Pegasus Research Consortium
Breaking News => Breaking News => Topic started by: dreb13 on October 10, 2017, 10:54:49 am
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Earlier in the year, former Blink 182 musician Tom DeLonge made an announcement that he had some kind of earth shattering info related to the UFO field. Back in February, he teased that he would be letting people know "soon." He claims that he has been speaking with Jon Podesta (no pizzagate talk pls) and other high ranking "inside officials" as he kept pushing back his announcement date month after month. It seems that 10-11-17 is his big day according to a post on his Instagram page.
"tomdelonge: Thank you all for waiting for an announcement that is literally 2 years in the making. I have assembled a team of insiders that I believe can possibly change the world. All are current consultants to the US Gov on National Security Matters, and some literally left days ago from the Department if Defense to join me in this initiative. Fmr. High Ranking Government Officials and Senior Intelligence Officers from CIA, DOD, and also a Chief Engineer (Director of Advanced Programs) from Lockheed Martin’s the Skunk Works have come together aiming to BUILD A REVOLUTIONARY TECHNOLOGY that can change life as we know it (we will be showing a concept of the spacecraft tomorrow), research the unknown and finally tell the “story of the millennia” through Feature Films. NO ONE GOVERNMENT, INDIVIDUAL OR INSTITUTION should own what can truthfully help the world. We all can own it together. To The Stars Academy of Arts and Science is allowing a group of those who are interested to join us on day one. Www.ToTheStarsAcademy.Com (story link in profile) LIVE EVENT TOMORROW at 9am PT at Www.ToTheStarsAcademy.Com"
https://www.instagram.com/tomdelonge/
Tune in tomorrow for the latest info.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/inside-knowledge-about-unidentified-aerial-phenomena_us_59dc1230e4b0b48cd8e0a5c7
"Something extraordinary is about to be revealed. Former high-level officials and scientists with deep black experience who have always remained in the shadows are now stepping into the light. These insiders have long-standing connections to government agencies which may have programs investigating unidentifed aerial phenomena (UAP). They intend to move into the private sector and to make all declassified information, and any future knowledge, available for all to see.
The team includes a 25-year veteran of the CIA’s Directorate of Operations; a Lockheed Martin Program Director for Advanced Systems at “Skunk Works”; a former deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence; a DoD Senior Intelligence officer who, among other sensitive responsibilities, ran a Pentagon aerospace “threat identification” program focusing on unidentified aerial technologies. And well placed and experienced professionals, from Intelligence and high academic positions, are also on board"
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Great news, welcomed with open arms here...lets just hope it isnt like Anonymous and their empty promises...full warp speed ahead capn!
Cheers!
Le
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Sounds like more people see the money to be made in the 'UFO' 'Insider' field....always, always follow the money.... ::)
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Sounds like more people see the money to be made in the 'UFO' 'Insider' field....always, always follow the money.... ::)
So true, Sarge, wait and see if it ends up on Ancient Aliens, then you know its a financial windfall for some!
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Well, there is already a donate button to "Invest" into the company. Its only $5 bucks a share but minimum purchase of $200 is required.
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'They' regurgitate the same crap over and over, with a few adjustments. But nothing really new or earth shattering. It's a money machine and everyone is trying to cash in. Whether it's the speaking circuit or youtube or conspiracy sites. It's all a bunch of crap.... 8)
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Im just waiting for one of those conventions in the desert where the Hollywood Stars of UFOdom come together, and a ship actually lands in the middle of it all and gives them all anal probes..good times had by all!
Id pay 200 bucks for that disclosure event.
Cheers
Le
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Just watching TD talk about the To the Stars Academy.com and the panel of experts.
Its on his Facebook page btw - cheers!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=23&v=-gr-A4ebLeE
https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/ - check out who is on board with them -
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I noticed theyre using the term electrogravitic..I wonder how many of them know of TT Brown and his early 20th century work?
Id have to say the entertainment segment of their primary mission suggests there is a financial aspect to all this, and it reminds me a bit of the Thrive movement by Foster Gamble, or Steven Greer's group..hopefully the people they have involved are genuine and can add some useful information to the mix, since current science is stuck on what we see everyday, while the really cool stuff is done behind closed doors.
Id have to address the philosophical part of all this first, whereas even if a paper was released to the public, open sourced, which specifically included engineering drawings for a viable electrogravitic drive system for land based craft or spacecraft, if the investment would only be possible by the largest and most wealthy defense contractors and corporations?
Would it be used for good or bad?
Could you and me go off grid for pennies on the dollar?
Can I have a vehicular conveyance which would create a net gain of electricity instead of burning fuel?
Will my neighbor be able to build a death ray and zap me for mowing his daisies accidentally?
So many questions come up...Weve been, as Sarge says, conditioned to see the mainstream UFO groups as showboaters and money grubbers, which possibly could diffuse the importance of any actual useful information we might have received from aliens or covert scientific endeavors.
In the end, I would imagine this is actually a slightly veiled reference to release of technology that has been in use for decades, to the general public, and these guys will package the information in a profitable series of vectors to humanity, clearly helping certain people, and surely leaving some in the dust.
We can all hope it means good things to come...and thats where Joe Average stands, watching the big event from our rooftops, with a wish we all benefit, instead of being vaporized. lol
Cheers!
Le
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I don't expect much from Tom's project.
Last year he made a few announcements that clearly indicate he is being taken for a ride.
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I noticed theyre using the term electrogravitic..I wonder how many of them know of TT Brown and his early 20th century work?
From what I have seen about this and after reading the first book, it sounds like they have read some forums/sites to see what people were interested in these days and made a "product" for that "public". Now they are trying to sell it.
Id have to address the philosophical part of all this first, whereas even if a paper was released to the public, open sourced, which specifically included engineering drawings for a viable electrogravitic drive system for land based craft or spacecraft, if the investment would only be possible by the largest and most wealthy defense contractors and corporations?
Supposedly, his information has come from official sources, so at least the US government has known for that for some time and (according to the first book) so have the Russian government, so publishing that information would not put at risk those governments, so why not publish it?
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Last year he made a few announcements that clearly indicate he is being taken for a ride.
I agree.
Either that or he is the one looking for people that want to be "taken for a ride".
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"tomdelonge: Extremely Classified technology adapted for weaponry or defense will NEVER be released to public. It MUST be owned and “invented” by civilians in a private company in order to benefit the world. Thus, the To The Stars Team members who left Government DAYS AGO. Just wait... the best stuff is still coming 😎 ToTheStarsAcademy.Com"
https://www.instagram.com/p/BaHgvWcBEyM/?hl=en&taken-by=tomdelonge
This statement pretty much sums up yesterdays announcement. I'd assume that the former Director of Advanced Programs at Skunk Works would have some insight on how to "invent" this technology for public use. All that Tom and Co. need is $$$. Anyone have a couple million/billion to throw around? It doesn't sound cheap.
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First, are the people listed on his site really who they say they are? Puthoff is real, at least.
Second, where are the theories and formulas? Ben Rich indicated that current formulas are wrong - allowing deep space travel. Even if we can't build out this $tuff now, they could provide the formulas.
Third, is there any sinister purpose possible behind this as a deception? Is it possible that beyond gathering a few bucks, they may want a narrative to help the US Empire to fend off Russia/China? Also, are some of these guys Scientologists (or a branch of it) following some weird plan?
Is there any school of thought that believes that real inventions emerge from strong human imagination? And that they need to 'prime the pump' ?
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Is it possible that beyond gathering a few bucks, they may want a narrative to help the US Empire to fend off Russia/China?
The idea the first book gave was that the US and Russia have this technology, so that may be a possibility.
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http://www.blacklistednews.com/Tom_Delonge_Asking_for_People_to_Invest_in_His_UFO_PSYOP/61241/0/38/38/Y/M.html
If ANY of you are interested in Disclosure, you need to watch this interview !!!! He makes some very important claims !
1) Trump has been briefed
2) The Delonge thing is one of six efforts to bring Disclosure by the government
3) Something happened (undefined) in 2016 that created a sudden push for Disclosure
4) The DeLonge effort will be joined by big Hollywood people, big names to create a TV series that explains what's happening
5) Tom DeLonge is in the 'evil alien' camp, Greer is in the 'good alien' camp.
6) about 13m in, he says that this whistleblower - UFO movement is exclusively a US thing (interesting!)
Judge for yourself.......I'm skeptical but this looks bad if it is designed to set up an Alien false flag. OTOH, maybe that gets modified.
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This is on Grant Cameron's Facebook page right now - https://www.facebook.com/presidentialufo
I see Colm Kelleher of Skinwalker fame is on the panel also - https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=nD4R%2f%2f%2fv&id=FB9EFFA7B1F8088A849783C57E5647EB33580833&thid=OIP.nD4R___v6ZJGIbMWitqpOQEsCm&q=colm+kelleher+skinwalker+ranch&simid=607994653103229910&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0
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An interesting flock of birds...
Hal was associated with Gordon Novel and his project RAM is probably part of this...
(http://cdn.topsecretwriters.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/RAM-rig2.jpg)
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6359.255
Cosmo
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Here's the promised big announcement -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr9196VzOFw
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Thanks for posting that A51!
To add my own thought's on the video... I hope they succeed in their goals! honestly, do :)
I will also add that we seemingly have a problem in discourse when it come's to Black Triangles. These Guy's don't talk about them, Experts on ATS don't talk about them. As someone that's seen one, I know all these other people around the world who have reported what they saw are not imagining it.
I do like their way of trying to embrace people into the unknown and make it normal. Heck people may find better ways to invest their money than acquire another house.. god forbid that will create mayhem if people ignore traditional investment. ;D
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Delonge has been posting updates on his instagram and this was from earlier today. I don't see why there is a need to create a TV show. It would seem that a lot of investment dollars would be wasted. Why not just put video on the website since it will eventually end up on Youtube anyways where it will get the most views. On a related note, posters on other sites have question Tom Delonges net worth of $60 million and wonder why he hasn't invested in his own project. I would like to think that he contributed something to get the ball rolling.
tomdelongeTo The Stars Academy will be launching an Unscripted (reality) Television Series. On it, we aim to bring you in on our weekly progress building an Aerospace and Entertainment Co. We will invite you behind the scenes as we bring out (for the first time in history) US Gov Declassified Videos of UFOs, and Documents that have never-before been seen by the world. Videos captured on the most advanced Military technology in the world. Physical evidence that everyone has been waiting for. Exciting things ahead. Networks can contact APA Agency for all inquiries.
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"I have the TRUTH about Aliens and UFO's" Send me $10,000.00 and I will start a TV show to tell you all about it. That is REAL disclosure..."
Oh wait isn't that what Greer has been doing all these years? Got very rich on that and we are no closer to any disclosure from him , especially his bank records :P
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Getting big Hollywood types involved? WHY? what do they know? Look what they did during the last election... just over paid clowns that think they are special...
So Tom is rich? but he needs others to fund this project? Well I guess that is the way America works, use other peoples money to make your projects work :D
Call me skeptical I think I will join ArMaP's team :P
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Just in case you have not seen this on YT .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO-hAm4g47o
To the Stars made a net loss of -£420,000 in 2016 and as the Sgt Rock says.. watch the money moving !
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To the Stars made a net loss of -£420,000 in 2016 and as the Sgt Rock says.. watch the money moving !
Thanks for that, it's very interesting.
If the other company got the debt, how much money do they have? Or are they also making a loss?
And who is on the Delonge Trust?
PS: You used the wrong symbol, it was $420,000, not £420,000, it makes a big difference. :)
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Seems the entire "team" that was on stage with him has egg on their faces then. Shame on them!
(http://exonews.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Tom-DeLonge-presenting-part-of-the-To-the-Stars-Team.jpg)
Cosmo
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Well it appears that Tom has changed his mind about Bob Lazar.
Last year his comments about Bob were so negative that I left a post on his FB page saying that if you believe that about Bob you have been played big time.
In this very recent interview (post big announcement a few weeks ago) with Joe Rogan, Tom says he is friends with Bob and is going to be releasing his (Bob's) autobiography soon.
He also says he thinks what crashed at Roswell was a German craft with Alien technology inside.
Curiouser and curiouser it does get.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myGpOSTmhaQ
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Thanks for posting that A51!
To add my own thought's on the video... I hope they succeed in their goals! honestly, do :)
I will also add that we seemingly have a problem in discourse when it come's to Black Triangles. These Guy's don't talk about them, Experts on ATS don't talk about them. As someone that's seen one, I know all these other people around the world who have reported what they saw are not imagining it.
I do like their way of trying to embrace people into the unknown and make it normal. Heck people may find better ways to invest their money than acquire another house.. god forbid that will create mayhem if people ignore traditional investment. ;D
Soma - The above video I just posted has some interesting looking Black Triangle footage in there. Tom appears to be up on this subject.
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Bobs the real deal and until i know otherwise,Bob Lazar has my 100%moral support!
If i had the money,he would have my financial support.
His business should have our support as well.
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Latest article:
https://www.inc.com/jeff-haden/the-rock-star-of-mission-statements-literally-startup-seeks-to-explore-outer-reaches-of-science.html
C
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Well it appears that Tom has changed his mind about Bob Lazar.
Last year his comments about Bob were so negative that I left a post on his FB page saying that if you believe that about Bob you have been played big time.
In this very recent interview (post big announcement a few weeks ago) with Joe Rogan, Tom says he is friends with Bob and is going to be releasing his (Bob's) autobiography soon.
He also says he thinks what crashed at Roswell was a German craft with Alien technology inside.
Curiouser and curiouser it does get.
Interesting, why would Delonge be negative about Bob Lazar if back in 2016 they were working in a project together?
