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Title: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: A51Watcher on September 05, 2017, 12:50:18 pm
Forest fires continue to rage out here.

Air quality is so bad it looks like cloudy overcast every day for the last week it looks like cloudy overcast but it's smoke instead.

Daytime when the sun manages to peek through it is orange. At night when the moon manages to peek through it is orange also.

The fire is now within 20 miles of the city (Portland) and our main freeway east is closed in both directions.

This morning when I went to get in my car, the entire outside of it looked like an ashtray. In fact the entire city does.


     
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: fansongecho on September 05, 2017, 12:55:37 pm
Hi A51..  what area of the US is on fire there?..  I am in the UK and we don't see the US news in depth at all  :-[ :-[

Do they have a root cause for the fires?

Cheers,

Fans'
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: A51Watcher on September 05, 2017, 02:43:06 pm

Fans - The cause of this fire (as usual) is lightning.

Unfortunately the fire now encompasses the entire Columbia River Gorge. Even worse the environmentalists have now convinced the governments of both Oregon and Washington not to put out forest fires anymore because previous policies have let fuel for these fires build up over the years and it would be better to let these fires 'run their course' so as to keep fuel levels low in the future.

The smoke in the city is now like when a building is on fire in your neighborhood and you can't even see a 1/4 mile.

There are a few pictures left in my thread (no thanks to photobucket's new owner facebook) about my vacations in the Gorge.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=5091.msg68799#msg68799 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=5091.msg68799#msg68799)

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=8358.msg115077#msg115077 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=8358.msg115077#msg115077)


It is sure to burn to the ground because there is always a strong wind in the Gorge.

That's one of the reasons they built a wind farm there.

(http://www.airphotona.com/stockimg/images/13252.jpg)

(http://16749-presscdn-0-94.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/20101009-224355-pic-119434743.jpg)

(https://gorgefriends.org/assets/images/issues/header_image/header/header_WHISTLING%20RIDGE_HEADER.jpg)

So bye bye Gorge, it's been nice knowin ya. 
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: space otter on September 05, 2017, 03:14:59 pm
  for  others not living  in the u.s.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/ash-falls-like-snow-in-seattle-as-wildfires-rage/

Ash falls like snow in Seattle as wildfires rage in Pacific Northwest
Originally published September 5, 2017 at 7:08 am Updated September 5, 2017 at 2:54 pm

1 of 12 pics at the link
(https://static.seattletimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/09052017_newi90smokeyCP_112437-750x507.jpg)



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https://gacc.nifc.gov/nwcc/information/firemap.aspx

Northwest Fire Locations

NWCC Public Information Blog
www.nwccinfo.blogspot.com

Fire Map Load Time
Due to high user traffic, the large fire map may load slower than normal and will be briefly unavailable during morning updates.

Fire Perimeter
To view the fire's current perimeter , zoom in on the flame icon.
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: A51Watcher on September 05, 2017, 04:27:52 pm

Great link sky, that photo gallery shows exactly what it looks like around here!

(https://static.seattletimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/09052017_wildfire_163846-780x520.jpg)


Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: A51Watcher on September 05, 2017, 04:31:00 pm
Update - local news is reporting one of several teenagers has been caught who started the fire by setting off fireworks while hiking.

 >:(

eta: One of the witnesses who turned them in said they were giggling and laughing about the fire they had started.

 >:(  >:(

Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: ArMaP on September 05, 2017, 05:12:44 pm
Update - local news is reporting one of several teenagers has been caught who started the fire by setting off fireworks while hiking.
I heard today on the radio that in Portugal the police has already arrested 120 people suspected of starting fires. There's always a few idiots that like to play with matches.
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: Irene on September 05, 2017, 05:17:14 pm
Update - local news is reporting one of several teenagers has been caught who started the fire by setting off fireworks while hiking.

 >:(

eta: One of the witnesses who turned them in said they were giggling and laughing about the fire they had started.

