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Title: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: Amaterasu on November 17, 2012, 08:50:57 pm
An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries

I want to talk to all You revolutionaries.  You, who now are looking around You and thinking this is not how it should be.  You who, regardless of who You blame for the problems of this planet, know that something is about to break.

Maybe You are tucking food and ammunition away, preparing.  Most likely You are just going about Your day, watching the web, and saying, “We have to do something.”

Something is VERY wrong with the picture.

I watch as this solution to that problem is suggested – and yeah, maybe that might bandaid that problem – but there are other symptoms that crop up, and then We, to mix metaphors, have to put that fire out.  Quick!  What size bandaid do We need, and what shape, what contour?  And underlying virtually all of these sores in Our society, diverse as it is, on this planet I see a common infection.

Point blank, the infection that drains Humans of creative – and yes, loving behavior – is the need for money.  I see People behave badly in so many ways, trying to find ways to enhance Their money.  Most don’t, as a rule, making do but maybe contemplating what it would be like if They robbed a bank and got away with it.  What would They do with all that money?

So not only do We have to come up with bandaids, We have to be able to afford them – which leads to wrong sized bandaids, or no bandaid at all.  And within this the need for money, We have a very few on this planet sucking Us for all We are worth.  Add to that there is evidence that They also are not interested in the global welfare of Humanity.

So…  Let’s take a look at money.  Is there a way to eliminate the need for it?

Let’s ask the question, what function does money play in Our social interaction?  Surely We measure “success” by the quantity One can accumulate of it.  Its main function, however, is to allow Us to conveniently move the products of Human and “external” energy between Us.

Human energy is used in services, in labor, and in what I call documenting – dealing with red tape, creating receipts, keeping books, accounting for this currency.  “External” energy is, of course, all the other sources of energy:  coal, gas, oil, wood, etc.

This makes sense if You think of the first hunter, gatherer, fisher, farmer, miner, builder…  In each case, Human energy is put forth in a meaningful way and the product represents that energy, with the meaning giving it value.  Everything They used was free – the bows, the baskets, the rods, the seeds and soil and sun and rain, the picks – were created with free stuff through Human energy meaningfully expended so as to collect the free goods (with more meaningful energy expended).

Because the product of meaningful energy expended was scarce, compared to all One might want to accomplish, We placed the value We did on what We produced.  Out of this grew the exchange of the products – whether services or tangible.  From this We can see that 100% of the cost of anything is the cost of energy, whether Human or “external.”

When trade and barter became too cumbersome, tokens began being used, and more convenient tokens were devised as time went on.  Shells, beads, coins, bills, checks, electronic funds – all tokens of this meaningful energy expended.

Throughout the history We have on this planet, there has been the presumption that energy is scarce.  This has affected the way in which Our society has grown.  For instance, when Humans began to be used as the energy source along the assembly line, the “work ethic” sprouted up to keep Us believing that a handful of tokens was Our just due for doing Our duty to the system, keeping it going.  In fact, We have become slaves of this system.

Until recently, the energy scarcity has been a yoke on Humanity, in the form of money, and the symptoms of wearing that yoke are many.  Poverty and privilege, oppression, wage/debt slavery, greed, a banking system that is out of control, and war profiteering.  With accumulations of money comes power – in fact, power over Others is merely another form of money, leading Us to the equation, money=power=energy.

Now, for the first time in Our given history, We have access to the energy pool We swim in – the so-called “Dark” Energy, also called zero point energy, radiant energy (Tesla), orgone (Reich), “vacuum” energy, plenum energy, and other such names.  The methods of extracting this energy, however, have been hidden and suppressed.

Because the power “elite” know Their power depends on energy scarcity – which begs for a system to account for it, and thus money (and thus power over Others) – They hide any technologies that offer free energy.  If we had free energy flowing, the cost of things would be vastly cheaper as the cost of “external” energy is removed all down the production line.

Another development We are just now seeing is the great advancement in robotics.  We are at the point where all necessary work no One WANTS to do can be done by robot.  If free energy took the bulk of the cost of things away, making robots affordable, and We built robots for all the necessary work no One WANTS to do (or not enough People), We can remove the cost of Human energy – and this will make everything…free.

We Humans will readily do things We WANT to do for merely the social currency it brings Us:  appreciation, thanks, lauds, fame, recognition, attention, and Self-satisfaction.

And so…  Rather than Us dividing on the issues of what bandaid in what shape, size and contour We should be placing on what societal sore, I call for a solidarity in doing all We can to strip the “elite” of Their power over Others – by working to release free energy extraction methods from secrecy, and building robots.

Let’s break out of the old paradigm and institute simple societal seeds for a healthy society to emerge from.

For more detail please see:

1.  The Foundation:  http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=657.0
2.  Governance:  http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2103.0
3.  A Plan:  http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2759.0
4.  Another approach:  http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3067.0
5.  Info about one hidden free energy method:  http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1308.0
6.  The Ethical Planetarian:  http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=604.0

Let Us go a new direction on this planet and solve all issues related to money – which is at least 98% of the problems We see.  First step:  Spread awareness of this solution to the tipping point.


The root of all evil is the LOVE of money.  Remove the soil in which the root grows...


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Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: Groggy on March 13, 2013, 05:53:01 pm
That could cut my overhead by 75% easy. I'm in!  :)
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: robomont on March 13, 2013, 07:35:36 pm
there is a show called idiocracy and another called wally.both show what happens to humans who are slothful.the world already has all we need to survive but folks are ignorant and that comes from being slothful.in the new world order the slothful will be put to work at happy camps.thats why all this talk about our soldiers turning on us is a joke.most are so stupid and lazy my teenage daughter could easily take one out.sure there will be a few pumped soldiers but most are sissies.thats why we use more drones.way more reliable.then theres the donut eater cops.put cuffs on or pull trigger then eat more donuts.we here are the real heroes of this country and world.mind over muscle everytime.
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: robomont on March 13, 2013, 07:42:42 pm
useless eaters and your breathing my oxygen comes to mind.if robots serve us all we turn into big bags of fat overbreading like roaches and dumbing down society.ameritsu or amy as we call her believes as you.the two of you could cheer each other on in your quest for utopia but it will only happen through brains and brawn.which equals work.imho
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: Amaterasu on March 13, 2013, 08:07:05 pm
there is a show called idiocracy and another called wally.both show what happens to humans who are slothful.the world already has all we need to survive but folks are ignorant and that comes from being slothful.in the new world order the slothful will be put to work at happy camps.thats why all this talk about our soldiers turning on us is a joke.most are so stupid and lazy my teenage daughter could easily take one out.sure there will be a few pumped soldiers but most are sissies.thats why we use more drones.way more reliable.then theres the donut eater cops.put cuffs on or pull trigger then eat more donuts.we here are the real heroes of this country and world.mind over muscle everytime.

And I say that is BS.  It is propaganda, love.  That is what happens to Humans who have nothing to do and no way to afford to do what They WANT to do.  Give Them the wherewithal and Humans will be gloriously creative.
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: Amaterasu on March 13, 2013, 08:11:46 pm
useless eaters and your breathing my oxygen comes to mind.if robots serve us all we turn into big bags of fat overbreading like roaches and dumbing down society.ameritsu or amy as we call her believes as you.the two of you could cheer each other on in your quest for utopia but it will only happen through brains and brawn.which equals work.imho

I don't know about You, darling.  But I plan to travel, maybe help out at archaeological digs...  I plan to teach what I know.  I plan to see other planets in other solar systems in other galaxies.

I'm not sitting around for nothing if the chance to do what *I* want to do comes along.  I respect anyOne's right to become wall-eed, but none of My friends I don't think would choose THAT when so many more novel options open up.
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: sky otter on March 13, 2013, 08:15:41 pm


robo
i find this hard to believe but gold for you  ;D

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useless eaters and your breathing my oxygen comes to mind.if robots serve us all we turn into big bags of fat overbreading like roaches and dumbing down society.ameritsu or amy as we call her believes as you.the two of you could cheer each other on in your quest for utopia but it will only happen through brains and brawn.which equals work.imho
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: robomont on March 14, 2013, 08:45:13 am
i set here and plan all day long but not much happens .sure id like to do things too but .i just got off the phone with a seventy year old friend of mine.he wants to trade me his 96isuzu for 24 days of labor.the truck is blue booked at 1800 which is insane when it almost impossible to find new parts for it.he is broke like the rest of us.i want his little 300 dollar dump bed trailer that goes on a four wheeler for my gardening and firewood hauling.he wont get rid of it.these things become obstacles to creating production.plus there is not enough raw materials for everybody to have widgets a.b.c.d.to infinity.
i for one would love to dig for bones and would give my services freely as long as someone payed for my clothes food shelter transportation while i dig for bones but i dont see that happening.i just dont visualize this free world we talk about.i wholly support the idea but i just dont visualize it coming to be.
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: Amaterasu on March 14, 2013, 02:33:46 pm
i for one would love to dig for bones and would give my services freely as long as someone payed for my clothes food shelter transportation while i dig for bones but i dont see that happening.i just dont visualize this free world we talk about.i wholly support the idea but i just dont visualize it coming to be.

That's the thing... No One is paying for the things You need to go do what You want to do.  The food, clothing shelter, water is provided richly, and even love in a nebulous form...  For more immediate love, You're on Your own.  [smile]

Most of Us, with barriers removed from good education, access to tools and transportation, will move off to do those things We presently can only want to do.
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: Groggy on March 14, 2013, 06:46:10 pm
I'm ready to protect myself by any means. but i would like to believe there is a peaceful solution. Endless wars throughout history have brought us to where we are today. We are a feisty race, that is for sure. If we can find another way, humanity can take the next step. I would love to see the elevation of our species during my life, that would be totally kickass!
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: Amaterasu on March 17, 2013, 03:27:23 pm
Greetings, Groggy.  Thank You for Your comment.

War, for the most part, and surely for the last 1000 years has been driven by profiteering.  The addition of free energy will remove war profiteering as a motive.

I do hope You choose to read the rest of the linked work.

Welcome to The Living Moon!
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: zorgon on March 17, 2013, 03:41:14 pm
I'm ready to protect myself by any means. but i would like to believe there is a peaceful solution. Endless wars throughout history have brought us to where we are today. We are a feisty race, that is for sure. If we can find another way, humanity can take the next step. I would love to see the elevation of our species during my life, that would be totally kickass!

