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Title: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: zorgon on July 07, 2012, 06:58:59 pm
Klaus Dona

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Klaus Dona has been the Art Exhibition Curator for the Habsburg Haus of Austria since 1991. Mr. Dona has organized 30 cultural exhibitions in Austria, Japan and Korea. Being a specialist in culture and art exhibitions, his attention was automatically drawn to a phenomenon called 'Ooparts' - out of place artifacts. These are artifacts that should not exist according to current science. Klaus Dona has been researching these types of artifacts for over a decade and, after a long preparation, decided to set up an exhibition of 470 of these (Ooparts) pieces, which he called ''Unsolved Mysteries''. He has artifacts from places such as Roswell, New Mexico; a still intact chupacabras skeleton; as well as giants (Nephilim) bones. He has been able to display such artifacts - a feat no one had been able to achieve since museums bury these in their basements to avoid raising unconfortable questions. A large portion of the pieces are scattered around the world and held in secret private collections. Klaus Dona has been able to gather more than 2500 pieces, all of which have no logical explanation!

Presentation: His Ooparts exhibition was a big success in Vienna, after which it travelled to Berlin, Seoul, and Switzerland. Being physical pieces, they are irrefutable evidence and difficult to reject. All through his search for unexplained archeological artifacts the answer has always been: we are not alone, more so, we've never been. Mr. Dona will show 200 photos of artifacts in his possession, and will explain what is actually known about them, why they don't fit in the current scientific paradigms, and what implications their existence have on our history as Humanity. After listening to his speech and watching his photographic evidence you will be left with many questions like: who we are, where we came from and where do we go, did giants really exist, was the flood a reality and when, was there once a global civilization and most of all, can we learn from the past, especially coming to 2012 and the prophecies? Main website: www.unsolved-mysteries.info

(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/106/donap.jpg)

Okay folkes time to do some serious research....

Here is an artifact from Klaus Dona. Need to find out everything we can about it

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A very interesting artifact found in Ecuador is the so-called Pyramid with the Eye. The eye is an inlay, and the stone is grey and white and you have thirteen steps. It looks exactly like the Pyramid with the Shining Eye on the One US Dollar Bill.

If you put this pyramid under black light, the eye is shining very strongly and it looks really like an eye, but not really like a human eye.

(http://i53.tinypic.com/denpzp.jpg)

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On the bottom of this pyramid, you have the inlay in little gold plates showing the Orion star constellation, and you have unknown writing.

The translation of Professor Kurt Schildmann, who was the President of the German Linguistic Association and he was perfect in more than forty languages… he was able to translate this writing. He called it pre-Sanskrit because it is older than the oldest writing. The translation of these four letters you can see here, his translation is: “The son of the creator comes.”

(http://projectavalon.net/Klaus_Dona_2_html_m3ece14d1.jpg)

http://in-illotempore.tumblr.com/

At ATS there is a huge thread arguing whether it's the Christian Eye of Providence, or a Masonic Symbol... page after page..

(http://www.coolavatars.org/wp-content/uploads/yesitis-noitisnt.gif)

And whether or not its fake, a hoax or is real.

"an exhibition of 470 of these (Ooparts) pieces, which he called ''Unsolved Mysteries''. He has artifacts from places such as Roswell, New Mexico; a still intact chupacabras skeleton; as well as giants (Nephilim) bones."

Well without knowing where they were dug up, or IF they were dug up at all, they are curiosities at best.

So lets find out which of these are real and which are not

Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: zorgon on July 07, 2012, 07:03:11 pm
(http://www.unsolved-mysteries.info/images/DVD-Avatar.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004OSGWAG/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=pegasreseacon-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B004OSGWAG)

Klaus Dona Chronicles: Secret World I
Klaus Dona (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004OSGWAG/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=pegasreseacon-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B004OSGWAG)
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: zorgon on July 07, 2012, 07:07:32 pm
(http://unexplainedmysteriesoftheworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Klaus-Dona.jpg)

(http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_sociopol/underground19_21.jpg)

(http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/arqueologia/gold_gods/images/gold_g15.jpg)

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Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: Amaterasu on July 08, 2012, 01:21:27 am
Funny...  Before I read that there were 13 steps in that first pyramid...  I counted!  LOL!  Yup.  13 steps.
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: zorgon on July 08, 2012, 12:37:23 pm
Funny... 

Why is that funny?  Seems obvious to me the 'artifact' is liky a hoax to promote an anti Masonic agenda

 ::)
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: Amaterasu on July 08, 2012, 12:44:09 pm
What was funny is that I reflexively counted the steps before reading there were 13.  Not the artifact itself.  [grin]
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: kilroy on July 11, 2012, 08:37:48 am
heres a good website that some of you may find interesting
http://s8int.com/index.html
found this site about 4 or 5 years ago
surprised it is still up.
dont think its been updated for awhile now
but still alot of good info
kilroy
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: Littleenki on July 11, 2012, 08:51:39 am
Glad to see the thread, here, Zorgon, as we had that word about how these artifacts hadnt been verified by any officials or known archaeological entities recently.

Personally, I think these artifacts are quite symbolic, almost too good to be true, and as there really isnt any definite official info to show the person who really dug them up, or made them...your choice...it will always be a conundrum.

The fact that Haramein was involved in showing and trying to explain some of them tells me there's money to be made somewhere, yet I am compelled after speaking with a dear friend who has property near La Mana, that says he has found similar stuff while digging wells for his farm, to believe they are genuine. He tells me the odd finishes are what catch the eye when they get turned over in the digging.

What Romel tells me is that the artifacts we have seen on the Klaus Dona tour may be reproductions, and the real ones might be tucked away neatly somewhere, so if they dont start being more forthcoming about them, we wont be able to make that educated guess, will we?

http://www.humanresonance.org/mana.html

Whats your personal vibe about the whole thing, if I may ask?

Cheers!
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: Freelancer on July 17, 2012, 11:27:24 am
heres a good website that some of you may find interesting
http://s8int.com/index.html
found this site about 4 or 5 years ago
surprised it is still up.
dont think its been updated for awhile now
but still alot of good info
kilroy

s8int went over to using a blog site ( The s8intcom Blogger (http://s8int.com/WordPress/) ) from June 2005, which is still fairly active.  Personally I prefer their web site to their blog but alas, they no longer update it.
Title: Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador
Post by: petrus4 on July 23, 2012, 04:18:53 am
Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador

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In what maybe one of the biggest discoveries ever, a team of explorers is claiming that they have found the legendary golden library and other mysterious treasures in the Tayos Cave system in Ecuador.  The team announced that they accidentally found some hidden tunnels that were obviously dug out artificially sometime in the ancient past while inside one of the main chambers.  The team was able to follow one of these tunnels for approximately ½ mile and came upon a large room containing the golden library and various other treasures.

Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador (http://socyberty.com/activism/legendary-metal-library-found-in-tayos-cave-in-ecuador/)

Definitely looks interesting.
Title: Re: Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador
Post by: Littleenki on July 23, 2012, 06:43:29 am
http://socyberty.com/activism/legendary-metal-library-found-in-tayos-cave-in-ecuador/

Definitely looks interesting.

