.

i could be wrong but in my personal research thats what i came up with.
your work is not in vain.as even i am learning from you.plus if you fail then we will be hesitant to go down that path again.plus new members    will learn from you and not make those mistakes if thats what they are.
ultimately i thankyou for the effort.we shall overcome.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: starwarp2000 on August 02, 2013, 10:22:30 am
Energetic forums are a great bunch, we should liase more often ::)

I have extended an invitation to Aaron Murakami (One of the co-founders) and hope to get him here for a chat. (Maybe Eric Dollard too: But he doesn't like or use computers)


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So you see for every possible source we have both a 'static' or D.C. and a 'dynamic' or A.C. component.
Steinmetz has done something similar with his math, which i find not only genius, but also very funny, it's so very close to Maxwells original 'quaternions' but at the same time extremely refined.

Yes, it is close to Maxwells 'quaternions', but they were uncalculable for 4 variable problems. Steinmetz simplified them to allow for the 'engineering' of the technology.

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it gets interesting, i remember a guy calles Stubblefield who-presumably having read some of Teslas stuff or been to his lectures- had invented something called an 'earth telephone'.
This device not only got it's power from the ground, but it also transmitted signals through it!

Try these for starters, PWM:

http://anomalyinfo.com/articles/sa00005.php (http://anomalyinfo.com/articles/sa00005.php)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Stubblefield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Stubblefield)

http://www.icehouse.net/john1/stubblefield.html (http://www.icehouse.net/john1/stubblefield.html)

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/0887357.pdf (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/0887357.pdf)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHrL6k_BtkU[/youtube]
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: starwarp2000 on August 02, 2013, 10:47:58 am
Ergo Stubblefield:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHPKSdRRPCQ[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcjxA7bYUp0[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsuw12Qr8wk[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28zBEvu5_g4[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD06J9IpbAA[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6a4goOGrgo[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLL7YKO7q8c[/youtube]

Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Back on August 05, 2013, 02:32:29 pm
Hey All

I am Back ;)

Sorry I had so many things going on that I was stressing to the max.

http://www.earthinginstitute.net/commentaries/gaetan_electrical_surface.pdf

I tried to copy page 5 here but could not.

1WW
 If you have not seen it it is some thing for you.

Robo

As you can see there is a huge voltage differential. Current is very small. That is why we dont have sparks ect.

More later after you all have time to look at it

Bless
Back
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on August 05, 2013, 02:53:14 pm
back .i am not trying to offend you so please dont take this personally.

i had to stop after the second page of lies.that thing is loaded with inaccuracies.

there is no way lightning is 300,000 vdc.the ground where it hit would be molten and radioactive.a lightning strike.300,000vdc x 2000 amps is 600,000,000 watts or 600,000 kilowatts of power.and because of that level of voltage radiation would be created.think small nuke.alpha beta and gamma.
second his ohm details are exactly backwards.ohms are resistence and saying dry ground has almost no resitence to electricity.in fairly land maybe.
at least now you know.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on August 05, 2013, 03:01:03 pm
dont be dismayed though.pwm and i are sending you down the right path of research.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on August 06, 2013, 12:11:46 am
i would recommend taking plywood.drill alot of equally spaced holes.put nail in each hole.glue in place.solder wire to each linking all.if you can tell me the voltage you originally got then i can tell you spacing distance between the nails.i bet with a thousand nails you may be able to get some serious power.its in the spacing.i think.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Back on August 06, 2013, 01:59:01 pm
Hey Robo
No problem
I would ask that you look at it more closer. The first referance is to the average total power of  all stormes are producing not just 1 lighting strike.

Bless
Back
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on August 06, 2013, 02:55:10 pm
there is know way to say that .it sure wouldnt be by say a voltage rating.the average lightning bolt is around 10,000 volts.the current is a little harder to figure out.

if you can get a voltage reading of the air on a normal day.then i could tell you what your antenna spacing should be.i will relook .
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on August 06, 2013, 03:18:31 pm
back .i am not trying to offend you so please dont take this personally.

i had to stop after the second page of lies.that thing is loaded with inaccuracies.

there is no way lightning is 300,000 vdc.the ground where it hit would be molten and radioactive.a lightning strike.300,000vdc x 2000 amps is 600,000,000 watts or 600,000 kilowatts of power.and because of that level of voltage radiation would be created.think small nuke.alpha beta and gamma.
second his ohm details are exactly backwards.ohms are resistence and saying dry ground has almost no resitence to electricity.in fairly land maybe.
at least now you know.

Well i would like to correct you guys a little:

In my time as a T.V. man i went to houses that had their antennas struck by lightning, needless to say the tv was kaput and so was the antenna.

Having examined the wiring, i found that the copper core of the co-ax cable from the antenna was not only melted, it was completely gone.

So that means the level (& speed) of the strike was enough to completely vapourise the copper core while leaving the (very soft & inflammable) PVC insulation completely intact. :o

Sad but true. I saw the results.
In effect, a billion watts can flow through a bolt of lightning, thats what happens within this actual universe, & that's what attracted me the most to 762's posts.

We have a new mega-brain amongst us, methinks, let's give him the welcome he deserves :)

Shaun, i will read stuff & get back to you, mate :)
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on August 06, 2013, 03:36:52 pm
pwm may be correct about our new member.if we could get him to come down to more basic things it would help.

back.i read some more and most of his later statements are generally true.its his beginning numbers that are incorrect.

i stand by my statement that multiple attenas or sharp points is the way to go.it can be built cheap but its going to take some time to build.
i would guess pwm would agree with me on this.i would hope you would go forward.just change your path a little.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Back on August 07, 2013, 02:15:42 pm
Hey Robo

Can we agree that the voltage potential is there but with virtually no amps?

Tesla said that it took time to charge, I believe that I am not getting a higher voltage because of the poor quality of caps that I am testing. I have tested probally 100 caps and find some really funny things going on. For example I have tested 2 new caps form the same co with the same value and ratings1 would charge and the other would not. Tesla said that they had to be the finest mica. None of the caps that I have tested have been mica.

I have my eye on some silver mica that I plan on getting pay day. I will see if that improves anything.

I am intrested in your nail thing. Please give me more info on your thughts on this. I could do a test kind of easy. I have plenty of ply wood and a nail gun.