 >:( >:(

These lads should spend a few years in Cell Block #9, pumped full of smoke and heated to 120°F 24/7/365.
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: A51Watcher on September 05, 2017, 06:09:54 pm


The fire has now jumped the river so both sides of the Gorge are now burning.

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(http://image.oregonlive.com/home/olive-media/width960/img/wildfires/photo/columbia-river-gorge-fire-e7acdf16ab34d17e.jpg)

(http://static-11.sinclairstoryline.com/resources/media/c27d98ca-6167-4e62-8ecc-0c068f752adb-large16x9_EagleCreekFireacrossfromOneontaGorgePhotobyTristanFortsch.jpg)

(http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/shared/npr/styles/placed_wide/nprshared/201709/548682953.jpg)

(http://static-10.sinclairstoryline.com/resources/media/33c144e7-e378-4d3d-8cd5-84a4adf5c3d4-large16x9_EagleCreekFireBradHutchisoninStevensonWAviaBurst.jpg)

(http://static-32.sinclairstoryline.com/resources/media/77f5a4c6-91ee-4ee4-b9b8-c59544a57202-EagleCreekFirePhotobyTristanFortsch6.jpg)

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First responders now say the historic Multnomah Falls Lodge is surrounded by fire and they see no hope of saving it -

(https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_MEDIA/stelprd3823423.jpg)

(http://columbiariverimages.com/PennyPostcards/Images/PC_multnomah_falls_lodge_ca1920s.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DI-LjfEVAAAZtQg.jpg)

(http://cdn.instabuildsites.com/uploads/7cc77ef779b92d451f9718901f305ee8.jpg)

(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/09/e7/75/69/multnomah-falls-lodge.jpg)

(http://www.oregon.com/sites/default/files/fireplace.jpg)

(http://cdn.instabuildsites.com/uploads/c9602a688a20035e60df2684764ae2dd.jpg)

(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/09/e7/75/5f/multnomah-falls-lodge.jpg)

(http://columbiariverimages.com/Images05/multnomah_falls_lodge_christmas_gift_shop_2005.jpg)


 :-X



Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: Irene on September 05, 2017, 06:29:46 pm
 :'(
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: A51Watcher on September 05, 2017, 10:37:05 pm


So the witness that turned them in said the Kids were videotaping themselves throwing the fireworks and the fires they created.

Time for a selfie I guess. When approached and asked didn't they realize the danger of what they were doing?

One Einstein replied "Well whattaya expect us to do about it now huh?"

Which of course got a big laugh from the crew.

Was either 6 or 8 of them I forget, but 1/2 boys and 1/2 girls.


We are seeing what happens when humans are raised by X boxes instead of humans. 

Everything is a game with no consequences that every problem can be solved by pressing reset.

I have been rear ended twice in the last 2 years by kids that drive like it's a video game where texting is not a problem.

They think it's a driving game, while my car was totaled and I had to be in rehab for my arm and back for a year and a 1/2.

I hate to even think about how many houses gone and people dead when this is over.


I hope their little video selfie was worth it.

Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: A51Watcher on September 05, 2017, 10:59:44 pm

So Zone 1 for evacuation is now down to 257th ave.

I live on about 122nd ave.

Looks like I'll be up several times tonight checking the progress.


 
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: zorgon on September 06, 2017, 12:28:12 am
So Zone 1 for evacuation is now down to 257th ave.

I live on about 122nd ave.

Looks like I'll be up several times tonight checking the progress.

Well DAMN   be safe  Don't wait for the last minute to bug out...  :o

Geez I was going to move out there this year... one of the houses we were looking at just burned down   

That really sucks about the Gorge and landmark... 

Its all down California too... We have a War coming up in Oct Don't know yet if its still happening because we haven't had our check cashed yet  Need to call tomorrow

You take care and be safe... 
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: petrus4 on September 06, 2017, 02:09:03 am

So the witness that turned them in said the Kids were videotaping themselves throwing the fireworks and the fires they created.

Time for a selfie I guess. When approached and asked didn't they realize the danger of what they were doing?

