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Re: Militias take over Eastern Oregon refuge building during protest, standoff
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2016, 09:31:33 pm »
For what it's worth I'm conversing with Bobby Powell in the chat room on Pete's live stream…
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/oregon_militants_what_you_need.html
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Re: Militias take over Eastern Oregon refuge building during protest, standoff
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2016, 09:50:15 pm »
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Re: Militias take over Eastern Oregon refuge building during protest, standoff
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2016, 10:11:54 pm »
Santilli (LIVE) just called for Sheriff David Ward's resignation.
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Re: Militias take over Eastern Oregon refuge building during protest, standoff
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2016, 10:28:58 pm »
A 'local' (and friend of Sheriff David Clark) being interviewed by Pete just said he has had a few head's up phone calls that there will be a raid tonight.

Dear God, please let this not be another Waco.
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Re: Militias take over Eastern Oregon refuge building during protest, standoff
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2016, 12:56:59 am »
Montel Williams Calls For "Shoot To Kill" In Oregon Showdown; Militiamen Respond They Are "Ready To Fight"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-04/montel-williams-calls-shoot-kill-oregon-showdown-militiamen-respond-they-are-ready-f

Why Are Leftists So Gung-Ho About Shooting Americans For Disobeying Government?

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FBI preparing for Waco-style armed raid in Oregon... local schools taken over by feds as staging areas for weapons stockpiling in preparation for massive assault



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(NaturalNews) Natural News can now exclusively report that local schools near Burns, Oregon are being used as staging areas by FBI and other federal officials in preparation for an armed raid on the protesters camping out at the Malheur Wildlife Refuge.

This has been relayed to Natural News via TalkNetwork.com hosts who are on location and have independently affirmed the accuracy of this startling revelation. Pete Santilli, a talk radio host with TalkNetwork.com, is on the scene and broadcasting live from time to time at Talknetwork.com/live

The federal government is staging military-style weapons, tactical equipment and long-range observation gear inside at least one school, Natural News has learned, apparently contradicting the FBI's publicized claim that it seeks a "peaceful resolution" to the standoff. The kind of equipment being staged by federal officials is inconsistent with any "peaceful resolution" and looks intended to bring the standoff to a sudden and violent end with bloodshed caused by an armed government carrying out the mass slaughter of private citizens and protesters.

Most likely this equipment includes night operations gear such as PVS-27 light magnification optics that can be attached to existing rifle optics with requiring a re-zero, enabling federal officials to conduct night-time sniper fire on targets inside the compound. All signs now point to a night-time or early morning armed assault on the compound, with federal officials likely hoping to catch the armed protesters asleep or operationally disadvantaged by darkness.

An armed raid and slaughter by the feds would fulfill the insane calls for violence being heard today by irrational leftists like Montel Williams, just one of thousands of homicidal leftists who openly called for the government to slaughter the protesters with "shoot to kill" orders:

http://www.naturalnews.com/052512_Oregon_protesters_FBI_armed_raid_weapons_staging.html#ixzz3wRciWVKL

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Re: Militias take over Eastern Oregon refuge building during protest, standoff
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2016, 04:29:26 pm »
What about this part? Arson and killing herds of deer are pretty serious crimes.

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"Five years ago, a federal grand jury charged Dwight and Steven Hammond with committing arson on public lands and endangering firefighters," Williams wrote for the newspaper.

"Steven Hammond was also found guilty of committing a second arson in 2006."

The prosecutor said witnesses saw the Hammonds illegally slaughter a herd of deer on public land.

"At least seven deer were shot with others limping or running from the scene," Williams wrote.

He said a teenage relative of the Hammonds testified that Steven Hammond gave him a box of matches and told him to start the blaze. "The fires destroyed evidence of the deer slaughter and took about 130 acres of public land out of public use for two years," the prosecutor wrote.
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Re: Militias take over Eastern Oregon refuge building during protest, standoff
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2016, 06:00:04 pm »
Meanwhile in TEXAS

Gov’t Tells Texas Rancher His Land No Longer Belongs to Him — He Knew It Was Serious When He Claims Official Said These Six Words




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Texas rancher Ken Aderholt said he emerged frustrated from a Tuesday night Bureau of Land Management meeting in Fort Worth — full of many of the same unanswered questions and growing concerns about the land that’s been in his family for over 70 years.

Well, it used to be his land.