Why are there "endless" wars?  Why is this the 5th civilization? Why do kids instinctively pick up a stick and start sword fighting before they know what a sword is?

Throughout History there have been Utopian societies create that last a brief period... only to fall once again into chaos and ruin, usually resulting in that entire group being wiped out.

Why does this repeat over and over? Would it not make sense that once you have created Utopia... a land where everyone has what they want and peace reigns... that you would maintain it?

When you can answer that WHY you will be one step closer to that next level
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: Amaterasu on March 17, 2013, 04:23:17 pm
z, the reason past utopias failed is because they did not have three things We have just now in the Human history We know of.

1.  Free energy
2.  Robots
3.  Worldwide communication for all

Most "utopias" require(d) People to add Human energy to maintain things, they all have used money or had requirements to work, and ALL have been subject to scarcity for these reasons.  If the pilgrims had had free energy and robots...They would have thrived from the get-go.

As for bringing up kids and fake swords...  ALL kids (virtually) know that They are NOT out to kill, hurt, maim or otherwise cause lasting harm, even in Their play.  Like kittens who will mock-battle but bite softly, claw gently, Humans like to PLAY at war.  And like I have said, there is likely to be a LOT of THAT. 

But aside from that the tensions inherent in scarcity are what causes the emergence of greed, envy, motive to defraud, motive to hide advances (i.e., cures), and other behaviors that will lose motives when abundance flows and money is not needed.
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: robomont on April 05, 2013, 10:51:42 pm
i believe the billionaires of history have created the wars.ie the gods.
knowledge gets out of hand .
for example.my biggest fear is a afgani child of war learning how to make ebola.then coming to the ole usa for a little payback.
or a little kim launching a missile from a sub off the east coast into washington while obama hides out in denver.
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: zorgon on April 06, 2013, 01:24:19 am
...while obama hides out in denver.

Maybe we can hire that Afghani child with the bug to drop it down the air shaft in Denver :P
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: zorgon on April 06, 2013, 01:38:19 am
z, the reason past utopias failed is because they did not have three things We have just now in the Human history We know of.

Perhaps in your knowledge. But in my world ours is the FIFTH civilization and Atlantis (the 4th.. not merely a lost island) had free energy. The Greeks had robots.. called automatrons... knowledge left over from the 4th civilization.

Atomic war (or at least high energy weapons) has wiped out mankind before. The places we call deserts today... the Sahara... the Gobi... theses were once lush lands of Abundance... the proof is in the tektites and desert glass found in most of our most desolate spots... glass from vitrification of annihilated cities.. some in India still have above normal radiation... and the same tektites and desert glass are found at the Nevada test site

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Humans like to PLAY at war.  And like I have said, there is likely to be a LOT of THAT. 

Well that is what happened to the last four civilizations (BTW one was of Giants...  I think the second)  So if the wars are big enough and long enough they will wipe out 80% of humanity... That would then leave plenty for the survivors.  How long after all those wars you speak of will your utopia come to pass?  First people will just need to survive the next day... its going to be a very long time.

How about we skip the total nuclear annihilation thing this time :P

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But aside from that the tensions inherent in scarcity are what causes the emergence of greed, envy, motive to defraud, motive to hide advances (i.e., cures), and other behaviors that will lose motives when abundance flows and money is not needed.

Not true in all cases. Take Helen of Troy for example...  there you have two kingdoms that were rich and powerful... Those guys could have had any woman they wanted... but they both wanted ONE woman... and your Abundance Paradign cannot fix that desire... and because of THAT desire, all the greed hatred and envy came to a head to a point that nearly wiped out both kingdoms.

And that was only 2 men coveting 1 woman. It wasn't about money. it wasn't about land, it was about love (well sorta :P  more like LUST)

The point is all it takes is ONE situation like that triggered by ONE individual that NO ONE was able to stop. History is full of them... there will always be another one
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: Eighthman on April 06, 2013, 06:27:51 am
Somebody at Zen Gardner pointed out that, if you get Israel and North Korea out of the way,  you've pretty much got world peace between nations (Syria and such are civil wars).

As to robots and free energy, we've still got a long ways to go, unfortunately.
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on April 06, 2013, 06:38:05 am
My take on all of this. Why is there someone out there that thinks THEY know how to live YOUR life? They instinctively know that what you're doing is wrong. They see a problem and  viola! they know a better way. They know the reasons you act the way you do. And that can't be good. Look at all the problems; They know how to fix things! Mankind does not change, at least the basic instinct part. There will always be wars, famine, pestilence, no matter how 'evolved' we become. There will always be problems and wait...there will always be someone who knows best!

Leave me the hell alone!... ;)

Rock

P.S. Damn I open my mouth again on a subject that I know nothing about...oops :P
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: 1Worldwatcher on April 06, 2013, 07:24:53 am
Rock
P.S. Damn I open my mouth again on a subject that I know nothing about...oops :P

And I detected some Sarcasm there as well!!! :P LOL Ha ha ha!!!! "Get'em Sgt.!!" Ha ha ha!!

1WW
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: Amaterasu on April 06, 2013, 08:52:37 am
Perhaps in your knowledge. But in my world ours is the FIFTH civilization and Atlantis (the 4th.. not merely a lost island) had free energy. The Greeks had robots.. called automatrons... knowledge left over from the 4th civilization.

Ah, I suggest that at none of those times was there a paradigm shift - and that the "free energy" was still in control of the few.  The whole hierarchical scheme was never broken.

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How about we skip the total nuclear annihilation thing this time :P

That is My goal.   The revolution (I aim for) will be in ideas and not blood.

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Not true in all cases. Take Helen of Troy for example...  there you have two kingdoms that were rich and powerful... Those guys could have had any woman they wanted... but they both wanted ONE woman... and your Abundance Paradign cannot fix that desire... and because of THAT desire, all the greed hatred and envy came to a head to a point that nearly wiped out both kingdoms.

Again I will say:  NO, it will not solve interpersonal relationships.  YES, Humans will desire One anOther.  There will be conflicts - but the Helen of Troy thing will not be possible for the following reasons:

1.  The guys would be no more or less powerful than any other Human around.
2.  Helen would have a say.

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The point is all it takes is ONE situation like that triggered by ONE individual that NO ONE was able to stop. History is full of them... there will always be another one

In scarcity where One can build armies by paying enough to hold Them...  Sure.  When there is nothing but charisma to hold armies...One had better have a good plan, eh?



My take on all of this. Why is there someone out there that thinks THEY know how to live YOUR life? They instinctively know that what you're doing is wrong. They see a problem and  viola! they know a better way. They know the reasons you act the way you do. And that can't be good. Look at all the problems; They know how to fix things! Mankind does not change, at least the basic instinct part. There will always be wars, famine, pestilence, no matter how 'evolved' we become. There will always be problems and wait...there will always be someone who knows best!

Leave me the hell alone!... ;)

Rock

P.S. Damn I open my mouth again on a subject that I know nothing about...oops :P

If You examine My work...  You will find that nowhere do I suggest ways to live One's life.  I set up a framework in which each of Us may do exactly as We please - provided it does not involve hurting Others.  From living in a cave or on the steppes of Mongolia to having a palace on land or in the air, from living like the Amish to living as a hedonist.  From spending time surfing to studying medicine.  Whatever You WANT to do.  And I will surely leave You alone as long as You are not deliberately hurting People, killing People, taking or damaging Others' property, or defrauding.

So...  Sure, problems will crop up - and leaders with the BEST solutions will emerge - rather than electing leaders to find the cheapest or most profitable (for some) way to solve them.

But I say You are wrong relative to the war - if there is no profit in it...why would We war?  Famine is also very solvable when planetary distribution is available (for free), and so too will be pestilence.

Have You read the work at the links in the OP?
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: Anynonmouses on April 06, 2013, 09:01:16 am
We are in the first of three paradigms theoretically existing between pain and plenty. We're still in pain mode, where the elite rule us, we are servants of the system and are limited in every way imaginable.

Next we move to a transition between pain and what I call the free mode...which is a little ways off yet. In this transition from pain to freedom we are seizing back control of our government, as well as our individual selves. In paradigm two we are sovereign individuals unfettered by borders or limits except one--DO NO HARM, the universal law. Transition implies we are currently engaged in defeating our limitations and control itself, freeing us to imagine, invent and plan for better tomorrows. Once we've gotten control of ourselves, paradigm two looks great!

Paradigm two will be the impetus for a transition into paradigm three, a situation in which we have no need of money, energy is everywhere and free to use, robots do all tasks people would rather not do and we are riding around in electrogravitic vehicles with the ultimate in crash avoidance technology. We'll have urges to visit friends on other planets and show up hours later for lunch.

It is useful (for me anyway) to stay focused in the current paradigm with my eye on the prize--paradigm three. Jumping the gun in conversation can lead to misunderstandings. If I'm a paradigm three thinker but am still working out the bugs and frustrations of transitioning to paradigm two, or talking about robots doing the tedious work etcetera I seem like a dreamer, and I am, but those who don't dream as fast as me are left wondering how much of that stuff I smoked!

I want to see people becoming excited about the prospect of becoming galactic beings with only one universal law in the pocket, and I want to help get there any way I can, because I can smell it--paradigm two is close, and paradigm three will happen at light speed compared with how long it took to get from paradigm one to paradigm two.

Ammy (I call her that because it's short for AMULET, like an ammy of strength, etcetera AND it's an excuse to inject another "m" into the mix just to be silly)...your quest to advance the possibilities you describe are laudable, crucial, and I'm on your side--AT your side literally. I get it because we discuss these things almost constantly (to my delight), which in itself brings into being a space for such things to happen.

Free energy is the first step. Next we topple the government and any other control freak who attempts to grow a brain, then we control our own destiny free of debt or the need for money, then we build robots to replicate themselves, electrogravitic craft, free energy devices, homes and the rest of it, THEN we party like the inventive rock stars we know we are, and travel the universe. All aboard!

We can't fail. We're not here for that!

Peace and Love,
JD
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: Edward on April 06, 2013, 11:32:21 am
We are in the first of three paradigms theoretically existing between pain and plenty. We're still in pain mode, where the elite rule us, we are servants of the system and are limited in every way imaginable.