(https://i.imgur.com/kx5KlbY.png)
German craft? Maybe, maybe not... My take is that he is being played big time.
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"I have the TRUTH about Aliens and UFO's" Send me $10,000.00 and I will start a TV show to tell you all about it. That is REAL disclosure..."
Oh wait isn't that what Greer has been doing all these years? Got very rich on that and we are no closer to any disclosure from him , especially his bank records :P
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Getting big Hollywood types involved? WHY? what do they know? Look what they did during the last election... just over paid clowns that think they are special...
So Tom is rich? but he needs others to fund this project? Well I guess that is the way America works, use other peoples money to make your projects work :D
Call me skeptical I think I will join ArMaP's team :P
Idk Z... My oppinion is that something (partial disclosure") will come from this... "Some bones" to feed the dogs perhaps? Most probably half truths to portrait gov or mil as the good guys in this whole story. Wait and see.
(https://i.imgur.com/l4CcdEX.png)
From 2-3hours ago:
(https://i.imgur.com/3C2znAo.png)
https://twitter.com/TomDelonge
Delonge is just the Public Relations. To someone following the events, it is clear he does not know much about the field, but he knows things that these "handlers" want people to think about, things that they want people to absorb. That alone is a interesting thing and that's why I much look forward for the coming opinions here.
They may be trying to "rebrand" the whole UFO subject.
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To those really interested going deep on the Delonge story.
Grant Cameron provides so much information and insight into how the partial disclosure method works that it would be a shame not to share it to everyone I can.
UFO / Partial Disclosure Tom Delonge, DoD, CIA with Grant Cameron
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWGOG3MwLoU
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From my perspective,the younger generations dont care or are dumbed down so much,they dont have a clue.
circle ufo are pretty much old school now that the new fighter jets have the tech built in.Tr3b and its derivitives are the long haul and heavy load mover.
No more anal probes and off world sites are up and independently running.so no need really for alien truckers or probers.
so the only market left is speciality and airiel policing.
Since most kids nowadays arent even interested in flying.nor have the money to go that route.aircraft sales will even be slowing.imho.
The gov basically dangled the carrot so long that now the donkey ignores it.just doesnt care anymore.maybe its just me,but at this point in life,im about to the point of not caring either.the abuse has just been too much.the toys just dont have the shiny anymore,which is a shame,as thats what kept people in the game.
Some got so greedy,that the rest turned their backs on gold completely.
Nowadays,a nice piece of fried catfish and a ripe sun warmed peach.thats about all that gets me thinking.
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Update:
(https://i.imgur.com/pKfCVuS.png)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf1uLwUTDA0
"GIMBAL is the first of three US military videos of unidentified aerial phenomenon (UAP) that has been through the official declassification review process of the United States government and has been approved for public release. This footage, and all official USG footage you will see on TTS Academy’s Community of Interest (COI), comes with essential chain-of-custody documentation validating that it is received in its original and unaltered form and is authentic. The US Department of Defense uses this process in order to meticulously ensure that information and material retain their integrity without revealing sources and methods. This documentation is what sets this footage apart from anything else that has previously made its way to the public domain, by establishing its authenticity and thereby giving it enormous historical significance.
While that fact alone is of historical significance, what this 34 seconds of video provides is remarkable. Several key observations are contained in this one video that may help us collectively better understand the physics and technology being employed. In addition, we hear US fighter pilots struggling to determine the nature of object. Key findings include:
• Low observability in both electro-optical and electromagnetic spectrums.
• No distinguishable flight surfaces.
• Lack of obvious propulsion system.
• Never-before-seen flight capabilities.
• Possible energy or resonance field of unknown nature.
The filename “GIMBAL” seems to be traceable to the unusual maneuvering of the UAP."
https://coi.tothestarsacademy.com/gimbal
Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program
"WASHINGTON — In the $600 billion annual Defense Department budgets, the $22 million spent on the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program was almost impossible to find.
Which was how the Pentagon wanted it.
For years, the program investigated reports of unidentified flying objects, according to Defense Department officials, interviews with program participants and records obtained by The New York Times. It was run by a military intelligence official, Luis Elizondo, on the fifth floor of the Pentagon’s C Ring, deep within the building’s maze.
The Defense Department has never before acknowledged the existence of the program, which it says it shut down in 2012. But its backers say that, while the Pentagon ended funding for the effort at that time, the program remains in existence. For the past five years, they say, officials with the program have continued to investigate episodes brought to them by service members, while also carrying out their other Defense Department duties.
The shadowy program — parts of it remain classified — began in 2007, and initially it was largely funded at the request of Harry Reid, the Nevada Democrat who was the Senate majority leader at the time and who has long had an interest in space phenomena. Most of the money went to an aerospace research company run by a billionaire entrepreneur and longtime friend of Mr. Reid’s, Robert Bigelow, who is currently working with NASA to produce expandable craft for humans to use in space.
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Robert Bigelow, a billionaire entrepreneur and longtime friend of Mr. Reid, received most of the money allocated for the Pentagon program. On CBS’s “60 Minutes” in May, Mr. Bigelow said he was “absolutely convinced” that aliens exist and that U.F.O.s have visited Earth.
Contracts obtained by The Times show a congressional appropriation of just under $22 million beginning in late 2008 through 2011. The money was used for management of the program, research and assessments of the threat posed by the objects.
The funding went to Mr. Bigelow’s company, Bigelow Aerospace, which hired subcontractors and solicited research for the program.
Under Mr. Bigelow’s direction, the company modified buildings in Las Vegas for the storage of metal alloys and other materials that Mr. Elizondo and program contractors said had been recovered from unidentified aerial phenomena. Researchers also studied people who said they had experienced physical effects from encounters with the objects and examined them for any physiological changes. In addition, researchers spoke to military service members who had reported sightings of strange aircraft.
“We’re sort of in the position of what would happen if you gave Leonardo da Vinci a garage-door opener,” said Harold E. Puthoff, an engineer who has conducted research on extrasensory perception for the C.I.A. and later worked as a contractor for the program. “First of all, he’d try to figure out what is this plastic stuff. He wouldn’t know anything about the electromagnetic signals involved or its function.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html
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To those really interested going deep on the Delonge story.
Grant Cameron provides so much information and insight into how the partial disclosure method works that it would be a shame not to share it to everyone I can.
UFO / Partial Disclosure Tom Delonge, DoD, CIA with Grant Cameron
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWGOG3MwLoU
Great video Russo!
Grant certainly names names here, and breaks down the Aviary and alphabet soup operatives quite well.
He nicely summarizes how government operatives have routinely infiltrated and monitored every public UFO group since day one, the Aviary being just another episode in the coverup drama.
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Interesting, why would Delonge be negative about Bob Lazar if back in 2016 they were working in a project together?
(https://i.imgur.com/kx5KlbY.png)
German craft? Maybe, maybe not... My take is that he is being played big time.
Yeah I dunno. Maybe that negative comment was in 2015? Unless dementia has set in, I do recall making a facebook post in response to his comment.
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Like several members have stated, I wish Tom all the best on this effort.
Odds in Vegas are still stacked against him though.
I hope we get something better than the Gimbal video released so far.
The gut reaction heard from the pilots on the video is probably right on the money.
Drones.
No unusual directional change movements are displayed.
However some be surprised that it can rotate in midair while still travelling in the same direction.
In the RC helicopter world this is called 3D flight.
When this mode is engaged your chopper will face any direction you choose, while flying in any direction you choose.
You can fly around backwards all day if you like.
Plenty of youtube videos around on 3D flight of RC helicopters to see this.
No reason drones can not do this also.
Let's hope Tom's group can come up with some smoking gun footage, that also has provenance and is equally confirmed as legit by the government as this one is.
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Key findings include:
• Low observability in both electro-optical and electromagnetic spectrums.
Since this is IR footage (detecting heat signatures) I don't see how this translates to electro-optical and electromagnetic spectrums
• No distinguishable flight surfaces.
Most drones do not have distinguishable flight surfaces
• Lack of obvious propulsion system.
Again, most drones do not have obvious propulsion systems
• Never-before-seen flight capabilities.
Never-before-seen by who? RC 3D flight technology has been around for quite a while.
• Possible energy or resonance field of unknown nature.
Or, possibly just heat being vented off the fan motors and heat sinks in the circuitry. This is IR footage after all.
This video is said to be 1 of 3 Govt videos to be released by Tom's group.
Come on, let's see some video of craft "displaying beyond-next-generation capabilities” that Tom's man - Mr. Elizondo spoke about.
Legit gravity propulsion craft have been displaying these capabilities since 1947.
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This video is said to be 1 of 3 Govt videos to be released by Tom's group.
Come on, let's see some video of craft "displaying beyond-next-generation capabilities” that Tom's man - Mr. Elizondo spoke about.
He hasn't left any bread crumbs as far as what the 3rd video will be. The GIMBAL and Nimitz FLIR1 ( http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10748) video are the only ones listed on the "Community Of Interest" section of To The Stars Academy. (if any mods feel the need to condense any of the threads that were made about this topic since multiple news agencies ran with the NY Post story from Saturday, feel free to do so)
However he does tease with the "THIS IS ONLY THE BEGINNING....."
I'm curious to see what types of metal alloys and "other" materials will be shown that have been housed in Las Vegas in modified locations owned by Robert Bigelow which were recovered by Elizondo and other Contractors.
When Joe Rogan interviewed Delonge on his podcast a few weeks back, Tom mentioned something along the lines of materials that could be bombarded with electromagnetic waves of some sort to manipulate space time? I'll have to go back to that video and hear exactly what he was saying. If that is true, and those materials are available to be tested, this could be the start of something revolutionary.
There is a topic over on ATS about this same story which was started by IsaacKoi which has dragged some of the old time UFO posters out of their slumber. That alone has been an interesting development.
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Great video Russo!
Grant certainly names names here, and breaks down the Aviary and alphabet soup operatives quite well.
He nicely summarizes how government operatives have routinely infiltrated and monitored every public UFO group since day one, the Aviary being just another episode in the coverup drama.
And the "bonfire of the vanities" that's going on with some of the actors as well. ::)
Greer is "warning" about the comming false flag comming after the NYT articles.
URGENT: Note that the recent NY Times story is couched from a Threat office of the Pentagon: This a clear ramp up to False Flag FAKE disclosure designed to prepare people for a threat from outer space- so the War Mongers and War Profiteers have a new , bigger enemy . BEWARE
https://twitter.com/DrStevenGreer/status/942500895891259392 (https://twitter.com/DrStevenGreer/status/942500895891259392)
The problem with all this is that it DOES come to mind the Carol Rosin's "Last Card" story.
If this is the case the guys really have the guts. I mean, at this point everyone would know it is a false flag. No way aliens would come and "pew pew pew" the planet. They would have lots of more efficient ways to erase us if that was the goal. Not to mention the fact they could have done it a long time ago.
So the last card would be a joke if this is really what they plan.
Ps. And what a weird "case" this Pandolfi guy is... He and the stories about his wife are so “out of one's senses”. But then you go see who the guy is and, well, its really odd and bizarre.
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The gut reaction heard from the pilots on the video is probably right on the money.
Drones.
The shadowy program — parts of it remain classified — began in 2007, and initially it was largely funded at the request of Harry Reid, the Nevada Democrat who was the Senate majority leader at the time and who has long had an interest in space phenomena. Most of the money went to an aerospace research company run by a billionaire entrepreneur and longtime friend of Mr. Reid’s, Robert Bigelow, who is currently working with NASA to produce expandable craft for humans to use in space.
On CBS’s “60 Minutes” in May, Mr. Bigelow said he was “absolutely convinced” that aliens exist and that U.F.O.s have visited Earth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fMyqZBKbsI
I don't know if those particular UFO in the videos are alien in nature, but if not, it does not change the fact Robet Bigelow knows there is an ET presence here on the planet. So we have a solid statement from a source, contracted by the government that had access to overwhelming data and materials.
Personally I dont have much more doubts about on what what Mr. Bigelow put his hands on. What remains is the desire to see these materials and data with my own eyes, not because of the doubt, but because of curiosity. ;)
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I'm curious to see what types of metal alloys and "other" materials will be shown that have been housed in Las Vegas in modified locations owned by Robert Bigelow which were recovered by Elizondo and other Contractors.
When Joe Rogan interviewed Delonge on his podcast a few weeks back, Tom mentioned something along the lines of materials that could be bombarded with electromagnetic waves of some sort to manipulate space time? I'll have to go back to that video and hear exactly what he was saying. If that is true, and those materials are available to be tested, this could be the start of something revolutionary.
He said something like this:
A piece of metal which can allegedly lose mass if it’s bombarded with enough energy at a certain frequency. In another words “by shooting terahertz at it"(I really dont know what he ment by that) it will float. And warping the space-time continuum around the object by shooting an electron on it.
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This video is said to be 1 of 3 Govt videos to be released by Tom's group.
Come on, let's see some video of craft "displaying beyond-next-generation capabilities” that Tom's man - Mr. Elizondo spoke about.
Legit gravity propulsion craft have been displaying these capabilities since 1947.
CNN Interview:
(https://i.imgur.com/UnhnAYk.png)
https://twitter.com/TTSAcademy/status/942943003479498752
Ex-UFO program chief: We may not be alone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2b4qSoMnKE
The same MSM that, since the beginning ridiculirized the ET hipotesis now seems to treat it with respect(besides the fact they are giving it exposure). How curious huh?
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Interetsing thread and posts made by all..
Very interesting to read about any TdLs connection with Bob Lazar...
and to read or view video about Bob Bigelow..
he certainly seems a very interesting character in the Space and UFO departments...
With him being in Las Vegas has any members ever considered working for him.