One Einstein replied "Well whattaya expect us to do about it now huh?"

Which of course got a big laugh from the crew.

Was either 6 or 8 of them I forget, but 1/2 boys and 1/2 girls.


We are seeing what happens when humans are raised by X boxes instead of humans.

O bull of the Bharata race, in the Krita age, everything was free from deceit and guile and avarice and covetousness; and morality like a bull was among men, with all the four legs complete. In the Treta age sin took away one of these legs and morality had three legs. In the Dwapara, sin and morality are mixed half and half, and accordingly morality is said to have two legs only. In the dark age (of Kali), O thou best of the Bharata race, morality mixed with three parts of sin liveth by the side of men. Accordingly morality then is said to wait on men, with only a fourth part of itself remaining. Know, O Yudhishthira that the period of life, the energy, intellect and the physical strength of men decrease in every Yuga!

...

And the Brahmanas, speaking disrespectfully of the Vedas, will not practise vows, and their understanding clouded by the science of disputation, they will no longer perform sacrifices and the Homa. And deceived by the false science of reasons, they will direct their hearts towards everything mean and low. And men will till low lands for cultivation and employ cows and calves that are one year old, in drawing the plough and carrying burthens. And sons having slain their sire, and sires having slain their sons will incur no opprobrium. And they will frequently save themselves from anxiety by such deeds, and even glory in them.

And the whole world will be filled with Mleccha behaviour and notions and ceremonies and sacrifices will cease and joy will be nowhere and general rejoicing will disappear. And men will rob the possession of helpless persons of those that are friendless and of wisdom also. And, possessed of small energy and strength, without knowledge and given to avarice and folly and sinful practices men will accept with joy the gifts made by wicked people with words of contempt. And, O son of Kunti, the kings of the earth, with hearts wedded to sin without knowledge and always boastful of their wisdom, will challenge one another from desire of taking one another’s life.

And the Kshatriyas [monarchs, police, and soldiers] also towards the end of such a period will become the thorns of the earth. And filled with avarice and swelling with pride and vanity and unable and unwilling to protect (their subjects), they will take pleasure in inflicting punishments only. And attacking and repeating their attacks upon the good and the honest, and feeling no pity for the latter, even when they will cry in grief, the Kshatriyas will, O Bharata, rob these of their wives and wealth.


-- The Mahabharata.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cwi0pkhoSE

Welcome to the Age of Aquarius.  You won't enjoy your stay.
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: The Seeker on September 06, 2017, 02:36:14 am
So Zone 1 for evacuation is now down to 257th ave.

I live on about 122nd ave.

Looks like I'll be up several times tonight checking the progress.
Mike, get out of there, man, don't wait around to see  :o best be moving to a safe area quickly

I hope they find all those on that tape and make them pay for their actions for the rest of their lives...

and you are correct, we have 2 generations running amok that think everything is a video game  ::)
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: petrus4 on September 06, 2017, 02:57:19 am
and you are correct, we have 2 generations running amok that think everything is a video game  ::)

I don't think everything is, but I am about to go and play Super Double Dragon. 8)
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: space otter on September 06, 2017, 05:38:12 am


dang if you weren't the whole way across the states i would offer you space here..

get the puppy  and MOVE

if any of you guys are looking for safe territory  it is here where i am
approx 26 mile north east of pgh pa...fairly inexpensive housing also

MOVE Mike - be safe
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: space otter on September 06, 2017, 04:36:36 pm

Stay safe 51  this looks like it will be awhile before you can go home



1 of 27  pics at link

(http://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AArmdtT.img?h=522&w=874&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f)
THE EAGLE CREEK FIRE, OREGON
The Eagle Creek Fire, reported on Sept. 2 in the Columbia River Gorge National Scenic Area, burned 3,000 acres its first night. By the morning of Sept. 5, it had grown significantly and spread across the Columbia River into Washington near Archer Mountain. The fire is believed to be human-caused, but the specifics remain under investigation by the Oregon State Police.



http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/wildfires-sweep-across-us-west-slow-push-toward-portland/ar-AAroUTr?li=BBnb7Kz

Wildfires sweep across U.S. West, slow push toward Portland  Reuters
By Alex Dobuzinskis
1 hr ago

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PIER FIRE, CALIFORNIA
The Pier Fire in Colorado began on Aug. 29 and is suspected to have been human-caused. This image of the smoke from the fires was taken on Sept. 4.