Next we move to a transition between pain and what I call the free mode...which is a little ways off yet. In this transition from pain to freedom we are seizing back control of our government, as well as our individual selves. In paradigm two we are sovereign individuals unfettered by borders or limits except one--DO NO HARM, the universal law. Transition implies we are currently engaged in defeating our limitations and control itself, freeing us to imagine, invent and plan for better tomorrows. Once we've gotten control of ourselves, paradigm two looks great!

Paradigm two will be the impetus for a transition into paradigm three, a situation in which we have no need of money, energy is everywhere and free to use, robots do all tasks people would rather not do and we are riding around in electrogravitic vehicles with the ultimate in crash avoidance technology. We'll have urges to visit friends on other planets and show up hours later for lunch.

It is useful (for me anyway) to stay focused in the current paradigm with my eye on the prize--paradigm three. Jumping the gun in conversation can lead to misunderstandings. If I'm a paradigm three thinker but am still working out the bugs and frustrations of transitioning to paradigm two, or talking about robots doing the tedious work etcetera I seem like a dreamer, and I am, but those who don't dream as fast as me are left wondering how much of that stuff I smoked!

I want to see people becoming excited about the prospect of becoming galactic beings with only one universal law in the pocket, and I want to help get there any way I can, because I can smell it--paradigm two is close, and paradigm three will happen at light speed compared with how long it took to get from paradigm one to paradigm two.

Ammy (I call her that because it's short for AMULET, like an ammy of strength, etcetera AND it's an excuse to inject another "m" into the mix just to be silly)...your quest to advance the possibilities you describe are laudable, crucial, and I'm on your side--AT your side literally. I get it because we discuss these things almost constantly (to my delight), which in itself brings into being a space for such things to happen.

Free energy is the first step. Next we topple the government and any other control freak who attempts to grow a brain, then we control our own destiny free of debt or the need for money, then we build robots to replicate themselves, electrogravitic craft, free energy devices, homes and the rest of it, THEN we party like the inventive rock stars we know we are, and travel the universe. All aboard!

We can't fail. We're not here for that!

Peace and Love,
JD


You have it spot on.  And you lay it out nicely for those who do get it and now they understand(like myself) that it is important to keep the eye on the prize while still working through the situation you are in to get to where we are going.


Edward
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: zorgon on April 06, 2013, 01:36:29 pm
Ah, I suggest that at none of those times was there a paradigm shift - and that the "free energy" was still in control of the few.  The whole hierarchical scheme was never broken.

You 'suggest'   based on what evidence?

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That is My goal.   The revolution (I aim for) will be in ideas and not blood.

Noble cause... :D But humans will be humans :P

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Again I will say:  NO, it will not solve interpersonal relationships.  YES, Humans will desire One anOther.  There will be conflicts - but the Helen of Troy thing will not be possible for the following reasons:

1.  The guys would be no more or less powerful than any other Human around.
2.  Helen would have a say.

Well 1) that would require all humans being genetically modified to be the SAME (as Hitler tried to do :P ) because ThIS..

(http://www.destructoid.com/elephant//ul/4272-468x-wimp.jpg)

will never have the same power as THIS

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rwOtHZEqaO8/UOYBD4ICb_I/AAAAAAAAADM/sD_XhVava54/s1600/The-Rock.jpeg)

and 2) Helen did have a say in it... Women playing men against each other is an age old theme... and that will only get worse if they have a lot of free time on their hands to pursue their bliss.  We call them Black Widows for a reason :D

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In scarcity where One can build armies by paying enough to hold Them...  Sure.  When there is nothing but charisma to hold armies...One had better have a good plan, eh?

Your wrong...  I am not a King by blood.. I created my own Kingdom. There are many such Kingdoms around and each King has his own loyal followers. I do not pay my army... they follow me because they like what I offer. They swear allegiance (fealty) to me because they WANT to.  When we go to war, sure it is technically a play war... but it is real enough and if the need arose most of these people would take it to the next level. In fact there is a song about that very thing.

These people follow the Laws of Vassalage.  The one thing your TAP equation ignores is that humans inherently want a leader. The vast majority of the human race is more comfortable following a good leader than being out on their own

The Anonymous movement and the Occupy movements are PROOF of that... both are merely a new shepherd with a new, latest fad idea to follow.  We are already seeing corruption appear in the Anon movement because anyone can don that mask and do evil in the name of the movement. It too shall fall as people get bored.

These are a few of the Eleven Kings present at Court 2002...  you have no idea of the power and the sincerity at such events unless you experience it.

(http://landoflegendslv.com/07foreign/03orgs/01SCA/images/Events/Estrella2002/court/court013.jpg)

Such Kingdoms number membership in the thousands all around the world. Why so many? because people seek the good old days when small leaders took care of their own.

Cults use the same principle. A charismatic person decides on a goal... finds others that like his direction... and soon they will follow him literally to the death.

This has nothing to do with money or scarcity... it is the nature of the beast


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If You examine My work...  You will find that nowhere do I suggest ways to live One's life.  I set up a framework in which each of Us may do exactly as We please - provided it does not involve hurting Others.  From living in a cave or on the steppes of Mongolia to having a palace on land or in the air, from living like the Amish to living as a hedonist.  From spending time surfing to studying medicine.  Whatever You WANT to do.

Back in the 70's the Hippies preached "Do your own thing"  At the time I was 6ft 2in had a brush cut, had a PI license and wore a tan trench coat...  Had some friends in that Hippy movement who kept telling me I needed to mellow out and smoke pot and try that LSD and that I needed to stop 'being the man' and do my own thing.  Well I WAS doing my own thing... but since it was not there ideal of /my own thing' I was wrong :P

My Chinese friend once took me to the after hours club where the Chinese workers hang out. We walked in and the place went silent... the Ma Jong tables suddenly cleared... until my friend said I was okay LOL  After that it was great :D

People that think doing anything you want has to be what they THINK you should want. This has happened over and over. And they get mad when you say "No I don't want to do what you want... thanks anyway"  And when they get mad enough that you won't listen to their solution... that leads to war

Aleister Crowley a rogue Rosicrucian used the Law of Thelema "Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law"... but that was distorted from the original Wiccan Rede "And it harm none, do as though wilt."

So his bliss was not exactly compatible with the rest of the Occult world. (Oddly enough when people today who are not initiated speak... it is Crowley that is most remembered :Pc )

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And I will surely leave You alone as long as You are not deliberately hurting People, killing People, taking or damaging Others' property, or defrauding.

Good to hear :D But We will defend what is ours... be that family or ferret, home or country... or Empire :D

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So...  Sure, problems will crop up - and leaders with the BEST solutions will emerge - rather than electing leaders to find the cheapest or most profitable (for some) way to solve them.

The leaders with the BEST solutions generally get assasinated like Lincoln who abolished slavery in this country and Kennedy who wanted to take down the banks and give us free access to space.  It is always the WORST leaders that seem to mess things up and they are supported by the easily swayed masses.  Hitler gave starving Germans a peoples car, a speed limitless hwy and someone to blame their woes on and that was all it took.  Alexander the Great was made a HERO... they today we find out that purely out of spite and greed he wiped out a Utopian civilization that had gotten so soft with Abundance that they no longer knew how to fight for their way of life

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But I say You are wrong relative to the war - if there is no profit in it...why would We war?  Famine is also very solvable when planetary distribution is available (for free), and so too will be pestilence.

The Profit in war comes along after the war starts because greedy people take advantage of a situation... and today... sure some powers rattle sabers because they know there is a buck to be made.

I had a friend in Toronto who was Croatian. At the time it was called Yugoslavia. Now he was the nicest guy, calm pleasnat never hurt a fly... taught me the gem business. One day a dealer came into the shop and simply said during conversation "Oh so your from Yugoslavia..."  Well my friend exploded ... "I am from Croatia... don't you forget it..." He had turned red... but quickly caught himself and apologized. 

Like the Hatfields and McCoys the fight between Bosnia Srbia and Craotia was a long running family blood feud.  Word War 1 was started directly over this issue, not money. In fact the money powers had fought hard to prevent the war.  "On 28 June 1914, Gavrilo Princip, a Bosnian Serb student and member of Young Bosnia, assassinated the heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne, Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria in Sarajevo, Bosnia."

Then everyone took sides and it quickly escalated out of control around the world

The Hatfields and McCoys... family hate feud
The Trojan war was not over money  it was over a woman...
The Civil War was not about money... it was one side trying to free slaves (and was a success on that score)

I could go on... but most wars are started over petty things... someone feels wronged by another, and everyone else gets sucked into the fray.

Then once it starts your money grubbers see the opportunity to sell arms, plunder riches and then sell rebuilding. Having unlimited cash food etc will be nice, but it won't remove the thing that most drives people to fight... a pure hatred of the other guy

The extremist Muslims HATE our freedom (even such as it is now) and are determined to wipe us out and fall under their way of looking at things

That Korean buffoon has the same goal and whether or not it will come to much, a lot of people (his mostly) are going to suffer

Communism tried to make everyone equal... it failed too because inevitably the wrong people rise to the top.

Your dream is worthy, but humans have a long way to go on the evolutionary scale before we can see such a change that is both global and long lasting....

And that is provide we even survive the next coming ice age :P

Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on April 06, 2013, 02:10:10 pm
Ah, I suggest that at none of those times was there a paradigm shift - and that the "free energy" was still in control of the few.  The whole hierarchical scheme was never broken.

That is My goal.   The revolution (I aim for) will be in ideas and not blood.

Again I will say:  NO, it will not solve interpersonal relationships.  YES, Humans will desire One anOther.  There will be conflicts - but the Helen of Troy thing will not be possible for the following reasons:

1.  The guys would be no more or less powerful than any other Human around.
2.  Helen would have a say.

In scarcity where One can build armies by paying enough to hold Them...  Sure.  When there is nothing but charisma to hold armies...One had better have a good plan, eh?



If You examine My work...  You will find that nowhere do I suggest ways to live One's life.  I set up a framework in which each of Us may do exactly as We please - provided it does not involve hurting Others.  From living in a cave or on the steppes of Mongolia to having a palace on land or in the air, from living like the Amish to living as a hedonist.  From spending time surfing to studying medicine.  Whatever You WANT to do.  And I will surely leave You alone as long as You are not deliberately hurting People, killing People, taking or damaging Others' property, or defrauding.