Aderholt’s family has been running cattle on 1,250 acres of earth in Harrold near the Red River, which borders Oklahoma, since 1941 — and he took on the task himself long ago.

It’s his livelihood, and it’s his life.

“It has been running through generations and handed on down to me,” Aderholt told KAUZ-TV in Wichita Falls, adding that he’s hoped his two sons could someday take over the family business.

But Aderholt said the federal government is threatening those dreams — along with the dreams of other landowners in three counties.

He told TheBlaze on Wednesday that the BLM has claimed up to almost half the acreage on his property — including where his home sits — after redefining the boundary line.

Aderhold told TheBlaze he discovered his home was in danger during an early 2014 phone call with a BLM official who laid out what acres now belonged to the agency. When Aderhold remarked, “That’s gonna get my home,” he said the official replied, “You have reason to be concerned.”

And the rancher said he was instructed to list that among other concerns for future consideration as the BLM moves toward finalizing a plan.

Not that it’s much consolation, since Aderhold and other land owners consider theirs private property — which the government “stole from us,” he told TheBlaze.

And all this after years of paying property taxes and having a deed and title in hand.

“The BLM is saying we should have never had a deed to it,” Aderhold told KAUZ. “That Texas should have never produced that deed.”

Paul McGuire, a BLM public affairs specialist, on Thursday told TheBlaze that Aderhold’s understanding of exactly what constitutes public land on his property isn’t a done deal until a land survey is completed — and that the official Aderhold spoke to on the phone isn’t a surveyor and wouldn’t have told him what land was public.

McGuire added that disputes such as Aderhold’s are coming up because the BLM began the process of revising land management plans in Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas almost two years ago. The land in question has been federal for a long time, McGuire added, but never actively managed.

Aderhold could apply for “color of title,” McGuire said, which takes into consideration improvements made over time on federally owned land and could allow him to hold on to it.

In the end, McGuire said, the process for determining what happens to the disputed land is lengthy and complex — a final BLM plan won’t be ready until 2018, he said.

But Aderhold — who said his family has never been bothered by the government in over 70 years — isn’t laying down over what he told KAUZ is “a land grab.”

And it’s a big one: After redefining the boundary to a half mile inland from the river, the BLM has claimed up to 625 of his property’s 1,250 acres, Aderhold said.

At the moment the BLM is figuring out what to do with the land through a “scoping” process. Aderhold said the agency could designate the land for activities such as birdwatching or horseback riding or exploring foliage. Or it could condemn it. It also could lease it back to him — or to somebody else.

Whatever the outcome, none of it sits right with the rancher.

He said other landowners have banded together and retained attorneys. U.S. Rep. Mac Thornberry from Texas’ 13th district has introduced a bill to assist landowners along the Red River.

But in the meantime, Aderhold said the land claim has made life very difficult for him and other property owners — and far beyond simply losing their long-tended acreage.

Titles, Aderhold said, have become “clouded.” Money can’t be borrowed against land, properties can’t be bought or sold and no improvements are being made.

“This affects people’s lives — everyday things,” he told TheBlaze.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/10/15/govt-tells-texas-rancher-his-land-no-longer-belongs-to-him-he-knew-it-was-serious-when-he-claims-official-said-these-six-words/

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Re: Militias take over Eastern Oregon refuge building during protest, standoff
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2016, 08:39:14 pm »
LIVE: 10:35 Pete Santilli
OREGON OCCUPIERS TO FACE CHARGES WHEN OCCUPATION IS OVER?

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Re: Militias take over Eastern Oregon refuge building during protest, standoff
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2016, 10:37:22 pm »
A Recommended Honorable Exit Strategy For Ammon Bundy | Oath Keepers

by Stewart Rhodes
January 6, 2016

Ammon,

I believe you know that I respect you as a man of great, inspirational courage and conviction.  And likewise for your brothers.

It was your inspiring courage and conviction at your Bundy family ranch in Nevada that caused me, Oath Keepers as an organization, and many others to come from all over the nation, rifles in hand, to protect your family and back you up, shoulder-to-shoulder as you took a strong stand for your rights and for the Constitution.  It was a profound honor to do so, and it was a stand that will go down in history.

However, as you know, I oppose what you have chosen to do by occupying the wildlife preserve there in Oregon, specifically because it is not being done with the consent of the locals or at their request, without the request of the Hammond’s, and without even their knowledge of what you were going to do, until you did it, and because it is not in direct defense of anyone.