An Oregon wildfire that has damaged landmarks in the scenic Columbia River Gorge slowed its push toward evacuated houses near the city of Portland on Wednesday, officials said.

As dozens of blazes raged across the U.S. West, the so-called Eagle Creek Fire near Portland merged late Tuesday with another blaze, the Indian Creek Fire. The two combined have charred 30,930 acres (12,520 hectares), officials said.

Heavy fire activity was expected to continue through September in much of the West, and through October in parts of the northern Rocky Mountains and California, the National Interagency Fire Center said, citing hot and dry weather conditions as the primary cause.

The Eagle Creek Fire, burning in the Columbia River Gorge, forced hundreds of people to evacuate homes earlier this week in communities east of Portland, including Warrendale, Dodson and Latourell, and sent ash falling on the city itself.

Eighty-one large wildfires covering more than 1.4 million acres (570,000 hectares) were burning in the western part of the United States Wednesday, a day after federal officials said 200 active duty military personnel would help fight the fires.

"It's very unusual to have this many fires burning this many acres across such a broad area at this time in September," National Interagency Fire Center spokeswoman Jennifer Jones said.

It is the first time in two years fire officials have turned to the U.S. Department of Defense for assistance, and at a time when the fire season would normally be winding down in many parts of the West.

The Oregon fire, now zero percent contained, has burned one home and four outbuildings, as well as damaging the historic Oneonta Tunnel and hiking trails, officials said.

But firefighters protected the historic Multnomah Falls Lodge and damage was not as bad in the gorge as feared.

"The gorge still looks like the gorge; it's not a wasteland," Oregon State Fire Marshal's Office spokesman Damon Simmons told reporters.

A 15-year-old boy is believed to have started the blaze by lighting fireworks, but the investigation continues and the teen has not been charged, Oregon State Police said.

Authorities said they were seeking to determine when they can lift evacuation orders near Portland.

Montana is battling 28 large fires, the most of any state.

One of those, the Caribou Fire northwest of Eureka, has destroyed 10 homes and forced the evacuation of hundreds of people, said fire information officer Don Simon. It was 10 percent contained.


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PAYETTE WILDERNESS FIRES, IDAHO
The Highline Fire is the largest of the fires at 6,295 acres burning in the Payette Wilderness of Idaho, on July 31.

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several vids at link

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/rescue-effort-underway-for-hikers-trapped-by-eagle-creek-fire/470354816

TROUTDALE, Ore. -- The Eagle Creek wildfire that has forced hundreds of evacuations and closed miles of Interstate 84 east of Portland is at 32,929 acres and is 0 percent contained, said Lt. Damon Simmons, a spokesman with Portland Fire & Rescue.

The increase in acreage -- the fire had been estimated at 20,000 acres Tuesday night -- is more of a correction than an indication that the fire has grown, Simmons said during a Wednesday morning news conference. An infrared flight was able to go over the fire, which gave officials more exact numbers.

The Eagle Creek Fire and nearby 1,000-acre Indian Creek Fire have combined, but Simmons said the fire didn't make a hard push in any direction Tuesday. On Tuesday night, the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office said fire officials "are indicating that the fire has slowed way down for now."

The last new evacuation order was issued early Tuesday afternoon. In addition to the evacuations in Multnomah County, Hood River County has closed all forest land for recreational use.

About 600 emergency personnel are fighting the Eagle Creek wildfire. Crews have been focusing on containing the fire, improving fire lines and increasing space around structures.