Hey, Petrus!
Yes it does look intersting, and it is reminiscent of the finds in La Mana Ecuador and currently being studied by Nassim Haramein and Klaus Dona.

Here on PRC we have a few who think the La Mana finds may be hoaxes and a few who arent sure.

Until a full scale archaeological dig is employed, with open honest planning and execution, we can only guess, and Ecuador has been known to be a hotbed of hoaxing amongst the archaeological community.

Also, I would have to point out that these guys claim to have found this site in a cave and have named the cave system, so WHY? Why would they even say a word to anyone, except those who provide funding?

If there is any validity to this find, you can rest assured the locals are down there digging their asses off tofind the buried treasure, and any subsequent effort to go back down there must be thwarted by guards or a militant presence.

Ill sit on the fence til the nxt report comes out, but just that one plate with the pyramid on it makes me think of La Mana and its bizarre pyramid carvings...

This is from La Mana...

(http://www.humanresonance.org/mana_3.jpg)

This is from Tayos cave...

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/jr500c9142.jpg)

Similar themes abound here, Petrus, Hmmmm.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador
Post by: petrus4 on July 23, 2012, 07:00:12 am
The eye in the pyramid appears everywhere, LittleEnki.  I wonder what it meant to those people.

I will admit that for me, the Eye has become an exceptionally evil symbol; the primary symbol of Them.  The cabal.  The Enemy of all mankind.  The Lizard Hearted, as Amaterasu calls them.  The symbol of a force that has apparently been attempting to completely and perpetually enslave humanity, for tens of thousands of years now. 

Is that just me, or did it originally signify something else?
Title: Re: Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador
Post by: Amaterasu on July 23, 2012, 11:01:14 am
We're not sure those photos were even connected with the story.  Consider...  All They had was a radio announcement.  So...  How did They acquire pics?  I think those pics were from something else, and They threw them in the article merely to spice up the presentation.
Title: Re: Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador
Post by: Littleenki on July 23, 2012, 11:15:58 am
It is fishier than a tank at the aquarium!
And it stinks like low tide!
Keep watching, when the time is right, theyll release a statement.
Le
Title: Re: Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador
Post by: Amaterasu on July 23, 2012, 11:30:04 am
Spidy sense says They did find something.  But not what is illustrated in the article.  So...  We will either get the scoop at some time - or it will be suppressed.  I am hoping We get to know what is in those golden books.
Title: Re: Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador
Post by: Littleenki on July 23, 2012, 11:57:04 am
Yes, Amy and you know what Im thinking when we discuss golden books?

The book of mormon and the gold pages it is printed on.

What metal lasts forever, and is non reactive?
Gold!

Gold, the perfect medium for eternal knowledge!

Cheers!
Title: Re: Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador
Post by: zorgon on July 23, 2012, 01:06:26 pm
Spidy sense says They did find something.  But not what is illustrated in the article.  So...  We will either get the scoop at some time - or it will be suppressed.  I am hoping We get to know what is in those golden books.

OR

Its all made up like the infamous Ica Stones

Going to merge this thread :D  Hold on to your hats for teleportation :D


5... 4...  3...

Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: Littleenki on July 23, 2012, 01:20:22 pm
Hey, I forgot my official archaeologist's hat!
Ohhhh...
le
Title: Re: Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador
Post by: zorgon on July 23, 2012, 01:30:42 pm
We're not sure those photos were even connected with the story.  Consider...

That is why we are a RESEARCH forum :P

The Crespi Ancient Artifact Collection of Cuenca Ecuador
Compiled By Glen W. Chapman
November 1998


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Crespi Collection with Pyramid and Paleo- Hebrew Writing (Hamby Ref. 4)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Ooparts/Crespi_001.png)
A Crespi Gold Plate With Hieroglyphic Writing (Barton Ref. 2)

The Crespi Ancient Artifact Collection of Cuenca Ecuador (http://chapmanresearch.org/PDF/Crespi%20Ancient%20Artifact%20Collection%20of%20Cuenca%20%20Ecuador.pdf)

Now at least on this one we have providence, papers and many more artifacts...

continued...
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: zorgon on July 23, 2012, 01:41:34 pm
American Metal Plates

For decades, metal sheets with writing have been recovered from various archaeological sites in South America. Until recently, all were labeled “frauds”, but slowly, archaeologists are beginning to change their opinion. The ancient Americans, it seems, knew perfectly well how to work with metal… and had a complex system of writing.

Philip Coppens


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Father Crespi amidst his collection

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After a visit in 1981 to an eccentric Italian Catholic priest living in the Ecuadorian town of Cuenca, retired US Army Colonel Wendell Stephens became convinced that he had just met Adolph Hitler. As bizarre and outlandish as it may seem, the story that this enigmatic priest was somehow Hitler post-World War II in disguise, is one of the most commonly heard comments whenever the name of Father Crespi is mentioned: “Did you know that some people believe he was Hitler?”
The story of Father Carlos Crespi and his enigmatic museum became even more popular and controversial when the likes of the Swiss “ancient astronaut author” Erich von Däniken focused their attention on his collection of metal plates and various related artifacts. Over the years, Crespi had accumulated a vast collection of metal plates, which had been brought to him by the locals. The plates displayed various images, and strongly suggested that the real history of the region was far more interesting than the archaeologists claimed. To them, “of course”, the artifacts in Crespi’s possession, were all fakes.

Von Däniken wrote up his visit to Crespi in “Gold of the Gods”, adding that the various pieces in the collection possessed certain common traits: “All the pyramid engravings have four things in common: a sun, but more frequently several suns, is depicted above the pyramid; snakes are always flying next to or over the pyramid; animals of various kinds are always present.” Such consistency between artifacts collated over a number of years and from different sources, suggested a common origin. But where did they come from?
When Crespi questioned the people that brought him these artifacts, they told him that they had removed them from subterranean cave systems in the jungles. Crespi therefore made sure that the extra-ordinary collection remained intact, using the courtyard of the church of Maria Auxiliadora, of which he was in charge of, as his museum.
Alas, many of the artifacts were destroyed in a fire on July 20, 1962, an act of arson, possibly engineered to destroy the collection. Today, even less remains of the Crespi collection, which was placed in various locations following the priest’s demise in January 1980. It is said that there are active attempts to reopen a museum that has all of the collection that still remains.

From the moment the collection became known to the world, it has commonly been labeled a fraud. It is true that Crespi was primarily a missionary, and not an archaeologist. When poor people brought him these plates or other artifacts that the local people knew he collected, he made sure they were rewarded for their efforts. He knew several local families were poor but that pride prevented them from asking for money, unless it was as payment for something. And hence, more and more metal plates found their way to the priest. Some, Crespi was sure, were fakes – and they were often the crudest executed. The most elaborate, were clearly not made by his parishioners. Amongst the latter category were vast quantities of precious metals, like gold and silver. Those artifacts were unlikely to be frauds, especially when we know that the collection was estimated to be worth at least one million dollar – far more than Crespi was able to pay, or paid, the locals.