He seems to have some varied vacancies listed.
Im not sure I like some of his Work related benefit offers for holidays thou... which seems maybe only upto 3 to 4 weeks a year.. I would have thought that he would offer much better offers to his workers...
although pay may make up for it..
R.B Certainly has some interesting things on his website.. maybe some new stuff if you have not seen it in for some time.
Does anyone know where his Manufacturing company is based in Vegas ?
is it as he He shows on the websites contact address or is it elsewhere
1899 W Brooks Ave, North Las Vegas, NV 89032-3671, United States
I think on looking at a map for that adress it may also be the factory..
On some of the footage on the vacanies page he shows some what maybe drone video footage of the works.. which seems to be maybe more NW of vegas out in the more desert area..as shown on this webpage at the top of it.
http://bigelowaerospace.com/pages/job-opportunities/
or on here
http://bigelowaerospace.com/pages/job-opportunities/media/contact_videobanner.webm
https://bigelowaerospace.com/
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George Knapp did a story last night and interviewed Harry Reid.
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/i-team-exclusive-sen-reid-discusses-ufo-study/883885259
At the end of the video, Knapp says that the $22 million dollar program ended (or at least not funded with tax payer dollars) due to the fact that some intelligence officials were petrified and did not want this "secret" program ending up as front page news. Other had issues continuing it due to religious objections. ::)
Knapp will have a follow up in the next few days with more details.
Astr0144, I saw a street sign that said "Skywalker Way" in that news story which showed one of Bigelow's storage areas. Check google maps for Clayton St at Skywalker Way, Las Vegas NV. It looks like the bulk of that facility was built between 2009 and 2011 based on Google street view images
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https://hotair.com/archives/2017/12/19/lot-ny-times-ufo-story-last-week/
This is significant change and the guys at Hot Air realize it. This information is finally crossing into the mainstream.
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Here is an example of why I said the Gimbal video does not display technology that is unusual -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTYQwMF9KtM
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So maybe the plan here is to gradually ease the public into the idea and save the smoking gun material for last.
For many in the general public who pay no attention to this stuff, it will come as a big surprise and put a big monkey wrench in their day.
I have seen the reaction many times throughout the years. The 'Unholy Thirteen' are probably aware of this from private studies done.
We also have a direct allegation now - that opposition to disclosure from within the Pentagon, comes from a religious faction.
So I am trying to back off my criticism of this group for now and see what they end up showing us.
I want to see government acknowledged footage of 50 foot saucers doing 5000+ MPH while cutting 90 degree corners, stair step maneuvers and instant starts and stops.
That's the type of 'beyond next generation technology' they have spoken of, which has been on display since 1947, and continues to this day in the south western desert.
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/894345/Aliens-Pentagon-UFO-secret-investigation-John-Podesta-lift-the-veil
"lift the veil". It's getting interesting.
I note the rapid decline in US credibility consistent with preventing any alien false flag plot to try to maintain dominance. The ground work may be coming together.
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For many in the general public who pay no attention to this stuff, it will come as a big surprise and put a big monkey wrench in their day.
I have seen the reaction many times throughout the years. The 'Unholy Thirteen' are probably aware of this from private studies done.
We also have a direct allegation now - that opposition to disclosure from within the Pentagon, comes from a religious faction.
That could explain a lot, especially knowing how religious many Americans are. But that rises a question the religious people should be asking, why the opposition? ::)
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pentagon-ufo-alloys-program-recover-material-unidentified-flying-objects-not-recognise-us-government-a8117801.html
Here we go, another bit of info.
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George Knapp did a story last night and interviewed Harry Reid.
Form Facebook 4 hours ago:
George Knapp
4 hrs ·
The results/reports from that once-secret UFO study authorized by the Pentagon have not been made public, and I'm not sure they will ever be released. Tonight in our 6 pm news, former Sen. Harry Reid will tell what he knows about the scope of the study, what data and cases were examined.
I wouldn't trust a word out of Harry Reid's mouth after what he did to John Lear's mine and the Bundy Ranch case....
George Knapp was at John's birthday party for a little while with his puppy dog Jeremy (4 names) Corbell in tow...
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George knap just tweeted more info about the interview Harry Reid gave the I-Team:
(https://i.imgur.com/wbfVmyG.png)
I-Team: UFO study focused on U.S. military encounters.
A excerpt from the interview:
Reporter George Knapp: "Are there indications that Russia and China are studying it?
Harry Reid: "The answer is yes."
Las Vegas businessman Robert Bigelow, whose aerospace facility housed the UFO study team, says he signed a strict non-disclosure agreement and cannot discuss the findings. Reid says the study produced voluminous reports but was canceled because of fears within the intelligence community, fear not only that the story would leak out, but fear based on religious beliefs who felt that UFOs might be satanic.
Reporter George Knapp: "Did you hear that, that it's evil?
Harry Reid: "Yes. I think there are a lot of people who don't like it for a number of reasons and religious views. It didn't fit with what they wanted to spend money on."
Persons familiar with the five year study told the I-Team the effort resulted in three dozen thick reports, some of them several hundred pages in length, as well as another three dozen or so technical reports which projected how this kind of exotic technology might usher in a new era of aviation, and what that might mean.
Thursday, Senator Reid talks about whether we need Congressional hearings on UFOs.
"...but fear based on religious beliefs who felt that UFOs might be satanic."
"Yes. I think there are a lot of people who don't like it for a number of reasons and religious views. It didn't fit with what they wanted to spend money on."
It didn't fit with what they wanted to spend money on? Fear based on religious beliefs who felt that UFOs might be satanic?
Really? I mean is this for real? People running USA fear demons? And thats a REASON to cancel the project? WOW!
To me this is even more interesting than aliens. Unbelievable ::)
You can read the full article and watch the interview here:
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/i-team-ufo-study-focused-on-us-military-encounters/885013955 (http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/i-team-ufo-study-focused-on-us-military-encounters/885013955)
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That could explain a lot, especially knowing how religious many Americans are. But that rises a question the religious people should be asking, why the opposition? ::)
I read some time ago that those in power have been and are concerned that, learning of the existence of aliens, the religious will absolutely freak out and cause hysterical civil unrest.
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I read some time ago that those in power have been and are concerned that, learning of the existence of aliens, the religious will absolutely freak out and cause hysterical civil unrest.
You are right, that may be the case too, but in the article he stated:
"fear based on religious beliefs who felt that UFOs might be satanic." and ""Did you hear that, that it's evil?"
That seems not be about the people in general but about their own(government people) beliefs.
About the fear it could cause in the public oppinion, i think what we are seeing is an acclimation, in short doses, to get people used to it.
And I really hope this goes further. We need to respect people beliefs but the "protection" of these beliefs should not cease with the path of achieving truth. Never.
Edit to add what I really think this is all about. The real fear here is to lose control about people and money/influence from churches if they hurt religion too much. I want to believe this is the reason.
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I agree 100%.
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I wouldn't trust a word out of Harry Reid's mouth after what he did to John Lear's mine and the Bundy Ranch case....
George Knapp was at John's birthday party for a little while with his puppy dog Jeremy (4 names) Corbell in tow...
Harry Reid needs to be tarred and feathered; after what he did that we know about, it is a given that he screwed the american people for years and years.
I am also having doubts about George Knapp after seeing his association with 4 names; don't we have a pic of Tom Delonghe with both of them? ???
This smells...
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Hi Dreb,
On looking at a map of Las Vegas, I found the Bigelow Company .... and it is near North Las Vegas Airport..
and is on Clayton St as you describe....
But so far I could not find anything about a Skywalker Way.. (Maybe thats something occurred since the map that I looked at)
When I initially looked at the map... I had thought that the area where the Bigelow company was located may had been more in a built up area thn I expected..... but I know think that parts of Vegas are more spread out than what my initial expectations had considered.
Dreb 13
Astr0144, I saw a street sign that said "Skywalker Way" in that news story which showed one of Bigelow's storage areas. Check google maps for Clayton St at Skywalker Way, Las Vegas NV. It looks like the bulk of that facility was built between 2009 and 2011 based on Google street view images
A51.... That Model Copter may be one of the most manuverable manmade flying objects that I have ever seen...
and as a human created model... I find that very impressive and although its not moving at 5000 mph or more and turning at 90 degrees... at least I can see it closer up making finer turns that any other flying object that I have seen.
If it was moving at 5000 MPH or more.. from that distance , we may not be able to see it hardly..
but if its was on a larger scale say 50 ft diameter .. and we were viewing it from much further away and it was moving at 5000 MPH...we would have a different perspective of it...
Do any birds even move as well as that model... I think some do.. but not that many ..
Insects (Flies for eg) would maybe appear more to be able to make moves that are more ETS craft like..but at slower speeds..
Here is an example of why I said the Gimbal video does not display technology that is unusual -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTYQwMF9KtM
Yes I am sorry to say from what I believe that I understand about the backgrounds of who G.K has recently associated with... that it does seem concerning for having continuing faith in him..
Seeker
Harry Reid needs to be tarred and feathered; after what he did that we know about, it is a given that he screwed the american people for years and years.
I am also having doubts about George Knapp after seeing his association with 4 names; don't we have a pic of Tom Delonghe with both of them? ???
This smells...
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"fear based on religious beliefs who felt that UFOs might be satanic." and ""Did you hear that, that it's evil?"
Don't forget that George Knapp and Robert Bigelow were involved in the Skin Walker ranch case... It scared the crap out of them and they locked up the info. george is just now releasing that
A PORTAL to somewhere that is NOT nice... may not be Satanic, but it seems it is evil, by our standards
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I am also having doubts about George Knapp after seeing his association with 4 names; don't we have a pic of Tom Delonghe with both of them? ???
I would like to find that
This smells...
BIG TIME I am wondering if this Pentagon "release" is connected the the Skin Walker ranch mess
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(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/normal_At-the-UFO-Congress-2015_photo_medium.jpg)
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(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/normal_At-the-UFO-Congress-2015_photo_medium.jpg)
Interesting... SOMETHING is afoot with these three...
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Remember, I told you guys!
😎
Somethings afoot! 😂
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Opinions as to the timing of these disclosures and the appearance of Oumuamua?
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I was notified last month,we were selling our old fleet to china via cia,i called them out on it.i initially accused the airforce.then found out it was via navy,the money would have gone into the cia black budget.i stopped it.this caused congress to panic as now they needed way to fund the project.this was the reason for the nk anti missile budget increase and the reason for the budget dragging through congress,the dems had plans to spend that money and them along with cia got cut off at the knees.those vehicles should never be in anybodies hands but ours.
The con being we now have better craft and nexrad as backup.
Those craft can kamakazi a whole state to be wiped out.imagine incoming at lightspeed.not a pretty sight.so instead of scrapping them.they will be maintained as reserve fleet.what made them so anxious to give them up was about seven guys got mercury exposure at s1 from cleaning up the last crash.the one of pics from spring time this year showing the alien with the blackened neck.that was mercury oxide.odds are her and her mate were put down.my heart goes out to the team over that.please dont ask me how i know these operations.
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As far as the religious implications,state dept>cia>mkultra>evangelical christians.those preachers gonna have a whole bunch of explaining to do to their flock!
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Interesting... SOMETHING is afoot with these three...
Why a picture from an Arizona UFO congress in 2015 raises suspicion? ???
What so smelly about it?
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Opinions as to the timing of these disclosures and the appearance of Oumuamua?
I think this is just the acclimatization we talked before. The same thing with all the earth like planets and solar systems they are continually releasing time to time.
Oumuamua is the first they talk about but im sure it was not the first one detected. ;)
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Don't forget that George Knapp and Robert Bigelow were involved in the Skin Walker ranch case... It scared the crap out of them and they locked up the info. george is just now releasing that
A PORTAL to somewhere that is NOT nice... may not be Satanic, but it seems it is evil, by our standards
Personally, I believe due to the manipulative nature of these beings, and to the suspicion they can make people hallucinate, see things that are not actually real, the evil part of this may be just a way they use to get what they want.
I mean if I was the manipulated one, and the modus operandi is to cause fear on the subject to get the answers (or wathever they want), all they had to do is insert me in a bored to death reality where the world is full of Jim Oberg's shills clones and there is no one else to talk. :o
But they modus operandi is not always evil, sometimes they make you see nice things, remember Spielberg's Taken?
(http://www.cgw.com/images/Media/PublicationsArticle/116556.jpg)
Eddit to add that CIA's Ronald Pandolfi was caught on tape talking about portals and that they would use it soon. He pulled out the video from youtube but Grand Cameron has a copy of it.
Ronald (Ron) S. Pandolfi
(http://www.starpod.us/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/ron-pandolfi2.jpg)
At 15:17 you can see the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cOjOsVGPjE
How bizarre things this princess aliyah story is huh? ???
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Skeptics call UFO video a flight of fancy
Christopher King
9:13 PM, Dec 20, 2017
John Lear, a former airline and CIA pilot who has researched UFOs for decades, said the video is flight of fancy. "I say it's a fake," Lear said. When asked if he thinks the video is showing an unidentified flying object Lear responded “no, no, somebody penciled that in there."
Lear firmly believes aliens have been and still are visiting earth. He also believes this particular video has been doctored. "I know inside and out-all of the areas to know about UFOs," Lear said. "That's not a legitimate unidentified flying object."
https://www.ktnv.com/news/skeptics-call-ufo-video-a-flight-of-fancy
(https://scontent.flas1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25659382_924934887683055_4707971486641993412_n.jpg?oh=bfd35b49daeee69a4307908633f321fe&oe=5AC5030F)
Video of possible UFO sighting came from jet of former Lemoore naval pilot
http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article190484874.html
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Don't forget that George Knapp and Robert Bigelow were involved in the Skin Walker ranch case... It scared the crap out of them and they locked up the info. george is just now releasing that
A PORTAL to somewhere that is NOT nice... may not be Satanic, but it seems it is evil, by our standards
The events that Seentoomuch posted about at spookz go hand in hand with all the poop at the skin walker ranch, yet her experiences were long before Bigelow came along...