The historic Multnomah Falls Lodge, built in 1925, has been threatened by the fire, but structural firefighters have worked to keep the fire away from it. Several structural engines and one aerial ladders truck have been working with water tenders to keep the lodge wetted down.

The western edge of the fire had not advanced as far as originally thought, Simmons said. It is currently about a half-mile south of Interstate 84.

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KGW meteorologist Rod Hill said Wednesday morning that light west winds in the gorge should help stop the flow of wildfire smoke into Portland. And he said the winds should calm down for firefighters battling the Eagle Creek blaze through Wednesday afternoon. But gusty winds could pick back up again late Wednesday.

Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: Shasta56 on September 06, 2017, 05:03:21 pm
The haze is at least as far east and south, as Tulsa, Oklahoma.  It got progressively hazier as we drove home to the Denver area Monday.  The haze made the sunset in Tulsa, Sunday, extra red.  I was trying to explain the whole thing to my middle granddaughter.  The conversation ended with me saying, "It's not a different planet, Shannet."  My writes bad poetry when I'm tired.  Anyway, please stay safe, peeps.

Shasta
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: A51Watcher on September 06, 2017, 06:18:49 pm
So... last night the fire crept as far north as Crown Point -

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Crown_Point_Oregon.jpg)

However The Fates were with us as mild counter winds entered the picture and while not pushing the fire back from whence it came, it was enough to hold it in place and not advance.

This gave fire crews a chance to work and also fire engines to thoroughly douse the Multnomah Falls Lodge and responders are now much more optimistic about it's chances for now.

A State Trooper drove down the closed freeway this morning and reported that the damage is not as severe as we all suspected from the previous nights pictures. A few black spots yes, but the Gorge is not burned to the ground as we all suspected it would be.

The 15 year old suspect (with the smart mouth) has been apprehended along with all the other kids thanks to their selfie video.

I bet they're not laughing now.

Forecast for tomorrow is for continued winds in the right direction along with some possible thunderstorms and a slight shower.

We're all crossing our fingers for the Fates to stay with us.   

The evacuation line has not moved so I am still holding tight here at home.

Remember I have experience dodging hot situations.  ;)


Many thanks for the kind words and thoughts.


Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: A51Watcher on September 06, 2017, 07:42:31 pm
The haze is at least as far east and south, as Tulsa, Oklahoma.  It got progressively hazier as we drove home to the Denver area Monday.  The haze made the sunset in Tulsa, Sunday, extra red.  I was trying to explain the whole thing to my middle granddaughter.  The conversation ended with me saying, "It's not a different planet, Shannet."  My writes bad poetry when I'm tired.  Anyway, please stay safe, peeps.

Shasta

Wow Shasta that is amazing!

Try not to breathe it!



 
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: Shasta56 on September 07, 2017, 05:17:10 am
The last time it was this bad in Denver, was 2002, with the Hayman Fire.  That was local, and was also arson.  It was ignited by a forestry service technician. 

Shasta
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: A51Watcher on September 07, 2017, 08:16:16 pm

The winds we have been hoping for have arrived, and are pushing the fire back to whence it came!

MFL still in good shape and not burned!

It's not over yet by any means but our chances have greatly improved from the complete disaster we were headed for.

8)


 
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: Shasta56 on September 08, 2017, 10:14:37 am
Every little piece of good news helps. 
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: A51Watcher on September 08, 2017, 02:14:20 pm
Every little piece of good news helps.

Indeed.

"The Eagle Creek wildfire stands at 7 percent contained as of early Friday.

A combination of high humidity, moderate temperatures, very light rain and eastward-blowing wind are expected to help firefighting efforts through the weekend.

As of Thursday, the fire had grown by a couple of thousand acres in the Columbia River Gorge, torched a total of three homes in the rural Dodson area and remains the No. 1 wildfire in the nation.

Images that emerged Thursday showed charred trails and attractions.