Bless
Back
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on August 07, 2013, 03:07:58 pm
Shawn, i have some 5.5v nanofoil caps you can try, they are 1.1 FARADS each  :o
1,100,000 microfarads 8)

The kind of voltage you want, but with the storage capacity of a football field full of ordinary capacitors.
Just PM me with your adress & i will send you a couple :D
Have 2 go,
Later!
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on August 07, 2013, 04:01:27 pm
the voltage should be at least 50vdc.the amps may be .01.
so if you have 200 nails then this should get you 50vdc x  2amps.that would be 100 watts.so ten sheets of plywood should get you 1000 watts or 1 kilowatt.that would power alot of stuff.

the plywood wood have 1 nail every inch.use a tape measure to mark off inches on all sides then use a chalk line and snap lines.put a nail everywhere two lines cross.thene solder a continuous wire to all of them.then hook wire to cap.be careful.those caps are dangerous and if it dont kill you it will make you mean for a few hours.air conditioner test meters usually have a capacitor tester.almost any cap will work.find an ac tech and ask him to test them or go to ac supply house.they would test your caps for free.

i just dont know the real voltage that the thing is picking up and if voltage is too high then the cap will short out internally.

i think you are overthinking it or got bad caps.you wont even need caps if you get enough plywood with nails.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on August 07, 2013, 04:13:48 pm
high voltage likes points.thats why lightning rods on towers have points.a flat sheet of metal has four points.not real pointy.the more points and the more height are what you want.thats why tesla coils are roundish and so are vandegraphs.to cut down on sparking until a very high charge builds up.if a tesla coil had a point on it then the voltage would leak and the lightning bolts would be tiny little threads.you want to collect the tiny threads.thats why you want points.if im wrong about voltage in the air and its even higher.like on a windy and dry day.then be very careful.remember to have your attenae mount insulated from the ground.like rubber pads or something.the plywood should be a good insulator though.just dont get treeted plywood as its full of salts that conduct.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on August 07, 2013, 04:37:28 pm
oh and on pm talking about the copper wire.he said a billion watts not a billion volts.10,000vdc x 100,000 amps would be a billion watts.its called exploding wires.i have a book called homemade lightning.in the book it gets into exploding wire experiments.10,000vdc x 1 amp was all they were using or less.it doesnt take alot of amps at that voltage to melt a wire.it doesnt take alot of power in general to melt a wire.you can use 100 volts at 100 amps or 1000 volts at 10 amps or 1 volt at 10,000 amps.the power is the same.as far as lightning.a normal strike lets gestimate at 6miles long.light travels at 186,000 miles a second.so that 6 mile bolt only took 6/186000 of a second to strike or 1/31000 of a second.thats alot of power in a very short time.
pwm.when it comes to lightning and hvdc.im the man.lol.at least until i die or you find somebody better to replace me.love u guys.
hope i schooled u back.i can supply references but i would have to take pics from books in my collection.most of this info is hard to find on the net.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: 1Worldwatcher on August 07, 2013, 05:39:43 pm
We are talking EMF here, not discharges of lightning strikes. With that in mind, trim the assumptions of 1.1Mil V to something like .05-1 or 2 or 50 and 60 Hz alternating fields. Thinking on the standards of a lightning strike is not only unpredictable science, it is also a jump of extreme cause and effects.

Though EMF can be polluted by AC Electro-Magnetic fields i.e. Radio towers, Cell towers or any other form of radiant transmissions, the scale we are trying to tap on are the lower end of these fields. Adding Mica caps and what not increases the absorption factors, and are fundamentally important, but for the most part, and with using double connected 12V Batteries as Back has confided with me, it becomes a situation of acclimation with in the lowest potentials.

Vaporized copper wiring and lightning strike is something to be concerned about doing these tests, but at the end of the day, it is not desired expectation's of the test when running a Simple radiant receiver to try and accommodate 100W power supply.

As far as I can tell, EMF's are acquired by approximately 361 different merging lines of influence. Though they don't have a name for these 361 lines, they are what creates the magnetic lines, as in Lay Lines, with in the EMF tables of the Earth. Ironically enough, and with simple division, this accurately runs on the geometry of the PI ( or is a mathematical constant equal to a circle's circumference divided by its diameter.) Which happens to be based on the Circumference of the Earth.

There is more I am looking into on this Back, there is a lot of Geometry involved with all thing's considered static, and whether you confide in my abilities as a researcher or not, the proposition of adding Geometry to the lay of the land will bear fruitful results, we just have to connect these lines of interest. Then we start seeing figures like 361 to the power of ?. ;)

Sorry I haven't been posting here, want to get all I can on fuller understanding of why these fundamental thing's are so vital. There is a lot to the Earth Energy theories, and all I want to do is contribute.

1WW
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on August 07, 2013, 06:39:03 pm
emfs are all voltages.look at that antigue chart that was posted last week or pull up a newer version.if i understand correctly the plan is to get as much power from the atmosphere as possible.to do that you take a metal point and check for voltage to ground.bying using a test meter or that o scope.then use that voltage to determine spacing.about 1 inch per thousand volts+-.then start making points until you get the total power/wattage you need.

turning  the plywood sheets towards ley lines may amp these numbers up.

i know of no simpler way to suck power out of the air/aether.it sucks all emf except uv .xrays.and gamma.the spacing protects against neutralization due to atmospheric fluctuations.a thousand volts needs more spacing than fifty volts.but on a dry day with wind.the voltage in the air will be higher.also on a dry winter day or snow hitiing the points.even rain will leave a charge through friction.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: 1Worldwatcher on August 08, 2013, 01:25:55 am
I agree robo, and that is why I brought up the 361 unknown merging lines of geometry creating these Static effects. I am not so sure that it is all going to be a sacred geometry, but I don't have a problem with in such things being connected.

You have to remember that I am 'NOT' and electrical Engineer, but with the help of a few here with in our group, I have a better understanding and research habits for such debacles and further understanding, very hard to type some times the words I want to convey without having to post with quoted materials, hope you understand, for you are much more advanced with in the EE field than I am, and I know it. ;)

As you had stated, orientation may very well be the big player on the field for acclimating such desired effects. Using the EMF Detector would just make that more efficient with in our personal research and understanding as too 'IF' it does make that much of a difference.

If you feel my input is unnecessary or redundant for sharing, let me know, I can drop out of the conversation and let you real EE's get the job done, no offense is taken. ;)

1WW
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on August 08, 2013, 03:26:17 am
ive said about all i can until he gets some results.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: thorfourwinds on August 08, 2013, 07:29:21 am
1WW, I for one, am thoroughly enjoying and actually learning a bit from all the interplay.