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Richard Wingate visited the collection in the late 1970s, when the 70,000 pieces took up three rooms. He described it as follows: “Rolls of intricately figured sheet metal stood haphazardly piled around the shed. The priest explained that it had been torn off the interior walls of long abandoned, vine-choked buildings in the inaccessible eastern jungle. The Indian artifact hunters bring this wallpaper in three different metals: gold, a metallurgically unique, untarnished silver, and an unknown alloy with the appearance of shiny aluminum. Every square inch of the peculiar sheet metal is decorated with intricate designs, some of them depicting long-forgotten ceremonial occasions and some of them humorous and cartoon like. The rolls come in heights that vary, for the most part, from eight to twelve feet, and they are often fifteen to thirty feet long. These lengths are composed of many individual four-foot sheets which have been artfully riveted together.”
To the armchair archaeologists, the Crespi Collection was a fraud; to anyone visiting it, it provided ample evidence that at some point in the past, Ecuador had a highly developed metallurgy. Of specific interest were the metal sheets, which contained writing – something that in the 1970s had only been observed in the Crespi Collection, but which since has been found elsewhere and has been embraced as “authentic” by the archaeological establishment. Nevertheless, the technical proficiency in metallurgy of this civilization remains one of the more controversial topics in archaeology. The sheets are therefore perhaps the best evidence that the Crespi Collection is indeed genuine, though archaeologists continue to label it a hoax.

Half a millennium ago, when the Spanish conquistadors arrived in Peru and began the conquest of the Inca Empire, they saw silver and gold everywhere. The Spanish army captured the Inca ruler Atahualpa and demanded a ransom in gold and silver, which filled a room measuring 22 by 17 by 9 feet, amounting to 6.5 tons of gold and thirteen tons of silver. The gold was worth two million pesos; the silver, 350,000.
Alas, the Spanish were only interested in its monetary, not artistic value. They therefore melted the artifacts down to ingots for easier transportation to Europe, where substantial amounts of the booty never arrived; many of the ships were sunk by pirates – laying in wait for such ships to arrive – off the Spanish coasts. But from the little that is left in museums like the Gold Museum of Lima, it is clear that the Inca were indeed masters in metallurgy.
Across South America, there is clear evidence that metal was used, in important centers like Tiahuanaco, on the shores of Lake Titicaca (Bolivia). It comes in the form of small clamps, about six inches across, which are made from copper-base alloy, with some iron. The clamps can be seen as indentations in the stones and were meant to hold these even firmer together. However, none of these clamps will be found in museums; some are in the “private collection” of the participating archaeologists who, when challenged, nevertheless are willing to produce them.
One of the experts is Professor Javier F. Escalante Moscoso. He is clear that the people of Tiahuanaco and nearby Puma Punku had metal tools and were adept at metallurgy. He wrote: “Copper was the main native metal commonly used; but, being a soft metal its use was limited at first to the manufacture of personal or domestic objects. Later, tin was introduced to obtain bronze.” Some clamps unearthed at Tiahuanaca are up to six feet long, showing the level at which metallurgy was used.
Unfortunately, however, the presence of metallurgy amongst the people of Tiahanaco is not a widely accepted fact. In 2007, metals were found in lake mud in the central Peruvian Andes and revealed the first evidence that archaeologist were willing to study and conclude as native metal technology! As a result, the research at Laguna Pirhuacocha revealed that metallurgy was known and practiced between 1000 and 1200 AD, before the rise of the Inca Empire. The evidence suggested that metallurgy seemed aimed at the production of copper and copper alloys. The findings also indicated that when the Inca came to rule, they imposed a tax on local villages, which forced them to switch from copper to silver production. But with archaeology only willing to study the subject since 2007, it is clear that they have a long way to go still!

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But what about iron? It has always been accepted that iron is plentiful in the Andean mountains, so it was not a lack of resources that would have stopped the Inca from producing these metal plates. The question had always been whether the Inca had the know-how, and that has now been answered positively. Indeed, archaeologist Heather Lechtman found that Inca metallurgy was as refined as what was being produced in Europe. The only difference was in the goal for which the metal was used.
The Inca saw metallurgy and the objects it created as a token of wealth, power and community affiliation. Specifically, it is now known that objects like the metal plates in the Crespi Collection were precisely what the Inca produced: they hammered metals into thin sheets, soldering the results into a “metal plate”. The same technique was also applied to other metals, like gold.
Indeed, it has now been established that the Inca were so refined in this process that they were able to apply this knowledge on the smallest of scales. A delicate bust Lechtman analyzed was only an inch tall, but was made of an incredible 22 separate gold plates. Lechtman also realized that luminous gold and silver were preferred over dull iron. However, pure gold and silver were too soft to hold shape, so these were often mixed with other metals, usually copper – further evidence of how developed South American metallurgy was.
Some have saying what science is now confirming for decades. In as early as 1945, Polish engineer-archaeologist Arthur Posnansky argued that amalgamation – mixing liquid mercury with ground gold or silver ore – was used at the Inca site of Machu Picchu. At the time, his claims were attacked by the archaeological establishment, which argued that the process was only introduced by the Spanish Conquistadors. Now, Posnansky’s claims about amalgamation have been confirmed by geologist William Brooks, who analyzed residual mercury levels in seven samples of pre-European-contact gold foil and found that amalgamation was indeed used throughout the Andes, centuries before it was not only brought from Europe to America, but before it was commonly used in Europe itself! Once again, the New World seems to have been “older” at things than the Old World.

Metallurgy in America in pre-Columbian times may go back thousands of years. Europe had a “Bronze Age”, which began in ca. 3000 BC. Archaeologists have accepted that much more copper was used than what they have been able to attribute to European mines. So where did an extremely large part of the copper produced in Europe come from? The answer, as bizarre as it may sound, could be America. It is known that during the European Bronze Age, large quantities of copper were mined in North America. However, no-one is able to answer as to what became of the copper that was mined there. If we were to add the two problems together, do we have the solution?
Of course, the answer for the accepted scientific dogma is “no”, as it argues that there were no transoceanic contacts in the Bronze Age, and hence copper could not have been traded from the New to the Old World. But perhaps there is sufficient scientific evidence available that will alter the assumptions of the scientists.
The chief ingredient for bronze is copper. The era around 3000 BC saw more than 500,000 tons of copper being mined in the so-called Upper Peninsula, in the American state of Michigan. The largest mine was on Isle Royale, an island in Lake Superior, near the Canadian border. Here, there are thousands of prehistoric copper pits, dug thousands of years ago by ancient peoples unknown. The Minong Belt on Isle Royale has a distance of one and three quarter miles in length and is nearly four hundred feet wide. The copper pits range ten tot thirty feet deep with connecting tunnels; one archaeologist estimated that their digging would take the equivalent of 10,000 men working for 1000 years.