So...  Sure, problems will crop up - and leaders with the BEST solutions will emerge - rather than electing leaders to find the cheapest or most profitable (for some) way to solve them.

But I say You are wrong relative to the war - if there is no profit in it...why would We war?  Famine is also very solvable when planetary distribution is available (for free), and so too will be pestilence.

Profit is not the only reason for War, Power is the only thing that drives some people. Human nature is what it is. And I say it will never change.

Have You read the work at the links in the OP?
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: Amaterasu on April 06, 2013, 11:10:29 pm
You 'suggest'   based on what evidence?

That We still have problems; a money system, a hierarchy.

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Noble cause... :D But humans will be humans :P

Not sure what You mean by that.  Get the ideas to the tipping point, and We WILL create a better system.

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Well 1) that would require all humans being genetically modified to be the SAME (as Hitler tried to do :P ) because ThIS..

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will never have the same power as THIS

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Darlin', You're missing the point.  The men in the "myth" had ARMIES.  Sure two men alone might have One beat the Other - but NOT vast mayhem, death and destruction.

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and 2) Helen did have a say in it... Women playing men against each other is an age old theme... and that will only get worse if they have a lot of free time on their hands to pursue their bliss.  We call them Black Widows for a reason :D

Yeah, but it will not be between any but a few men.  NOT vast mayhem, death and destruction.

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Your wrong...  I am not a King by blood.. I created my own Kingdom. There are many such Kingdoms around and each King has his own loyal followers. I do not pay my army... they follow me because they like what I offer. They swear allegiance (fealty) to me because they WANT to.  When we go to war, sure it is technically a play war... but it is real enough and if the need arose most of these people would take it to the next level. In fact there is a song about that very thing.

[sigh]  There You go trying to pretend fun and games = vast mayhem, death and destruction.  How many of those "loyal" to You would actually enter battle wherein They are rather likely to die?

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These people follow the Laws of Vassalage.  The one thing your TAP equation ignores is that humans inherently want a leader. The vast majority of the human race is more comfortable following a good leader than being out on their own

Again, I will go over this with You.  It absolutely does NOT ignore that humans inherently want a leader - and in fact, this is NOT an inherent aspect of Humans.  SOME want leaders, SOME want autonomy, SOME want to lead.  Many don't want leaders except where things are uncertain and Others seem to have a better handle. 

Be that all as it may, leaders (and followers) will emerge for each project undertaken.  And many will go into fantasy land and pretend some Joe (or Ron) is "king."  Or other such playtime fantasy.

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The Anonymous movement and the Occupy movements are PROOF of that... both are merely a new shepherd with a new, latest fad idea to follow.  We are already seeing corruption appear in the Anon movement because anyone can don that mask and do evil in the name of the movement. It too shall fall as people get bored.

Occupy was engineered and BS.  Anonymous is infiltrated and amorphous.  They prove nothing.

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These are a few of the Eleven Kings present at Court 2002...  you have no idea of the power and the sincerity at such events unless you experience it.

Yeah.  So?  How many of Their "vassals" are actually killing One anOther?  Or...  Is this make-believe, too?

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Such Kingdoms number membership in the thousands all around the world. Why so many? because people seek the good old days when small leaders took care of their own.

And/or just love to escape the real world into fantasy.

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Cults use the same principle. A charismatic person decides on a goal... finds others that like his direction... and soon they will follow him literally to the death.

Oh, certainly.  BUT...  If any such cults break the three Laws - the rest of Us will mete justice.  Otherwise... Who the funk cares?

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This has nothing to do with money or scarcity... it is the nature of the beast

Yeah, but - without money/profit as motive, vast mayhem, death and destruction will not take place.   I do not aim to end Some following Others - just remove the impetus to follow Others into vast mayhem, death and destruction.


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Back in the 70's the Hippies preached "Do your own thing"  At the time I was 6ft 2in had a brush cut, had a PI license and wore a tan trench coat...  Had some friends in that Hippy movement who kept telling me I needed to mellow out and smoke pot and try that LSD and that I needed to stop 'being the man' and do my own thing.  Well I WAS doing my own thing... but since it was not there ideal of /my own thing' I was wrong :P

My Chinese friend once took me to the after hours club where the Chinese workers hang out. We walked in and the place went silent... the Ma Jong tables suddenly cleared... until my friend said I was okay LOL  After that it was great :D

People that think doing anything you want has to be what they THINK you should want. This has happened over and over. And they get mad when you say "No I don't want to do what you want... thanks anyway"  And when they get mad enough that you won't listen to their solution... that leads to war

The nice thing in abundance is that You will be able to go be with Those who LIKE who You are.  You are not stuck with bosses, co-workers, and subordinates You don't get along with.  So...  You do Your own thing and if Others don't like it...find Those who do.

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Aleister Crowley a rogue Rosicrucian used the Law of Thelema "Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law"... but that was distorted from the original Wiccan Rede "And it harm none, do as though wilt."

So his bliss was not exactly compatible with the rest of the Occult world. (Oddly enough when people today who are not initiated speak... it is Crowley that is most remembered :Pc )

As an initiate of Wicca, I have always preferred the Wiccan Rede.  Aleister would do just fine in abundance - unless what HE wanted to do was hurt Others.  As long as the three Laws are kept...

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Good to hear :D But We will defend what is ours... be that family or ferret, home or country... or Empire :D

I'm all over that for family, ferret, or home.  Your right, indeed.  Country in abundance will become mostly meaningless - and Empire?  Heh.  Maybe a fantasy empire...

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The leaders with the BEST solutions generally get assasinated like Lincoln who abolished slavery in this country and Kennedy who wanted to take down the banks and give us free access to space.  It is always the WORST leaders that seem to mess things up and they are supported by the easily swayed masses.  Hitler gave starving Germans a peoples car, a speed limitless hwy and someone to blame their woes on and that was all it took.  Alexander the Great was made a HERO... they today we find out that purely out of spite and greed he wiped out a Utopian civilization that had gotten so soft with Abundance that they no longer knew how to fight for their way of life

You're not seeing things clearly here...  Lincoln was assassinated because He issued the greenbacks, Kennedy because He tried to mess with the Fed.  The BEST will NOT be killed when there is no money/power reason to do so.  The WORST get in because of money/power.  The worst get elected for the same reasons.

As for fighting...  Who would Humanity fight?  ET?  If so, I don't think it would matter how "soft" We got.

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The Profit in war comes along after the war starts because greedy people take advantage of a situation... and today... sure some powers rattle sabers because they know there is a buck to be made.

Ah, geez, z.  The MOTIVE to profit starts it all.  The false flags and propaganda and infiltration then begin, with the aim to incite to war.  Then the war starts and the suppliers jump in and feed both sides if They can.  Then the "infrastructure rebuilders come through, all profiting from what They started in the first place.

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I had a friend in Toronto who was Croatian. At the time it was called Yugoslavia. Now he was the nicest guy, calm pleasnat never hurt a fly... taught me the gem business. One day a dealer came into the shop and simply said during conversation "Oh so your from Yugoslavia..."  Well my friend exploded ... "I am from Croatia... don't you forget it..." He had turned red... but quickly caught himself and apologized. 

Like the Hatfields and McCoys the fight between Bosnia Srbia and Craotia was a long running family blood feud.  Word War 1 was started directly over this issue, not money. In fact the money powers had fought hard to prevent the war.  "On 28 June 1914, Gavrilo Princip, a Bosnian Serb student and member of Young Bosnia, assassinated the heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne, Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria in Sarajevo, Bosnia."

Then everyone took sides and it quickly escalated out of control around the world

And could that not have been a calculated effort to start a war?  I might think of it in that situation.  And sure, many are opposed to war - Humans ARE NOT WARLIKE naturally.  Naturally, They defend and protect.  It takes money/power or a psyop/propaganda to incite to war. 

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The Hatfields and McCoys... family hate feud

Yeah.  One set of families.  In confined area.  Without much chance of picking up and leaving.  Very different from abundance where We all may move elsewhere as easily as We order dinner at a restaurant.

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The Trojan war was not over money  it was over a woman...

Really, it was more power wielded by the woman...

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The Civil War was not about money... it was one side trying to free slaves (and was a success on that score)

Wrong.  The slave issue was a side issue but made a good story for the history books.  Lincoln was printing greenbacks, the North was resource-poor and the South resource-rich, and the idea was to help the North on Southern backs.  The North knew that without the South's riches, it would implode.  THOSE were the REAL reasons for the war.  In abundance, all that is moot.

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I could go on... but most wars are started over petty things... someone feels wronged by another, and everyone else gets sucked into the fray.

Wrong again. 

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Then once it starts your money grubbers see the opportunity to sell arms, plunder riches and then sell rebuilding. Having unlimited cash food etc will be nice, but it won't remove the thing that most drives people to fight... a pure hatred of the other guy

Dear, very few carry hatred to such an extent They will kill rather than avoid someOne They don't like.  Like 0.001%.  Most of Us will rarely if ever encounter One We don't like more than once.  We will spend time with Those We DO like.  Social superconductance as We spend time with the Ones We love and enjoy, can leave the vicinity of any We find distasteful, and can move anywhere We want to.  Another new element in Human history.

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The extremist Muslims HATE our freedom (even such as it is now) and are determined to wipe us out and fall under their way of looking at things

No...  They have been infiltrated by inciters.  They don't care about Our freedoms.  Geez.  Did propaganda work that well on You that You believe that sh1t?  The war profiteers have many infiltrated to incite.

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That Korean buffoon has the same goal and whether or not it will come to much, a lot of people (his mostly) are going to suffer

Or not.  I think it is all just bluster.

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Communism tried to make everyone equal... it failed too because inevitably the wrong people rise to the top.

Again.  Communism is one pie (scarcity), divided up and divvied out by People who are greedy (greed emerges from scarcity) and who keep back for Themselves.  Abundancism is a huge warehouse full of pies from which We each may take as much or as little as We want.

Communism REQUIRES work from People.  Abundancism allows People to contribute or not, as is Their bliss.