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A PORTAL to somewhere that is NOT nice... may not be Satanic, but it seems it is evil, by our standards
That reminds me of a game, Doom, in which they open a portal to some demonic universe and demons start entering this universe. That happens on Phobos, if I'm not mistaken. :)
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The UFO spotter
Navy pilots used Raytheon tech to track a strange UFO
(https://www.raytheon.com/news/rtnwcm/groups/sas/documents/image/rtn_475605.jpg)
Raytheon's Advanced Targeting Forward Look Infrared sensor, like the one used to track a possible UFO in a 2004 incident, is carried under the wing of this fighter jet.
Eighty nautical miles off San Diego, the U.S.S. Nimitz Battle Group was engaged in routine training. Then it became anything but routine.
Three F/A-18 Super Hornet fighter jets practicing dogfight maneuvers were interrupted and revectored mid-mission to investigate an Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon; military parlance for a UFO. They engaged the craft, but were quickly outmaneuvered and lost visual contact. It had simply vanished.
The pilots were clearly baffled by the object. “Look at that thing, dude,” said one in a video credited to the U.S. Department of Defense by the New York Times.
Fast forward 13 years to Dec. 16, when the New York Times published a report on the 2004 incident and a little-known Pentagon program that tracked such reports from 2007 until at least 2012. Included was the video of the incident, which was captured by a Raytheon Advanced Targeting Forward Look Infrared sensor, mounted under one of the fighter jets.
Called the Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program, the government program analyzed UAP imagery and data such as the images from the Raytheon-made ATFLIR.
“We might be the system that caught the first evidence of E.T. out there,” said Aaron Maestas, director of engineering and chief engineer for Surveillance and Targeting Systems at Raytheon's Space and Airborne Systems business. “But I’m not surprised we were able to see it. ATFLIR is designed to operate on targets that are traveling in excess of Mach 1. It’s a very agile optical system with a sensitive detector that can distinguish between the cold sky and the hot moving target quite easily.”
(https://www.raytheon.com/news/rtnwcm/groups/sas/documents/image/rtn_475606.jpg)
A U.S. Navy ATFLIR, designated AN/ASQ-228, mounted under a fighter jet.
ATFLIR, designated AN/ASQ-228 by the U.S. Navy, is a single pod that combines mid-wave infrared targeting and navigation FLIRs, an electro-optical, or visual light, sensor, a laser rangefinder and target designator, and a laser spot-tracker. It can locate and designate targets day or night at ranges exceeding 40 nautical miles and altitudes surpassing 50,000 feet.
Even so, the video images are not definitive proof that the jet pilots were chasing an actual UFO.
“To really be sure, we would need the raw data,” said Dr. Steve Cummings, vice president of Technology Development and Execution at Raytheon Space and Airborne Systems. “Visual displays alone are not the best evidence.”
So how best to track an alien spaceship in our skies?
“Wide-area search of some form or another," said Cummings. “I would want want at least two sensors, like radar and [electro-optical/infrared], to search the skies...One way to actually verify these and be absolutely certain that this is not an anomaly is to get the same target, behaving the same way on multiple sensors.”
Last Updated: 12/19/2017
https://www.raytheon.com/news/feature/uap_atflir.html#social-links
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That reminds me of a game, Doom, in which they open a portal to some demonic universe and demons start entering this universe. That happens on Phobos, if I'm not mistaken. :)
Yes something like that happened at Skinwalker Ranch :P
Okay i need to focus on some of these things and get them on the web page
Russo you have some free time to help collect stuff on this new development so we can do a proper thread that i can copy to the website? Its time I get caught up
In the meantime John is calling this video FAKE
John Lear
4 hrs ·
11:44 pacific Thursday December 21. I just talked to Christopher King the anchor/reporter who interviewed me last night. I asked him why the interview was cut short this morning at 4:30 am. He said it was a technical issue and did not elaborate. He said the story ran in is entirety on the 11pm news last night (about 4 hours after the interview. He sent me a link to the story:
Skeptics call UFO video a flight of fancy
Christopher King
9:13 PM, Dec 20, 2017
LAS VEGAS (KTNV) - It's like a scene straight out of science fiction. Two navy pilots in 2004 had a close encounter with an object they cannot identify. “Look at that thing," said one pilot. "It's rotating," said another.
The Pentagon, which released the video, admitted for the first time that for years it ran the $22-million Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, a top-secret group that investigated UFOs.
John Lear, a former airline and CIA pilot who has researched UFOs for decades, said the video is flight of fancy. "I say it's a fake," Lear said. When asked if he thinks the video is showing an unidentified flying object Lear responded “no, no, somebody penciled that in there."
Lear firmly believes aliens have been and still are visiting earth. He also believes this particular video has been doctored. "I know inside and out-all of the areas to know about UFOs," Lear said. "That's not a legitimate unidentified flying object."
Renowned astrophysicist Neil de Grasse Tyson said talk of flying objects, guided by aliens is mere pie in the sky. "Just because you don't know what it is you're looking at doesn't means it's intelligent aliens visiting from another planet," Tyson said. "Call me when you have a dinner invite from an alien."
https://www.ktnv.com/news/skeptics-call-ufo-video-a-flight-of-fancy
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Remember, I told you guys!
So you one of those "I told you so guys?" :P
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Yes something like that happened at Skinwalker Ranch :P
Okay i need to focus on some of these things and get them on the web page
Russo you have some free time to help collect stuff on this new development so we can do a proper thread that i can copy to the website? Its time I get caught up
In the meantime John is calling this video FAKE
Sure, if you can wait until saturday/sunday I will be glad to help :) Meanwhile if you want feel free to send me a PM with the directions and i will see what I can do :)
About John I will not express what I think about what he said in respect to you because I know he is a estimated friend of yours. I will say this tho, I strongly disagree with him.
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The “Unholy Thirteen” I mentioned previously is the group disclosed by General Arthur Exon as the actual group in charge of the UFO situation, created shortly after the Roswell crash.
From Kevin Randle's blog -
"Since it has come up recently on Facebook, I thought that I would revisit the “Unholy Thirteen,” as named by Brigadier General Arthur Exon about two decades ago. It was Exon who brought this up in my first interview with him, it was he who described the committee, and it was he who linked it specifically to UFOs.
...I learned that if I was going to write an article explaining something, I had better find an alternative mystery. Or, if I was going to expose MJ-12, I had better find another mysterious committee to replace it. Exon provided that for me with his discussion of the “Unholy Thirteen.”
According to Exon, he had run into this committee while assigned to the Pentagon in the mid-1950s. He said that he was not a part of it, but he did know who some of the members were. He linked it to Roswell, but in today’s world, given what we know about the history of UFOs, the creation of this committee might have preceded the Roswell crash. The information about the debris was sent up the chain of command, and this oversight committee, whoever they were, would have been about the last stop on the journey. Exon didn’t know their official name and called them the “Unholy Thirteen.”
Exon said that the information about Roswell would have gone to Brigadier General Roger Ramey in Fort Worth because he was the next level of command. It would have been passed farther up the chain of command to Strategic Command Headquarters (Kenny) which was in Washington, D.C., to the Chief of Staff of the Army for Air (Spaatz), the Chief of Staff of the Armies (Eisenhower), to the Secretary of War for Air (Stuart Symington), the Secretary of War (Patterson, I believe) and finally to the President (Truman, if I need to point that out). Remember, this would have been the first word of the discovery, and today it doesn’t matter what you believe fell at Roswell, this protocol would have been followed because in July 1947, these top people were worried about the identity of the flying saucers. They wanted to know what they were, who made them and if they were hostile… which is not the situation we find ourselves in today.
Exon also said, “I just know there was a top intelligence echelon represented (here I think he is referring to Colonel Howard McCoy who had been studying these things since the Foo Fighters of WW II and for more about McCoy see Government UFO Files: The Conspiracy of Cover-up which is a plug for my book but would provide the details of this for those who want it) and the President’s office was represented and the Secretary of Defense’s office [at the time, July 1947, Secretary of War] was represented and these people stayed on it in the key positions even though they might have moved out [Symington, for example, becoming a US senator].”
More at link:
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2014/08/mj-12-unholy-thirteen-and-roswell.html (http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2014/08/mj-12-unholy-thirteen-and-roswell.html)
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Why a picture from an Arizona UFO congress in 2015 raises suspicion? ???
What so smelly about it?
To answer that you would have to know what is going on with Corbell and the movie Immaculate Deception... and several other details
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Seems Harry Reid isn't the only one saying DEMONS now
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So you one of those "I told you so guys?" :P
Only to you 8)
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Skeptics call UFO video a flight of fancy
Christopher King
9:13 PM, Dec 20, 2017
John Lear, a former airline and CIA pilot who has researched UFOs for decades, said the video is flight of fancy. "I say it's a fake," Lear said. When asked if he thinks the video is showing an unidentified flying object Lear responded “no, no, somebody penciled that in there."
Not sure if you've heard what "they" have been saying about John Lear lately.
"The following story comes from the warped mind of John Lear who, at the age of 74, may be suffering from the final stages of dementia."
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10734.msg141133#msg141133
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To answer that you would have to know what is going on with Corbell and the movie Immaculate Deception... and several other details
(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/e1/e1d4cf268d205ff30a492a50e5e3b7cdb4f08be8694075bffeb1b7be50b8fc62.jpg)
Also, I've read about Skinwalker ranch but I'm not familiar with "the mess." Any details on what that implies?
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http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454860/new-york-times-ufo-story-i-want-believe
Yo, yo, yo, dudes..... This is the National Review. Too early to say if UFOs are making a comeback but I can hope.
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Seems Harry Reid isn't the only one saying DEMONS now
(https://scontent.flas1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25659645_2045242489043999_5707045242622640100_n.jpg?oh=0aa60343b1c716b42c42df106bccb25b&oe=5AB3E3F1)
Hayakawa is known for his (long time) beliefs on UFO phenomenon as demonic activity
In fact he is an activist on this idea. ::)
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http://www.blacklistednews.com/New_Gift-Wrapped_UFO_Revelations_From_The_Pentagon%3A_What%E2%80%99s_Going_On%3F/62340/0/38/38/Y/M.html
YES, YES, YES ! This guy nails it. He articulates it better than I could - a measure of Disclosure direct from the Pentagon, very deliberate. What's the reaction? No panic, no big deal. A nothingburger pretty much. Why?
Because people are into "overload". Too much information, too much shock, too much weirdness. He's got it !
Exactly !
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http://www.blacklistednews.com/New_Gift-Wrapped_UFO_Revelations_From_The_Pentagon%3A_What%E2%80%99s_Going_On%3F/62340/0/38/38/Y/M.html
YES, YES, YES ! This guy nails it. He articulates it better than I could - a measure of Disclosure direct from the Pentagon, very deliberate. What's the reaction? No panic, no big deal. A nothingburger pretty much. Why?
Why? Because most peeps think it is nothing but more bovine feces from the propaganda mill 8) Why get excited? I have had all the proof I needed for almost 40 years; you, on the other hand, evidently have not.
Because people are into "overload". Too much information, too much shock, too much weirdness. He's got it !
Exactly !
Bull poop. 8) The majority just really don't give a damn unless it directly impacts their slice of reality
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They don't know. They don't care. I need to stand back and let you make the argument for me.
The contrast in what we're seeing? This ain't the Brookings report scenario. Instead, it's 'OMG! Was has Trump said/where did I put my meds/ look at those cute kitten photos/Damn, another bill, they might foreclose/Oh, yeah, Aliens'
Distracted. Half stoned. Tired. Overwrought. America in 2017. A flying saucer could land in Times Square and the Pentagon could say, "We told you, weren't you paying attention?". Answer for most people: nope
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And this stuff is now on Fox news with Tucker Carlson -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cboOWFIsWLY
He has the right pilot as a guest, but they show the wrong video.
They have a 'tic tac' pilot on as a guest, but then show the 'gimbal' video, which for those that don't know, are two completely different incidents, different years, locations, pilots.
Nice job MSM, glad to see you are on the ball in reporting this. ???
You finally get what you've been waiting for, disclosure from official sources, and you can't even report THAT right. :-\
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https://youtu.be/veyLGo7bJKg
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Glenn Beck interview with Luis Elizondo - 21/12/17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmI6b18cmdU
Some excerpts
GB - Do we belive that there is live that is visiting us?
LE - The evidences at this póint are overwelming.
GB - Is the video the most compeling thing you have or there is more?
LE - There is significantly more, this 2 videos that are public domain are simply just a very, very small sample of the colective amount of information that we have over the years
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Update from Grant -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PRfLKXSr_k
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Stephen Bassett Moscow interview Excerpts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJlM68F65ok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAPyDs8egnQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM5La4XlLCo
Question: Is his hope for Putin to disclose about aliens based only in his dislike for Trump administration?
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YES, EXACTLY ! Thank you for posting this interview. It confirms what I've been intuitively grasping for some time.
1) The US is and has been standing in the way of Disclosure for decades. This is why the decline of the American Empire is so fascinating.
2) The whole Disclosure issue strongly suggests that the office of President as Commander in Chief has been compromised for decades. The Deep State DOES exist and it controls the UFO narrative. This is consistent with Richard Dolan's research about how upset Eisenhower was about his constitutional authority in relation to Area 51. Is Disclosure the critical element to understanding why and how our government is so screwed up and broken into polarized factions?