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he only piece of “hard evidence” that shows transoceanic contact with Europe is a statue discovered in ca. 1660 by a missionary, Allouez, who travelled through the region and stumbled upon a 30 cm copper statue, depicting a man with a beard – the native Indians do not have beards. However, the Menomonie Indians of north Wisconsin possess a legend that speaks about the ancient mines. They described the mines as being worked by “light skinned men”, who were able to identify the mines by throwing magical stones on the ground, which made the ores that contained copper ring like a bell.
This practice closely resembles a similar practice that was used in Europe during the Bronze Age. Bronze with a high concentration of tin indeed resonates when a stone is thrown against it. The legend might have confused the start of the process with the result of the process. Furthermore, S.A. Barnett, the first archaeologist who studied Aztalan, a site near the mines, believed that the miners originated from Europe. His conclusion was largely based on the type of tools that had been used, tools which were not used by the local people.
Finally, in 1922, William A. Ferguson discovered a harbor on the north coast of Isle Royale. Ships could load and unload, aided by a pier that measured 500 meters in length. This suggests that the type of ships that anchored here, were large ships – and that there were many. The most likely explanation as to the purpose of this harbor was that they formed the point where the copper was loaded… to be transported to other regions. The presence of the harbor further shows that the people working the mines were not local, as the local Indians only used small canoes.

It is therefore clear that metallurgy in pre-Columbian America goes back thousands of years. It seems to have started in 3000 BC, when North America was mined for copper by Bronze Age Europeans. From them, metallurgic knowledge entered, or flourished, in America, and seems to have begun a progression southwards. Sites such as Tiahuanaco and nearby Puma Punku showed clear evidence of metallurgy, and at the time of the Spanish Conquest in the early 16th century, the Spanish encountered numerous types of advanced metal use, including metal plates, in which they had no interest. The local civilizations were either labeled to be of the devil, or of no value, while the Spaniards were merely interested in the raw value of the gold and silver.
But it is clear that not all of the metal treasures of the Inca disappeared. In the faraway reaches of the Inca Empire, like around Cuenco (Ecuador), vast amounts were clearly secreted away. And it is indeed said that not all of the Inca treasure was surrendered to Pizarro, but that an Inca envoy began a trek north – to Ecuador – where the Treasure of Atahualpa is said to have disappeared… in what some believe became later known as the legend of the Tayos Cave…
 

This article appeared in Atlantis Rising, Issue 86 (March - April 2011).

(http://www.philipcoppens.com/atlantisrising_86.jpg)

SOURCE: Phillip Coppens (http://www.philipcoppens.com/crespi.html)

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Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: zorgon on July 23, 2012, 01:57:33 pm
La Caverna De Los Tayos Ufologia-Arqueoligia-Reptilianos
LA CAVERNA DE LOS TAYOS


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This cave is in Vietnam, but its in the article and looks awesome

The Cave Of Ufology-Arqueoligia Tayos-Reptilians
THE CAVE OF TAYOS


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Hard to tell which caves these actually are so for now I will post the images and link for further research

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Found this with a stamp

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(http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz213/asterlife_2007/afterlife2/nestor/amstrong21-20.jpg)

(http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz213/asterlife_2007/afterlife2/nestor/amstrong21-15.jpg)

Original Source (http://www.puntowarez.com/la-caverna-de-los-tayos-ufologia-arqueoligia-reptilianos.html)

There are a lot more images of the Crespi artifacts.  Interesting story to follow and I will likely split the thread into library and discussion later.

Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: zorgon on July 23, 2012, 02:18:16 pm
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  • A library with thousands of metal books.  The team was unable to specify what metal the books were made of but the look was similar to silver.  Each page had symbols and strange writing on them.
  • Individual plates with writing on them and strange symbols that looked to be made of gold.
  • At least several hundred statues of insects, animals and humans spread throughout the large chamber.
  • Lots of metal bars thought to be both gold and/or silver.  Also found were various children’s toys and jewelry items made from gold or silver.
  • One large sarcophagus containing one human skeleton decorated with jewels and golden jewelry.
  • The team also found at least three doors that could be more tombs but were sealed completely shut.

Looks like the artifacts and the cave story are mixed up... this may take some time to sort out. But there are too many artifacts here to be a hoax in my opinion (at this time :P )

These parts are noteworthy

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As of right now, the team has only announced their findings onto a radio show and no other announcements have been made so the jury is still out as too whether their claims are completely true.  The team did claim to have samples of at least one of the metal books, one golden plate and several small statues that they will be submitting to professional testing so hopefully this will give us answers shortly.

So if its only announced on radio, how com we have cave pictures and artifact pictures?  :o

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The team would not reveal the location of this incredible finding only saying that it is part of the Tayos Cave system.  The explorers claim that they have concealed the location once again to make sure no one else locates the treasure until they get their samples tested.   Once testing is complete, they agreed on the radio program to bring in a large professional team to fully excavate the site as long as they were part of it and were not robbed of their findings.

Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador (http://socyberty.com/activism/legendary-metal-library-found-in-tayos-cave-in-ecuador/)

Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: zorgon on July 23, 2012, 02:47:40 pm
Personally, I think these artifacts are quite symbolic, almost too good to be true, and as there really isnt any definite official info to show the person who really dug them up, or made them...your choice...it will always be a conundrum.

Well a pet theory of mine is that some ooparts might be from dimensional portals that open briefly but that theory will take me months to put together

But surely SOME of these finds they would know who and where they dug them up? I mean come on if you or I find ONE artifact, we are going to secure that spot and dig for more. And I have dug holes looking for mineral specimens... it takes days of work, even for ones close to the surface.

I am not buying it when they find MANY objects in one location and not ONE photo of the dig site.., very suspect

We went through this years ago with the Ica Stones... from Peru. I will do a thread on those now

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The fact that Haramein was involved in showing and trying to explain some of them tells me there's money to be made somewhere, yet I am compelled after speaking with a dear friend who has property near La Mana, that says he has found similar stuff while digging wells for his farm, to believe they are genuine. He tells me the odd finishes are what catch the eye when they get turned over in the digging.

Well there is money to be made for sure. I posted links to that in that Nassim thread. They were seeling those 'artifacts' for tens of thousands of dollars, and didn't even know whether they were Mayan from Mexico or Gautamala  or from Ecuador (the three locations they 'think' they may have come from) Mayans in Ecuador? ummm okay :P Why not? We have Sumerians in Bolivia :D

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What Romel tells me is that the artifacts we have seen on the Klaus Dona tour may be reproductions, and the real ones might be tucked away neatly somewhere, so if they don't start being more forthcoming about them, we wont be able to make that educated guess, will we?

So then we keep on playing the guessing game... Are they real? Are they faked? Just a scam to make money? LOTS of em around these days. Stuff popping up everywhere suddenly.

If someone come along as says its hoaxed, 10 people will say "your just spreading disinfo" or "they are covering up the truth and we will never get to see it"

So you cannot win

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Whats your personal vibe about the whole thing, if I may ask?

My personal opinion is I made a mistake :P  I am out trying to find the truth of things using research and hours of following leads that mostly end up in the BS pile. Do it for free, because I want to find the answers

But I am out numbered... :P

On the one side there are 30 hucksters selling fakes and hoaxes and raking in the big bucks, even getting all the media attention because they are charismatic snake oil salesmen...

On the other side there are those that will believe ANYTHING that is put out there blindly because A) It LOOKS good and B) because it's what they WANT to see.... and any attempt to put some common sense and reality into the picture is met with the usual "disinfo" or "schill" replies

In the middle are a few people dedicated to actually finding the truth

So yeah I made a mistake :P I should have joined the Snake Oil Salesmen and get rich... then I too could go on world tours "digging up" fantastic OopArts

 ::)

Sigh......
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: rdunk on July 23, 2012, 02:51:15 pm
Well, I made this to post before zorgon made the big post, that I haven't read all of yet. Maybe most of my comments in this are still OK. :))

Obviously, we cannot attest to things we do not know. But, we can look at the posted pic, and make observations and comment. Is it an actual object of this find? Only they would know!!!