Please stay involved, as I am sure all are interested in your invaluable input.

Been following up on the links and Yikes!

Much can be learned following such links...:P

Thank you all.

tfw
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on August 08, 2013, 01:10:59 pm
Hmm, yes and no.
Yes the average lightning strike is not that much it terms of watts, it is the high voltage that ionises the air & the copper so that they are then free to burn which they do.
But like i posted, what kind of energy completely vapourises a .8 mm solid copper wire 40 feet long & yet leave the soft plastic tubing completely intact??
This was the good quality stuff with the hollow poly ethylene core, that stuff also melts very easily....

Anyway, my point is that within this plasma state, the ordinary rules of physics do not apply.

Also we are entering a zpe scenario where all the energy in the universe can pass through a single point smaller than an electron.
The term 'zero pint' has actually two explanations, since the commonly held view is that it is referring to the fact that electrons remain active even at absolute zero temperature, where theoretically there is no (thermal) energy to sustain subatomic motion.

Dr Chris told me that when an electron is hit by, or 'captures' a photon, it gains kinetic energy, not electrical charge, and therefore should be subject to the laws of thermodynamics, which it usually does.
But an electron will never stop spinning, even when you remove all the (observable) energy from the system.

Obviously there is another source of energy present....

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Vaporized copper wiring and lightning strike is something to be concerned about doing these tests, but at the end of the day, it is not desired expectation's of the test when running a Simple radiant receiver to try and accommodate 100W power supply.

Look at the Testatika machine, it draws energy from it's surroundings, easily 100W, and it doesn't even use an 'antenna' as such.
The trick i guess is this;
Nature will supply ANY amount of energy necessary to correct an 'imbalance'.

By creating a dipole (potential difference or 'voltage') you are creating a small imbalance, & Nature supplies the energy to try & correct it.

The more unbalanced you make a system, the more energy will be expended by nature to correct it.

Think of electrochemical or nuclear reactions.

Gravity, light, & even time itself can be warped, given the correct amount & form of energy.

As usual we will be creating an unbalanced situation, and Nature will supply the energy & the field itself.

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there is a lot of Geometry involved with all thing's considered static, and whether you confide in my abilities as a researcher or not, the proposition of adding Geometry to the lay of the land will bear fruitful results, we just have to connect these lines of interest.

Yes, geometry seems to be the emerging issue here, i was amazed by that Ed Leedskalnin analysis of the words & numbers he used.
But i'm still not a Rodin fan :P

Definitely our first step must be to make a few simple machines, both static 'ground' type and A.C. 'radiant' type & tune them & play with them & record our results.
Several of us should do this, so we can compare results, i will be happy to participate & build some recievers (if i get the time, LOL)

In the meantime Back, your first thought should be what kind of voltage can be picked up & stored & at what frequency.

The ley lines are there, but they are either DC or oscillate very slowly, like twice per minute.
Frequencies that low will be impossible to rectify & use, so we should be looking at harmonics of the Schumann frequency etc.

(on a side note, i built a gravity wave reciever a'la T.T. Brown some time ago, it still needs many hours of tuning & testing.....)

Robo, spikes are good for attracting lightning but for the wrong reasons, it's a good place for electrons to gather before 'jumping' to make a spark. Since the field strength is literally electrons per sq. centimeter, if you squeeze enough of them into a small space like that, the field strength is enough for a spark.

Ever notice why Tesla's first lab had a large copper sphere on a pole on the roof?

A sphere is the perfect form to capture electrons, they will spread out evenly over the surface, so you can just keep adding new ones, and of course a sphere is the greatest surface area for the smallest volume, so it's a natural capacitor.
(that will make Bill happy)
Nature isn't stoopid, guys ;) She knows what she's doing all right.
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As you had stated, orientation may very well be the big player on the field for acclimating such desired effects. Using the EMF Detector would just make that more efficient with in our personal research and understanding as too 'IF' it does make that much of a difference.

What we need is a 'grid dip meter'

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I had one, but i lent it to my brother, i hope he still has it...he used it to win a court case against a mobile phone antenna near his house.

The law is simple, if the field is higher than 1 volt per meter, it's too strong, and the meter read almost 2 volts ;)
At least, that was the law back then, maybe they changed it now.

Most peeps don't know this & freely allow these dangerous EHF repeaters to be placed, because the telecom companies tell them it's 'perfectly safe'

Thor, you ain't seen nuttin' yet, we're just warming up :D
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Back on August 08, 2013, 05:32:52 pm
Hey All

A lot going on here. Mind blowing in a good way. Thanks for all the replies.

First Robo

I did a crude test with your nail idea. I used 6 roofing nails in a small piece of plywood and was surprised that at half the height of my antenna recieved only 2 mv less. I will do more testing on your idea.

1WW

Your input is always welcome. Some times I dont reply because I am ignort about what you are saying. For example> I had an idea of what ley lines are but I took a crash corse today and was surprised of the geometry of it. I found a map.

http://www.loohan.com/grid.gif

It shows me being smack in the middle of a triangle of 3 lines :o I dont know if that is important. worth looking into but i do not set on one.

PWM

I thank you four kind offer for the super cap. I would love to have it but at this time I have no use for it. I an in search of higher voltage.

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By creating a dipole (potential difference or 'voltage') you are creating a small imbalance, & Nature supplies the energy to try & correct it.

The more unbalanced you make a system, the more energy will be expended by nature to correct it.

You got that spot on ;D
That is what I am trying to do.

Sooo
Can we all come to an agreement that there is a large DC potential differance between ground an the sky? Can we also agree that this potential can be between 50 v/m to 400v/m depending on location and wether conditions?

That is the heart of my thoughts and expirements.