3) Did the Deep State or some faction within it throw the election to Trump? Maybe so - if they objected to Hillary becoming the Disclosure President.
4) Does a competition now exist for Disclosure? Trump? Putin? Xi? Who's gonna do it? Who wants to have his name in the history books as the Guy Who Changed The Course Of Human History? I lean towards Putin. Journalists are reported to use an Alien emoji when referring to him anyway. He is the lead figure in ending the western New World Order........and I wonder if he has 'guidance'......
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eix9mMrPPmE
The threat of an Alien false flag is out there. It didn't occur to me though that, done carefully, partial Disclosure tends to block that threat. It would be the same as the US trying to push war with Iran or NK and can't seem to get it going because everybody knows the BS that got them into Iraq.
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The Deep State DOES exist and it controls the UFO narrative.
A lot of the UFO narrative has been camouflage for Black projects and military activity. Much of the rest is part of the "New Age" experiment. What is left after that?
Do you think what is left is a cover up or is it more likely that although parts of the state know there are some real unidentified craft they really have no idea who it is?
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Isn't the usual situation with this stuff is compartmentalization? That way, unless a whole bunch of whistleblowers get together, nothing gets exposed that's credible. Just weird bits and pieces.
I don't understand the claim that this is just advanced secret aircraft. If the stuff was advanced enough to imitate UFO behavior at its most extreme, then what's the debate about? Turning corners at extreme speeds? Hovering and then disappearing?
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Isn't this a 'dog that didn't bark' situation? Tom and his whistleblower friends survive and gain public attention. Anybody dead yet? Or one of their relatives? Bank accounts frozen? Any cars that have their brakelines cut?
If these guys get by OK, they must have support at a high level, some agreement or forbearance on disclosure. Otherwise, they would end up like an ex-Clinton associate in short order.
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Yeah I dunno. Maybe that negative comment was in 2015? Unless dementia has set in, I do recall making a facebook post in response to his comment.
I know it seems there is an issue about Corbell that upsets some nice people here but, here we go...
New info about Bob Lazar:
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/54247d50e4b016149c77301f/t/5a692cf90852296681125c19/1516842268418/IMG_3667.JPG?format=750w)
Almost thirty years later, Bob Lazar is starting to get pissed. Here is a recent interview I did with Bob (for my upcoming film), where he expresses his frustration with how his story has been twisted and distorted, and how it's time to "pull things out by the roots". You think you know Bob Lazar? You don't. The upcoming film I'm making on him will give you insight into exactly WHO Bob Lazar is, and will go into detail on his experiences and what the truth is. It will be up to you to grapple with the information. 2018 will be the year of Bob Lazar... get ready.
Jeremy Corbell: The biggest roadblock to understanding, is the ability to dismiss someone because you don’t see them as human… as a person, so… what pisses you off?
Bob Lazar: I mean, disinformation and lies, and attacks that have no basis in reality. I mean, you can disagree with me and say, “Hey, I don’t believe that”. That’s fine. I haven’t presented you with enough information. And I understand that and I would probably be in your position. But don’t fabricate stuff. There’s some important information that needs to be released. And everybody needs to understand the truth to it, and not distorted versions of it. You really need to pay attention to what I’m saying. Because I have better things to do than come up with this. I’m not interested in doing this. I don’t like being in the public eye. I don’t get money for doing this. And quite frankly I could make up a better lie, but I have no motivation to lie. This hasn’t helped me out. It’s done something that… it’s information that I’m releasing, and that’s it.
Jeremy Corbell: It’s not an ordinary life.
Bob Lazar: That’s something I would like. I don’t like living in a James Bond movie; I like WATCHING James bond movies.
Jeremy Corbell: People have been trying to minimize who you are. People have been trying to trivialize who you are. People have been trying to twist your story based on absolutely absurd things. That’s gotta wear on people to a point. You gotta set certain things straight.
Bob Lazar: It’s time to pull things out by the roots. Just to get things reset, and get people familiar with the story and who I am… and this is what’s true. The divergence has increased, just over time. I’m trying to tell you exactly the way things were. I mean, what I was exposed to. You think there something more secret than that, that the flying saucers are a coverup for? Some of this stuff just sounds crazy to me. I understand, I’m biased because I’m behind my eyes and see everything… but this is, this is crazy shit.
You can hear the audios and read the full article here: http://www.extraordinarybeliefs.com/news-2/2017/12/24/bob-lazar-new-statements (http://www.extraordinarybeliefs.com/news-2/2017/12/24/bob-lazar-new-statements)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad1mda9uUf4
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A51
thanks.. i'm almost thru this vid.. and while you are posting for one reason i am listening for another
there was a section in there that answered a question i have had for awhile on the dna subject
it's at m 31 if anyone just wants that part
ever since ancestry was sold to a private group in 2012 and the dna kits have become so popular i have wondered..
who are they looking for
>side issue of info privacy from dna is another long thread issue
anyway
they are looking for alien contacts and the statement made that your dna has every
happening in your life on it from your birth and there is a marker for contact that is on there from birth
>sounds like the Akashic Records doesn't it
> another side issue of what we come here with and why, etc
anyway they do dna on experiencers and give them a number and present this number to two intuitives with 95% accuracy
and find out if you are physic and have these experiences..
it was mentioned that he thinks big alow was financing it
that study was from a Kit green at wayne state on brain scans
is another hour long tape
very interesting
and i think that tidbit was worth the whole of the vid
so now i have one answer and 50 more questions..lol
and a lot more researching on my end
and yes the lower case and splitting of words was purposeful
my saturday has taken off
bwhahahahahahah
edit to add
that doing a search on the brain scan guy one entry says
a former analyst at the CIA's Office of Scientific and Weapons Intelligence,
that was from a 2008 interview with him
you guys probably already knew that
but it gives me a creepy feeling to stop..sigh.. not that i'm going to
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The real work on this (DNA and brain scan related to contacts) is being done in private at the moment but is ongoing. I don't have permission to share details yet but you are along the right lines.
You might be interested a book by Jeremy Narby called The Cosmic Serpent: DNA and the origins of knowledge.
There is an illegally uploaded copy here but download it quick or it may be deleted. https://www.indybay.org/uploads/2011/04/17/cosmicserp.pdf
Here is an interview with Jeremy: https://www.maps.org/news-letters/v19n1/v19n1-pg30.pdf
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thanks Pim got it
nice to see ya.. don't be such a stranger
will read and i hope if i have more questions you will be coming back
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Ancestry dot Com is/was run by the Mormon Church...
Since they started this DNA collection people have been getting weird mix results that mostly don't make a lot of sense. I figure the results they send you are more along the lines of searching your family heraldry... they just make up a family crest for you. :P Knowing what I know about how heraldry and family crests really work, I can guarantee most of the 'tourist' ones are faked.
Well interesting news has surfaced about the DNA collection
Ancestry.com takes DNA ownership rights from customers and their relatives
A word to the wise: Read the complete terms of service.
Don’t use the AncestryDNA testing service without actually reading the Ancestry.com Terms of Service and Privacy Policy. According to these legal contracts, you still own your DNA, but so does Ancestry.com.
The family history website Ancestry.com is selling a new DNA testing service called AncestryDNA. But the DNA and genetic data that Ancestry.com collects may be used against “you or a genetic relative.” According to its privacy policies, Ancestry.com takes ownership of your DNA forever. Your ownership of your DNA, on the other hand, is limited in years.
It seems obvious that customers agree to this arrangement, since all of them must “click here to agree” to these terms. But, how many people really read those contacts before clicking to agree? And how many relatives of Ancestry.com customers are also reading?
There are three significant provisions in the AncestryDNA Privacy Policy and Terms of Service to consider on behalf of yourself and your genetic relatives: (1) the perpetual, royalty-free, world-wide license to use your DNA; (2) the warning that DNA information may be used against “you or a genetic relative”; (3) your waiver of legal rights.
1. Perpetual, royalty-free, worldwide license to use your DNA
AncestryDNA, a service of Ancestry.com, owns the “World’s Largest Consumer DNA Database” that contains the DNA of more than 3 million people. The AncestryDNA service promises to, “uncover your ethnic mix, discover distant relatives, and find new details about your unique family history with a simple DNA test.”
For the price of $99 dollars and a small saliva sample, AncestryDNA customers get an analysis of their genetic ethnicity and a list of potential relatives identified by genetic matching. Ancestry.com, on the other hand, gets free ownership of your genetic information forever. Technically, Ancestry.com will own your DNA even after you’re dead.
Specifically, by submitting DNA to AncestryDNA, you agree to “grant AncestryDNA and the Ancestry Group Companies a perpetual, royalty-free, world-wide, transferable license to use your DNA, and any DNA you submit for any person from whom you obtained legal authorization as described in this Agreement, and to use, host, sublicense and distribute the resulting analysis to the extent and in the form or context we deem appropriate on or through any media or medium and with any technology or devices now known or hereafter developed or discovered.”
Basically, Ancestry.com gets to use or distribute your DNA for any research or commercial purpose it decides and doesn’t have to pay you, or your heirs, a dime. Furthermore, Ancestry.com takes this royalty-free license in perpetuity (for all time) and can distribute the results of your DNA tests anywhere in the world and with any technology that exists, or will ever be invented. With this single contractual provision, customers are granting Ancestry.com the broadest possible rights to own and exploit their genetic information.
The AncestryDNA terms also requires customers to confirm that, “You understand that by providing any DNA to us, you acquire no rights in any research or commercial products that may be developed by AncestryDNA that may relate to or otherwise embody your DNA.” Essentially, you still own your DNA, but so does Ancestry.com. And, you can commercialize your own DNA for money, but Ancestry.com is also allowed to monetize your DNA for millions of dollars and doesn’t have to compensate you.
Although AncestryDNA customers provide voluntary consent to have their DNA used in commercial research projects, customers are free to withdraw consent, with a few exceptions. First, “data cannot be withdrawn from research already in progress or completed, or from published results and findings.” In those cases, Ancestry.com has access to data about you indefinitely.
Secondly, if a customer withdraws their consent, Ancestry.com will take 30 days to cease using their data for research. Finally, withdrawing consent, “will not result in destruction of your DNA Sample or deletion of your Data from AncestryDNA products and services, unless you direct us otherwise.” Customers must jump through additional hoops if they want their DNA sample destroyed or their data deleted from AncestryDNA products and services. The Ancestry.com policy does not specify what “additional steps” are required. U.S. customers must contact Ancestry.com customer service at 1–800–958–9124 to find out. (Customers outside the United States must call separate customer service numbers.)
2. Warning that DNA information may be used against “you or a genetic relative”
The Ancestry.com DNA testing service promises to analyze approximately 700,000 genetic markers. According to Ancestry.com, the service, “combines advanced DNA science with the world’s largest online family history resource to predict your genetic ethnicity and help you find new family connections.” The results of an AncestryDNA analysis include information about “ethnicity across 26 regions/ethnicities and identifies potential relatives through DNA matching to others who have taken the AncestryDNA test.”
AncestryDNA claims to use the “latest autosomal testing technology” to produce genetic identity reports and can combine the test results with “the world’s largest online family history resource to predict your genetic ethnicity and help you find new family connections.” In addition, AncestryDNA offers a genetic code profiling and matching service, advertising that “AncestryDNA can also help identify relationships with unknown relatives through a dynamic list of DNA matches.”
This raises a thorny issue that Ancestry.com has not resolved: your exact DNA profile is unique to you, but a substantial portion of your DNA is identical to your relatives. Thus, Ancestry.com is able to take DNA from its customers and also their relatives. Even if you’ve never used Ancestry.com, but one of your genetic relatives has, the company may already own identifiable portions of your DNA.
The personal “Genetic Data” collected by Ancestry.com includes “information derived from processing your DNA Sample through genomic, molecular, and computational analyses using various technologies, such as genotyping and whole or partial genome sequencing. Genetic Data is broader than just the results delivered to you when you use the AncestryDNA test and includes a range of DNA markers such as those associated with your health or other conditions.” In short, Ancestry.com holds genetic data that reveals your health and other conditions.
Genetic diseases are disorders caused by abnormalities in a person’s DNA and are divided into three categories: single-gene disorders, such as cystic fibrosis, sickle cell disease, and Huntington’s disease, result from the mutation of the protein of a single gene; chromosome abnormalities, such as Down Syndrome, are caused by disorders of the whole chromosome; and multifactorial disorders, including breast cancer and Alzheimer’s disease, develop from mutations in multiple genes, often coupled with environmental causes. Genomics play a role in nine out of the top ten leading causes of death in the U.S., including cancer, heart disease, stroke, chronic lower respiratory diseases, diabetes, Alzheimer’s, influenza and pneumonia, septicemia, and kidney disease.
Buried in the “Informed Consent” section, which is incorporated into the Terms of Service, Ancestry.com warns customers, “it is possible that information about you or a genetic relative could be revealed, such as that you or a relative are carriers of a particular disease. That information could be used by insurers to deny you insurance coverage, by law enforcement agencies to identify you or your relatives, and in some places, the data could be used by employers to deny employment.”
This is a massive red flag. The data “you or a genetic relative” give to AncestryDNA could be used against “you or a genetic relative” by employers, insurers, and law enforcement.
For example, a young woman named Theresa Morelli applied for individual disability insurance, consented to release of her medical records through the Medical Information Bureau (a credit reporting agency for medical history), and was approved for coverage. One month later, Morelli’s coverage was cancelled and premiums refunded when the insurer learned her father had Huntington’s disease, a genetic illness.