The right way to go would have been to respect the right of the locals on the Committee of Safety to call the shots, decide what needs to be done, and to actually let them be in charge of all outside volunteers, including you.  You can certainly act as an adviser and instructor, giving input on what you think they should do.

And frankly, what they should do is simply going out, now, and use the land to ranch, log, mine, farm, etc, with our protection.  You can bet that if they did chose to do so, Oath Keepers, the Oregon III%, Idaho III%, Pacific Patriot Network, Bearded Bastards, and other hard-core patriots would have saddled up and rode, with distinct pleasure and joy in our warrior hearts, to protect the people as they nullified, used “civil-disobedience” and simply lived as free American westerners, ranching, farming, logging, and just living as if he BLM did not exist.  And we can provide direct, physical assistance and protection to back them up as they take such a stand.

But none of us have the right to make their decisions for them.

They need to have the stones to stand up, and if they do, we will stand with them.

But they MUST be in charge.

They MUST make that decision for themselves (and when they do, then we back them up 100% and then some!).   It is a fundamental principle of self-government, the consent of the governed, and self-determination that it is the people of Harney County who must make the momentous, critical decision to stand.  In fact, you said so yourself, during your recent town hall meeting on December 15, 2015, where you helped locals form the Harney County Committee of Safety.

You said:

"We have people across the United States that will stand with you, I’ve already explained that.  I’m confident.  But the thing is, it’s not necessarily right, for us, or for the people, to come in here and to make a stand without the people forming and being in control of it.

That’s what this Committee of Safety is.  It is where the people elect this Committee and this Committee is in charge of those that will come in and assist throughout this country, in defending the rights of this people and enforcing the Constitution.  And, I’m not going to dance around what we’re talking about here.

We’re talking about removing these unconstitutional agencies from Harney County.

And bringing the people back up to go ranching, logging, or whatever else.  But the people have to – you, you have to exhibit enough organization to form these committees of safety so that you can charge, and be in charge of the militia.   That’s what it comes down to.  That is the proper way in which this is supposed to happen (emphasis added).

I agree completely with your above quoted statement to the Harney County Committee of Safety.  The people of Harney County do have the absolute right to govern themselves, and to be in charge of, and in control over, whatever is done to secure their rights in their county and state, and they have the right to be in charge of any volunteers from elsewhere who come in to help.

That truly is “the proper way in which this is supposed to happen.”  But unfortunately, you did not respect that right.   Apparently, you did not really trust the people of Harney County to take a hard stand and were not confident that they would do so.  And while you told the locals that they would be in charge and control of their own destiny, you had evidently already planned out this armed takeover of the federal facility at the Malheur Wildlife Refuge and were already staging your outsider men and supplies in the area to do it.  All of this was done without even the knowledge, let alone the consent, of that local Committee of Safety.  The Harney County Committee of Safety is in now charge of jack squat.   And that is what you now have the chance to correct, with honor and integrity.

I propose that you return to and adhere to your own stated principles of respecting the right of the people to self-determination, self-government, and their right to stand up, on their own two feet, with our support and protection.   Therefore, you need to submit yourself to the authority of the Committee of Safety and the people of Harney County at large, and let them know, in no uncertain terms, that they are now in charge, and you will comply with whatever they decide must be done, whether you agree with it or not.   Even if you think the people there are not yet ready to stand, you cannot graft on a pair of balls onto a gelding.   The people must grow a pair themselves, and it must be their decision to stand, and meanwhile you must respect their will and do what they determine is best.   You can advise, suggest, and assist, but you cannot decide for them.

So throw your sword at their feet, and pledge and swear that you will abide by their decision, whatever it is, and defend them in doing whatever they decide is best, so long as it is ethical, moral, and constitutional.  But it must be there decision, not  yours.

That is the honorable, ethical, moral way to go.  That is an honorable exit plan.

I recommend you take it, and by doing so you will have retaken the moral high ground.  And then we can all pledge to protect any rancher, logger, farmer, miner, etc. in Harney County who has the physical and moral courage to take a stand, and simply act as their forefathers acted, as free Americans on the land, and we will protect them with our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.   Let that be our standing offer to any of the people of Harney County who will take a stand.   Let that be our oath, and when they stand, we will be honor-bound to stand with them.  And we will.