I need the "best mica caps available" to create this unballenced situation.
If the silver mica caps have a low enough leakage between the plates to give me a higher voltage then I do believe I can produce some real power. Low leakage is the key in my opinion ;D

Wow this is a long post for me. I am working the DC angle.
Guys
Again I thank all of you for your input.
Bless
Shawn
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on August 09, 2013, 07:20:35 am
i may be wrong or you have already said but your spark gap is voltage setting.i think.if you had a vacuum tube with a spark gap it would be more reliable.or maybe there is a rectifier that would work.you can use two wood screws .screwed at angles for a spark gap that way the gap is adjustable.make sure screws dont have a coating or paint on them.just some ideas that may help.
that way if you are getting a half volt.the cap could bring it up to twelve then short across the gap and into a battery.dont want to blow yourself up so have the gap away from the battery.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: 1Worldwatcher on August 09, 2013, 09:24:46 am
I wonder if Tesla's "hairpin" functions as a resonant circuit would assist in the 'Regulating' the EM with directional or ground mounted copper/Aluminum foot base system. I am imagining this would ride over the antenna, there by creating stop/short circuit areas for amplifying the radiant energy from 3-10 Micro Farads?

It is essentially a length of parallel conductor transmission line with a shorting bar at the far end. This would allow for a depth set kind of device for the hair pin device. Though they are used for different applications with in the Tesla design's, may prove worthy for an attempt of 'In Ground' application ? ???

This makes up a "resonant line" which is capable of producing standing waves (Through the Hair Pin Device) on the parallel lines at all frequencies to which the length of the line is an appropriate wavelength (fraction or multiple.) There by manipulating all available resonance energy for operational desired effects?

Its drawback is that some portion of the energy contained within its resonance will "radiate" into the surrounding space unless it is shielded. And I heard you can do this with simple aluminum foil and then run ground line back to antenna, also insulated. But, I am not 100% sure.

The shorting bar at the opposite end is a near perfect reflector of radiant (RF) energy. This is where the spark gap could occur, but, with our device, not sure if it is absolutely necessary as of right now, can always add this at a later time if need be.

The "shorted line resonator" is an efficient tuned circuit for high frequencies and is the principle upon which the resonant cavity, which Hair Pin Device is made of 3/4" Copper tubing, is understood, there by achieving a EMF sort of OU with in magnetic fields, once again, I am not 100% sure.

I don't have an example of the Tesla Hair Pin device, but you can search the different ones out on Google Images, they do get quite complexed with in design.

1WW
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on August 09, 2013, 10:27:18 am
i dont know the hvac side of stuff.like the tesla coil.
someone suggested big metal ball.big balls are great for storing charge .points are good for collecting.but i may be wrong.just what i think i read.maybe back could test the theory.

also pwms comment earlier about 60hz.im curious if that frequency has alot of energy in it.thats power lines and human eyesight.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: 1Worldwatcher on August 10, 2013, 09:01:42 am
i dont know the hvac side of stuff.like the tesla coil.

Well, I am thinking this being a Radiant Receiver would based on geographical location and the EMF range one is dealing  with for that vicinity robo. The coil itself of Tesla is a
whole different monster.

The 'Hairpin Device' I had mentioned is a sort of 'Circuit Modifier' from what I understand, there by amplifying the signal to certain potential with in these magic frequency areas.

I have read some on this device, and the more I read about what it was doing, Back's layout seemed to fit the 'Hairpin Device's' intentions right on the head for the problem's he was experiencing as far as charge consistencies and reading's.

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someone suggested big metal ball.big balls are great for storing charge .points are good for collecting.but i may be wrong.just what i think i read.maybe back could test the theory.

I have done a lot of research into Spherical applications, and the one thing that is painfully obvious is that it really is a great receiver, not because of the frequencies it is harnessing, but because the natural circular shape allows for the charges being implemented seem to create their own 'Merging Lines of Influence' such as the natural gravitational properties of earths magnetosphere and the influences of the Helios Sphere creating a naturally produced Plasma cross section with in Earth's magnetic tail.

I know we are speaking of much more power and interacting properties of this area of our planets working model, but, for the most part, and with confidence with such people as A.C. Holt, it is all frequency oriented and related. On another note, with all that is associated with in such natural occurring and fundamental acquisition of the Plasma bi-products seen with the 'Merging Line Effects' it is openly accepted that with in and on earths magnetic lines, the same interactions are seen, only in smaller scale compared to the galactic influences of the Earth's magnetosphere and the Helios Sphere.

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also pwms comment earlier about 60hz.im curious if that frequency has alot of energy in it.thats power lines and human eyesight.

This is another instance where the Cosmos and the Earth's potentials are measurable. Many, many researcher's, including Tesla have found there is a sweet spot with in the ranges from 50-60Hz. This also seems to be one of those 'Geographical Locations' conundrum's for acclimating exact scientific calculation's, I am currently getting farther educated by another member with in our PRC groups of how these influences from Schumann's resonance Effect and other varying inter-playing frequencies can cause these reading's to be somewhat of a 'True/False' because they are all amalgamated into a single signal, and being manipulated to the natural forces as we attempt to harness them too a singularity. Any single Signal we read from any meter, oscilloscope or compass is a reading of all these forms of natural energy combined, though, with the compass, it is the natural strongest reading due to the polarities of our planet, which by the way is the simplest of all gadgetry and yet can give you precise oriented readings of directional manipulation, provided one isn't in the "Zone of silence" or any other one of Earth's Magnetic weird spots.

50-60Hz seems too be the 'Acclimation Range' too many researcher's, and is quoted as such by many scientists.

If you look at one of the 'Hairpin Devices' Tesla has designed, I would think that by adding a Sphere with it positioned between these to grounded pins, one would get readings from Earths magnetic fields on it's own, but placing them on the path of an antenna separated by a continual measurement of distance, frequency would be more articulated and there by controlled throughout the process of using such a thing as Radiant Receiver. But once again, I must confess, I am only making suggestions, whether they prove to be fruitful or not, that remains yet to be seen.

I learn so much from you all here that it is humbling that you guy's are willing to educate me, If it weren't for all your guy's patience, I would have moved on long ago. but with honesty and sharing our ideas and continued respect for one another, there is no doubt we can accomplish some great thing's as a team effort.

Not too mention, I love to be educated correctly the first time. Rewriting history seems too be all to common as of lately, and I do believe we can all agree to that. ;)

1WW
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on August 10, 2013, 11:11:49 am
agreed.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Back on August 10, 2013, 01:56:12 pm
Agreed

I have no plan at this time for a spark gap. If we can get the voltage up I will play with it for 2 reasons. Safty and incase the shtf and there is no solid state devices.

My origional plan and still is to use a 555 timer to control a mosfet to discharge large hi v hi current pulses.

When I get the silver mica caps in and if I am unable to get the voltage that think i should then I have to pick a path. If I am then I have to go to plan B.