Startlingly, the Medical Information Bureau (MIB) used Morelli’s broad consent to query her father’s physician, a doctor with whom she had no prior patient relationship. More importantly, the applicant herself wasn’t diagnosed with Huntington’s carrier status, but she suffered exclusion on the basis of a genetic predisposition in her family.
Under a 1995 consent agreement with the Federal Trade Commission, the MIB and its members are required to comply with consumer protections of the Fair Credit Reporting Act. Much like financial credit reports, all consumers are entitled to a free annual copy of their “medical report” file from the Medical Information Bureau (MIB). If the consumer discovers an error in her MIB medical credit report file, she must mail a letter to the MIB to begin the dispute process.
Federal laws, including the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA) and the Genetic Information Non-Discrimination Act of 2008 (GINA), contain protections that prohibit health insurers from requiring, using, and analyzing genetic information in health care coverage decisions. However, both laws contain glaring exceptions that allow for genetic discrimination in certain industries. Notably, no federal laws regulate the use of genetic information, genetic testing, and genetic discrimination for life insurance companies, long-term care insurers, and employers.
An Ancestry.com DNA test is the impetus of a federal civil rights lawsuit filed by Sergeant Cleon Brown, a white police officer in Hastings, Michigan against his employer, the Hastings Police Department, and several city employees. Curious about his own family history, Brown purchased an AncestryDNA genetic test and analysis report.
The results surprised him — Ancestry.com said his DNA was 18 percent sub-Saharan African. Brown “proudly told his colleagues at the police department” about his African ancestry.
But not long after that, “his elation turned into misery.” According to Sergeant Brown’s complaint, his colleagues at the police department, “started whispering ‘Black Lives Matter’ while pumping their fists as they walked” past Brown.
The complaint also alleges that the former mayor of Hastings participated in the racist teasing, by telling Brown a joke containing racist slurs. “I just never thought it would be in Hastings, saying, like, racist comments to me,” Brown said to the New York Times. In his lawsuit, Brown, a military veteran who has worked in law enforcement for 20 years, is seeking $500,000 in damages.
The Ancestry.com Terms of Service also warns that genetic information in its possession can be used by state or federal law enforcement agencies “to identify you or your relatives.” With the rise of forensic evidence in criminal investigations, DNA is often considered incontrovertible evidence. To propel the use of DNA evidence in criminal investigations and prosecutions, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) operates the national Combined DNA Index System (CODIS) database.
The CODIS DNA database, created and maintained by the FBI, consists of the following three levels of information: local DNA Index Systems (LDIS) where DNA profiles originate; state DNA Index Systems (SDIS) which allows for laboratories within states to share information; and the National DNA Index System (NDIS) which allows states to compare DNA information with one another. According to reports, the FBI’s CODIS software connects disparate databases including, arrestees, missing persons, convicted offenders, and forensic samples collected from crime scenes.
All 50 states, the District of Columbia, federal law enforcement, the Army Laboratory, and Puerto Rico participate in national sharing of DNA profiles through the CODIS system. However, the FBI DNA database is not infallible. In 2015, the FBI said it discovered flawed data after it commissioned a study to retest DNA samples. In a bulletin sent to crime labs across the United States, the FBI surmised that DNA data errors were probably due to “clerical mistakes in transcriptions of the genotypes and to limitations of the old technology and software.” The FBI suspects that errors in DNA may go back as far as 1999.
3. Waiver of legal rights
Are “you or a genetic relative” a customer of AncestryDNA? If so, Ancestry.com now has control over the DNA of “you or a genetic relative.” Should the warnings from Ancestry.com come to pass, and DNA information about “you or a genetic relative” is used against “you or a genetic relative” by any employer, insurer, or law enforcement, then “you or a genetic relative” have very limited legal rights.
In its sales contract, Ancestry.com takes no responsibility. By consenting to the AncestryDNA Terms and Conditions, “you or a genetic relative” agree to hold the company harmless for any damages that AncestryDNA may cause unintentionally or purposefully. If “you or a genetic relative” are “dissatisfied with any portion of the Websites or the Services, or with any clause of these terms, as your sole and exclusive remedy you may discontinue using the Websites and the Services.” The only option for unhappy customers is to stop using AncestryDNA.
In the event you or your genetic information cause harm, you agree to “defend, indemnify and hold harmless AncestryDNA, its affiliates, officers, directors, employees and agents from and against any and all claims, damages, obligations, losses, liabilities, costs or expenses (including but not limited to attorney’s fees).” And customers beware, “you may be liable to others as well as to us if your account is used in violation of the terms and conditions of this Agreement.” That means you could end up owing money to Ancestry.com, its attorneys, and others.
The final indignity for Ancestry.com customers is that they must waive fundamental legal rights by agreeing to mandatory binding arbitration. With the exception of intellectual property rights disputes and certain small claims, Ancestry.com customers must pursue their disputes through arbitration, rather than court. In arbitration, the established legal rules of discovery, evidence, and trial by jury do not exist.
Finally, if many AncestryDNA customers want to join together to file a lawsuit against Ancestry.com, they are prohibited. But in fairness, Ancestry.com similarly prohibits itself from joining with a bunch of others to file a class action lawsuit against you. By agreeing to the Terms and Conditions, “you and AncestryDNA agree that each may bring claims against the other only in your or its individual capacity, and not as a plaintiff or class member in any purported class, consolidated, or representative action.”
These arbitration provisions survive even if you cancel your AncestryDNA account. However, for good measure, Ancestry.com notes that, “this arbitration agreement does not preclude you from bringing issues to the attention of federal, state, or local agencies. Such agencies can, if the law allows, seek relief against us on your behalf.”
4. Conclusion
To use the AncestryDNA service, customers must consent to the Ancestry.com Privacy Policy and Terms of Service. These are binding legal contracts between the customer and Ancestry.com. The most egregious of these terms gives Ancestry.com a free license to exploit your DNA for the rest of time.
Customers must understand that turning over their DNA means a loss of complete ownership and control. Ancestry.com customers should also know they’re giving up the genetic privacy of themselves and their relatives.
Before purchasing, individuals are advised to fully read and consider the Ancestry.com Terms of Service and Privacy Policy. If you become a customer, Ancestry.com owns your DNA for life and longer.
Editor’s Note: After the publication of this piece, Ancestry.com released a statement and made some changes to its Terms and Conditions. The organization has not responded to multiple requests for clarification from the author of this piece, and there are still remaining concerns about customers’ privacy.
https://thinkprogress.org/ancestry-com-takes-dna-ownership-rights-from-customers-and-their-relatives-dbafeed02b9e/
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Setting the Record Straight: Ancestry and Your DNA
[UPDATE] A quick update to this post. As I mentioned, we were working to clarify our Terms and Conditions language around the data rights – or license – you grant us when you take an AncestryDNA test. I’m happy to say that we have just posted the updates.]
Ancestry has released updated Terms and Conditions. These changes apply to all AncestryDNA customers, past and future. The changes that are most relevant to the discussion below can primarily be found in Section 3 The AncestryDNA Service. These changes provide additional clarity around the policies that we already follow in terms of data ownership and sharing. A few highlights of the specific changes are below, but I encourage you to take a look at the whole document yourself.
First, we very clearly state that AncestryDNA does not “claim ownership rights in the DNA that is submitted for testing.” You own your DNA; this sentence helps make it clear that nothing we do takes, or has ever taken, that ownership from you.
Second, we’re clear that because you are owner of your DNA, we need you to grant us a license to your data so that we can provide our products and services to you and our other users, as well as develop new products and services. You can revoke this right at any time by requesting we delete your data or your account.
Third, we explicitly state that we will not share your genetic data with employers, insurance providers or third party marketers without first getting your consent. We already follow this procedure, but this language makes our commitment to you explicit.
Like I said yesterday, there are a lot of questions to ask and discussions to be had about genetic testing. We hope these updates help address some of your most pressing concerns.
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For more than 20 years, Ancestry has been working every day to earn and keep our customers’ trust. We strongly value the role Ancestry plays in the personal discoveries you achieve through our services, and in the role we play in your efforts to document your family histories across generations. We also understand that when it comes to your DNA, the expectations you have of us to be careful and respectful stewards of your data are heightened. We try to be transparent about what happens with your data when you take an AncestryDNA test – in our Terms and Conditions, Privacy Policy, and our Support Center – and we’re always open to having a discussion if you have any questions.
We’ve recently received a number of questions that stem from an article describing what Ancestry can do with your genetic information that has significant inaccuracies and fundamental errors in it. When I read the article, it became immediately obvious why consumers would have concerns: The article is inflammatory and inaccurate, and contains wild scenarios of the “did you know [insert scary hypothetical]” variety. If you don’t read our terms, and don’t spend a lot of time with our products and services, you might find this article alarming. So, let me try set the record straight by sharing some of the basic principles that guide everything we do at Ancestry.
We believe your DNA data belongs to you and we strive to be true stewards of your data.
If you provide us a sample of your saliva, we’ll analyze it to tell you more about where you come from. The sample, and the resulting data, are yours. You have the ability to download it at any time. You can request that we delete your data and destroy your physical sample at any time and we will do so.
Because genetic information is potentially useful to help cure disease, extend life, and improve science, we ask if you want to take part in research that may be conducted by third parties. If you consent to this through our Informed Consent (approved by an Institutional Review Board), your data is cleansed of any personal identifiers before being aggregated with other’s data, and only then would it be made available to potential research partners. Our research partners are typically from academic settings, but they might include for-profit research companies that are doing things like trying to understand if there are genetic markers related to longevity. Again, if you don’t consent to participate, your genetic information is not included in the research.
We have not sold or provided your genetic data to insurers, employers, or third-party marketers. We protect our users within the law, and require valid legal process such as a warrant before providing any data to law enforcement.
We understand how sensitive your genetic information is, and we have committed to protecting your data, and that’s why we’ve never provided genetic data to insurers or employers. Additionally, with regard to requests from law enforcement, our policy has only been that we will only provide data if compelled to by a valid legal process. We also issue an annual transparency report detailing the volume of law enforcement requests we receive.
The article contains a claim suggesting that we’ve buried, deep in our “Terms of Service,” the ability to reveal highly sensitive health information about you or a relative, which could be used by insurance carriers, law enforcement, or employers. As noted above, this is completely false.
The language referred to is part of the Informed Consent to participate in third-party research and describes some of the unlikely risks of participating. Before you agree to participate, we believe it’s important that you are aware of even unlikely scenarios where aggregated, non-personalized data might somehow be re-identified, which is why we’ve tried to be transparent about such risks and our commitment to avoiding them.
We take a license to your genetic information to allow us to provide you with our products and services, as well as to develop and improve them.
We require you to grant us a license to your data when you take our test. The reason for this is simple: We need that license in order to move your data through our systems, render it around the globe, and to provide you with the results of our analysis work. Personally, I don’t like the legal language on this issue because it can be confusing and seem overly broad, but it’s what’s necessary for us to do the work we do for you. That’s why we also have language throughout the process of activating a test that clarifies and limits what we can and can’t do with your data. We are, of course, actively looking to improve this language to enhance transparency and reduce confusion, and I hope to have some improvements to the transparency of the terms available online soon.
In conclusion
There are a lot of legitimate questions to be asked and discussions to be had about consumer genomics. It’s still a new industry after all. But wildly inaccurate articles don’t do you, the consumer, any favors. Their misleading and fear-inducing content confuses and confounds users, and generally does not help raise the level of dialog about consumer genetics privacy. I don’t expect that this one blog post will clear up every concern, and we’re happy to answer your questions, and hope that everything we have done over the last several decades has helped us earn your trust.
At Ancestry, we are all committed to continuing to earn that trust every single day.
Eric Heath
Chief Privacy Officer, Ancestry
https://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2017/05/21/setting-the-record-straight-ancestry-and-your-dna/
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In any case... you have submitted your DNA to an database so now your DNA is on public record
I find it amusing how many people are paranoid about their private information yet openly post it on facebook and twitter and give away their DNA willingly
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I know it seems there is an issue about Corbell that upsets some nice people here but, here we go...
Corbell is in cahoots with George Knapp... after they both showed up at John's 75th birthday there is no longer any doubt...
Thankfully we got his 'hooks' out of John's accounts. He had both John's email and facebook passwords and had shut it down so John could not get access to his own account on FB and was removing emails from John's account. He was also evesdropping on John's office via Skype. We first noticed it when he suddenly spoke to John while Sgt and I were visiting... freaked us out as skype wasn't on
At the time John was under oxycodon and not thinking very clearly Since then he has detoxed and is using Kratom and the old witty sharp John Lear is back I will be posting his new stuff shortly It's taking a while to transfer to the website...
Bob Lazar popped in via Skype at the party to say happy birthday Gene Huff was there. I also ran into Ron Blackburn again and this time we got to talk :D He gave me his business card and he lives in Henderson so I will be following up on that this week.
I don't know what Corbell is up to yet... but he has a copy of ALL of John's material... so we shall have to wait and see
Also the Domain that was created for John The Real John Lear (http://therealjohnlear.com/TheRealJohnLear.com/HOME.html)
is now owned by Corbell (just do a whois search) We don't know when he got control of it but likely talked John into it at some point. I have told Marilee that only her or John can fix that by writing to the registrar
Other than that I can do nothing.
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The threat of an Alien false flag is out there. It didn't occur to me though that, done carefully, partial Disclosure tends to block that threat. It would be the same as the US trying to push war with Iran or NK and can't seem to get it going because everybody knows the BS that got them into Iraq.
In my opinion Carol Rosin is a FRAUD just like Steven Greer and Sgt Karl Wolf
Whe the Disclosure project first came out, we thought: "WOW finally... these guys will testify before congress KEWL Progress!"