"There are definitely areas that will look very different," said Lt. Damon Simmons, a spokesman for the Oregon State Fire Marshal.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbeHtcXs9yE

http://www.oregonlive.com/wildfires/index.ssf/2017/09/live_updates_firefighters_gain.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/wildfires/index.ssf/2017/09/live_updates_firefighters_gain.html)




Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: The Seeker on September 08, 2017, 06:15:34 pm
A51, may the winds blow steady from the west, and the heavens open up with a steady, prolonged rain for you  8)

wild fires are one of the most terrifying events to deal with, especially on the scale you are having  8)
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: Shasta56 on September 08, 2017, 06:18:39 pm
Denver still has a lot of haze.  We need some wind to clear it out.  Sometimes I think we should just hire people to wave huge fans to get some air moving.  Like those guys in the old movies, that wore turbans and fanned the local royalty with palm fronds.

Shasta
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: A51Watcher on September 08, 2017, 06:47:25 pm
Thanks folks!  8)


Ok I fixed the previous video link.

And here's some footage of the battle in progress -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4PKbjqXT7c



Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: A51Watcher on September 08, 2017, 07:17:41 pm


Lot of people obviously have the fear of god in them on this one, but a collection of some of the best footage -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08MhIKM9zmU



Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: astr0144 on September 08, 2017, 08:48:13 pm
I had a quick browse the other day and noted some of the fire images, but I had no idea that the fire was so close to you A51 until I just read the thread further now .

How terrifying !  and how sad in the way it started.

as well as it being in such a amazing scenic area.

I dont know if I have ever seen  images on such a scale of intensity before of fires. Some of the images posted really help clarify things in detail of its perpective and are quite concerning... The Smoke smog ones descibes parts of the area in terms of how things are amazingly..

Just hope that the rains arrive or winds change and it burns itself out ASAP...

Its sad if the authorities cannot act to try to help towards shortening its life..

May the Gods / E.Ts be with you and help preserve your house.

But prepare to leave if need be , as I am sure you will do..in another of your great escapes... ???

How remarkable and luckily that "Z" did not move to that house he described burned down...Maybe because D.T got in instead of Hilary !

seems to be a lot of disasters around this last month or so..

with Fires , Hurricanes, and unusual weather and whatever else.

Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: ArMaP on September 09, 2017, 07:03:56 am
But prepare to leave if need be , as I am sure you will do..in another of your great escapes... ???
Sometimes, leaving is the problem. In the big fire we had in Portugal a couple of months ago in which several people died, almost all of the dead were caught while driving down a road they thought was a way of escaping. In one case, a family had just got out of a family member's house and tried to convince her to go with them, to which she answered that she knew the place and the house and felt safer there. She survived, all the people that were in the car died.
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: petrus4 on September 09, 2017, 08:33:08 am
Sometimes, leaving is the problem. In the big fire we had in Portugal a couple of months ago in which several people died, almost all of the dead were caught while driving down a road they thought was a way of escaping.

The question of whether to bug out or stay at home is to Survivalism, as the question of the needs of the many vs. the needs of the few is to Star Trek.  It's one of the central issues.

There is no easy answer.  Each situation needs to be assessed on an individual basis, and it's most likely going to be a gamble either way.  If you leave at the time of a disaster, you'll likely be faced with looters, roadblocks, and other chaos; but if you stay at home, you run the risk of your home being burned down or destroyed, and yourself along with it.

My own attitude towards bugging out is, if you're going to do it, you need to do it early, and you ideally need to do it to a remote and quiet property which you've designed yourself, more or less from scratch; and that is not going to be an easy thing to afford.  Reinforced, fireproof concrete walls, ideally with triangular braces on the sides to give a hurricane a means of going over the building rather than just destroying it, and a nice, deep, well-fortified basement.  Ideally you're also going to want a double front door with a heavily reinforced frame and multiple reinforced hinges; paranoia is to a survivalist what technicality is to a lawyer.

"The first question in life is always, what would Kyle Reese do?  The first answer is always, barricade the door!"