I missed u all on chat yesterday. I did chat with PWM. The 98 hz that I am getting did come and we were poth puzzled about. I need to take my mobile antenna and place it about 200 ft south of my main antenna and run an extension cord for my oscope to see if I am still getting the 98 hz signal. It will rule out any interferiances that might be comming from my shop.

He thinks that there might be some auto calibration for freq on my scope. I dont have a full manual or a freq generator so I have to research that.

If my scope is close to being in calibration and if I am still setting the 98 hz signal away from my shop then I may be on to something.

This is VERY important if above is verified.
Lets talkAbout the Schuman Frequencies.

The stander thought is the fundimental is 7.83 OK the next is plus 6.5 this I have neer under stound. if it is harmonic it should be 15.66 not 14.3

so if we follow the standard of 6.5 if you add it up you do find 98 hz in the list ???

K guys Sorry if this is incorherent but I started having some major back spasems last night and had to take a pill to move kind of groggry.

Bless
Back
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on August 10, 2013, 03:37:45 pm
Ok so we are getting somewhere ;)

Yes silver mica & ceramics have very low loss, but you don't get them very big so you will need to stack a whole lot of them together (in parallel) to get anywhere near 10uF.

But they are free on old circuit boards, the best ones ( or at least easily recognised) are the grey blocks with transparent plastic on each end & a stack of thin mica sheets & foil (made from or containing silver), some others are black or blue plastic moulded blocks, depending on manufacturer.

These are anywhere from 50 to 500 volts so they are more suitable for what you are doing.

There are also some very big electrolytics from 300-500v DC but they gave more internal leakage.
But they are great for 'short term' storage :)

Which is how the machine should work, IMHO, the caps store energy from the oscillator / antenna circuit, then it goes to an inverter or a battery system.

A simple diode between each circuit is enough, if the voltage from the antenna circuit is higher than the battery etc then current will flow, but not backwards from the battery to the antenna.

Yes, the 'hairpin device' is a standing wave effect, also the basis for microwave ntennas & also something called a Travelling Wave Tube Amplifier (also caled a 'tweeta' or 'tweeter', which i posted on somewhere, maybe in the TTB threads ::)

Funny how they called it a 'tube amplifier' instead of 'amplifier tube' but then the acronym would be kinda rude :P

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Any single Signal we read from any meter, oscilloscope or compass is a reading of all these forms of natural energy combined, though, with the compass, it is the natural strongest reading due to the polarities of our planet, which by the way is the simplest of all gadgetry and yet can give you precise oriented readings of directional manipulation, provided one isn't in the "Zone of silence" or any other one of Earth's Magnetic weird spots.

Eggzactly!
That's where tuned circuits come in, you just tune the system to that area & see what the voltage is.
As regards ley lines, i'm not sure if we could generate any power from them, they are of such low frequency it would be difficult...

Back is actually in the ideal place to test for natual phenomena since he's far enough away from all man-made interference.

Balls, balls i say!
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/images/GWpics/DA1.JPG)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/images/GWpics/DA2.JPG)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/images/GWpics/DA3.JPG)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/images/GWpics/DA4.JPG)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/images/GWpics/DA5.JPG)

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I have no plan at this time for a spark gap. If we can get the voltage up I will play with it for 2 reasons. Safty and incase the shtf and there is no solid state devices.

Not needed IMO not at these power levels.
You can always just use a neon lamp across the circuit instead of a spark gap, it will light up at about 70 volts & will limit spikes to that voltage, like a 'natural zener diode', also a very good idea to have non solid-state equipment, Ivan had valve radios in the early MIG's for a very good reason... 8)


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The 98 hz that I am getting did come and we were poth puzzled about. I need to take my mobile antenna and place it about 200 ft south of my main antenna and run an extension cord for my oscope to see if I am still getting the 98 hz signal. It will rule out any interferiances that might be comming from my shop.

Yes i'm still thinking on that one, i will need to build a similar antenna & ground & see what frequencies arrive.......

But i'm in a city in the most densely populated country in the world, so noise is a big problem for me.

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This is VERY important if above is verified.
Lets talkAbout the Schuman Frequencies.

The stander thought is the fundimental is 7.83 OK the next is plus 6.5 this I have neer under stound. if it is harmonic it should be 15.66 not 14.3 so if we follow the standard of 6.5 if you add it up you do find 98 hz in the list

Yes, but i heard that the schumann is speeding up & is currently around 18=19 Hz, so the harmonics etc will also have changed.

We really do need some kind of unilateral measurements performed by the members here, at least that way we will have a vague pic of the freq's & voltages present around the world...........but i would think somebody has already done that, we need to find their data ;)

No need to re-invent the wheel guys, if someone has already done the leg-work all we need to do is find them :D

Sorry to hear about your back, Back (pun not intended :P ) i know what that feels like, i hope you're feeling better.

I never take any kind of pill, so when i'm in pain i feel all of it, i try to beat it with will-power alone.
Easier said than done tho........

Later!

p.s. sorry i missed you guys on Skype, will be there tomorrow sometime, lots to catch up on.

And i would also like to welcome SoundLightWaves to our little group,  please make him feel at home peeps ;)
PWM
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: 1Worldwatcher on August 10, 2013, 08:59:57 pm
PWM WROTE:
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Yes, but i heard that the schumann is speeding up & is currently around 18=19 Hz, so the harmonics etc will also have changed.

We really do need some kind of unilateral measurements performed by the members here, at least that way we will have a vague pic of the freq's & voltages present around the world...........but i would think somebody has already done that, we need to find their data ;)

Funny you should say that, it was sometime ago I had requested through the Schumann resonance thread of a contributory global watch with in a four day process of the resonance effect and how fluctuations were possibly reading into weather fronts and also too see if such thing's as meteor showers, NEO's or anything in earths atmosphere can have an exacting contributor or signal there in or of. Of course the only one that responded was Deuem (Miss our fellow IG Member) and we didn't have a  lot of time to collaborate what and if's of the scenario's that were playing out due to his unexpected move he had to tend too.(I Hope him and his wife are well)

Regardless, while I was trying to farther understand the possible mechanics of the Schumann Resonance Effect, I ran across a 24 hour a day updated sight with global alerting throughout the entire planet.

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The Spectrogram Calendar displays data from the magnetic field detectors deployed by the Global Coherence Initiative research team to monitor the resonances occurring in the plasma waves constantly circling the earth in the ionosphere.