And when that happens, we will be acting with honor, and it will be the Feds who will have the choice of honoring their oaths by standing down, or violating their oaths by agressing against the people, and history will reflect who had the moral high ground and acted only in defense of human decency, liberty, and the Constitution.

That is the honorable path here.   Please take it.

For the Republic,

Stewart Rhodes

Founder and President of Oath Keepers
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Re: Militias take over Eastern Oregon refuge building during protest, standoff
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2016, 02:07:09 pm »
Does anyone remember a thread on ATS a couple years ago, a Woman said she was part of a construction crew hired to work on a secret project in Nev. :( She was foreman I think of some part of it electric related I think and said they had to be checked by electronic tags to go in to work, that tons of expanding instant cement like she had never seen was poured to make huge rooms and miles and miles of tunnels, the rooms had monstrous tanks in them but no one knew what they were for. The rooms she said was a wonder because they poured them and they were hard in a day (something like that)

They had vehicles running through the tunnels and everything was high tech electronic security.

No one was allowed to discuss and no one knew what the rest of the job was about. She said one evening when her and friends went out to a bar they met some Indian guys who said they had found something in a tunnel, all I remember was some kind of box and some pictures which included aliens a radio or something, they were to afraid to do anything with the stuff. She said they arranged a meeting and they showed it to three people including her.

So this is why she decided to break her confidentiality contract and talk, because she thought it was stuff people should know. Anyway she sounded young maybe a little immature but she seemed to have some details that were technical.

I can't remember if she said it was outside Reno or Los Vegas, I think Reno. Anyway she gave a ton of detail and someone found job orders for the job starting when she said and listing the professions needed and how many a .Gov paper. Then the thread was 404rd.

Since then I have thought about it and I think she was telling the truth as she saw it. The project was real the dates were correct for the hiring. Something big happening in Nev. maybe and they want all BLM land cleared of people.

I thought maybe they were just piping water from Canada to store for LV maybe but some of the stuff she talked about doesn't fit that. Wish I could remember better, maybe she talked elsewhere where it was not removed.

Maybe nothing as they were allowed to live in trailers and go out at night seems not to secure.

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Re: Militias take over Eastern Oregon refuge building during protest, standoff
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2016, 07:24:42 pm »
LIVE…Militia interviews FBI…lol

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Re: Militias take over Eastern Oregon refuge building during protest, standoff
« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2016, 11:23:59 pm »
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Re: Militias take over Eastern Oregon refuge building during protest, standoff
« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2016, 04:55:41 am »
Does anyone remember a thread on ATS a couple years ago, a Woman said she was part of a construction crew hired to work on a secret project in Nev.
I can try to find it, but I would need more information than that.

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Re: Militias take over Eastern Oregon refuge building during protest, standoff
« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2016, 02:09:24 pm »
  just sharing  some things I have read

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oregon-occupation-poll_568fe025e4b0c8beacf6b3df?cps=gravity_2442_-7075567891025688027&kvcommref=mostpopular


Americans Don't Have Much Sympathy For The Armed Group In Oregon
Most aren't paying them much attention, either.


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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-krakauer/fundamentalist-religious-ammon-bundy-militia-oregon_b_8931762.html

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NOTE: On January 4, 2016, in response to media inquiries, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints issued this statement, on www.mormonnewsroom.org, about the takeover of the federal facility in Oregon by the Bundy brothers, who are members of the LDS Church:

While the disagreement occurring in Oregon about the use of federal lands is not a Church matter, Church leaders strongly condemn the armed seizure of the facility and are deeply troubled by the reports that those who have seized the facility suggest that they are doing so based on scriptural principles. This armed occupation can in no way be justified on a scriptural basis. We are privileged to live in a nation where conflicts with government or private groups can - ?and should -- be settled using peaceful means, according to the laws of the land.



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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/why-the-bundy-militia-mixes-mormon-symbolism-with-anti-government-sentiment/

Why the Bundy militia mixes Mormon symbolism with anti-government sentiment



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http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/06/us/native-tribe-blasts-oregon-takeover/

Native tribe blasts Oregon takeover



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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-larger-but-quieter-than-bundy-push-to-take-over-federal-land/ar-CClNGa?li=BBnb7Kz

The Larger, but Quieter Than Bundy, Push to Take Over Federal Land



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Re: Militias take over Eastern Oregon refuge building during protest, standoff
« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2016, 09:16:28 pm »
The REAL issue in Oregon

And the people that are not seeing it are genuine sheeple

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