Communism:  from Each according to ability; to each according to need.  Abundancism:  from each according to bliss; to each according to desire.

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Your dream is worthy, but humans have a long way to go on the evolutionary scale before we can see such a change that is both global and long lasting....

I disagree.  I think You are applying emergent behaviors inherent in scarcity and assuming they will somehow persist in abundance (and also made a number of errors in estimating the cause of wars...)

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And that is provide we even survive the next coming ice age :P

Well, I will go forth as if We will.
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: Amaterasu on April 06, 2013, 11:16:42 pm
Profit is not the only reason for War, Power is the only thing that drives some people. Human nature is what it is. And I say it will never change.

If You had read My linked work, You would know that there is a direct and intimate link that leads to the equation, money=power=energy.

Add free energy and power over Others gives way to autonomous power over Self.  The only tools for holding power will be charisma and good ideas.

Add free energy and the money and the power over Others will dissipate.
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: Anynonmouses on April 07, 2013, 12:19:04 am
Humans change, humans evolve and so do their patterns of thinking. Psychology...NOW you're in MY realm.

If people never change we'd still be owning slave people HERE. Abroad some still own them, and occasionally you might hear about indentured servitude. We have come far since those days, and we're getting further along down the road of decency (governments notwithstanding) than our great grandfathers might have imagined we would.

Control freaks are the trouble with everything. They tend to go around selling the notion that people enjoy being ruled, and by the way--check out this sporty little politician over HERE! We've heard every promise made, and they've ALL been broken to one extent or another. Enough with the control freak paradigm...we'll be evolving now, thanks.

Ammy's onto a great plan and scenario for the future. War is far less likely as a hobby when any one of us can jump into our little BMW space buggy and settle a planet of our own. Under such circumstances I doubt you'll be bribing armies of fatted video game junkies to go marching around with 100 pound packs carrying rifles to go subdue...um...other video addicts, so just cool your jets and take a breath if you think it's all useless, and people just suck.

First of all, as my ubiquitous "Manual For Life" (see above in this thread for the link) states, the REASONS why some people suck will no longer apply. There will not be a government school trying to teach your child tolerance for animal sex, homosexuality, murder or making terrible pizza! We'll be educating our young at home, as we should have been doing throughout history.

Some love to follow and frankly some always will, but there will be much better people to follow, and those who lead will be interested in benefiting ALL OF MANKIND, not just the elite few who like circus clowns, draw audiences of peanut eaters into their circus. If there is no cost for education and information is freely disseminated then we have no gatekeepers disallowing those they don't like from enjoying the fruit of knowledge, which belongs to all of us equally, like it or not.

You need to understand that in what I refer to as "Paradigm Three," we're not lazy, we're freed up from our slavish conditions to mingle around this and every other planet. Does that sound boring to you? If so, perhaps I can charge you an exorbitant rate to reconfigure your obviously broken mind.

The strong preying on the weak will be less of an issue as time and societal norms change to reflect the coming renaissance of technology and freedom. If the only law is "DO NO HARM," then I suggest people will NOT find it a difficult principle to grasp...at least for most.

As for "weak" people...I lived in Slab City, CA near Niland for about a half a year. I can tell you that amongst the BROTHERS (all adult males in legion with common sense who deplore violence and harmful stupidity) we looked out for and protected those who couldn't fend for themselves. It will be more this way everywhere as time goes on.

Here's an in-your-face direct quote from ME: People are not equal, they are unique, and no matter the circumstance, no one is less important, PERIOD!

Peace and Love,
JD
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: zorgon on April 07, 2013, 02:43:16 am
Not sure what You mean by that.  Get the ideas to the tipping point, and We WILL create a better system.

Well perhaps it is this 'tipping point' you speak of. I disagree that a mere 10% no matter what formula you use is enough to materialize this brave new world you envision

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Darlin', You're missing the point.  The men in the "myth" had ARMIES.  Sure two men alone might have One beat the Other - but NOT vast mayhem, death and destruction.

Those men had no Armies at first... the Armies gathered as certain types stepped into the fray... those that live for war. Hitler was a failed art student, a nobody... but he had one gift... the ability to talk people into following him... even if that led off the cliff :D

Yeah, but it will not be between any but a few men.  NOT vast mayhem, death and destruction.

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[sigh]  There You go trying to pretend fun and games = vast mayhem, death and destruction.  How many of those "loyal" to You would actually enter battle wherein They are rather likely to die?

More than you might imagine, if they felt my cause was just. What you are missing is the current war gamers are turning vast mayhem, death and destruction into video games, but using live ammo. War will become  a game played on video screens with joy sticks with real live drones at the other end... cold, impersonal, robotic

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Again, I will go over this with You.  It absolutely does NOT ignore that humans inherently want a leader - and in fact, this is NOT an inherent aspect of Humans.  SOME want leaders, SOME want autonomy, SOME want to lead.  Many don't want leaders except where things are uncertain and Others seem to have a better handle.


We shall have to agree to disagree on that  8) Cut off food supply and electriciyt for a month in any major city today, then come back and lets talk what happened. ;)

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Be that all as it may, leaders (and followers) will emerge for each project undertaken.  And many will go into fantasy land and pretend some Joe (or Ron) is "king."  Or other such playtime fantasy.

What makes a person a King or a leader? What makes people decide to follow someone?  What you call fantasy is far more real than you can imagine. But be that as it may... one thing is certain... those in my 'kingdom' would be well equiped to survive any disaster and they would be the go to people if the SHTF... You know we even have our own loom so while everyone else is running around like headless chickens, we can still make our own Royal Robes :D  Sure sounds like fantasy to you, but our people have the skills to survive if and when the infrastructure fails. ;)

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Occupy was engineered and BS.  Anonymous is infiltrated and amorphous.  They prove nothing.

Sad but true...

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Yeah.  So?  How many of Their "vassals" are actually killing One anOther?  Or...  Is this make-believe, too?

Well one would hope that no one is killing anyone :P However I would hazzard to guess that 90% of them have killed or would kill in the line of duty or if the need arose. Trust me on this...  If the cops ever go anti public... citizens will want to seek us out to have their back ;)

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And/or just love to escape the real world into fantasy.

I thought you were a big supporter of creating your own reality?  Was that merely talk? or do other people's reality not count?

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Oh, certainly.  BUT...  If any such cults break the three Laws - the rest of Us will mete justice.  Otherwise... Who the funk cares?

Ah well that 'rest of you meting out Justice'... why does that sound the same as the current PTB? Sounds like a lynch mob justice... on the face of it

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I do not aim to end Some following Others - just remove the impetus to follow Others into vast mayhem, death and destruction.

Okay that is good enough  no vast mayhem, death and destruction at the hands of man.

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I'm all over that for family, ferret, or home.  Your right, indeed.  Country in abundance will become mostly meaningless - and Empire?  Heh.  Maybe a fantasy empire...

Well why can't I have an Empire if you say I can have anything I want :P Gotta be some land somewhere in all that abundance that I can use  8)

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You're not seeing things clearly here...

Oh I see clearly :P I just don't see what you see :)

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As for fighting...  Who would Humanity fight?  ET?  If so, I don't think it would matter how "soft" We got.

The Barbarians from the North, naturally (not sure why they always come from the north, but they do... and eventually they WILL come... they always do and always have. ET? What makes you think they are a problem? The ones I have seen so far are not much of a foe :P The Greys sneak around in the dark with Anal probes; We seem to shoot down their craft easily enough (either that are they are lousy pilots :P) The Reptilians? Not seen them do much... the Pleaidians?  Bunch of liars and tricksters from the looks of things...

Nah it will be those Barbarians from the North  8)

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Ah, geez, z.  The MOTIVE to profit starts it all.  The false flags and propaganda and infiltration then begin, with the aim to incite to war.  Then the war starts and the suppliers jump in and feed both sides if They can.  Then the "infrastructure rebuilders come through, all profiting from what They started in the first place.

So your saying they don't make war just because they LIKE it?  Hmmm not what the history books say. And I doubt those Muslim hoardes that have been at war for 2000 plus years care a lot for money or profit... all they want is those 72 virgins ;)

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Humans ARE NOT WARLIKE naturally.  Naturally, They defend and protect.  It takes money/power or a psyop/propaganda to incite to war. 

I disagree... we can choose not to fight today, but it is part of what we are. We have not yet evolved into true beings of Light. Did you know the Apollonauts carried a .45?  Did you know that astronauts are licensed, and carry, handguns as well as semiautomatics out into space? ...yeah okay it's for 'protection' :P

Look go ahead and try to reach that tipping point :D More power to you if it happens. I just don't see it happening or even getting close for at least a hundred years... and by that time this meat sack will be back in the ecosystem feeding those GM foods :P
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: zorgon on April 07, 2013, 03:29:38 am
Humans change, humans evolve and so do their patterns of thinking.

I haven't seen a lot of changes since the Cro Magnan race wiped out the Neanderthals with sticks and stone... Only difference I see is that we are more efficient at it now with high tech

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If people never change we'd still be owning slave people HERE. Abroad some still own them, and occasionally you might hear about indentured servitude. We have come far since those days, and we're getting further along down the road of decency (governments notwithstanding) than our great grandfathers might have imagined we would.

You should check out the sub culture on slavery... might shock ya  8)  If your not sqeamish just google that with safe search turned off

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Control freaks are the trouble with everything. They tend to go around selling the notion that people enjoy being ruled, and by the way--check out this sporty little politician over HERE! We've heard every promise made, and they've ALL been broken to one extent or another. Enough with the control freak paradigm...we'll be evolving now, thanks.

Great to hear... evolution does tend to select the fittest... so they say

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Ammy's onto a great plan and scenario for the future. War is far less likely as a hobby when any one of us can jump into our little BMW space buggy and settle a planet of our own. Under such circumstances I doubt you'll be bribing armies of fatted video game junkies to go marching around with 100 pound packs carrying rifles to go subdue...um...other video addicts, so just cool your jets and take a breath if you think it's all useless, and people just suck.

Well a) I don't need to bribe anyone and b) that comment about "fatted video game junkies" may be your reality but in mine it's more like this.  Meet Bjarki the Black... contracted to be my body guard back then. In this picture he is standing beside Gov kenny Guin after we knighted him and the other two are Channel 3 news anchors.  I would not call him a "fatted video game junkie" if I were you. :P He is special forces and volunteers on New years to keep the peace between the Bloods and the Crypts in Nort Las Vegas...