These daily spectrograms show the activity occurring at the various resonant frequencies from 1 to 50 Hz. Within the spectrogram, the power, or intensity level of each frequency is displayed as a color, with yellow being the most intense. The Schumann resonances appear as the horizontal lines at 7.8,14, 20, 26, 33 & 39 Hz.

In this calendar, each day begins at midnight UTC (Coordinated Universal Time).

This site also contains such things as:

GCMS Magnetometer 24 Hour Power Total

NOAA ACE Solar Wind Speed & GOES Magnetometer

Global Consciousness Project – Random Network Variance

All these areas of  the site have hover cursor capabilities and give you incremental measurements of the areas of concern also has collaborations with all Schumann Resonance measurements coinciding after a 24 hour period to the hour, so very updated for easily acquired up to the hour real time Schumann Resonance reading's and current status if such.

Global Coherence Initiative -Live Data (http://www.glcoherence.org/monitoring-system/live-data.html)

Once you get to this page, it has a number of different areas it offer's you, just kind of browse the site and get your bearing's, though I have not used it enough to master it, it has a tonne of information with in it's respective area's. ;)

1WW
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on August 10, 2013, 09:51:04 pm
just my opinion.gci is  a scam and that web owner is batshit crazy.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: 1Worldwatcher on August 10, 2013, 10:25:48 pm
just my opinion.gci is  a scam and that web owner is batpoop crazy.

Well robo, I don't know what to say. Search USGS Schumann resonance Effect real time daily monitoring and there are even bigger 'BatPoop Crazies' getting in on the whole Schumann explanation. actually, "Guess who is number five on the list of best or first search returns?"

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/Endangered_Earth_Schumann_Resonance_001.html (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/Endangered_Earth_Schumann_Resonance_001.html)

So, if you have a better alternative to even attempt this without building sensitivity devices for the globe, we should at least give this a try. ::)

There are all kinds of sites that want to explain it to you, but not a one that offers anything remotely close to the one I have found. I can't find anything that supports your opinion, but will look into this a bit deeper before I commit to the trust factor.

Either way, and if all is checking out, we might as well use the site for it's free access and also keep a watchful eye on what they have to say as far as reading's and updates, then we can go from there.

Even the USGS doesn't offer such measurements with in the Schumann resonance Effect, not that I can find anyway, but i do appreciate the heads up on this particular site, if it should be all smoke and mirrors, so far, I have never second guessed it until you made mention. Thanks!! ;)

1WW
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on August 11, 2013, 12:09:45 am
ill take it back if usgs has sonething to do with it
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on August 11, 2013, 12:24:03 am
hell.i didnt even know schumann resonance was real.i wiki and it states that schumann will only get 300microvolts wheras static can get 150volts.big difference in powerper square meter.

my apologies.i recognize it as elf.i didnt know they had a name tied to it.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: 1Worldwatcher on August 11, 2013, 08:14:08 am
hell.i didnt even know schumann resonance was real.i wiki and it states that schumann will only get 300microvolts wheras static can get 150volts.big difference in powerper square meter.

my apologies.i recognize it as elf.i didnt know they had a name tied to it.

If it wasn't for Schumann's research, Tesla wouldn't have had any hero's!! Tesla followed Schumann's words as if they were intellectual guide posts, especially with such devices he has dared to venture, such as "Wireless Energy", "Wireless Communication" and last but not least "Radiant Energy"

Where you are getting those number's, I am not sure, Schumann has always been measured in Freq. Hz, Thing's like lay lines are in Microns. Radiant Energy from 3-10 Micro Farads.

AS stated previously:

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These daily spectrograms show the activity occurring at the various resonant frequencies from 1 to 50 Hz. Within the spectrogram, the power, or intensity level of each frequency is displayed as a color, with yellow being the most intense. The Schumann resonances appear as the horizontal lines at 7.8,14, 20, 26, 33 & 39 Hz.

1WW
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on August 11, 2013, 09:32:43 am
 http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances  (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances)wikipedia schumann resonance i think.under measurements
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: 1Worldwatcher on August 12, 2013, 04:46:05 pm
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances  (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances)wikipedia schumann resonance i think.under measurements

Good Ole Wiki!! ;) I have visited that page so many times, I am betting the internet binder holding it together is about to come undone!! Ha ha ha ha! 8)

There are a lot of scientists that use Schumann's model for deductive mathematics, there is little to nothing out there explaining on a daily, 24 hr period basis of it's effect's on our planet. IS why I was extremely happy to find the Global Coherence Initiative website. ;)

As I was doing research with in the CMB's (Cosmic Microwave Back round) I was very excited to see how the Schumann model can pertain possibly to all planets and bodies in our cosmos. So, needless to say "The Schumann Resonance Effect is very real." Really opens the mind's doorways for further understanding of how these 'Coincidental' forces can expand the Universe as a magnetic Frequency Perpetual Mechanical Monster, for lack of a better word.

1WW
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on August 12, 2013, 05:15:59 pm
it may be relevent to the voltage gradient.i believe the gradient goes on for a long difference.out into space.maybe deep space.or it may blend withe space gradient.whatever voltage that is.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on August 14, 2013, 04:01:16 pm
The last graph is particularly interesting, noting the effects on random number generators, hence the 'coherence' name.
Go back & read the whole page, guys ;)
Later!
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Back on August 15, 2013, 02:09:22 pm
PWM
Please specify graph.

Talked to the "Old Man" today today and he doesnt understand why I am not getting a higher voltage either.

Have to think.
Bless
Back
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on August 15, 2013, 03:13:36 pm
I meant the last graph on this page;
http://www.glcoherence.org/monitoring-system/live-data.html (http://www.glcoherence.org/monitoring-system/live-data.html)

and the text below it:
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Global Consciousness Project – Random Network Variance
The Global Consciousness Project maintains a global network of Random Number Generators; this network has shown non-random activity during widely shared experiences of deeply engaging events. This network is designed to document and display any subtle, but direct effects of our collective consciousness reacting to global events. The research hypothesis predicts the appearance of coherence and structure in the globally distributed data collected during major events that emotionally engage the world population.