To me, this is a very interesting object, and of course raises all sorts of questions, at least for me. Well, I did look, and Ecuador does have a history of "pyramids", and the dominant piece of this metal object is a very striking pyramid. Now to me, maybe the most interesting part of this pyramid, is is what is depicted in its lowest foundation line of "stones". 

If one magnifies the pic, it can be seen that something, maybe something special, is shown there. Running completely from left to right, or from right to left, are what look like letters, words, or numbers, or some of each. I even had the thought that this could be, or include, an equation of some sort.

Now, just why do you think they (whoever that is) would choose to put this at the "base" of the pyramid??

Another interesting feature are the two elephants shown. first one wonders what is their significance?. And secondly, one wonders if there ever were any native elephants in Ecuador? Well, I did do a little looking on the net, and some places say there have never been any elephants native anywhere in the Central and South America's. Another place mentioned the possibility of the distinction of a long ago elephant. So, answer is still out on that too. But, whoever did this metal object knew of elephants, from somewhere.

And the two cats are shown touching the pyramid, with their front feet, a "garden" type of growth is depicted on either side, and a snake/serpent seems to be rising out of both  garden/growth depictions. And it does seem that the snakes are attacking a line of circular symbols.

Just my comments and observations - hope they help you, as you look at this also!!   
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: zorgon on July 23, 2012, 02:51:19 pm
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Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: zorgon on July 23, 2012, 02:58:39 pm
See the problem is that for these artifacts to be real, that would mean the Ancient Alien Giants had Guitars

(http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz213/asterlife_2007/afterlife2/nestor/amstrong21-16.jpg)

So yeah I am a little suspect :D
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: Somamech on July 23, 2012, 03:08:52 pm
SO Giants were not quite the carpenter's we all imagined LOL

/sarcasm ;)
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: Ellirium113 on July 23, 2012, 03:16:53 pm
See the problem is that for these artifacts to be real, that would mean the Ancient Alien Giants had Guitars

(http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz213/asterlife_2007/afterlife2/nestor/amstrong21-16.jpg)

So yeah I am a little suspect :D

LMAO no self respecting musician would play that. The bridge is not even centered to the neck.  Not that you would tell a musician that big that he/she sucked.  ;D
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: rdunk on July 23, 2012, 03:18:25 pm
Too bad that they hadn't invented wire strings yet, when this "instrument" was made!! :))

And anyone big enough to play this instrument probably would not need an amp when he sang!!  ;)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/band.gif)
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: Ellirium113 on July 23, 2012, 03:21:32 pm
Too bad that they hadn't invented wire strings yet, when this "instrument" was made!! :))

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/band.gif)

Interesting point. What material would have had the tensile strength to make suitable material in that kind of lengths?
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: rdunk on July 23, 2012, 03:26:08 pm
Well according to at least one pic on the "metal library" item, some did have cats..........................for strings maybe?? :))))))))

(I did edit and add another comment to the above reply)
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on July 23, 2012, 03:26:24 pm
LOL....

I know exactly what this is   :D   and can explain...   ;D

I don't know anything about the claims of others and any connection with the Illuminati
(Which there isn't, apart from them copying the material)
but I do know what this is 1st Hand.

I shall explain in time, if given the Chance, as these Images are plainly seen
in my area of work and can be seen by anyone else for that matter IF you learn
to access the Libraries of your Own Operating System.

YES it is 100% to do with "The Processing System" of the Mind i.e. "Awareness" or LIFE.
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: kdog on July 23, 2012, 03:45:22 pm
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Interesting point. What material would have had the tensile strength to make suitable material in that kind of lengths?

Well,nylon of course!

Nah,how about cat guts!
Ever wondered why they had those cats around?

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Cat gut strings are perhaps one of the earliest forms of the guitar string. Back in the early days of guitar, particularly classical and Spanish guitar, players would install strings made from dried lamb or bull intestines. If you were to envision an empty sausage casing stretched out, you would be on the right track. The gut string making process has varied over the years, with much of it's earlier development being in Europe. The process of making strings focuses on getting the intestines as clean as possible. Getting the excess fats away from the muscle tissue is cumbersome. Often the guts are soaked in water for many days and treated in ash water. The guts are then stretched, scraped, and twisted. In the final stages of the process, they are bleached with a sulfur dioxide solution, dried, sanded and treated with a final coating of olive oil. Some acoustic guitarist still use this type of string today. Complete sets are still made available to today's market.

http://www.professorstring.com/cat_gut.php (http://www.professorstring.com/cat_gut.php) :o
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: Ellirium113 on July 23, 2012, 03:48:09 pm
Well,nylon of course!

Nah,how about cat guts!
Ever wondered why they had those cats around?

http://www.professorstring.com/cat_gut.php (http://www.professorstring.com/cat_gut.php) :o

Sooo they weren't cat lovers at all!  >:( They were just spare strings .  :'(
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: zorgon on July 23, 2012, 05:25:51 pm
Nah,how about cat guts!
Ever wondered why they had those cats around?

Okay listen up dog... just because you chase cats.... :P

Catgut is a type of cord that is prepared from the natural fibre found in the walls of animal intestines. Usually sheep or goat intestines are used, but it is occasionally made from the intestines of cattle,hogs, horses, mules, or donkeys

The word catgut may have been an abbreviation of the word "cattlegut". Alternatively, it may have derived by folk etymology from kitgut or kitstring — the word kit, meaning fiddle, having at some point been confused with the word kit for little cat


So no kitties were harmed :P

But if I were you.... I would run :P  You made Kitty angry

(http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/oo64/alexthej700/badcat.gif)
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: kdog on July 23, 2012, 05:44:31 pm
Well,works pretty good for me,sorry about your cats that went missing.
You can stop blaming the MIB now. ;D
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: rdunk on July 23, 2012, 06:42:14 pm
Catgut is a type of cord that is prepared from the natural fibre found in the walls of animal intestines. Usually sheep or goat intestines are used, but it is occasionally made from the intestines of cattle,hogs, horses, mules, or donkeys

The word catgut may have been an abbreviation of the word "cattlegut". Alternatively, it may have derived by folk etymology from kitgut or kitstring — the word kit, meaning fiddle, having at some point been confused with the word kit for little cat

So no kitties were harmed

zorgon, WOW! Sometimes, the length, depth, and breadth of your extensive knowledge is pretty amazing.

I am a pretty old guy, and that is something that is new to me! I congratulate you!

Now, did everyone else here happen to know that already, and I am the last to learn??

BTW, I did take the time to verify that zorgon is right!!