(http://assets2.ignimgs.com/2014/12/09/terminator-kyle-reese-1280jpg-87751d_1280w.jpg)

Once a disaster is already in play, however, you're most likely going to be better off staying put.  If you have a rental property, your structural situation probably isn't going to be ideal, but as long as you're well supplied and looters aren't an issue, you will probably have a chance.  Reddit's /r/preppers has had threads from several people who survived Harvey.
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: astr0144 on September 09, 2017, 10:20:03 am
Very sad story for those who were caught in the fire while trying to escape by Car/Road...and it was lucky for the person who chanced to remain....

For those not alert or familiar / aware.. I surpose its all very easily to misjudge such situations...either acting with enough time to get out... and taking ones family into consideration... young children and older persons..

I surpose ArMaP...the safest bet if possible  is to try and get out ASAP if thats possible in the opposite direction of the fire unless there are fires in various directions..

Otherwise it maybe as Petrus suggests... down to fate and luck.

or if is knowledgable enough from research and experience... they may know what their chances are if they are able to remain housebound and have say a Celler below the house or something that will not ignite and somehow that they could block out the smoke in the worst case situation should their house burn down..

But maybe thinking about it more.... getting out ASAP is the safest bet..  provided people have somewhere else to go and money or transport to do so..

There will be some people who may not have what is needed to get out...even though you would think all should be able to leave an area if they should do so..





Sometimes, leaving is the problem. In the big fire we had in Portugal a couple of months ago in which several people died, almost all of the dead were caught while driving down a road they thought was a way of escaping. In one case, a family had just got out of a family member's house and tried to convince her to go with them, to which she answered that she knew the place and the house and felt safer there. She survived, all the people that were in the car died.
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: astr0144 on September 11, 2017, 09:39:12 am
Anyone heard from A51, ?

I PMd him yesterday but so far had no reply..

One wonders if he may have had to attempt to move out of the area.

Hes not been active on the Forum since Sept 8th... 3 days ago..

I was wondering if "Zs" had to go to try to the aid of someone, if not for the Fire, in ref to Hurricane Iram.

Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: A51Watcher on September 11, 2017, 04:06:08 pm


Just still manning the barricades, but still slowly improving.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/rescue-effort-underway-for-hikers-trapped-by-eagle-creek-fire/470354816 (http://www.kgw.com/news/local/rescue-effort-underway-for-hikers-trapped-by-eagle-creek-fire/470354816)


Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: astr0144 on September 11, 2017, 04:10:40 pm
Thanks for informing us your still ok A51,

Was concerned that the ref to the article you posted may had related similarly to you..

Hope it dies down like they suggest Irma has been doing..



Just still manning the barricades, but still slowly improving.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/rescue-effort-underway-for-hikers-trapped-by-eagle-creek-fire/470354816 (http://www.kgw.com/news/local/rescue-effort-underway-for-hikers-trapped-by-eagle-creek-fire/470354816)
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: zorgon on September 11, 2017, 04:27:58 pm
Just still manning the barricades, but still slowly improving.

Great news that your still okay....

I heard from a friend that one of the houses we were looking at buying to move to Oregon was one that burnt down. It was a larger property, house needed work.  But I had never considered wild fires

I hope the environmentalists now realize that controlled back burns are necessary  but far too late

Just be safe..
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: zorgon on September 11, 2017, 04:57:27 pm
Sometimes, leaving is the problem. In the big fire we had in Portugal a couple of months ago in which several people died, almost all of the dead were caught while driving down a road they thought was a way of escaping. In one case, a family had just got out of a family member's house and tried to convince her to go with them, to which she answered that she knew the place and the house and felt safer there. She survived, all the people that were in the car died.

Yeah I thought we had a thread on that fire...?

It's hard to leave  because everything you own is in that house... 

One thing I have noticed on facebook is that so many people are screaming false flag and don't listen to authority that its giving really BAD advise and people are listening to it

Just watch the comments on the live news feeds  Have people really become that insane in this timeline?  The jokes and callousness is astounding  and then to hear that kids are setting some of these fires and laughing about it.