The above strip chart displays a 24 hour moving window sum of the variance of the networks generators. Each point on the chart represents the cumulative sum of the random output from the GCP RNG network over the past 24 hours with a resolution of 1-minute. The display can be scaled to show the previous 7, 14, 21 or 28 days of data with the drop down menu in the lower right section of the display. Horizontal red lines represent 95% and 99% confidence intervals for expected range of the network output. While deviations above and below these lines can still be expected from the randomly fluctuating output of the network they are expected to be infrequent. Consistent deviations from randomness correlating with collective consciousness reactions to global events may represent the impact of consciousness on the network.

 :o :o ??? ::) :P :-X

THAT graph doesnt reveal much, but the text is very revealing, certain experiments in the past have shown that a state of mind (or group of minds) can directly affect electronic equipment, and a random number genny is electronic, and if you affect it's randomness, it shows ;)

Food for thought, yes?

Sorry i have other stuff to do, but this kind of interests me :)
Later!

ETA your question: It's either not enough antenna, not enough earth, or too low a resistance in the circuit.
That last one is normally the culprit, you need to 'open' the circuit somehow & monitor the caps as they charge.

I would have to be there to be of further help, sorry :-[

But we are on the case, mate!
 8)
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Back on August 16, 2013, 02:11:42 pm
Hey Pwm

Quote
It's either not enough antenna, not enough earth, or too low a resistance in the circuit.
That last one is normally the culprit, you need to 'open' the circuit somehow & monitor the caps as they charge

I see what you are saying. I will work on the resistance and see what happens. This will lower the charge rate but I need the voltage.

You forgot the 4th thing. I dont have a clue as to what I am doing :'( And that is probally it.

Thanks
Back
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on August 23, 2013, 03:05:48 pm
That 4h thing is what inventors call ''luck'' lol
You are doing fine, will get back to you on this, we may have found the stuff we need to do the measurements...
Later _8
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on August 23, 2013, 05:53:20 pm
hey back.done anymore on your test?
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: thorfourwinds on August 23, 2013, 07:22:51 pm
Yo RoboPuf:

Check this out:


Frequency, NOT Time,
is speeding up (or collapsing).

For thousands of years the Schumann
Resonance or pulse (heartbeat) of Earth
has been 7.83 cycles per second.
The military have used this as a
very reliable reference.

However, since 1980 this
resonance has been slowly rising.
It is now over 12 cycles per second!

This is ‘like’ saying a day rushes
by in 16 hours instead of the old 24 hours.

Another interpretation is, we,
or rather Consciousness
have been down this same road seven times
before over the last 16 billion years.

Each of these cycles of Creation
runs 20 times faster than the last one.
The same amount of Creation is paced 20 times tighter.

This is why time seems to be going so fast.
It is not “time” but Creation itself that is accelerating.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on August 23, 2013, 08:28:30 pm
 ive read stuff like that.i dont have an opinion on it yet.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on August 24, 2013, 04:22:54 pm
Quote
Each of these cycles of Creation
runs 20 times faster than the last one.
The same amount of Creation is paced 20 times tighter.

This is why time seems to be going so fast.
It is not “time” but Creation itself that is accelerating.

We are well aware of this, bumping this thread fr future reference....................
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on August 24, 2013, 04:23:45 pm
LATER!
Jeez, only yesterday i passed '2112' by Rush.

Now it's 2212 & ihave nothing better to add than this:
[youtube]zQc6_QVyMo8[/youtube]

ENJOY!

PWM
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Back on August 26, 2013, 03:10:35 pm
Sorry guys
I have been overloaded. My co brought in 3 "proto type" units in and told me to make them work >:( They are junk!!!! But I have been able to get them on line sort of ::) Alot more work needs to be done before I trust them. Also soccer has started and I am the head coach.

Soooo
PWM I tried adding resistance to the circuit I did not see any differance. I know the ground is good as can be. The resistance des not seem to mater at this point. So my antenna must be at fault.

I have desided that I must get an alumimun plate the next time I go to the city. I have the equipement to pollish it to a merror  my best jewelers pollish is 20000 microns ;D

PWM

I know we talked about it you are 100% correct. It does act like a solar cell with props. I always get a small voltage but in full sunlight it almost doubles.

Bless
Back
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on August 26, 2013, 04:46:30 pm
since barn tin is coated in zinc and zinc reacts with ultraviolet.you should be able to turn a sheet of barn tin into a solar cell.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on September 17, 2013, 10:01:25 am
Mmm, many forms of energy hitting the plate, or rather lots of different wavelengths of EM energy.

Yes i suppose that would work also.

Better still try both & see which one is better ;)
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Back on October 15, 2013, 01:37:59 pm
Hey All

I know it has been some time and time flies. So much is happining on Peggy that I cant keep up.

Robo as a Mod what is the world coming to. At least you havent sunk to the bottem and asked me.

Robo
Just kidding saw it in you a long time ago if you remember. Congrats ;D

Below is a quote that might be the road block that I have with my reciever.

Quote
7. The problem I see is that the ground has an AC component to it because of
 the 50 Hz grid power so without a FWBR the cap is driven negative by the
 ground I think. With a bigger higher plate the ground AC would not be such an
 issue. But with low potentials, the ground AC can negate the plate input
 because the ground AC can be in the 100's of mV range.
 
Basically for these thing to work well they would need to be very carefully
 constructed with very low loss parts and while taking into account the
 activity in the ground. The cap needs to be exposed to DC only,
the ground AC applied should be less potential than the resultant DC supplied
 to the cap over the same time period. The ground is not a steady DC potential.
 
Applying 100 mW DC to a cap that is exposed to 200 mW PP AC will have little
 effect the AC will discharge the capacitor.
 
Hanging the plate from non conductive support wire's will insulate the plate
 from it's mounting pole apparatus ect. as well as isolate it from the ground
 except for through the capacitor.
 
Cheers
 

My ground wire runs directly beside my 220v coming into my shop.

Luke

Before I rewire I would love to hear your thoughts of to how far away I need to go away.

Bless
Back
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on October 15, 2013, 04:18:04 pm
Hi mates, sorry i was busy, as you can see ;)

Not something i would have expected, this high AC component.

First of all, the earth.

All earthing points need to assemble at one place, namely the reciever or caps.

If you have a 'triangle' instead of  a 'star' type wiring, you will have a loop which picks up AC (yes even in the ground wire). The length of these ground wires doesn't really matter, i've used them at 10 feet but those at the Marconi station in England were 100 feet or more from the building (where the reciever was housed).