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/allhail.gif)


Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: zorgon on July 23, 2012, 07:11:33 pm
Father Crespi

Okay now its beginning to come together. It seems these artifacts have been out for a long time. Erik Von Danekin wrote about them in his first book, "Chariot of the Gods" 

And the Neil Armstrong connection on that Uraquyan webste is explained in this History Channel... so this is old news, first discovered in 1946 

Father Crespi ( The Gold Of The Gods ) History Channel

[youtube]D1rA1M02j4Y[/youtube]
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: zorgon on July 23, 2012, 07:19:36 pm
Padre Crespi collection

In Spanish and not very good quality

[youtube]_hSMy_AcQ3I[/youtube]

So the Pyramid in the OP from Klaus is in the collection, as numbered below. It looks like they are trying to tie all this together into one 'FIND' because the video then switches to the Nassim Harramein stuff

[youtube]uSNe8kqqF9Q[/youtube]

Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: zorgon on July 23, 2012, 07:29:09 pm
Father Crespi_And Ica Stones Peru

[youtube]F1p4BxWW31g[/youtube]

Thousands and thousands of artifacts and not one dig site   >:(

They say there was no trace of anything found in the caves... yet they try to say  the caves was the source

Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on July 23, 2012, 10:37:33 pm
I know little about the history regarding the discovery of these Artifacts
whether it be true or Not. I mean regarding the Discovery itself.

I knew Von Danekin referred to this. He toured NZ and at the time I spoke with him
for an Hour or 2 in person.
But my views of him may Not be the same as others. Some of the things were misleading.

Interesting person though.

But I do Understand the Content of the Symbols as others may refer to them as.

But I understand it as a Language, which I am very, very familiar with.
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: zorgon on July 23, 2012, 11:17:07 pm
But I understand it as a Language, which I am very, very familiar with.

Looking forward to that translation

 8)
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on July 24, 2012, 12:21:17 am
Looking forward to that translation

 8)

First we need to know the Structures involving the Processing System.

The Concept of the Construct involves a "Plane".

(there are Billions and Billions of "Planes" involved and their "Inner" and "Outer" Faces.

This animation shows the 2 "Outer" Faces of a "Plane".


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/0000.gif)


On One "Face" exists a "Mount" and on the other "Face" of the "Plane", a "Pit".


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/0136.jpg)


Although the above Drawing refers to the "Inner" and "Outer" Mind, the same "Concept"
also applies to the "Mount" and the "Pit".

The "Mount" involves the Layers where the "Processing System" Stores and
Processes what is to be Presented in the "Pit". Where the Universe appears.

The Eye represents "The True Mind" which looks through what is known as "The Eye Matrix".


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/0057.jpg)


Which is a "Partition" Map used in Processing.


There are 13 base layers to each Module (Innumerable)  in both The "Mount" (Holy Mount)
and the "Pit".

The reason for the "Bricks" comes from the Library Formats.

See the 2 Attachments below.

What is often shown in the Images regarding what you have brought our attention to,
relates to the "Icons" on the Front covers of the "Program Books".

While other Glyph's looking like various strange letters etc are the Geometric "Instructions" etc.
within the Program itself.

The base Language is "Geometric" and relates to Identifying a given Process of the Mind.

Note the 2 Letters in the attachments.

There are Thousands of Letter and Number type Glyph's and Fonts used in Programming.

I will see if I can explain some of the Images you have presented a little at a time
so others can follow and hopefully understand.

I will also get into the "Icons" and the "Instruction" sets themselves.
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on July 24, 2012, 12:41:32 am
This Image...

(http://unexplainedmysteriesoftheworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Klaus-Dona.jpg)

Portrays a few Components.

The outer 12 Segments refer to the Ring of 12

Which loads Functions and programs.


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/0080.jpg)

The Arrow in the Center points to the Upper Programs, while its lower End extends
into the "Scratch Pad Register", portraying 3 Images.

The "Upper" of the "Lower" Program (Individual Species i.e the readers Body)
and the Lower 2 of these 3 refers to the Library Registers of the "Lower World"
i.e. regarding the Pit. (Where the Universe is Presented)

The Hole in the "Center" is where Images regarding the Program are displayed.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/20120313_SHIN_07.gif)


The Rotor I have shown comes in many different Forms and Proportions.


This is why often segments are displayed in the Images you have brought to our attention.

Note the Segments in the Spiral in this Image.


(http://www.unsolved-mysteries.info/images/DVD-Avatar.jpg)


I will attempt to go through some of the Images in the above "Spiral" and explain
each of them in turn.
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on July 24, 2012, 05:18:17 pm
(http://unexplainedmysteriesoftheworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Klaus-Dona.jpg)

The Images in the above tell the story or at least what Artist has decided
to include in the Artifact which does Not need an explanation.

But the Arrangement of the Segments indicate "The Processing System of the Mind".

Perhaps the Maker of the Artifact had come in contact with this knowledge
but presented the Images on his/her mind at the time.

Or perhaps they we thinking of having a sex change from Male to Female LOL.
Going by the placement of the 2 sexes ?

Regarding the 3 Images in the Lower Sector of the Disc;

The Male is on the Right and the Female is on the left.

The Right Hand Location is the "Scratch-Pad Register" where the Left-Hand "Register"
involves the "Picture" or "Data Libraries".

So the Image on the right (Male) tells me that the Artist (if they have firsthand knowledge
of this "Processing System" is Male and has selected the Female out of the "Data Libraries"
displayed on the Left.

But my personal interest, is of course the Workings of the "Processing System",
rather than the Content.

I have in my possession a copy of the Spiral displayed behind the Pyramid so I will
Explain some of this in my next post here.
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on July 25, 2012, 09:59:13 pm
Regarding the "Phaistos Disc" as it is referred to; It is my opinion that this Disc
is Not what it seems.

Although such "Discs" were one made involving a Program of "The True Mind"
or LIFE, I do Not believe this is one examples of one of these.

At One time I understand Some had access to this system in the first
and second Centuries AD, but since the knowledge had been lost.

They used to place a book, containing "Mind experiences" into a frame
and an escapement like "shutter mechanism" was used to scan the pages.

Each Page contained a single experience.

What the Monk or Priest would do in his Cell (Private Room) would place one
of these "Books", into this frame and proceed to read each Line through
this "shutter mechanism" which would be pushed back and forth
going down the Page so as to scan each Line of the text.

They would then Lay down and enter a relaxed state and the Experience would
take place.

Hence the ancient Mosaics showing a "Book" like this...


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/Early%20Mosaics%2002.jpg)


and


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/Early%20Mosaics%2007.jpg)



The Artefacts shown by Father Crespi are similar in form containing Glyphs and Instructions.


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Ooparts/Crespi_001.png)


(http://www.philipcoppens.com/crespi_4.jpg)


and


(http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz213/asterlife_2007/afterlife2/nestor/amstrong21-15.jpg)


All involve the "Processing System of The True Mind" or LIFE.

But these Artefacts seem to be the remains of examples taken from someone
or some who may have seen the "Operating System" and its "Communication".

We find a Huge amount of similar works but displayed in a different way
based on Byzantium works collected by the Roman church and other denominations.

This is Not to say that the Father Crespi collection are authentic or not.

From what I have seen he is unable to connect the dots nor is able to understan correctly
what this originates from.

Recently Geologists have discovered that from as early as the 1st cave paintings
and drawings it is now accepted that individuals used to go into a dark cave
and draw what would appear in their vision while in the dark.

There, they copied what they saw in in their vision at the time of seeing this
and followed the images while they were observing.

I believe that the Collections of Father Crespi may have originated in a similar way.