A BMW can be an adrenalin rush, especially on a Rally circuit :P but the War games...  nothing like it to stir the blood

Here is one of our Swordsmith's testing a blade by cutting cinder blocks :D
(http://landoflegendslv.com/07foreign/03orgs/01SCA/images/Events/Estrella1996/022.jpg)

And pity the poor fool that thought it a good idea to hit the Queen so hard he ripped off her helm and split her lip :P  But the fiesti lass was right back on the field after the hospital put 7 stiches in her lip

(http://landoflegendslv.com/07foreign/03orgs/01SCA/images/Events/Estrella2000/009.jpg)

http://landoflegendslv.com/07foreign/01ov/images/Events/Forest1999/People/002.jpg

See while you guys are talking some future utopian robot freeloader societywhere everything is free and no one needs to work... and calling us "fatted video game junkies"

...WE are living our dream to its fullest today... :D

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First of all, as my ubiquitous "Manual For Life" (see above in this thread for the link) states, the REASONS why some people suck will no longer apply.

Saw that  I hate that creepy Anon robot voice... makes it hard to get any message 

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There will not be a government school trying to teach your child tolerance for animal sex, homosexuality, murder or making terrible pizza! We'll be educating our young at home, as we should have been doing throughout history.

Some love to follow and frankly some always will, but there will be much better people to follow, and those who lead will be interested in benefiting ALL OF MANKIND, not just the elite few who like circus clowns, draw audiences of peanut eaters into their circus. If there is no cost for education and information is freely disseminated then we have no gatekeepers disallowing those they don't like from enjoying the fruit of knowledge, which belongs to all of us equally, like it or not.

Well here in Las Vegas if there were no laws to keep them in school, most of the kids would rather hang out with the gangs than go to school. Since their parents could care less, who will teach them? For those kids 'home schooling' would be how to shoot a glock 9mm gangland style. I am sure the same is true in most of our inner cities these days

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You need to understand that in what I refer to as "Paradigm Three," we're not lazy, we're freed up from our slavish conditions to mingle around this and every other planet. Does that sound boring to you?

Well the 'proof is in the pudding' as the Brits say... where are the test groups that show that people allowed to run free will not be lazy? So far History has shown us that the more free time people have, the more they turn to lethargy, sloth and decadence in seeking pleasure. They become "fatted video game junkies"  :P

As to other planets, so far the ones we have access to are pretty harsh dreary places. I know a few people that have gone and they don't have a nice travel report.

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If so, perhaps I can charge you an exorbitant rate to reconfigure your obviously broken mind.

Now see? There you go shooting yourself in the foot. If all your talk of world changes is reduced to you 'needing to reconfigure your obviously broken mind'  your whole plan is obviously flawed.  You want to convince me?  Well show me the tipping point and lets see what happens...

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The strong preying on the weak will be less of an issue as time and societal norms change to reflect the coming renaissance of technology and freedom. If the only law is "DO NO HARM," then I suggest people will NOT find it a difficult principle to grasp...at least for most.

Today the majority of people "DO NO HARM" by choice and old do so when pushed into a corner. It is the handful that DO that have cause all our problems. It only takes ONE man to topple a plan if he is a good talker. (I say man because I don't know of any woman that has become a megalomanical despot :P )

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As for "weak" people...I lived in Slab City, CA near Niland for about a half a year. I can tell you that amongst the BROTHERS (all adult males in legion with common sense who deplore violence and harmful stupidity) we looked out for and protected those who couldn't fend for themselves. It will be more this way everywhere as time goes on.

So it is with my current 'support group' but we survive and help in style and comfort :D
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: Amaterasu on April 07, 2013, 08:43:17 am
Well perhaps it is this 'tipping point' you speak of. I disagree that a mere 10% no matter what formula you use is enough to materialize this brave new world you envision

Some claim only 1% if They are focused enough...  [shrug]  But whatever the tipping point is - and Malcolm Gladwell pegged it at 10% after much research...*I* will go forth.

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More than you might imagine, if they felt my cause was just. What you are missing is the current war gamers are turning vast mayhem, death and destruction into video games, but using live ammo. War will become  a game played on video screens with joy sticks with real live drones at the other end... cold, impersonal, robotic

I am not missing that.  I know the system is designed to deHumanize, brainwash, and beset Those so processed upon the rest of Us.  As for any Human fighting for a just cause, sure.  I expect it fully.  I am saying few causes are just (but propaganda is used to make it SEEM like there is a "just cause..."), and virtually all are motivated by profit - more food, control of resources, e and t and c.
 
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We shall have to agree to disagree on that  8) Cut off food supply and electriciyt for a month in any major city today, then come back and lets talk what happened. ;)

Yes, z.  People do fight for survival (just cause).  That is not what We are describing.  It's not like abundance will place Humans in positions of fighting for Their survival.  So to take a scenario where survival is at risk and use the behavior as an indication of what Humans are "normally" is a tad disingenuous.

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What makes a person a King or a leader? What makes people decide to follow someone?  What you call fantasy is far more real than you can imagine. But be that as it may... one thing is certain... those in my 'kingdom' would be well equiped to survive any disaster and they would be the go to people if the SHTF... You know we even have our own loom so while everyone else is running around like headless chickens, we can still make our own Royal Robes :D  Sure sounds like fantasy to you, but our people have the skills to survive if and when the infrastructure fails. ;)

Oh, I don't doubt that verisimilitude produces Those who are prepared for the real thing.  I'm just saying that in a stable society, where problems can be solved the best way by Those who emerge from the masses because They are motivated, have well-supported ideas, are NOT motivated by profit for Themselves only (which IS the case most often in scarcity solutions such as capitalism, communism and socialism), nothing but the best results can be expected.

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I thought you were a big supporter of creating your own reality?  Was that merely talk? or do other people's reality not count?

Um...  I am a big supporter of bringing in a system whereby Humans are free to create Their own life.  Never said that, like The Secret, We all can go off and have Our own reality. 

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Ah well that 'rest of you meting out Justice'... why does that sound the same as the current PTB? Sounds like a lynch mob justice... on the face of it

I will have to do a piece on how We process Those few who choose to hurt/kill Others, take/damage Others' property, and/or defraud.  But the accused will always be seen as innocent until proven guilty.  The system differs from Our present one in that the accused is confined by Those who care (if not enough care, it will hardly be considered a crime, eh?), ALL evidence may be presented on both sides via the web, and Those who care (which, in the case of a murder is like3ly to be much of Humanity as word spreads from Human to Human on the web) will decide the case.

No bribable, threatenable judges.  And with all Humans as peers, the "jury" will be of peers.

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Well why can't I have an Empire if you say I can have anything I want :P Gotta be some land somewhere in all that abundance that I can use  8)

Where did You get the idea I said You cannot have any social setup You want with like-minded individuals?  Sure, You can have a group and call Yourself an empire.  You cannot then go forth conquering and creating vast mayhem and death amongst the rest of Humanity, as it breaks the three Laws.  Beyond that...do what Thou wilt.

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The Barbarians from the North, naturally (not sure why they always come from the north, but they do... and eventually they WILL come... they always do and always have. ET? What makes you think they are a problem? The ones I have seen so far are not much of a foe :P The Greys sneak around in the dark with Anal probes; We seem to shoot down their craft easily enough (either that are they are lousy pilots :P) The Reptilians? Not seen them do much... the Pleaidians?  Bunch of liars and tricksters from the looks of things...

Nah it will be those Barbarians from the North  8)

*I* never said ET was a PROBLEM.  I asked who Humanity on this planet would need to defend Themselves from - and offered that as a somewhat tongue-in-cheek inquiry.  You do love to twist words a bit, eh?

As to BFTN (barbarians from the north)...  Um.  Yeah.

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So your saying they don't make war just because they LIKE it?  Hmmm not what the history books say.

Oh, and history books are SO good at giving truth, eh?  No.  War has ALWAYS been for profit - access to resources, more farmland, gold, money...  Few if any woke up one morning and thought, Yeah!  Let's go risk Our lives and try to beat the snot out of Those People just because We LIKE hurting and killing and blood and stuff.

I will not say that never has an Individual gained power through money and was one of the 0.001% that would start sh1t because They were mentally unhealthy, but the rule is that Some have something the initiators of war want.

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And I doubt those Muslim hoardes that have been at war for 2000 plus years care a lot for money or profit... all they want is those 72 virgins ;)

War incitement has been going on a long time...

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I disagree... we can choose not to fight today, but it is part of what we are. We have not yet evolved into true beings of Light. Did you know the Apollonauts carried a .45?  Did you know that astronauts are licensed, and carry, handguns as well as semiautomatics out into space? ...yeah okay it's for 'protection' :P

And *I* say that without Those who would profit from war, war would become virtually nonexistent and though Humans may skirmish over women locally, there will be no such thing as a "world war."

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Look go ahead and try to reach that tipping point :D More power to you if it happens. I just don't see it happening or even getting close for at least a hundred years... and by that time this meat sack will be back in the ecosystem feeding those GM foods :P

Well, I plan to go ahead spreading the ideas, whether I get approval or not.  [grin]  *I* see it happening much sooner because, with the vast connection We Humans have now, ideas can spread far faster than they could even 50 years ago.  And I'm hoping to have some help in spreading these ideas.  All the faster then, they will spread.
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: Anynonmouses on April 07, 2013, 09:21:29 am
I haven't seen a lot of changes since the Cro Magnan race wiped out the Neanderthals with sticks and stone... Only difference I see is that we are more efficient at it now with high tech

You should check out the sub culture on slavery... might shock ya  8)  If your not sqeamish just google that with safe search turned off

Yeah...great example of rampant slavery, Z. It's underground SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE it is not popular, and getting less so as time goes on. On this point you don't need to concede; the point is inherently made true by quantifiable numbers...basic math if you will.

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Great to hear... evolution does tend to select the fittest... so they say

Evolution does not select the "fittest." Experience does.