It seems more people will stand by and watch an assault or death so they can record it on video and tweet it, but won't use the phone to call for help

Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: petrus4 on September 13, 2017, 04:13:12 pm
It's hard to leave  because everything you own is in that house...

Having to evacuate two consecutive places of residence in minutes, has cured me of caring about possessions.  My philosophy now is that my body is literally the only thing I can't replace.  I do have a library of files on my current hard drive, the music section of which I have been able to keep continually since the late 90s; and truthfully I would be very sad to lose that; but I'd be able to survive it.
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: Somamech on September 14, 2017, 11:52:54 am
Yeah I thought we had a thread on that fire...?

It's hard to leave  because everything you own is in that house... 

One thing I have noticed on facebook is that so many people are screaming false flag and don't listen to authority that its giving really BAD advise and people are listening to it

Just watch the comments on the live news feeds  Have people really become that insane in this timeline?  The jokes and callousness is astounding  and then to hear that kids are setting some of these fires and laughing about it.

It seems more people will stand by and watch an assault or death so they can record it on video and tweet it, but won't use the phone to call for help

This website is about as social as I am, and in saying so I won't pretend that I don't look over some twitter feeds.  I saw a great one during IRMA stating how everyone has become FEMA experts and Flood Emergency Managers. 

You know whats worse than people caring... People who won't get their freaking car out of the way of an emergency vehicle.  I see this occurring often now in Melbourne as a cyclist of 16 years.  Tonight there was a Fire Truck with all the bells and whistle's coming down the street and two people thought they can still complete their right hand turn whilst the firetruck was coming into their lane.  I guess these are also the sortas people who are more than happy to whinge about their house burning down and how bad emergency services are.   

Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: Irene on September 14, 2017, 04:01:39 pm
This website is about as social as I am, and in saying so I won't pretend that I don't look over some twitter feeds.  I saw a great one during IRMA stating how everyone has become FEMA experts and Flood Emergency Managers. 

You know whats worse than people caring... People who won't get their freaking car out of the way of an emergency vehicle. I see this occurring often now in Melbourne as a cyclist of 16 years.  Tonight there was a Fire Truck with all the bells and whistle's coming down the street and two people thought they can still complete their right hand turn whilst the firetruck was coming into their lane.  I guess these are also the sortas people who are more than happy to whinge about their house burning down and how bad emergency services are.

I agree. It's also a problem here in the US.

Sometimes people are oblivious, read elderly. Sometimes they're just assholes.

I'm seeing the same kind of thing with school buses. People will stomp on the gas to avoid stopping or even just continue on their merry way.
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: petrus4 on September 14, 2017, 05:17:27 pm
I'm seeing the same kind of thing with school buses. People will stomp on the gas to avoid stopping or even just continue on their merry way.

We're going further and further into Aquarius, now; a good name for it might be the Age of Inhumanity.  Pisces was about compassion and concern for others, but we are leaving that behind.

If I had a time machine, the future is not where I'd go.
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: A51Watcher on September 16, 2017, 07:44:53 pm


Rain due to start late tomorrow, then rain or showers for the next 5 days.  :D

I'll be very glad to see the  smoke and ashes go.



Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: A51Watcher on September 17, 2017, 03:05:18 pm


"And so... the gentle rains have begun."


Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: The Seeker on September 17, 2017, 05:37:13 pm

"And so... the gentle rains have begun."
May the rains fall gentle but steady, heavy enough and sufficient to quench the fires without causing mud slides or land slips

 8)
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: astr0144 on September 17, 2017, 09:53:42 pm
Good News....The need for water to quench the Fire arrived upon request to the Gods / ETs !  :)



"And so... the gentle rains have begun."
Title: Re: Forest fires in the NW
Post by: A51Watcher on September 18, 2017, 01:56:11 pm


Live right now. Light west winds with light steady rain right where we need it along 84 -

https://weather.com/weather/radar/interactive/l/USOR0275:1:US?&zoom=7