How deep? Over here if i drill 6 feet i hit ground water already, i think for you it may be deeper. Definitely if you hit wet ground you are deep enough...


The rectifying, Hmm, you maybe can use the old fashioned Selenium rectifiers (those multi-plate types from old battery chargers) they have a very low breakdown voltage.

You can even make a super LV diode by 'rusting' one side of a steel plate. Stack a few of these up & you wil have a type of diode ;)
Also by using dissimilar metals like copper & zinc ;)

I will have to do some experiments now :P to see if that works... ::)

I promise i will devote more time to this, once we have rounded off a few things..
Later!
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Back on October 17, 2013, 01:52:14 pm
Hey Luke

Over load ;D

I know that you are way busy. I was asking how far away should my antenna leads be away from my incoming antenna wires ( ground and aerial) should be away from the incoming 220v power to my shop to nulify the effect.

Sorry I did not make that point clear :(   In this thread I pointed out that an ac componet.

Quote
All earthing points need to assemble at one place, namely the reciever or caps.

If you have a 'triangle' instead of  a 'star' type wiring, you will have a loop which picks up AC (yes even in the ground wire

Please explain when you have time.
Bless
Back
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on October 17, 2013, 02:17:36 pm
Oh i see,

As long as the power supply (in this case none) is wel insulated & filtered from any incoming signal, on earth lines this is difficult, i have had the Jehova's channel coming in clear as day on my gravity recievers. Turned out it was coming from the 300v power supply & the mains cable :P

Better to use batteries & even co-ax cable for the PSU & all other connections.

If the voltage from the ground system is that high, we should be using it to store energy o power the circuit, you see?

I have to think on this, it's getting late, much to do tomorrow,,,,
See ya later, intrepid explorers of the Infinite!

;D
PWM.....
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on October 17, 2013, 04:55:24 pm
havent seen you in awhile back.where do you stand on your project.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Back on October 20, 2013, 12:18:33 pm
Hey Robo

With so much going on at work I have only had time to think. With winter coming I should ahve more free time ;D

Luke

From what i understand the AC component in the ground is from the grid. Or in my case the burried cable that feeds power to my shop. I was wondering how far away should my ground and antenna leads coming into my shop shouuld be away from my incoming power to negate the interferance.

Yes I have thought long about harvesting the AC but when all is said and done I would still be connected to the grid. If it is true that the ground AC is what is causing me to be not to me able to get a higher DC charge from the the potential that is there then I need to get rid of it if I can.

There is a large natural DC potential from ground and the atmosphere. That is what i am trying to work with. From what I understand it can be more than 100 v per meter. I will provide link next post.

Bless
Back
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on October 20, 2013, 02:37:58 pm
Quote
I was wondering how far away should my ground and antenna leads coming into my shop shouuld be

As short as you can make it, freind ;D

Quote
Yes I have thought long about harvesting the AC but when all is said and done I would still be connected to the grid. If it is true that the ground AC is what is causing me to be not to me able to get a higher DC charge from the the potential that is there then I need to get rid of it if I can

Yes, i think that is the general idea also, read my latest posts..

Much more to do & say on this subject, but my time is limited...sorry guys......

-PWM-
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on October 21, 2013, 03:09:22 pm
Ah, i see, sorry :-[

Completely missed the point, Duh!

Short answer; 6-10 feet at least.

Long answer;
Yes, they should be seperated, and preferably with something like a wall or steel mesh in between. The buried cable should have a steel sheath which is probably grounded as well, it might be worth isolating it at the meter end (as long as you have a separate ground for the household supply of course).

So i guess you now have 2 ground rods, one for the house & another (or several) for the radiant reciever..?

Local neutral lines may also be grounded in a lot of cases, so that can also be a source of noise, the neutral line (where i am) carries about 4 volts AC, way too high for what you are doing.

(come to think of it i could use LED lighting on that, it would bypass the meter, 'free energy at last' LOL)

Suspending the plate, won't that stop anything flowing?
I thought it was literally in the ground....?

If the problem persists your only choice might be to build a LV rectifier like i mentioned....

Just my 2 cents, i will think on this 8)
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Back on October 22, 2013, 02:06:18 pm
Luke

My friend. Now we are getting close to being on the same page ;D

My set up is just like my avatar. Or close as can be. The idea is to charge a cap and then discharge it. But until I can get a high charge then nothing works. I can see how ground AC can cause a cap not to charge. I hope this the break through that I have been looking for. Now I just have to figure out where and how to relocate my antenna and ground. To get as far away as I can from the ac interferance I have to go to the cati corner of my building :( No lights or heat there :'( That gets me about 45 feet away from all AC.

I guess I wont freeze to death because I have a K1 heater that I can hug and a couple of flash lights.
Bless
Shawn
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on October 22, 2013, 03:03:57 pm
glad to hear it.curious to hear results.
i would suggest though that the cap should be charging no matter what.because the air gradient is always fluctuating.just hooking a ground up to the cap should increase the speed of charging.as long as the cap connections are exposed to air .then charging should occur.only on insulating said connections would charging slow down tremendously.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Amaterasu on November 10, 2013, 09:14:17 am
Not sure if this is posted elsewhere (could not find it in a search...), but I thought I would bring it here:

[youtube]lxdbiNHfLv0[/youtube]
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: robomont on November 10, 2013, 09:27:48 am
Thankyou amy for finding a very good video.not only that.there is a variable capacitor hes using that i would almost trade my first born for.you guys need to watch that short vid.he has some very nice professional equipment and even the gloves were class.this guy has his ducks in a row.
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: Amaterasu on November 10, 2013, 10:26:10 am
Most welcome.  I figured it would mean more to You all than to Me specifically.  [smile]
Title: Re: Radient Receivers
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on November 11, 2013, 12:52:55 pm
NICE!

You're not wrong Robo, nice professional setup, and a scope i would sell my grandmother's bones for ;)

Can you contact him? Ask him over, i don't have much time but if he wants in i will set his permission (Z will at any rate) the moment he signs up.

We need builders of this high standard, well done Amy :-*

ETA: I built a super ELF sinewave oscillator that resonates around the Schumann frequency, will post the diagram soon, it only uses 2 standard NPN trannies, 1 if you're a bit creative.
All you need is 3 x .1to 1uF caps and a 5k potmeter, and a few 4k7's ;)....and a 10k and an 82k..... ::)