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Well a) I don't need to bribe anyone and b) that comment about "fatted video game junkies" may be your reality but in mine it's more like this.  Meet Bjarki the Black... contracted to be my body guard back then. In this picture he is standing beside Gov kenny Guin after we knighted him and the other two are Channel 3 news anchors.  I would not call him a "fatted video game junkie" if I were you. :P He is special forces and volunteers on New years to keep the peace between the Bloods and the Crypts in Nort Las Vegas...

I'm 6'4" 235, have been defeated in hand-to-hand combat twice, and never beyond age 19. Fact--I've been in 30 fights in my life, all of which I assumed it was to the death...but alas, I am merciful. I've seen your hero pictured...and he reminds me of a scrawnier and a bit younger version of myself. I'm no bad-ass; I don't have to be, nor am I given to bragging lol.

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A BMW can be an adrenalin rush, especially on a Rally circuit :P but the War games...  nothing like it to stir the blood

Here is one of our Swordsmith's testing a blade by cutting cinder blocks :D
(http://landoflegendslv.com/07foreign/03orgs/01SCA/images/Events/Estrella1996/022.jpg)

I don't use a sword to cut cinder blocks...there are more efficient tools for that. I thought you guys are supposed to know this stuff as "survivalists." Try a maul or hammer or some chisels if a jackhammer isn't available lol.

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And pity the poor fool that thought it a good idea to hit the Queen so hard he ripped off her helm and split her lip :P  But the fiesti lass was right back on the field after the hospital put 7 stiches in her lip

(http://landoflegendslv.com/07foreign/03orgs/01SCA/images/Events/Estrella2000/009.jpg)

http://landoflegendslv.com/07foreign/01ov/images/Events/Forest1999/People/002.jpg

See while you guys are talking some future utopian robot freeloader society where everything is free and no one needs to work... and calling us "fatted video game junkies"

...WE are living our dream to its fullest today... :D

Fantasyland is a great aside from the drudgery of the norm. I apparently struck a nerve with the video game junkie depiction, but hey--it stands, and for the most part I don't have a problem with fatted video game junkies, as long as they keep fantasyland and reality separate, meaning they don't engage in real harm to others.

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Saw that  I hate that creepy Anon robot voice... makes it hard to get any message

I posted a link to the TEXT version, Z...which you obviously have NOT bothered to read due to your "anon" prejudice. That's another thing...you've alluded to the collective known as "Anonymous," saying they are another example of people following a leader. Really? WRONG! Anons have no leader, don't want a leader and believe in anarchy (which doesn't mean wild nonsensical behavior, rather--it means GOVERNING OF ONE'S SELF).

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Well here in Las Vegas if there were no laws to keep them in school, most of the kids would rather hang out with the gangs than go to school. Since their parents could care less, who will teach them? For those kids 'home schooling' would be how to shoot a glock 9mm gangland style. I am sure the same is true in most of our inner cities these days

As things are right now, perhaps...for some who were raised by idiots. Bear in mind that once we hit Paradigm Two, the whole game changes because travel won't cost money, electricity won't cost money, information will be free, the internet will be free...so...bottom line on that is, STOP COMPARING WHAT WILL BE TO WHAT IS because the entire field this game we call life on will be fundamentally different. In science you might just say the variables and parameters will no longer apply. If you don't account for the change in variables YOUR scenario would prevail, but me thinketh NOT.

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Well the 'proof is in the pudding' as the Brits say... where are the test groups that show that people allowed to run free will not be lazy? So far History has shown us that the more free time people have, the more they turn to lethargy, sloth and decadence in seeking pleasure. They become "fatted video game junkies"  :P

Again, Z--you aren't accounting for changing variables. People with free time nowadays are happy to relax; it's the only FREE thing we CAN do. If you could vacation in the place of your dreams on a whim and do it for free, I doubt that you wouldn't jump all over it, so don't give me that same old same old, because it doesn't work in Paradigm Two or Three.

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As to other planets, so far the ones we have access to are pretty harsh dreary places. I know a few people that have gone and they don't have a nice travel report.

I've "gone," and found the planet I visited quite refreshing and wonderful. As I said--and especially regarding you, I won't much be going into that. Need to know only...so...

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Now see? There you go shooting yourself in the foot. If all your talk of world changes is reduced to you 'needing to reconfigure your obviously broken mind'  your whole plan is obviously flawed.  You want to convince me?  Well show me the tipping point and lets see what happens...

The tipping point for me individually has already happened, so...in a microcosmic way I'm my own little control group. There is no going back to the "what was" mentality; I've tasted the future, and found it inviting.

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Today the majority of people "DO NO HARM" by choice and old do so when pushed into a corner. It is the handful that DO that have cause all our problems. It only takes ONE man to topple a plan if he is a good talker. (I say man because I don't know of any woman that has become a megalomaniac despot :P )

Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice, Janet Napolatano--shall I go on?

No one man OR woman can topple a great plan.There is a natural order to all things, and we are evolving, like it or not. Those who see no part for themselves in the future will recycle into the form of another person, hopefully with a capacitor (brain) that is NOT so limited.

Peace and Love
JD
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: Anynonmouses on April 07, 2013, 09:54:48 am
War is the result of ego coupled with fear in every case. The sentence could be structured as follows: War is stupid. Go ahead...challenge this statement, and if you do--prepare to look silly.

We don't have peace because we're still FIGHTING for it.

If you can have whatever you and your cadre of like-minded souls desire (as long as it harms no other) then exactly WHAT is the enticement for war? I contend that people in general don't want war, but see war as a means to an end, and therefore engage in it. These idiots haven't bothered to ask me for MY solution to their problem; I can achieve whatever I desire without hurting another.

If hurting another is your thing there are likely to be others who are also into that, and if you and whomever decide you want to harm one another I'm sure the clearer-headed among us might see an advantage in allowing those who want violence to have violence, as long as it is mutually agreed upon, such as an MMA cage fight or mini, isolated skirmish. There should be a private place where those engaging in violence can...as they say...knock each other out.

Throughout history people have dominated others in one way or another. That's coming to an end. Each one of us knows full well what is best for us, so long as we are of "sound" mind, etcetera. What's best for us is to be left alone to do our own thing unfettered by zealots and control freaks who aren't imaginative enough to NOT see a world without the need to control and manipulate others--a world where war is the exception, not the rule, as is the case today.

Ammy is right. Getting to where she is leading will take time, effort and patience. It's all well and good to spout off about how people suck and war is always going to be with us. That doesn't help. Try opening your mind a bit and understand that we're idiots, educated specifically to be limited in our thinking, for the most part, but that era is behind us. We have a fabulous future ahead. We need people propagating optimism, not pessimism.

Peace and Love,
JD
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: zorgon on April 07, 2013, 12:58:54 pm
Evolution does not select the "fittest." Experience does.

Really? Evolution weeds out the weak by natural selection. Experience usually means the tough guys beat up on the weak

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I'm 6'4" 235, have been defeated in hand-to-hand combat twice, and never beyond age 19. Fact--I've been in 30 fights in my life, all of which I assumed it was to the death...but alas, I am merciful.
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nor am I given to bragging lol.

 :o ::)

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I don't use a sword to cut cinder blocks...there are more efficient tools for that. I thought you guys are supposed to know this stuff as "survivalists."

Good Grief Charlie Brown... you just don't get it do you?

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I posted a link to the TEXT version, Z...which you obviously have NOT bothered to read due to your "anon" prejudice.

Well I watched the video.. don't see any real solution in it... but hey that's just me

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That's another thing...you've alluded to the collective known as "Anonymous," saying they are another example of people following a leader. Really? WRONG! Anons have no leader, don't want a leader and believe in anarchy (which doesn't mean wild nonsensical behavior, rather--it means GOVERNING OF ONE'S SELF).

"collective" is a great description  ;D  Like a hive mind. You say Anon are anarchists? Well so far most of the actions that we have seen that have been attributed to and claimed by Anon sure look like "wild nonsensical behavior" I could list many example but what would be the point?

So are you saying YOUR solution is anarchy? How does anarchy fit in with TAP?. The problem with Anon is that anyone can (and do) claim to be anon All they need to do is don a mask and do any silly thing they want and who is to say which action was done by a 'real' member of the movement? By your description there is no movement  just a bunch of anarchists doing whatever they want... and most of them are script kiddies living in Mom's basement being useless eaters.

Since there is no leader, and no group... seems to me Anon is just the latest fad for any punk kid with a beef against the world

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As things are right now, perhaps...for some who were raised by idiots. Bear in mind that once we hit Paradigm Two, the whole game changes because travel won't cost money, electricity won't cost money, information will be free, the internet will be free...so...bottom line on that is, STOP COMPARING WHAT WILL BE TO WHAT IS because the entire field this game we call life on will be fundamentally different.

Okay so what is your timeline for getting from where we are now to Paradigm Two? You cannot change this overnight over the entire globe. So far I have heard what it would be like once we get there (though I am not down with robots doing everything)  but even Amy said she had no INTERIM solutions.

So fine the anarchist will want to topple the system... then what? Who will step up and produce the equipment needed to utilize this free energy and do it for free either now or after the collapse? Or do you thing the new technology will miraculously appear? Free energy is everywhere in the universe but SOMEONE has to build the collectors and device that can harness and use it.

So before we can change to everything free, there has to be a LOT of people NOW willing to do the work for free.  Where are they?

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In science you might just say the variables and parameters will no longer apply. If you don't account for the change in variables YOUR scenario would prevail, but me thinketh NOT.

Well at the moment my scenario IS prevailing. Sure would love to have a car that runs on free energy... then I could go to more wars :P... but no one yet has come up with a working model that can be mass produced for free... and no philanthropist has stepped up to the plate to offer the means to make the start.  Its all well and good to toss around the term 'free energy will solve all our problems' but then not have any plan on how to implement that.  I don't even have a working car right now... so when can I expect one of these free energy vehicle to appear in my driveway?

You want real people to support a plan, you have to have interim solutions on how they will survive to get there... Anarchy won't do it

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Again, Z--you aren't accounting for changing variables. People with free time nowadays are happy to relax; it's the only FREE thing we CAN do.

uh huh...

(http://blush.com.pk/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/couch-potato-kid1.jpg)

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If you could vacation in the place of your dreams on a whim and do it for free, I doubt that you wouldn't jump all over it, so don't give me that same old same old, because it doesn't work in Paradigm Two or Three.