Well all these years later and still nothing. And Greer is getting RICH off the believers
First: WHY would congress listen anyway IF they are the ones keeping the secrets?
Second: Sgt Karl Wolf claims he was at Langley as a photo copier repair man in min 1965 for TWO WEEKS where he saw doctored images showing bases on the moon from LUNAR ORBITER. Well the photos they use on his testimony videos are pictures from Clementine in 1994 and the first LUNAR ORBITER didn't launch until Nov 1966
Third: Carol Rosin claims that thanks to her work there are NO SPACE WEAPONS. When I pointed out to her on facebook that yes there are and proved it with NASA photos and linked to the DEW website at Kirtland AFB where they post public domain info on these weapons she got mad, deleted the posts and blocked me. Also I can find no proof she was ever with von Bruan as she claims
Fourth: Re Government coverup. (see next post)
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Government Coverup and Disclosure
During the last presidential election... Grant Cameron was really pushing hard that we should vote for Hillary because she would be the one to reveal UFO truth... His main reason was that Podesta who was working on her campaign was pushing the UFO disclosure agenda
Well many people posted on his FB page that no way will that happen and that the evil lying witch doesn't know anything anyway. (which is true) Now she did make a joking comment about it on CNN but it was jokingly.
Her Hubby Bill promised the same but it wasn;t till his second term that he addressed it by sending an aide to Area 51, who was told "Nothing here but secret airplanes... move along" Bill says this in an interview on YT
Obama was in Vegas and wanted to visit Area 51 but was denied access
Jimmy Carter wanted to know but was told by Bush Senior (then head of the CIA and in charge of 'reading in' a president) "... a presidents curiosity is not a high enough need to know" Carter tried to fire Bush. This is all documented on Gran'ts website "Presidential UFO's"
Well then the whole pedophilia thing surrounding Podesta and the others broke wide open thanks to Wikileaks and there goes the UFO release and Hillary's bid to be president (whew we got lucky :P )
Grant went silent for a while, and unfriended me because I and others said "We told you so"
But consider this. Podesta was top insider in the White House for YEARS and he still did not get in the loop regarding UFO's. If HE couldn't find answers on the inside, what make anyone think we will get answers?
The Pentagon "UFO Release"\
A Red Herring... nothing more...
We already knew they had programs so where is the news? The FBI has had UFO files online since before 2000
https://vault.fbi.gov/UFO
The NSA since 2000
https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/ufo/
The CIA just posted HUNDREDS of PDF files
UFOs: Fact or Fiction?
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/collection/ufos-fact-or-fiction
Take a Peek Into Our “X-Files”
https://www.cia.gov/news-information/blog/2016/take-a-peek-into-our-x-files.html
Trying to Photograph a UFO?
https://www.cia.gov/news-information/blog/2017/trying-to-photograph-a-ufo-1.html
The British MoD released their UFO files beginning in 2003.They were free originaly I have a copy of them all
Newly released UFO files from the UK government
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ufos/
But here is the CATCH
The British MoD CLOSED their UFO program, putting Nick Pope out of work (he is more skeptic than believer anyway) The POINT is they figured it wasn't worth the time and money and no proven threat
The Pentagon ALSO said they shut it down after that "press release" as it was to expensive and not worth the time. Seems like they don't consider it a threat either
So Harry Reid, connected to George Knap and Robert Bigelow needed a job... They make him the "UFO guy" to give him busy work. It also accounts for millions sent to Bigelow Aerosapce Robert has not commented on any of this I believe Robert is the only one of the lot that is serious about this and I think he is caught up in their scheme
Harry Reid proved his "worth" when he got John Lear's mine shut down and his involvement in the Bundy Ranch land grab (Both the Bunndy ranch and John's old mine are on the same road at Gold Butte) Harry was seen on Fox news calling the Bundy's "urban terrorists" for defending their rights. Even the Fox news guy was shocked but Harry repeated it with a nasty scowl.
Well John lost the mine to the BLM bulldozers but Bundy WON and Harry LOST because his deal for a solar plant with the Chinese fell through because the Chinese saw too much contraversy
As for Bigelow and that big house on Eastern Ave John has a copy of a business licence he will release soon... Its going to make a lot of Jaws drop. I saw it already The name of the company and who is on that list Stay tuned
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Good to hear John is doing better. :)
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well i am not really interested in the bs of the gov and disclosure.. if you haven't figured it out by now..go have a beer :P
my interest peaked with the quote on that tape about
the dna having markers FROM BIRTH about everything in your life
but mostly about your contact with aliens and more specifically if you were psychic and had contact...
the kit guy was big time into remote viewing but lost interest after he decided it coulln't be taugh.. and was more of a spontaneous thing with folks who were - for lack of a better word - psychic
so now he is into doing brain scans and dna stuff..
to me it looks very much like he is looking to find a way to catalog folks who are psychic and have the dna markers for contact..and then line that up with brain scans to come at the info from that direction
so i ask.. what are they going to do when they find an easy way to id these folks???????????????????????????
with all the info they gather on kids from birth
i.e blood samples etc.
if the marker IS there from birth (big question) how are they going to grab hold of those kids?
it is scary fascinating imo
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Here is one for you, Russo: George Knapp, Corbell, and Tom DeLonghe all together like peas in a pod...
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/normal_At-the-UFO-Congress-2015_photo_medium.jpg)
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Here is my Problem with "Government Coverup"
I first got into the whole UFO thing when I saw a debate on the Pierre berton Show in Toronto. It was Erik von Danekin talking about his new book Chariot of the Gods. This book launched the whole Ancient Alien deal despite that few people believed Erik
Well at that debate he was up against an "eminent" female archaeologist. So Erik told his story, always said "This is what i believe, you have to come to your own conclusion" and kept calm... The archaeologist attacked him but had no answeres to explain the artifacts so turned to personal attacks against his schooling and character. In the end Pierre said "I don't believe your hypothesis but you kept your cool and I declare you winner of this debate"
Since then all my research has shown me that 80%ish of UFO sightings (after removing the 95% that are fake, hoaxes, mis-identifications, etc) 805 of what is left are PLASMA CRITTERS (first named in 1954 by Trevor Constable and Wilhelm Reich) that are native to Earth's atmosphere and LEO (Low Earth orbit) They are the 'orbs', the glowing objects. They are seen near power lines, thunder storms and even nuke sites :P They give off strong EMP strong enough to trigger the old electronics at a nuke base and trigger a cascade shutdown.
15%ish are our black ops and the triangle are a Hu-mon innovation and 5% are the true visitors like those in the 50's
I don't believe, nor have I seen ANY solid evidence to show that they are here in hordes like the UFO believers and experiences seem to think. People tend to forget that we are a RIM world, far from the main stream planets in the galaxy. In fact we are 50 light years ABOVE the galactic plane and moving away
We only had radio for the last 100 years or so and only the last 60 years was that signal strong enough to be heard outside the solar system
In a 60 light year radius around the sun there are few planets, but any that are out there in that range are just now watching us fight Hitler in WWII The rest of the Universe still sees DINOSAURS on earth :P
We are just not important enough to be getting hordes like people believe
Now let's look at "Government Cover Up"
There are 193 countries around the world today. IF the claim is that ALL these government in all these countries are 'in on the plot" do you realize how many people that involves? Now extrapolate that over 60 years since Roswell...
So what one has to believe is that all these government are smart enough and have the ability to keep this secret AND ALL HAVE AGREED TO DO THIS...
Yet when our last election came our top leaders were hit by thousands of Wikileak releases showing their dirt laundry and exposing their corruption... Yet I am supposed to believe that these same officials have the smarts and ability to keep Aliens secret?
In all those files they have release all UFO reports to be sure BUT UFO does NOT mean Alien Spaceship
So please explain to me how so many aliens know we even exits and how these morons running the world today can manage to keep this ONE secret when everything else they do is all over the news?
There will be no disclosure John has said this since the beginning and I agree. All my years of seeking has shown me that more and more 'whistle blowers' are in it for the money and don't really know any more that we do. A few, like Bob Lazar and Bill Uhouse stuck to their story, but most of the rest, upon close scrutiny, really don't have any answers.
Disclosing that we had monitoring programs for UFO's (military calls them UAP's now :P ) is easy to do because only in the minds of the UFO believers does that term mean "Alien Spaceship" Yet MUFON records a garbage back balloon over London as a UFO (when this garbage bag was actually from Albuquerque) Robert Bigelowe paid MUFON 1 million I wish he would send us a few buck for REAL research :P
There WILL BE NO DISCLOSURE All we will get is bread crumbs to keep us occupied
BTW UFO's are a CIA PSIOPS PLOT :P I have documents from the DTIC (Defense Techical Information Center Dot Mil) on that program :D
Pegasus was formed to try to gather a serious group of researchers to look into this... Over the years many have jumped on board, but in the end EGO's won the day and it all falls apart, and people leave in a huff.
I am back, will try again, but seems like we are no closer to touching a real alien saucer or interviewing a real alien, despite the believe that there are thousands of both roaming the planet every day
Do I sound cynical? Perhaps... after 45 years of this with nothing to show for it I get to be a tad cynical :P
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well i am not really interested in the bs of the gov and disclosure.. if you haven't figured it out by now..go have a beer :P
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/30/6b/b6/306bb6aa3f7e3bf59df1d41892ab22e3.jpg)
Maybe Pimander can send me a case :P
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0k, just a theory, with billions of dollars just laying around for a black budget, I can't imagine that even if an insider got ousted as a pedophile or anything else, he/she wouldn't last 10 seconds in prison after spilling the beans on fake aliens and trillions of wasted dollars. A fence does one of 2 things. It either keeps something in or something out, and occasionally both. The general population doesn't want to know what's behind the fence and the people bilking the government don't want you to know what's inside. And the ones like us that are even interested seem to get the wall of silence. 0r the usual- "I can't tell you who told me, but....." Seems to be a stalemate.
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There are many interesting tidbits of information to be gleaned if one is persistent and systematic; Zorgon has tons of this type of info on the living moon and quite a bit here on the forum, documents that point to where some of those trillions have went to...
use the search tab on the forum and type in 'clarke station'; (but be careful, for entering more the 3 words in a search will overload the data base)
it isn't a stalemate yet...
seeker
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Will do. Thank you Seeker.
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edit to say
oh crap.. i just now saw the whole picture of ferret..wonder why i only saw a part of it before...tossing comment on ferret..sorry :-[
well i have had sightings and i have had stuff happen that i have yet to figured out wtf it was and i have gotten info out of the ethers and a whole bunch of other stuff..
but just recently (last fall exactly) i have come to a theory that what we are chasing isn't from OFF this planet.. but either on or closely connected to it...
i say closely cause i don't know how dimensions really work
and i think the experiences that i have had are more dimensional than anything
and the govs aren't going to disclose anything because they don't know anything to disclose..
i think all these things are attempts to figure it out
and especially the brain scans on psychics..
i don't think they are looking for aliens as they are portrayed
but for what that small percent that Z has mentioned is
and hoping that if THEY find it they can use it somehow..
we searchers probably know more than we think.. we just haven't put it all together yet..but i think we are very close..
and here is my usual Pollyanna speech..
when we get that ah-ah moment it is going to click for all of us
at once just what our experience was and why it was..
this dna thing jumped out at me because to me it is confirmation that they are still looking and desperate because what has come before has just been a bluff and a tease for us to keeping hunting
with them hoping they can hijack it before WE disclose
that's my take and i'm sticking to it....for now ;D
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And the ones like us that are even interested seem to get the wall of silence. 0r the usual- "I can't tell you who told me, but....." Seems to be a stalemate.
Not QUITE...
First, I find a lot of the UFOlogists using that same spiel "I have the proof!! (implants, piece of metal, alien DNA results, etc) but I can't release it yet. In the meantime buy my book for more details" Very frustrating really, UFOlogists are worse than the government. We EXPECT the government is covering up, but we also expect the UFOlogists to relase that truth ASAP (if they actually have it)
Second, the true insiders.. while they cannot tell you things directly, they can give you hints, keywords and point you in the right direction and if your smart enough you can follow the trail. If a trail is BOGUS you will see the item cloned on endless websites. If it is real, you will start getting so many linked pieces that you literally get swamped with info...
Example: A guy on ATS in my Naval Space Command thread called himself "ThereOnceWasAMan" he made ONE post it said "You may be interested in THIS http://moneymaker.com/family/blueangl.htm (https://web.archive.org/web/20020718182421/http://moneymaker.com/family/blueangl.htm)"
Now at the time a mod at ATS flagged it as spam... and blocked it. Fortunately I was online at the time and saw it I replied "Thanks a lot" for which Skeptic Overlord flagged me for a one liner post (even though ATS still uses this thread to advertise ATS on Twitter as one of their best threads :P)
I asked Springer "WHY are you censoring my thread?" He said he wasn't that he would love to see me prove this. I said did you SEE the link? Well he was astounded but as far as I know the block spam tag is still on that post
"Moneymaker" is Rear Admiral Patrick D. Moneymaker, then Commander of the non existent Naval Space Command :P He is a Blue Angel Top Gun Naval pilot out of Falon Nevada... and the PROOF I needed that the Naval Space Command did indeed exist
As for ThereOnceWasAMan..... an old limerick "There Once Was A Man From Nantucket..."
(https://www.popularpatch.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/0/e/0e7ff6ec8d15952ffb18e2686ed9c25d.jpg)
In a more recent case... I got THIS email 'out of the blue'
Webmaster,
I am a military member of the Air Force Space Command community at Vandenberg AFB, CA. I found your webpage interesting, but grossly out of date. Onizuka AFS shut down more than 7 years ago and the 21SOPS has been here at Vandenberg about that long. I can provide unclassified updates of units located here if needed. Let me know.