So I will show a few of the "Glyph's" I recognize on the "Phaistos Disc" as the Contents
of the  "Phaistos Disc" appears NOT to be a working example, but rather someone
has either copied someone else's work, or they are trying to describe what they
have seen.

Here is One example of a similar Disc.


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/Phaistos-Disc%20001.gif)


But the Disc presented in this Forum is this one shown below.


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/Phaistos%20disk%20Crete%20side_A.jpg)


And here I have Circled the Glyphs and Instructions I am familiar with myself.
This drawing shows the Start of the Sequence (Which will be obvious to most)

1st Rotates Anti Clockwise (entry to the Program), then Clockwise for the remainder.


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/Phaistos%20Mx%20Components.jpg)


The 1st Glyph.


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/Phaistos%20disk%20001%20Crete%20side_A%20%2001.jpg)


This can also be found inn Byzantium art esp in Palaces, cathedrals, monasteries, churces
and other religious works.

It represents the "Ring of 8"

In the "Processing System", this function is often used to display the Registers
involving the "Running Program" and its "Temporary Libraries".

Its Original Form looked like this in the Attachment but in Art form is often displayed
as in the above Glyph.

See the 1st Attachment Drawing at the bottom of this Post.


Often in Round Windows esp. in Cathedrals and churches this is displayed but often
in a ring of 16 or 12 tears.

Because this glyph appears this way in the Spiral of the "Phaistos Disc" it straight away
implies that this is much like after Images from "Byzantium Art" often found in
religious material and buildings is is more a work displaying some of the Components
rather than an Actual Program.

But there still a message in the "Phaistos Disc" but it relates to rather the "Components"
and NOT to a type of message one may be looking for.

The 2nd Glyph.


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/Phaistos%20disk%20001%20Crete%20side_A%20%2002.jpg)


Now this one is an "Instruction" from the "Processing System".
This drawing below shows the Original Glyph in its True and Accurate Form.

See the 2nd Attachment at the bottom of this post.

The next Glyph


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/Phaistos%20disk%20001%20Crete%20side_A%20%2003.jpg)


is typically a Glyph found on the Front Cover of a "Book" found in the Libraries
of "The True Mind".

This Glyph is also found in Byzantium art often used in Religious Art in many different religions.

It portrays the 6 Pointed Star.

More Correctly shown in the 3rd Attachment below at the bottom of this post.


And in a Program Script is written as the reverse image of an Upper Case Sigma
and NOT as 6 little Discs or Dots and the 7th in the Center indicating the Star "Mask".

The Next Glyph


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/Phaistos%20disk%20001%20Crete%20side_A%20%2005.jpg)


another "Icon" found on the Cover of a Program Book.

The next Glyph


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/Phaistos%20disk%20001%20Crete%20side_A%20%2006.jpg)


is often used in an "Instruction" as a Male person in the "Running Program".

The next Glyph


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/Phaistos%20disk%20001%20Crete%20side_A%20%2007.jpg)


is an "Instruction" (Geometric Instruction) to enable 4 Registers. I will elaborate on these "Instructions"
in a followup post.

This next Glyph


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/Phaistos%20disk%20001%20Crete%20side_A%20%2008.jpg)


is to do with the discarding of Data, part of the Editing Process.
It looks and behaves like a Sperm.   :o   ;D
I will also show more about this in a post to follow.

This next Glyph


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/Phaistos%20disk%20001%20Crete%20side_A%20%2009.jpg)


Is also an "Instruction" indicating One of the 4 Layers of "The Running Program".

This Glyph


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/Phaistos%20disk%20001%20Crete%20side_A%20%2010.jpg)


Is also an "Instruction". Usually appearing as Arrows ( ? ) in this case wavy arrows.
I will explain more about these in another post.

This Glyph


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/Phaistos%20disk%20001%20Crete%20side_A%20%2011.jpg)


Is also another Complex "Instruction" which I will also explain in another Post

(Sorry I am Running out of time today so will return to this again)
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on August 09, 2012, 12:53:37 am
Just a matter of Interest in the Correct Image of the Pyramid displayed this Subject
has 12 layers and NOT 13 or 14 Steps as many
have shown through History.

I will Show this in the near Future, when I find the spare time to explain what
this is really all about, instead of the superstitious rumors which surrounds this today.

I hope to explain where this originated before being Corrupted long ago.

I will also explain some of the Mechanics behind what it represents..

I haven't forgotten about this forum Z, just trying to do too many things at
the same time.   :D

I should catch up with things again shortly.
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: petrus4 on September 22, 2012, 07:14:38 am
Funny...  Before I read that there were 13 steps in that first pyramid...  I counted!  LOL!  Yup.  13 steps.

With some of what I've dug up about geometry recently, I've been able to use the game Minecraft as a sandbox to replicate some of it, Amy.  Some interesting things came up as a result, related to this.

The first is that a pyramid with an even (x/y axis) measurement at the base, (when I tried it at least) will usually have an odd height number (z axis) at the capstone.  In game currently, I have a 10 block high capstone as one example, with a 19 block square base.

The second is that you generally want to use a denomination of odds in either your length or width, in order to obtain symmetry when building something.

My third discovery is that the ratio between 7 and 11, or 9 and 11 is significant in some way.  You look at the date for September 11th of course, as one example.  Then you've always had 911 as the American emergency number, at least AFAIK.  When planting simulated crops in Minecraft, 9 is an important number as well.  You can get an irrigated area up to 9 blocks away from the nearest water source, and a 9 block long plot is what the game's code recognises as the ideal plot size for fastest crop growth.

I think the reason why I'm actually immersing myself in the snakes' technology at the moment, is to try and cure my fear of (or at least obsession/cognitive dissonance with) them via exposure.  Geometry is, of course, the central element of that; at least from what I've been able to find.

I'm still trying to determine whether or not in my own head, the snakes' tech is also value neutral; i.e., that it is simply something which exists universally, independent of them, and therefore can be used for good or bad, or if because it contains elements of their individual ideology, (STS hierarchy, the few subjugating/exploiting the many etc, which the pyramid itself symbolises) then it is unavoidably negative and a corrupting influence on anyone who studies it, and that we therefore should not touch it as a result.

I also actually just had an odd experience, while writing these words.  I suddenly had a mental image of the usual eye in the pyramid, except the eye it contained was reptilian, with very sharp/narrow features.  I initially had a sense of revulsion and tried to shut out the image, but then I realised that integration and getting over this, was my intent in looking at it in the first place.  I mentally heard a quote from the Joker.

"Look at me.  LOOK AT ME!"

(http://usahitman.com/wp-content/uploads/stock-photo-347887-eye-of-the-one-dollar-pyramid.jpg)

[youtube]E-DaKtOkz7s[/youtube]

So I mentally tried to bring the precise image back into my mind, and discovered that I could not.  I could get close, but the initial image that I'd seen was gone.  I then had some mental words.