Sure I would... and I can do quite well without a lot of cash because in my world others chip in to make it work for all...
...but I know many that have the means and the money now to do that but spend it on video games and fit your profile of "fatted video junkies"

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I've "gone," and found the planet I visited quite refreshing and wonderful. As I said--and especially regarding you, I won't much be going into that. Need to know only...so...

Yeah we know..  you have been off world and met scads of alien races... but if you told us you would have to kill us :P  So you say your against secrecy but then tell us "Need to know only.. Makes you about the same as the PTB doesn't it? Can you at least name the star system this planet you visited is or is that [classified] too?

 ::)

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The tipping point for me individually has already happened, so...in a microcosmic way I'm my own little control group. There is no going back to the "what was" mentality; I've tasted the future, and found it inviting.

Irrelevant to the grand scheme of things but enjoy your control group ;)

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Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice, Janet Napolatano--shall I go on?

Black Widow class to be sure, but they haven't overthrown any countries yet  8)

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Those who see no part for themselves in the future will recycle into the form of another person, hopefully with a capacitor (brain) that is NOT so limited.

Well I will be worm food long before this plan shows any hope (at least from this incarnation) but isn't that the age old cry that leads to fights and wars when you start tossing veiled insults at those who disagree with your world views?

 ::)

Peace and Love
JD
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Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: Anynonmouses on April 07, 2013, 03:26:41 pm
Really? Evolution weeds out the weak by natural selection. Experience usually means the tough guys beat up on the weak

A Darwinian? Really? Those natural selection pontifications are ideas that have been so thoroughly discredited as to render them utterly laughable. Please!

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Good Grief Charlie Brown... you just don't get it do you?

Well I watched the video.. don't see any real solution in it... but hey that's just me

You were looking for...um...solutions? Try alcohol--it's technically a solution :)

My "Manual For Life" (text version, in your case) is illustrative of where we are as a species and what our interactions have led to, and a synopsis of where we'll be headed soon. It isn't about "solutions." Those you and I will generate (hopefully) based on a more complete understanding of the PRIMER material CONTAINED WITHIN the "Manual For Life" itself.

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"collective" is a great description  ;D  Like a hive mind. You say Anon are anarchists? Well so far most of the actions that we have seen that have been attributed to and claimed by Anon sure look like "wild nonsensical behavior" I could list many example but what would be the point?

Oh please do list the "wild nonsensical" stuff...it's great to see that as well, along with the truly heroic work done by hacktivists trying to open up what our government wants hidden--AND I SUPPORT THAT. I'm tired of losers in government prancing around like kings and queens off the public treasury. I'm tired of idiots looking the other way, assuming that the government, by virtue only of the fact that it is government, has our best interests at heart. No they don't! It's a bunch of treasonous thieves and murderers running the show, so do not preach to me about how bad a group whose sole intent is to force complete disclosure is a bad thing. WON'T FLY WITH ME, sorry.

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So are you saying YOUR solution is anarchy? How does anarchy fit in with TAP?. The problem with Anon is that anyone can (and do) claim to be anon All they need to do is don a mask and do any silly thing they want and who is to say which action was done by a 'real' member of the movement? By your description there is no movement  just a bunch of anarchists doing whatever they want... and most of them are script kiddies living in Mom's basement being useless eaters.

Anarchy is defineable:

Wikipedia says...

"an·ar·chy 
/?an?rk?/
Noun
A state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority.
Absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal."

In other words...governance of self, from the Latin.

There are no such things as useless eaters, but until you have an understanding of the whole picture where the human experience is concerned, namely the learning of all possible things--the good AND the bad, your opinion is as it is, and that is true of most; you tend to decry those you deem inferior. Truly, no one is inferior in the big scheme of things, and I'll go further into clarifying this point should you wish.

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Since there is no leader, and no group... seems to me Anon is just the latest fad for any punk kid with a beef against the worldan·ar·chyan·ar·chy

Seems to me you've had it in for anons for some time. Perhaps that's why you tend to dig at me a bit--and whatever...I'm fine with attitude, and from this side of the screen it's respect and love. Not all of them are "nice" like me. I'm no hacktivist, don't know all that much about computers and secret ways of messing with people. I leave that up to the legion who do. Again, I hate fools who engage in harmful activity and covering up the evidence, therefore--VIVA LA ANONYMOUSE!

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Okay so what is your timeline for getting from where we are now to Paradigm Two? You cannot change this overnight over the entire globe. So far I have heard what it would be like once we get there (though I am not down with robots doing everything)  but even Amy said she had no INTERIM solutions.

Timeline changes depending on how many wake the hell up, and how fast they awaken. You don't HAVE to have robots, but for people like Ammy, they'll be a blessing. You and others can and should do as you damn well please, just don't harm anyone--not even mother Earth, if possible, and everything will progress swimmingly.

We could have a full-scale meltdown of every facet of our government, beginning with financial sectors, progressing into a crescendo of failures at every other level. Once the military personnel understand they won't be getting paid and become volunteers, even they will drop their weapons and return to their families.

In two year's time or less I expect free energy devices to be on the market, if not made available for free to those who need them. People are generally willing to share, except those former government types who don't understand that sort of thinking. I have always done my best to provide whatever possible to those in need, and NOT for profit. So mankind will pick up the slack, if there is slack.

Inventiveness is hindered right now because of very real dangers posed by operatives of GE and the government in conjunction with secret societies seeking to squash free energy, because free energy does not enrich GE or those who conspire to keep us locked into a debt slave cycle and a petroleum based "economy."

Once a government operative gets wind of a legitimate form of free energy the inventor turns up dead and the invention along with all records are confiscated. You haven't heard this? Or is THAT just another wild conspiracy hunch?

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So fine, the anarchist will want to topple the system... then what? Who will step up and produce the equipment needed to utilize this free energy and do it for free either now or after the collapse? Or do you thing the new technology will miraculously appear? Free energy is everywhere in the universe but SOMEONE has to build the collectors and device that can harness and use it.

Individual, benevolent inventors will step up, not the selfish, greedy assbites who have been running the show--that's who.

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So before we can change to everything free, there has to be a LOT of people NOW willing to do the work for free.  Where are they?

RIGHT HERE! You are addressing such a man, Z. I have ZERO interest in personal gain; I want Paradigm Three, and will do my level best to help get us there. How about you and your crew? YES! I will work toward that goal for free.

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Well at the moment my scenario IS prevailing. Sure would love to have a car that runs on free energy... then I could go to more wars :P... but no one yet has come up with a working model that can be mass produced for free... and no philanthropist has stepped up to the plate to offer the means to make the start.  Its all well and good to toss around the term 'free energy will solve all our problems' but then not have any plan on how to implement that.  I don't even have a working car right now... so when can I expect one of these free energy vehicle to appear in my driveway?

Anonymous will be, and has been the impetus for taking down what was, because it's corrupt and finished. We have examples of battery-powered vehicles that could be made available quickly if money were not an issue (see Ammy's TAP info).

Raw materials could be mined robotically, processed and refined robotically, delivered robotically to factories run by robots assembling the vehicles and free energy devices. Further, these robots could replicate themselves in the same manner...so...there are great advancements in the way we do things coming, and money will NOT be an issue, because there are enough like me who are willing to work for free toward this goal.

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You want real people to support a plan, you have to have interim solutions on how they will survive to get there... Anarchy won't do it.

uh huh...

We're mired in regulatory red tape. Some necessary, but most not, which inhibits mankind from pursuing inventions more efficiently. If there weren't the stupid cloak and dagger types skulking around behind our work sheds we could feel better about sharing our ideas, and supporting one another in meaningful ways. Openness is the key--again, the core principle of the Anon movement (which you so lovingly refer to as a fad).

I don't worry about the sixteen or twenty jackbite anons who have no clue. I'm supportive of the hundreds of thousands of Anons who DO get it. Detractors are a dime a dozen, and don't impress me. Mostly they sit on their sofas and worry, instead of getting involved personally to further humanity along.

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Sure I would... and I can do quite well without a lot of cash because in my world others chip in to make it work for all...
...but I know many that have the means and the money now to do that but spend it on video games and fit your profile of "fatted video junkies"

Then let them eat cake; we have work to do.

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Yeah we know..  you have been off world and met scads of alien races... but if you told us you would have to kill us :P  So you say your against secrecy but then tell us "Need to know only.. Makes you about the same as the PTB doesn't it? Can you at least name the star system this planet you visited is or is that [classified] too?

 ::)

I came willing to discuss what I have experienced, but I will not tolerate ridicule. Confronted with such, I tend to show myself the door, as it were. I do not "argue" about what I know...I merely express, with only the best of intentions for all concerned. Currently I feel no motivation to share, having sensed a cold shoulder or two. I am a sensitive human being, despite the rumors.

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Irrelevant to the grand scheme of things but enjoy your control group ;)

I rather thought you might :)

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Black Widow class to be sure, but they haven't overthrown any countries yet  8)

...that we KNOW of, except--lol

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Well I will be worm food long before this plan shows any hope (at least from this incarnation) but isn't that the age old cry that leads to fights and wars when you start tossing veiled insults at those who disagree with your world views?

I don't mean to attack anyone; as I said, I came to express, not control. I don't go around threatening to show you or anyone else "the door" at the first sign of friction. Friction, even constructive tension can in fact lead to positive discourse, which I hope ours will be once you've sized me up and deemed me other than inferior to you.

You have always been regarded as an equal by me, Z. I have NOT enjoyed the same consideration in return. So be it. I hold no ill will toward you or anyone else, even if we might disagree.

As for those who love war...I'll see about setting aside a nice little island for people like that where said individuals and groups can hammer on each other ad nauseum. I can be very accommodating.

Peace and Love
JD
Title: Re: An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries
Post by: Amaterasu on April 07, 2013, 03:47:47 pm
So are you saying YOUR solution is anarchy? How does anarchy fit in with TAP?

Lest You missed it, z...  T.A.P. IS an anarchistic framework.  With only three Laws (stemming from the One: Do no harm), which set up inviolable entities of ALL of Us, beyond that is anarchy.  Even stigmergic governance is devised to solve problems and NOT to dictate any set of behaviors or choices.  This is anarchy at its purest.