The Navy has a Corp of Space Engineers, code 8200 I have seen papers showing they have an UNLIMITED budget (posted those back on ATS and might be here in the Naval Space Command section :P
Warning: DOT MIL ahead
Naval Center for Space Technology - Code 8000 (https://www.nrl.navy.mil/research/directorates-divisions/space-technology/)
So I have all kinds of secrets and contacts galore... but still not ONE real Alien or Flying Saucer... Steath ships yes... space planes yes... but no Aliens :P
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that's my take and i'm sticking to it....for now ;D
I don't doubt you I know many who have had experience. Still trying to determine the source :D
More and more I am leaning towards inter dimensional occurences but I am still working on that
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well until the last thing happening i thought aliens and dimensions were two separate things..maybe crossing over each other now and then
but after this last thing (and sorry it's way to long to type out and i'm not sure i could even put it into something understandable)
anyway after the last happening i am really thinking it's all one thing and dimensional..
>are there solid things flying around in the sky..ah yeah..but where do they go?
>is the gov looking real hard..oh yeah and misleading at every turn
>is the time line part of this..big time
> does our junk dna have the answers to what and who we are and explain things...
are we on a stage as many have thought?
yeah i think the dna has answers but i don't have access to what they are truly finding or if they even understand what they are finding (HEY PIM PLEASE COME BACK)
do i really have any answers...sorry no..only my conjecture
SIGH
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I'm on the inter-dimensional side of the argument. It explains a number of things.
~ Why UFOs pop in and out of existence. They're simply moving to a parallel dimension.
~ Why people experience missing time. These things stop it for however long they want.
~ Why, at the Gorman Ranch in Utah, signs of activity underground were heard, but nothing seen.
The Gormans were advised by the previous owner not to dig on the property. They did anyway and found nothing. In my view, there was underground activity in a parallel dimension that was audible in ours.
I think these things have complete invisibility in our dimension, or they want to operate that way. It explains why the main house could be locked down tight and weird and frightening things still happened inside the house.
We're surrounded. We just don't see the enemy.
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I'm on the side of interdemensional. The one and only thing I can't make sense of how is the part where they claim to float through walls. Why not open the portal in the room and leave from there? Why go through the wall unless they are trying to show us they control time, space and matter? And are they trying to tell us that we can too?
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I'm on the side of interdemensional. The one and only thing I can't make sense of how is the part where they claim to float through walls. Why not open the portal in the room and leave from there? Why go through the wall unless they are trying to show us they control time, space and matter? And are they trying to tell us that we can too?
This isn't about what we want or think should happen. We don't run this place, they do.
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well while i do think it is dimensional i have to disagree with you guys on motive
Irene i have read your stories about things going on with you and i see why you say that
but i respectfully disagree that they are the enemy or that they are in control.
maybe more knowledgable and experienced
but i don't feel menace with my experiences
they may be as confused at their coming in and out of our space as we are with their doing it ....or not.....
i do strongly feel and have stated often that we have a lot of power if we would only work at using it..i know this to be true
i also feel we have chosen this route to learn how to use our power
No_Signal..how do you know what they claim?..is there more you should be telling us about that?
seems we have drifted from the original thread..my fault big time. sorry
.maybe we need another thread to work on this
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Hey Otter,
My contacts have been extremely negative, which is why I feel they are the enemy and not at all benevolent.
During my most recent contact I did something I do not remember doing. I have a dreamcatcher hanging over my headboard. I woke to find I'd ripped it off the wall and thrown it across the room.
When I say ripped, I mean the drywall was destroyed by the nail that the dreamcatcher had been hanging on.
Many of my contacts are violent. You'll never convince me these things are harmless.
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So are we combining the theory that this world is a video game simulation with the idea somehow the creators are sending in The Adjustment Bureau to keep things in order? 0r is earth more of a community fish tank with living beings that need to be harvested for inspection to check progress? My research indicates a little of both. We bleed, we have genuine stress and sometimes I wonder if we are the ai some other civilization feared would take over their planet. Humans create humans and repair them. Maybe our "humans" are going to be made of metal?
Disclaimer- Maybe I watch too many movies.
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Irene i know your experiences have been extremely negative that is why i said that i do not discount them in any way but respectfully disagree as mine are not
Disclaimer- Maybe I watch too many movies.
lol yeah maybe..what you said about the movies
i have spend a lot of time in the past thinking that aliens and ufos and things that were different and/or labeled as paranormal and dimensions were all individual things of interests
right now i am thinking that they are just different parts of the same thing and i am trying to work thru that context and re examine my experienes as to how they fit
and as i said i feel it is to push us into our own power
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Universities and governments constantly pull specimens from local fisheries and wildlife preserves to check spawning frequency, diseases, and other aspects. It would make sense they inspect us. This is based on the Sumerian story of breeding humans to harvest gold. I know this is strange and please don't ban me, I mean no disrespect, but isnt it odd to say the least, that most of the games in the app store are about harvesting something. We use something to do our harvesting. And my general sense is that whomever is doing the inspecting is not sending the top guys. Even on earth we send unpaid interns to collect data or do routine fieldwork scientist don't want to do, so in my extremely humble opinion I feel like the abductors are probably not at the top of the chain and have no reason to do what they do with any amount of care as to the well being of the abductee.
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Cont. If we agree on that then maybe we can agree that there are good and bad interns. So Irene may have abductors that she feels to be malevolent and just have a job to do, as where space otter has seen some that want to help us advance and maybe even enlighten us as to our actual state of being.
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Irene i know your experiences have been extremely negative that is why i said that i do not discount them in any way but respectfully disagree as mine are not
lol yeah maybe..what you said about the movies
i have spend a lot of time in the past thinking that aliens and ufos and things that were different and/or labeled as paranormal and dimensions were all individual things of interests
right now i am thinking that they are just different parts of the same thing and i am trying to work thru that context and re examine my experienes as to how they fit
and as i said i feel it is to push us into our own power
I know. No worries. :)
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as where space otter has seen some that want to help us advance and maybe even enlighten us as to our actual state of being.
no signal
you are making an assumption here about me and my experiences.. please don't
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now i am thinking that they are just different parts of the same thing and i am trying to work thru that context and re examine my experienes as to how they fit
and as i said i feel it is to push us into our own power
Space Otter.
I was agreeing with what you said. I was pondering the system as to which 2 people would have different experiences.
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Hey Otter,
My contacts have been extremely negative, which is why I feel they are the enemy and not at all benevolent.
My experience has led me to believe that it is not appropriate to generalise about all extraterrestrials, one way or the other. The Greys are usually negative, yes; but some of the beings who self-identify as Pleiadian are decent, albeit nymphomaniacal and politically subversive.
With that said, I have largely closed the door on the extraterrestrial issue at this point. If I'm taking mushrooms, and a few of the nicer ones decide they want to (mentally) show up for a chat, then that is fine; but I am not actively seeking contact. I want as little as possible to do with the Aquarian Age in general terms, now; and ET is a defining part of that.
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some of the beings who self-identify as Pleiadian are decent, albeit nymphomaniacal and politically subversive.
Nymphomaniacal? Well why didn't they say?
Welcome to Earth Pleiadian Nymphs. 8)
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If I'm taking mushrooms, and a few of the nicer ones decide they want to (mentally) show up for a chat, then that is fine; but I am not actively seeking contact. .
Petrus, if you are eating 'shrooms, you might be having a chat with me and think I am from Andromeda...
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Petrus, if you are eating 'shrooms, you might be having a chat with me and think I am from Andromeda...
If Psilocybin opens up a higher faculty allowing us to interact with "other-dimensional" beings then he might be right and you are from Andromeda. :)
If a certain genetic marker shows up in humans who have contact experiences and that marker is linked to people who naturally have that faculty without the Psilocybin, would that not be significant? ;)
Think of the brain like an antenna.
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If Psilocybin opens up a higher faculty allowing us to interact with "other-dimensional" beings then he might be right and you are from Andromeda. :)
Damn, Pi, don't tell everyone 8)
If a certain genetic marker shows up in humans who have contact experiences and that marker is linked to people who naturally have that faculty without the Psilocybin, would that not be significant? ;)
Think of the brain like an antenna.
Yes, that would indeed be very significant; are there any other physical trait markers such as blood type, etc, that can be linked also?
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now i am thinking that they are just different parts of the same thing and i am trying to work thru that context and re examine my experienes as to how they fit
and as i said i feel it is to push us into our own power
Space Otter.
I was agreeing with what you said. I was pondering the system as to which 2 people would have different experiences.
ah another turn here...
there are as many different experiences as there are folks so while you may fine similarities none are alike
and while you think you were agreeing with me you were changing what i had said..thus my comment
let me share with you a nice sign i keep just for this type of thing
I know that you believe you understand what you think I said,
but I'm not sure you realize ~ that what you heard is not what i meant!
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My experience has led me to believe that it is not appropriate to generalise about all extraterrestrials, one way or the other. The Greys are usually negative, yes; but some of the beings who self-identify as Pleiadian are decent, albeit nymphomaniacal and politically subversive.
With that said, I have largely closed the door on the extraterrestrial issue at this point. If I'm taking mushrooms, and a few of the nicer ones decide they want to (mentally) show up for a chat, then that is fine; but I am not actively seeking contact. I want as little as possible to do with the Aquarian Age in general terms, now; and ET is a defining part of that.
I generalize because every encounter I have is negative and, usually, violent.
If everyone else's experiences are all positive and pleasant, great.
To reiterate, I think they're interdimensional, not from "outer space".
Omar Khayyam had the same thought ~
I sent my soul through the invisible,
some letter of that afterlife to spell;
and by and by my soul returned to me,
and answered, 'I, myself, am Heav'n and Hell.'
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I'm sorry to hear that Irene. Most of my research has lead to them being negative. I still think they are interdemensional and I agree we are not in control. I have had sleep paralysis my entire life. I have never seen anything, but every encounter screams there is something in the room and it doesn't exactly want to be friends. When I wake up I always have the feeling something evil was there.
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I'm sorry to hear that Irene. Most of my research has lead to them being negative. I still think they are interdemensional and I agree we are not in control. I have had sleep paralysis my entire life. I have never seen anything, but every encounter screams there is something in the room and it doesn't exactly want to be friends. When I wake up I always have the feeling something evil was there.
Worked for the government. Moved 15 times in 30 years. I'm a lifelong CE5 contactee.
In every one of my bedrooms, cracks appeared in the ceiling following the line of the wall and drywall tape separated from the sheetrock, both on my side of the bed.
When I am returned to my home I am always dropped on my bed, as if off a cliff, and the sensation not only brings me fully awake, but terrifies me. I make coffee and turn on "Coast to Coast". There's no sleeping after that.
Yeah, these are nice "people" I'm dealing with. ::)
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I'm not saying I've ever been abducted, just sleep paralysis. I've studied as much as I can and I've actively avoided being hypnotized. If I was taken at any point, they did a good job on the amnesia and whatever happened I don't remember and I have zero interest in knowing. Most of my life I have explained the sleep paralysis as just a bad dream and honestly I'm ok with that.
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I'm not saying I've ever been abducted, just sleep paralysis. I've studied as much as I can and I've actively avoided being hypnotized. If I was taken at any point, they did a good job on the amnesia and whatever happened I don't remember and I have zero interest in knowing. Most of my life I have explained the sleep paralysis as just a bad dream and honestly I'm ok with that.
I don't know where I go. I just know that I'm always dropped, probably from the ceiling, on my bed.
I don't think I'd like paralysis either.
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From Tammi Bellew:
HUGE NEWS REGARDING TOM DELONGE AND TO THE STARS!
This evening, I received a note from a very good friend of Spaced Out Radio. Everett Themer sent out a Tweet to Mr. Delonge that read:
@tomdelonge, as I do my due diligence, I am confused as to why To The Stars Academy has to repay loans to Our Two Dogs. Can you explain? #SpacedOutRadio
Everett has since sent me this:
"Just thought you might be curious, I got a call from a securities analyst from a large bank. Apparently when people ask Delonge about the ties between TTSA and Our Two Dogs they are blocked and wiped from all of TTSA and Delonge's social media accounts and groups. I guess it has happened to 3 or 4 people in the last couple weeks."
Now they haven't blocked Everett's account as of yet. Everett is not a financial backer of TTSA.
So people who are questioning Delonge and To The Stars financial intentions are being blocked. This sounds quite threatening for an Independent UFO Data Collection site!
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Latest video from To the Stars Academy : GO FAST
"GO FAST is the third of three official USG videos selected for release after official review by multiple government organizations. While To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science was the first to obtain a copy, it should be available to any member of the press or public via the Freedom of Information Act. This footage was captured by a U.S. Navy F/A-18 Super Hornet using the Raytheon ATFLIR Pod that was being operated by a highly trained aerial observer and weapons system operator whom the government has spent millions of dollars to train. Go Fast reveals a Navy encounter that occurred off the East Coast of the United States in 2015 and the object in view remains unidentified. Read further analysis of what is being observed in Go Fast by our team of experts including additional videos and reports on our community of interest: coi.tothestarsacademy.com."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxVRg7LLaQA
Any thoughts on the actual content being presented? Seems like people who make money in Ufoolgy are getting riled up recently and attacking Tom and his team and may be taking their eye off of the ball.
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Latest video from To the Stars Academy : GO FAST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxVRg7LLaQA
Any thoughts on the actual content being presented?
It's ball 3 in the first series of softball floaters they have thrown so far.
Still waiting to see if they up the ante.
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What I am waiting for them to release is something more along the lines of what we see starting at 3:15 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a5hciUDTcI