"It has fled.  It will look at you; it wants to be able to look at everyone, see them, have a scenario where no one is free of its' gaze.  But if you look back, if you really stare at it, meet its' gaze, it will run from you.  It is vastly more afraid of you, than you are of it."
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: Amaterasu on September 22, 2012, 08:19:27 am
Interesting, Petrus.  I must ponder this a while.  I know that looking right back is unnerving to..."Them?"  "It?"  That is what My avatar is all about - looking right back at that eye.  And the field of Consciousness also looking back.
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: variance on September 22, 2012, 08:26:38 am
hay, im reelly dum.  r the pirimeds in the bibble?

frindli rigards
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: petrus4 on September 22, 2012, 08:41:49 am
Interesting, Petrus.  I must ponder this a while.  I know that looking right back is unnerving to..."Them?"  "It?"  That is what My avatar is all about - looking right back at that eye.  And the field of Consciousness also looking back.

Yep.  I realise that in one way or another, I've been staring back for close to two decades now.

It's what I think a lot of the people on this site are here for.  Some of us don't have the usual routines of domesticity, spouse, children.  We live alone.  We go into libraries, or we go out into the desert, or we stay up long into the night on the Internet.

Whether done online or off, the purpose is always the same.  Digging.  Excavation.  Finding the things which the atheists won't look at, and the authorities don't want us to look at.  The things which don't fit, and which it isn't politically correct to talk about.  The things which, if found, undermine the very foundations of the slave society that has been artificially constructed for us to live in.  Sometimes what we unearth is horrifying; but it doesn't matter.  It needs to be exhumed anyway.

(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg832/scaled.php?server=832&filename=hornedhumanskulls.jpg&res=landing)

I don't think I'll ever forget my initial reaction, the first time I saw this.  I recovered, however; and I keep digging.
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: variance on September 22, 2012, 08:56:34 am
"if the shoe fits..."
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: Pimander on September 22, 2012, 09:13:29 am
I have a book that describes a very convincing analysis of the Phaistos Disk.  It is linked with a period in human history when the Earth's rotation was going through change if I remember - possibly after an encounter with a comet.

I'll try to dig out the book for you.
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: kilroy on November 01, 2012, 10:25:39 am
why do you assume it was a guitar?
perhaps it was used as a double bass type instrument
and held exactly like the pic shows?
i dont think any kind of gut could be strung in those lengths tight enough to get the correct pitch of a guitar without snapping as soon as it was played.
but what do i know :)
kilroy
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: Lt_bear13 on January 07, 2014, 10:22:40 am
See the problem is that for these artifacts to be real, that would mean the Ancient Alien Giants had Guitars

(http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz213/asterlife_2007/afterlife2/nestor/amstrong21-16.jpg)

So yeah I am a little suspect :D

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5145/5823414945_a0c10108be.jpg)

the egyptians had the lyre, it symbolized isis (if I remember correctly), the neck represents the larynx and the guitar body the diaphram if I remember correctly, according to kircher the egyptian tetragrammaton was symbolized by two ra eyes which are called the udjat eyes, the lyre/guitar could be symbolic of the tetragrammaton with its 4 names/four sounds I.E. the four strings.
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: Littleenki on January 07, 2014, 11:11:31 am
Ill be participating in a radio show with Klaus later this month...any questions members would like to ask him....please share them and Ill present them to him for you.
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: zorgon on January 07, 2014, 02:27:22 pm
Ill be participating in a radio show with Klaus later this month...any questions members would like to ask him....please share them and Ill present them to him for you.

yeah :D  "Where did those 'Mayan" stones really come from"

 ::)
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: Littleenki on January 07, 2014, 03:16:16 pm
He will be discussing the Bosnian pyramids, and the artifacts from the caves of La Mana...he does admit many of those stones you speak of are fakes....but not all.

Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: zorgon on January 07, 2014, 03:47:58 pm
He will be discussing the Bosnian pyramids, and the artifacts from the caves of La Mana...he does admit many of those stones you speak of are fakes....but not all.

So then my question is WHY is he mixing MANY fake stones with a FEW real stones?

This is why the whole field is being destroyed and why I spend less and less time looking at Ancient stuff. After the same thing happened with the ICA stones of Peru, there is no way to know what is real and what is faked and people are easily fooled by the fakes

As to the Bosnian "Pyramid"  After years of looking at all the 'structures' I am going with natural layers of sedimentary rock called Tesselated Pavement. There is no pyramid at Bosnia... just clever misdirection and bamboozling

Until someone shows me some real artifact that show otherwise, that is where I stand. Being a geologist and active field prospector I know what natural formations look like.

Just look at the layers uncovered at Bosnia and you can easily see the various thicknesses of the material... then google tesselated pavement

And that beam of light photoshopped image looks cool but its not real  yet most people on the web just accept it as fact without question.

(http://www.rumormillnews.com/pix3/bosnianemergybeam.png)


Ah well....  I guess I should stop researching and go for the money...

...because TRUTH isn't worth a plugged nickel, but if you create a story that people WANT to believe, you be a millionaire over night like Steve Greer

If ya can't beat them... join them


Who wants to buy a Diamond Mine on Neptune?

 ::)

Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: zorgon on January 07, 2014, 03:49:51 pm
At least my Pyramid in Vegas has a real energy beam :P

(http://0.tqn.com/d/hotels/1/7/m/n/2/pyramid_beam.jpg)
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: Littleenki on January 07, 2014, 04:10:17 pm
Klaus admits there are many fakes mixed in with the collections, he doesnt claim them to be authentic in every case....as for the Bosnian Pyramid, I spoke with Filip Coppens before his untimely death, and he assured me the Bosnian pyramid is a natural feature terraformed by some ancient people, yet much of the tesselated geology is seen there and was modified by those people.

Thats why we will have Klaus on the show...to hear his theories and opinions, not to follow blindly in his footsteps. Ill be curious to see what he has to say about efforts to debunk the stones and artifacts he has established through research to be authentic, and which ones he thinks are not.

Personally, I feel there is no way to prove either, so therefore I dont conclude anything aside from what I can assertively prove myself.
And in this case, it is beyond my ability to say yay or nay, so Ill sit back and listen, before I blindly debunk or skepticize anything he says.
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: Littleenki on January 07, 2014, 04:33:09 pm
When the show is scheduled in earnest, Ill post a link....til then back to the grindstone.
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: Pimander on January 08, 2014, 04:03:13 pm
Ill be participating in a radio show with Klaus later this month...any questions members would like to ask him....please share them and Ill present them to him for you.
Ask him who gets the fake artefacts first, Nassim Haremain or him?  And why did he ignore my enquiries about some of the artefacts?

Actually, it may not be diplomatic to get questions from me. :D
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: Littleenki on January 08, 2014, 06:39:49 pm
Ask him who gets the fake artefacts first, Nassim Haremain or him?  And why did he ignore my enquiries about some of the artefacts?

Actually, it may not be diplomatic to get questions from me. :D

Yeah, Ill make sure to start out with that one..great icebreaker! :P

As I said, Ill see what I hear, and hear what I see....until then, Im neutral.

You guys can say whatever you want, I wont stick up for him nor run from him....until I hear his answers and presentation...like Zorgon once said...what was it Z Throwing out the baby with the dishwater?
Title: Re: Klaus Dona - Illuminati Pyramid from Ecuador?
Post by: Pimander on January 10, 2014, 08:22:42 am
what was it Z Throwing out the baby with the dishwater?
After the indignity of a dip in dishwater we should refrain from throwing it out too.  :o